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Title: No, The American Founders Were Not Libertarians
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URL Source: http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/02 ... can-founders-not-libertarians/
Published: May 2, 2017
Author: Jonathan Ashbach
Post Date: 2018-01-25 08:43:41 by A K A Stone
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Libertarians are still trying to claim the American Founding as theirs. One occasionally hears the argument that the principles of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are libertarian. One of the most recent instances of this claim resides in Nikolai Wenzel’s first-rate defense of libertarianism in “Selfish Libertarians and Socialist Conservatives?” (Stanford: 2017). Yet a closer look at the Founders’ thought about government makes clear that it was anything but libertarian.

Wenzel notes there are different types of libertarianism. He clarifies that “unless I specify otherwise, I will use the term libertarian to mean minarchy.” Minarchist libertarianism holds that government exists only to protect individuals’ rights. “A libertarian government is forbidden from doing almost everything,” Wenzel states. “In fact, a libertarian government is empowered to do only one thing: defend individual rights.”

Wenzel’s argument for a libertarian Founding rests largely on the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Indeed, his claims do seem superficially persuasive.

The Constitution limits the federal government to the exercise of a few specific powers. Surely, this is a classic instance of libertarian philosophy limiting the sphere of government, is it not? As Wenzel argues, “By and large, the enumerated powers granted to the federal government under Article I, section 8, are in line with libertarian philosophy.” He recognizes that elements of the Constitution violate libertarian principles, but his overall evaluation is that “The U.S. Constitution was largely a libertarian document.”

The Declaration, argues Wenzel, is more explicitly libertarian. It declares that all possess natural rights and that governments are created to protect those rights. “There, then,” says Wenzel, “is the political philosophy of the Declaration: The purpose of government is to protect rights. Period.” He calls this “a minimalist philosophy with which any libertarian would agree.”

The Fatal Flaw: A Different Understanding of Rights So far, all of this sounds quite convincing, but there is a fatal flaw in Wenzel’s argument. Both libertarians and the American Founders describe the purpose of government as the protection of rights. But by “rights” they mean two very different things.

For Wenzel, respecting others’ rights simply means refraining from coercion. The state exists only to protect rights, and therefore, “the state itself may not engage in any coercion, except to prevent coercion.” He argues that participants in immoral trades, such as “The drug pusher, the prostitute, and the pornographer,” do not violate others’ rights “as long as they do not coercively impose their wares on others.” Nor does the polygamist.

Wenzel’s coauthor Nathan Schlueter points out the problem with this position: “Libertarianism essentially denies that…moral harms exist and maintains that the only real injustice is coercion. Accordingly, it promotes a legal regime in which some individuals are legally entitled to harm others in noncoercive ways.” Wenzel assumes that only coercion violates rights. The Founders profoundly disagreed.

A Second Look at the Founding Creed Think again about the alleged libertarianism of the Founding documents. Wenzel makes a common mistake in assuming that the limitation of the national government to a few specific enumerated powers reflects libertarian belief. But this limitation has nothing to do with libertarianism. It has everything to do with federalism.

The federal government was only created to fulfill certain limited, particular purposes. It was not created to do everything the Founders believed government should do. Most of those functions—and, on the whole, those less compatible with libertarianism—were entrusted to the states. The fact that the enumerated powers of the federal government are largely consistent with libertarianism does not mean the Founders were libertarians. It means nothing at all, in fact. It is a conclusion based on only half the data.

Actually, the enumeration of federal powers is more an accident of history than anything else. James Madison’s original proposal was that the national government simply possess blanket authority “to legislate in all cases to which the separate States are incompetent.” The Constitutional Convention ultimately chose to list its powers, believing this was less liable to abuse, but this decision was by no means dictated by the Founders’ beliefs about government.

As for the Declaration, it does not say that government exists only to protect individuals’ life, liberty, and property. A libertarian right to be free of coercion is not intended here. Instead, the Declaration states that life and liberty are included “among” the natural rights of mankind, as is something else referred to as “the pursuit of happiness.” The right to happiness was not simply sweet-sounding rhetoric. It was the centerpiece of the Founders’ political theory.

Government for the Common Good The Founders’ political theory was not libertarian, because they believed that the preeminent human right was happiness. The Massachusetts Constitution of 1780, for example, states: “All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness” (emphases added).

