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Title: Your Lower and Lower Standard of Living Is a joke to the Pentagon
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/11/rep-john-j-duncan/664654-2/
Published: Nov 28, 2017
Author: Rep. John J. Duncan
Post Date: 2017-11-28 15:42:07 by Hondo68
Keywords: President Donald J. Trump, Intervention, Foreign Aid, Grow The Swamp
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Comments: 16
Several times over my 29 years in Congress I have wondered whether there are any fiscal conservatives at the Pentagon. It seems that the Defense Department is just like every other gigantic bureaucracy. When it comes to money, the refrain is always “more, more, more.” On November 14, the House passed what one Capitol Hill paper described as a “$700 billion compromise defense bill.” It was $80 billion over the budget caps and many billions more than even President Trump had requested. I opposed almost all the major initiatives of the Obama administration. But it was false to say that the Defense Department was “depleted” or “eviscerated” during those years, or that now we must “rebuild the military.” In fact, public relations experts in future years should conduct studies about how the Defense Department has been able to convince the public it has been cut when it is getting more money than ever. Defense Department appropriations have more than doubled since 2000. In addition, the Department has gotten extra billions in several supplemental or emergency appropriation bills. The military construction bill is a separate bill that has added another $109.5 billion over the last 10 years. It would be hard to find any U.S. military base any place in the world that has not had several new buildings constructed over the last few years. In fiscal year 2016, we spent over $177 billion on new equipment, guns, tanks, etc. We have spent similar amounts for many years. Most of this equipment does not wear out or have to be replaced after just one year. It is ironic that the only President in the last 60 or 70 years who has tried to rein in defense spending is the only President in that period who spent most of his career in the military. In Evan Thomas’ book, Ike’s Bluff, when told by his top staffer that he could not reduce defense spending, President Eisenhower said if he gave another star to every general who cut his budget, there would be “such a rush to cut costs you’ll have to get out of the way.” The book also quotes Eisenhower as saying “Heaven help us if we ever have a President who doesn’t know as much about the military as I do.” Therein lies an explanation for a big part of what has caused much excessive and/or wasteful defense spending and, the willingness, even at times eagerness, to go to war and support permanent, never-ending wars. Only 18% of the current Congress has ever served in any branch of our military. Members are afraid if they do not vote for an increase in defense spending, or if they question waste by the military, some demagogue will accuse them of “not supporting the troops.” It would be a huge understatement to say that I usually do not agree with New York Times editorials. But the Times Editorial Board on Oct. 22 published an editorial entitled “America’s Forever Wars,” pointing out that the U.S. “has been at war continuously since the attacks of 9/11” and now has troops in “at least 172 countries.” The Board wrote that so far the American people have “seemed to accept” all this militarism, but “it’s a very real question whether, in addition to endorsing these commitments, which have cost trillions of dollars and many lives over 16 years, they will embrace new entanglements…” The Times added that the Congress “has spent little time considering such issues in a comprehensive way or debating why all these deployments are needed.” Backing these words up was a cartoon in the Oct. 25 issue of Politico, a Capitol Hill newspaper. The cartoon showed six senators sitting at a hearing. The first senator, reading a newspaper, says “Who knew we had troops in Niger?!” The second says: “Heck, we don’t even know how the military budget gets spent.” Finally, the cartoon shows a senator who looks like Sen. Ted Cruz, saying “War is hell. I say we just give the Pentagon an extra $80 billion and call it a day.” Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, himself a veteran, wrote on Oct. 23: “But there is something else at work here: the slavish veneration now accorded the military. You can see it every time someone in uniform testifies before Congress.” Since now less than one percent of the people serve in the military, it may be that many people who never served feel, perhaps even subconsciously, that they must bend over backwards to show their patriotism. However, it is not unpatriotic to oppose wasteful defense spending or very unnecessary permanent, forever wars. President Reagan once said “our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.” We have far too many leaders today who seem to want to be new Winston Churchills and who are far too eager to send people to war. No true fiscal conservative could ever justify spending many billions more than even President Trump requested. Our national debt recently went over the $20 trillion level. A few days ago, it was reported that the deficit for fiscal 2017 was $666 billion. This fiscal year, it may be even higher. Conservatives used to be against huge deficit spending. They also used to be against massive foreign aid. Much of what we have been doing in both Iraq and Afghanistan, training police and farmers, repairing electrical and water systems, even making small business loans, etc., is pure foreign aid. Many of our foreign interventions have been done under the auspices or authority of the United Nations. Conservatives used to be the biggest critics of the U.N. and world government. Most of our so-called “coalitions” have been funded almost entirely by American taxpayers. Most interventionists at some point resort to a slur referring to their opponents as isolationists. This is so false. Traditional conservatives support trade and tourism and cultural and educational exchanges with other countries and they agree with helping during humanitarian crises. They just don’t believe in dragging war out forever, primarily so defense contractors, think tanks, and military bureaucrats can get more money. One last point: We have far too many officers. In Scott Berg’s biography on Woodrow Wilson, it says during World War I, we had one officer for every 30 enlisted men. Eisenhower once said we had too many officers when there were nine enlisted for every officer. Now we have one officer for only four and a half to five and a half enlisted (varies by branch). This is very expensive, both for active duty and retirement, but it also makes it much more likely that we will get involved in every little conflict around the world and/or continue basing troops in almost every country. We simply do not have enough money to pay for defense of so many countries other than our own nor the authority under our Constitution to try to run the whole world. Congressman Duncan served honorably in both the U.S. Army Reserve and the Army National Guard, starting as an enlisted man and rising to the rank of captain.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Well Congressmen Duncan there's a solution...STOP sending us to every bonfire on the earth. Reduce our footprint overseas and the money grubbing will cease.
Now he is a confirmed idiot.
>> Now he is a confirmed idiot. How many?
He's an idiot because it is a meaningless statistic. A missile silo may have one officer and three enlisted. Yet an Infantry platoon have one officer per 50 enlisted. Shows me he has no clue what he is talking about.
Too many chiefs, and not enough indians? At some point it becomes relevant, and can't just be ignored or rationalized away. Less Enlisted Troops for Every Officer
It's worthless information in an information and technological heavy force. Infantry platoons still have one PL per 50 man platoon. What skews the numbers are Corps and Division staffs. We already reduced in the 90s the Cold War Army of 22 Divisions to 9. 5 years ago both the Division and Corps HQs took a 35%-40% reduction in manning. Yet demand for 3 and 2 star HQs for expeditionary requirements increased.
There's an easy way to reduce the officer count in the Navy: allow enlisted men to fly aircraft, and make department heads and division officers on ships Chief Petty Officers. In fact, do away with the officer corps completely and only have enlisted. With the senior ranks of enlisted enquivalent to the officer corps. The officer/enlisted distinction is a nobles-and-peasants class distinction that comes from old aristocratic Europe. What does "too many officers" mean? Too many people with a college degree? That's, essentially, the difference between an "officer" and an "enlisted". Both are subject to military rules and regulations. Neither can just walk off and leave. Some are in charge of others, but senior enlisted are in charge of junior enlisted. The oaths of office are a wee bit different, but this is a symbolic, not real, difference. To take the Navy as an example, the chart above says 5 enlisted to every officer. Take an aviation squadron. 6 or 8 aircraft, perhaps 16 pilots (all officers), perhaps another 80 to 90 enlisted men of various levels, who maintain the equipment. In the Army, there are senior enlisted who fly helicopters. What difference, exactly, does it make to have more officers? Personnel are personnel. There is no magic in gold braid - it's just another level of rank. The chief difference is that you have to pay officers more, and you have to do that because they all have college educations, which means they tend to be a bit older when they come in than most enlisted. And it means that the civilian payscale they would face would be higher than the civilian payscale for the enlisted. Sure, it would be great for business if, in the civilian world, you could get white collar workers to work at blue collar