As the language makes clear, the rights of man could be expressed as a list of rights that includes life, liberty, and property. But the great right that encompassed all others was the right to pursue (or even obtain!) happiness. Assertions of this right to happiness appear in many Founding-Era writings, including other state constitutions.

The purpose of government, in turn, was to help people achieve happiness by promoting their good. Delegate to the Constitutional Convention James Wilson wrote one of the most thorough expositions of the Founding philosophy—his famous “Lectures on Law.” In them, he explains that the purpose of government is to promote the well-being of those subject to it: “Whatever promotes the greatest happiness of the whole,” that is what government should do.

Once again, this sort of talk is commonplace. Twelve of the 13 original states adopted a constitution in the Founding Era. Every one of these states described the purpose of government as promoting the well-being of citizens. The New Hampshire constitution of 1784 is typical, holding that “all government…is…instituted for the general good.”

What Conservative Governance Means Because the general good includes the moral good, this meant discouraging immoral behavior. Wenzel speaks of voluntary drug and sexual matters as beyond the purview of a libertarian government. But such laws were universal in early America.

Thus Mark Kann writes in “Taming Passion for the Public Good” that “the state’s right to regulate sexual practices…was undisputed” in early America, and Wilson notes bigamy, prostitution, and indecency as offenses subject to punishment on Founding political theory. Similarly, in “Federalist” 12, Alexander Hamilton cites the beneficial impact on morals as a justification for federal taxation of alcoholic imports.

The Founders used government to discourage other noncoercive activities, as well. In 1778, Congress recommended to the states “suppressing theatrical entertainments, horse-racing, gambling, and such other diversions as are productive of idleness, dissipation, and a general depravity of principles and manners.” In his book, “The People’s Welfare,” William Novak details the extensive regulation of everything from lotteries and usury to Sunday travel, coarse language, and poor relief that was the norm during the Founding Era.

The American Founders believed that government exists to protect rights, just as libertarians do. But their understanding of rights was radically different from the libertarian understanding. Libertarians like Wenzel believe that protecting rights means prohibiting coercion. The Founders believed that protecting rights meant seeking the moral and material well- being of society. The American Founding was conservative, not libertarian. Libertarians will have to look elsewhere to support their beliefs.

Jonathan Ashbach is a PhD student in politics at Hillsdale College. Jonathan has worked in the hospitality industry and as assistant editor for the Humboldt Economic Index. His work has also been published on Patheos and Christianity Today.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Jonathan has worked in the hospitality industry and as assistant editor for the Humboldt Economic Index. His work has also been published on Patheos and Christianity Today.

Ah, so he's a former night clerk who spent his spare time wiping up loads in some roach motel and who is now trying to become a Hillsdale theocon.

The Founders were most certainly libertarians. But they had an Enlightenment ideal of liberty. To them, liberty meant freedom from a distant tyrant ruling their lives. It meant a Bill of Rights that guaranteed liberty from any central government that did anything more than keep up a few trade roads and bridges and some common defense against the machinations of England/France/Spain to reclaim this continent for themselves.

Nearly all the coinage of the era bore the image of Lady Liberty (mere pols were not allowed on coins). The French gave us the Statue of Liberty because that was considered the hallmark of the American Revolution.

At the very least, the Deists of the Founding era were much closer to modern libertarians than to the theocons of Hillsdale. And most of the Founders would not be allowed to attend Hillsdale if they were alive today. Not religious enough.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-25   8:57:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

The Founders were most certainly libertarians.

You're not that dumb are you?

Libertarian means amoral.

They were not libertarians. That is a silly notion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-25   9:39:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Libertarian means amoral.

Such an ignorant statement.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-01-25   12:49:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Hank Rearden (#10)

Libertarian means amoral.
Such an ignorant statement.

Amoral, not immoral. And Libertarianism IS amoral.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-25   13:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#13)

Thank you misterwhite. They certainly are amoral.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-25   13:03:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite, Hank Rearden (#14) (Edited)

Thank you misterwhite. They certainly are amoral.

I begin to think you don't grasp the difference between amoral and immoral.

You keep saying 'amoral' when you seem to intend 'immoral'.