wages. But you can't. That is, essentially, what the complaint about "too many officers" is: we don't want to pay as much salary. But consider that aviation squadron. Enlisted flying? Ok. 18 year old recruits flying? No. You need more experienced people. So your pilots won't be "officers", they'll be "senior enlisted", and you'll still have to pay them more money. Now consider a submarine. The officers are nuclear engineers. They all have degrees, and they've all gone through an intense and brutal nuclear engineering program. Could senior enlisted do that? Sure. So you'd have college graduates who were nuclear engineers, but they'd be wearing Chief Petty Officer clothes instead of officer clothes. Think you're going to get away with paying them like Boatswain's Mates? Think again. The officer/enlisted break is an artifact of history that has only symbolic meaning. Truth is, you're paying "officers" more (whether they're "commissioned" or "petty") because they have a lot more education, or a lot more experience, than the other folks in ranks. Truth is, in our very technical world, not everybody can be a nuclear engineer or a pilot or an sort of specialist. You will always have to pay them more, no matter what uniform you put on them. The bauble of the pretty white uniform and the gold braid is perfectly tuned to the immature male ego, but if we had fewer "officers" and more "enlisted", we'd just have to up the pay of the senior enlisted who do what the officers do. And by calling them "officers" and giving them the bauble of braid, you can cause well-educated men to override their own common sense and accept far too LITTLE pay to go be nuclear engineers and aviators. The uniform and the illusion of "specialness" works on the immature male ego, and allows us to get nuclear engineers and pilots for a third of the cost we would have to pay them for that much education in the civilian market. "Officers" versus "enlisted" is a red herring. You have to pay skilled people to do skilled things. Unskilled men can crash a plane and sink a sub. You have to pay up if you want to be able to have high tech. And having those white officer uniforms and the illusion of status (in truth, a naval officer is about as well-respected as any other man who makes so little money) allows the Navy to get men to do these jobs at a much lower cost than if you made them all wear enlisted dungarees or khakis.
We spend huge amounts of money and engage in forever war to maintain the Empire. From the end of World War II until Vietnam, the Empire was a pure good for America, vastly expanding our power, influence, wealth and control in the world. Vietnam was a very expensive setback, that brought the profit margin to America as a whole from the Empire down a notch, but Empire remained profitable. The War On Terror has really strained the military and cost a lot. The cost of maintaining the Empire has grown greatly. But we still, on average, profit from the Empire (though the break-even point in the society is much closer to 50/50 now). We'll keep investing in the Empire until the costs of maintaining it are too high for the wealthy powerbrokers.
From the end of World War II until Vietnam, the Empire was a pure good for America, vastly expanding our power, influence, wealth and control in the world. Great subject, Vic. I apologize preemptively for whaling away here... Yes -- arguably and roughly from the end of WW2 through the beginning of the Vietnam advisory "police action," the US benefited from a world still reeling from the aftermath of WW2... But wasn't that the case UNTIL LBJ assaulted us with the escalation of the war in Nam, the respective THIRD WORLD INVASION ACT OF 1965, and GREAT SOCIALIST SOCIETY ACT? Until then America thrived and was cohesively and definitively "American" Red White and Blue -- especially its Middle Class. And then came the Vietnam War -- fought NOT to win (as was Korea.) Only the Vietnam War for the first time in US history spurred on great divisions and questions about "The Empire" and our role as "World Policemen." Q: WHO actually "vastly expanded" their "power, influence, wealth and control in the world? Wasn't it the international monied globalist elites who were the beneficiaries? The Deep State and their cabal of DC bureaucrats? Isn't it true that it has been the American Middle Class who has been burdened with the multi-trillion dollar tabs for waging Fake Wars with no clear objectives and NO commitment to "winning"? From Korea to Nam to this so-called "War on Terror," to Iraq and Afghanistan, what exactly DID "WE-The-People win"?? It appears obvious that We The People have instead LOST. It countless ways. The American people have been easily set up and fallen victim to one massive charade after the next, one "crisis" after the next, benefiting only the military-industrial complex (as Ike had warned long ago), the Global Cabal of One Worlder Elites, AND, the Deep State (as well as its several layers of DC Bureaucrats.) Yes, it appears more obvious than ever that the Elites/Syndicate of Monied Globalists propaganda have sponsored and facilitated several PsyOps and propaganda programs, aided by a willing collusive accomplice -- a lying, highly influential media, academia, and Hollywood. Vietnam was a very expensive setback, that brought the profit margin to America as a whole from the Empire down a notch, but Empire remained profitable. Interesting perspective... The "Empire" (and it's global-first elites) may have remained profitable, but America's Lower AND Middle Class were devastated by being used as cannon fodder in a war that was NOT fought to win; were devastated by strife, social division and upheaval, and ideological PsyOps that scarred and ruined the Baby-Boomer Generation forever. The War On Terror has really strained the military and cost a lot. The cost of maintaining the Empire has grown greatly. But we still, on average, profit from the Empire (though the break-even point in the society is much closer to 50/50 now). There are several ways to parse your assessment here. 1) "The War on Terror" as it's played out since 9/11 has been a "war" on WE THE PEOPLE, our liberties, our freedoms, our privacy. 2) It's hasn't so much been a "War on Terror," otherwise the immigration door to both Muzzies and Mexican invaders would have been SLAMMED SHUT on 9/12. 3) "The War on Terror" is nothing but a lie, a gravy train for the Military-Industrial Complex (and gold mine for politicians.) The evidence suggests that assets-within, rather ENEMIES WITHIN created, facilitated, aided and abetted, and spread "Terrorists," Terrorism as well as its multi-factions. (In other words, we add up 2+2: With world peace and NO "terrorism," doesn't funding for the military-industrial complex dry-up? And those jobs related to "American/World Security" no longer exists? The dynamics have long been dangerously self-serving.) 4) "The EMPIRE" -- exactly whose is "it"?? Surely NOT your or mine. OR "America's." 5) The Monied International/Global Elites have managed to sell out and hollow out 90% of the US's factories to China, thereby sacrificing our traditional self-reliance and independence. We have betrayed by DC. The truth is, fascist-Commie China can indeed hold America hostage, economically. We'll keep investing in the Empire until the costs of maintaining it are too high for the wealthy powerbrokers. In other words, the "wealthy powerbrokers" or rather, our International Overlords with continue spreading OUR wealth around the globe, in doing so, continuing to destroy the American Middle Class. Q: How can the cost of spending trillions of dollars ever be "too high" when all the US Gubmint has to do is order the Feral Reserve to print up more funny-money (backed by nothing but thin-air as it further devalues the middle class dollar? Observations, comments, gentlemen?
You get it. We're on a runaway train that is never coming back, like our ancestors faced in the various mother countries across the sea during the years when things were getting worse and worse. It was comforting to think of yourself as part of a big American "team", where we all had each other's backs. That may have been true, at least to an extent, coming out of World War II and through the 50's. But that team has an owner, and the owner is interested in exploiting the fans, not caring for them. The army, etc., are the hired hands, the players - whose bodies get broken on the field for the benefit of "the team" - with most of the benefits flowing to the owners. So, if you have children, you have to look at the reality and think in terms of your family as being the only PERMANENT team that moves through history. Countries come and go. Blood lines continue or are cut off. The energy and devotion that we would like to invest in country, because we perceive that it is powerful and can advance us, is reaching (and may well have already reached) the point of diminishing returns for you and me. So therefore, the thing to do is to mentally shift colors. If globalism is the future, then make sure that your children are well-prepared to operate in it: be disciplined, learn foreign languages, focus on the skills necessary to thrive in the global economy. It would be grand if we could stop the trend, but we probably can't. So therefore we need to adjust to make sure our kids and grandkids are among the winners in the brave new world, as opposed to the also rans who drop into the water and wash aft in the wake. "In the future there will be two types of people: those who know how to count, and those who don't." - Anatole France
In effect every time they raise the debt ceiling, it's another tax on your wealth because it's decreased due to inflation. So "tax cuts" paid by borrowing are really tax increases in the long run. Don't worry though, the whole rotten FED ponzi scheme will collapse soon, and your toilet paper and ammo will we worth a fortune!
The Viet Nam war was deliberately fought to be lost by subversion manipulation by the "brighest and best" and McNamara under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.