Oxford Concise Dictionary:

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Immoral means ‘failing to adhere to moral standards.’ Amoral is a more neutral, impartial word meaning ‘without, or not concerned with, moral standards.’ An immoral person commits acts that violate society's moral norms. An amoral person has no understanding of these norms, or no sense of right and wrong. Amoral may also mean ‘not concerned with, or outside the scope of morality’ (following the pattern of apolitical, asexual). Amoral, then, may refer to a judicial ruling that is concerned only with narrow legal or financial issues. Whereas amoral may be simply descriptive, immoral is judgmental.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-25   13:36:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#16)

You keep saying 'amoral' when you seem to intend 'immoral'.

Libertarians take no moral position on abortion, gambling, prostitution, porn, suicide, or age of consent. They simply say the government should not be involved in those areas.

To me, that's an amoral position. By definition.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-25   13:47:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

Libertarians take no moral position on abortion, gambling, prostitution, porn, suicide, or age of consent. They simply say the government should not be involved in those areas.

To me, that's an amoral position. By definition.

That isn't universal because thee are, for instance, libertarians that are very pro-life. Perhaps a majority of Libertarian Party members are still pro-life (though the leadership is not). But there are many kinds of libertarians and they emphasize different aspects of libertarian philosophy. For instance, a majority of libertarians embrace the Non-Aggression Principle. These are essentially pacifists who do believe in a right to self-defense, the so-called natural-rights libertarians. But that is just one flavor of libertarian.

You also have the Objectivists, people who advocate for Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy. You have anarcho-capitalists. And Left-libertarians. And lots of others.

The libertarians are by no means a monolithic group. They're a herd of cats.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-25   13:55:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative (#19)

"The libertarians are by no means a monolithic group."

Yet you felt comfortable characterizing the Founders as Libertarians.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-25   14:48:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#27)

"The libertarians are by no means a monolithic group."

Yet you felt comfortable characterizing the Founders as Libertarians.

What do you think your point is? The Founders themselves were far from being a monolithic group. Look how quickly the Federalist and Antifederalist factions squared up to fight it out politically. Many of the Founders were quite concerned to prevent other Founders from taking the country in a particular direction.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-25   16:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tooconservative (#39)

The Founders themselves were far from being a monolithic group.

Yes. And today we might label some as liberals and some as conservatives, yet you you you chose to label all of them "Libertarians With Exceptions".

Why not "Conservatives With Exceptions"?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-26   10:14:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite (#51)

Why not "Conservatives With Exceptions"?

The conservatives of the era were all royalist Tories. And back then, some of them actually would pack up and move out of the country. Many moved to Toronto. Which we then burned (retaliation for burning D.C.).

The Founders were the biggest radicals of their era. Only the later French Revolution (Reign of Terror) was more radical until you get to the many revolutions around 1850 when the power of Europe's monarchs were finally broken, in large part because of America's ongoing "bad example".

The Founders were not conservatives. They were fairly radical Englishmen living in English colonies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   10:22:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)

The conservatives of the era were all royalist Tories.

Got it. The conservatives were a monolithic group. Probably the liberals, too.

Only Libertarians can claim not to be monolithic.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-26   11:05:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: misterwhite (#54) (Edited)

Got it. The conservatives were a monolithic group. Probably the liberals, too.

None of them are actually monolithic but some come closer. Republicans in Blue states are nowhere close to conservatives from the Bible Belt. Similarly, the liberal-Left Xlinton faction of the Dems (probably still a voting majority) is much more numerous than the noisier Bernie Bros Bolsheviki.

And libertarians are a mixed bag too. So were the Founders.

That was kinda the point I was making.

I'll repeat my point: the Founders were far and away the most radical political thinkers of the entire Enlightenment era. And their republic endures today, well over two centuries later, something you can't say for other democratic countries (excepting Britain). The others all fell into dictatorship or conquest at one point or another or they are far younger governments than ours is. Our relative isolation helped but our political system, despite its many flaws, is more resilient than the parliamentary democracies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   11:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Tooconservative (#55)

The others all fell into dictatorship or conquest at one point or another or they are far younger governments than ours is.

Your point is more valid that you even know.

The oldest continuous democratic government in the world is the government of the State of Massachusetts. The second oldest is the government of the State of Connecticut.

Virginia would be the oldest, dating back to 1619, but it's continuity was interrupted by the military occupation in 1865.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   14:28:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13 (#61)

The oldest continuous democratic government in the world is the government of the State of Massachusetts. The second oldest is the government of the State of Connecticut.