Duncan is a freaking idiot,as well as a attention whore/ Why the HELL should the Pentagon give a rabid rats ass about the budget? It is none of their freaking business. Their entire focus is SUPPOSED to be on DEFENDING THE COUNTRY,NOT balancing a budget. Balancing budgets is what that shithead Duncan should be doing. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
NOT true. Officers go to schools that don't enlisted swine don't attend. Other than company grade officers in line units,officers are bean counters,and enlisted are "mechanics". White collar/Blue collar. IMHO,there are CLEARLY too damn many field grade officers in the US Army,and damn few of them seem to understand a damn thing about troop command and leadership. Even in the combat units of the last 40 years or so,being a field grade officer means you never willingly go into combat. Combat is for 0-3's and below,and it is even a rare 0-3 that is actually leading men on assaults. It's usually the 0-1's and 0-2's doing that,and none of them have ever been to the fancy schools the army sends field grade officers to "further their military knowledge." Being an enlisted man has one ENORMOUS advantage over being an officer,though. Unless you are a senior E-8 or a E-9,you are never required to get your hands dirty playing politics. Or at least that is the way it is in line units. I know every little about life in support units,and wish I knew less. I was forced to serve in a conventional signal battalion in VN the first three months I was there because I went there with a pulled muscle in my lower back and a dislocated shoulder. The absolute worse 3 months of my life. I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Signed,sealed,and DELIVERED! It was not "America",OR the US Military that made those decisions. It was the bankers,and they profit from all sides in wars. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You meant to say "the drones that live in company housing and keep the system going",right? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
It seems that the Defense Department is just like every other gigantic bureaucracy. When it comes to money, the refrain is always “more, more, more.” On November 14, the House passed what one Capitol Hill paper described as a “$700 billion compromise defense bill.” It was $80 billion over the budget caps and many billions more than even President Trump had requested. I opposed almost all the major initiatives of the Obama administration. But it was false to say that the Defense Department was “depleted” or “eviscerated” during those years, or that now we must “rebuild the military.” In fact, public relations experts in future years should conduct studies about how the Defense Department has been able to convince the public it has been cut when it is getting more money than ever.
#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
One last point: We have far too many officers. In Scott Berg’s biography on Woodrow Wilson, it says during World War I, we had one officer for every 30 enlisted men. Eisenhower once said we had too many officers when there were nine enlisted for every officer. Now we have one officer for only four and a half to five and a half enlisted (varies by branch).
#3. To: redleghunter (#2)
Now we have one officer for only four and a half to five and a half enlisted (varies by branch).
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
Now we have one officer for only four and a half to five and a half enlisted (varies by branch). >> Now he is a confirmed idiot. How many?
#5. To: redleghunter (#4)
Enlisted Members to Officer Ratios 2000 2005 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Army 5.2 5 5 4.8 4.5 4.3 4.2 4.1 Navy 5.9 5.8 5.1 5 4.9 4.9 4.9 5 Marine Corps 8.7 8.6 8.5 8.2 8.1 8.2 8 7.9 Air Force 4.1 3.8 4 4 4.1 4 4 4 Average 5.975 5.8 5.65 5.5 5.4 5.35 5.275 5.25
#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
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#9. To: Vicomte13, sneakypete, redleghunter (#8)
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We spend huge amounts of money and engage in forever war to maintain the Empire.
#10. To: Liberator (#9)
Observations, comments, gentlemen?
#11. To: Liberator, inflation the biggest tax (#9)
Q: How can the cost of spending trillions of dollars ever be "too high" when all the US Gubmint has to do is order the Feral Reserve to print up more funny-money (backed by nothing but thin-air as it further devalues the middle class dollar?
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
And then came the Vietnam War -- fought NOT to win (as was Korea.) Only the Vietnam War for the first time in US history spurred on great divisions and questions about "The Empire" and our role as "World Policemen."
#13. To: hondo68 (#0)
#14. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
What does "too many officers" mean? Too many people with a college degree? That's, essentially, the difference between an "officer" and an "enlisted".
#15. To: Liberator (#9)
Q: WHO actually "vastly expanded" their "power, influence, wealth and control in the world? Wasn't it the international monied globalist elites who were the beneficiaries? The Deep State and their cabal of DC bureaucrats?
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
It would be grand if we could stop the trend, but we probably can't. So therefore we need to adjust to make sure our kids and grandkids are among the winners in the brave new world,
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