I did know about Massachusetts (darn them). Didn't know that CT was #2 though.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   15:24:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Tooconservative (#64)

I did know about Massachusetts (darn them). Didn't know that CT was #2 though.

And CT has the distinction of having the oldest WRITTEN constitution (hence the "Constitution State" on the quarter).

Massachusetts Bay Colony (and the Massachusetts diaspora (specifically, CT, which was settled by Puritans who left Boston in 1637 because they found it too LIBERAL. LOL!)) also had the first universal public school system in the world. All the way back in the 1620s they were teaching every boy and girl to read, because everybody had to be able to read the Bible.

Those "embattled farmers" who stood at Lexington Bridge and "fired the shot heard round the world" were actually, as a group, probably the best-educated people in the world. The men in fancy red uniforms facing them were mostly illiterate. That "rabble" had as much formal education as the English Parliamentarians. The whole population did.

This is something that ought to be noted, and that definitely contributed to American victory, though it is rarely commented upon. The British Army marching through the American colonies, and their Prussian allies, were the functional equivalent of a bunch of Kongo illiterates marching around in modern America, trying to control the population. The same was true when British warships were engaging the American ships.

The British soldier and seaman was an illiterate ignoramus. Every farm that he marched past in New England had a family in it as well-educated as the nobility of England or France. There was no comparison. The highest concentration of human brainpower on the planet in 1776 was the "rustic" population of New England.

When in 1777 the English marched their army under "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne, and they were surrounded at Saratoga by New England and New York Minuteman farmers, it was an army of well-armed illiterates who NEEDED officers to guide them, versus a "rustic" army of fully literate men who were able to communicate with each other and back home, etc., in writing. The Redcoats were actually the Rubes. New England was, in fact, a FAR more educated people than London or Paris. It wasn't even close.

One of the reasons that the American Revolution was able to stay on the rails of reason, while the French - and later the Russian - revolutions went berserk and animal - is because the Americans were an advanced, literate population, at least North of the Mason-Dixon line. The French peasants and Russian proles were neither, and were carried along much more easily by mob passions.

The point: the English were more poorly educated and intellectually inferior to their American adversaries. They were incapable of independent action, and limited by the abilities of their officers. And it showed both in the development of American government FROM THE BEGINNING (in the 1620s) all the way forward. America, at least New England, was the far more educated place in 1776 than England. The English in England were very much like the South: they had an educated and elite gentry, but the average Englishman was as dumb as dirt.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   16:50:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Vicomte13, tpaine (#65)

And CT has the distinction of having the oldest WRITTEN constitution (hence the "Constitution State" on the quarter).

Writing, piffle. It seems obvious you're cleverly trying to sidestep the (initially) unwritten Iroquois constitution which predated our own by a few centuries. I thought it odd you omitted it.

NYSlimes: IROQUOIS CONSTITUTION: A FORERUNNER TO COLONISTS' DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES, 6/28/87

Massachusetts Bay Colony (and the Massachusetts diaspora (specifically, CT, which was settled by Puritans who left Boston in 1637 because they found it too LIBERAL. LOL!)) also had the first universal public school system in the world. All the way back in the 1620s they were teaching every boy and girl to read, because everybody had to be able to read the Bible.

That same impluse operated as America spread west and the American Sunday School Union similarly promoted universal literacy across the plains and mountains. Unsung heroes, really. But they had the example of Massachusetts to consider. There was a time when MA really was the universally recognized as a thought leader to the entire country, the indispensable state. Now I suppose people would argue that it is NYC or LA. But no one would mention Boston unless they're one of those asshole Patriots fans (which I am).

Those "embattled farmers" who stood at Lexington Bridge and "fired the shot heard round the world" were actually, as a group, probably the best-educated people in the world. The men in fancy red uniforms facing them were mostly illiterate. That "rabble" had as much formal education as the English Parliamentarians. The whole population did.

While their literacy was remarkable for a colony, there were areas of high literacy in Europe and in Britain. I don't think your argument holds up.

When in 1777 the English marched their army under "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne, and they were surrounded at Saratoga by New England and New York Minuteman farmers, it was an army of well-armed illiterates who NEEDED officers to guide them, versus a "rustic" army of fully literate men who were able to communicate with each other and back home, etc., in writing. The Redcoats were actually the Rubes. New England was, in fact, a FAR more educated people than London or Paris. It wasn't even close.

It didn't take that much education to know that it was easier and safer to hide behind trees and play sniper to terrorize the Redcoats and reduce their numbers. The Brit officers complained bitterly about those dishonorable rebels. Those darned colonists refused to follow the European code of honor for soldiers where the two armies were expected to dutifully line up in the open wearing colorful livery and allow the enemy to take clean shots at them with flintlocks and cannon shot. Anything else was cowardice.

That little tradition cost the Brits very dearly. I don't think they ever recovered their morale. You'll recall how much our own military complains about some wily natives resisting our "visits" to their countries and using guerilla tactics against us, resulting in our rather dismal counter-insurgency campaigns. During the Revolution, we were the wily natives with no regard for the honorable traditions of European war. Of course, we would have lost immediately if we had made war according to the customs of the Old World.

One of the reasons that the American Revolution was able to stay on the rails of reason, while the French - and later the Russian - revolutions went berserk and animal - is because the Americans were an advanced, literate population, at least North of the Mason-Dixon line. The French peasants and Russian proles were neither, and were carried along much more easily by mob passions.

You are definitely hitting the nail on the head. Hence the remarks of our Founders that our nation can only exist for long with an informed and educated electorate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   17:37:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Tooconservative (#66)

It seems obvious you're cleverly trying to sidestep the (initially) unwritten Iroquois constitution which predated our own by a few centuries. I thought it odd you omitted it.

The Americans were not the first ones to come up with the idea of a voting council of leaders. Scandinavia mostly had that. So did the Indians. In fact, pretty much everywhere that there are primitive people it starts that way. But once populations get big, through land ownership and greater and lesser wealth, those systems become traditional, while real power reposes with rich houses - who become the nobility.

OR the tribe is in an "exciting" location and faces violence from other tribes. Then, the trauma of war creates a warrior caste, and if they are victorious, THEY become the nobility.

Sparta had its council, of course, but in the end it was dominated by military captains. Rome marched to war under the banner of SPQR - Senatus Populusque Romani - The Senate and People of Rome - who, by the end, where the two least significant parts of the whole imperial system.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   19:17:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Vicomte13 (#67)

Rome marched to war under the banner of SPQR - Senatus Populusque Romani - The Senate and People of Rome - who, by the end, where the two least significant parts of the whole imperial system.

The end of republics is typically that the voice of the people becomes the voice of The Person. In other words, things drift toward demanding to be ruled by a tyrant.

We're not immune. The presidency is already far too powerful.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   19:33:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13 (#68)

The end of republics is typically that the voice of the people becomes the voice of The Person. In other words, things drift toward demanding to be ruled by a tyrant.

First, its should be noted that America has always been unique among Republics in all of history.

THE "voice" of the American Republic was as unified a nation was ever going to be given its commonality of faith, culture, and Western-European heritage.

The genesis and facilitator of THE End of the American Republic has always been the erosion of Judeo-Christian values, i.e., ethics and morality based on Biblical principles and honor.

The Secular Humanism rebellion and its hijacking of America via public school and academic indoctrination has gradually unloosened this mooring. The ouster of prayer and God in Public School was THE breaking point. By introducing wide-spread immigration from nations that did not share the Judeo-Christian moral and ethics AND culture also attributed heavily to our demise and full tyranny in the near future. America America was broken by the late 1960s, and now splintered irrevocably. Conveniently now, ONLY a Strong Man (or gubmint) can truly keep this nation of relative mongrels and mutts together.

This will sound cliche to Unbelievers, but this Republic -- even America -- was bound to inevitably drift toward chaos, then Tyranny by abandoning God and Bible-based morals and ethics. Most laws are about the HONOR SYSTEM in any case -- meaningless if as according to Secular Himanism, "everything is relative."

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-27   10:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Liberator (#80)

Most immigration is from Latin America, and they do share Judaea-Christian ethic.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-27   16:41:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#143. To: Vicomte13 (#129)

Most immigration is from Latin America, and they do share Judaea-Christian ethic.

Looked over my post to you, Vic.

I believe I know what your point is, but don't want to speculate. However in this case I must...

Are you justifying the Illegal Invaders from Central America and Mexico based on their supposed shared/common Judeo-Christian ethic with that of our Founders?

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