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Title: Celebs to kids: America stinks! '55 rich white men drafted Constitution to protect their class – slaveholders'
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Drew Zahn
Post Date: 2009-12-15 08:24:43 by A K A Stone
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Hollywood celebrities and education gurus have teamed together to distribute to schools across the country a dramatic new curriculum that casts American history as an epic march of victims seeking to shrug off the shackles of the warmongering, racist, capitalist, imperialist United States. The History Channel's airing of the "The People Speak" last night marks the public coming-out party of a movement that has been in place since last year to teach America's school children a "social justice" brand of history that rails against war, oppression, capitalism and popular patriotism. The television special featuring performances by Matt Damon, Benjamin Bratt, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, Bruce Springsteen and others condemns the nation's past of oppression by the wealthy, powerful and imperialist and instead trumpets the voices of America's labor unions, minorities and protesters of various stripes. The accompanying curriculum guide for schools that show "The People Speak" in classrooms, for example, highlights an 1852 reading from abolitionist Frederick Douglass: What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour. The program and discussion guide is the most ambitious resource among many offered to America's schools by the Zinn Education Project, a collaboration of Rethinking Schools and Teaching for Change, as part of a push to encourage history instruction based on educator Howard Zinn's 1980 tome exposing the abuses of America's past, "A People's History of the United States." The project states its goal is to "introduce students to a more accurate, complex and engaging understanding of United States history than is found in traditional textbooks and curricula. … Zinn's 'A People's History of the United States' emphasizes the role of working people, women, people of color and organized social movements in shaping history. Students learn that history is made not by a few heroic individuals, but instead by people's choices and actions, thereby also learning that their own choices and actions matter." Tell Americans what they need to hear with WND's "No Hope in Socialism" magnetic bumper sticker The History Channel, furthermore, touts "The People Speak" as a program that "gives voice to those who spoke up for social change throughout U.S. history, forging a nation from the bottom up with their insistence on equality and justice. … 'The People Speak' illustrates the relevance of these passionate historical moments to our society today and reminds us never to take liberty for granted." The celebrities featured in "The People Speak" claim the stories of bold protesters and oppressed minorities and workers are "inspiring," while Zinn himself has stated that casting history as a people's movement toward change offers hope. Critics of the Zinn Project, however, warn that the curriculum is more about pushing Zinn's admitted pacifist and socialist agenda on the next generation. Michelle Malkin blasts "The People Speak" as an effort to promote "Marxist academic Howard Zinn's capitalism-bashing, America-dissing, grievance-mongering history textbook, 'A People's History of the United States.' … Zinn's work is a self-proclaimed 'biased account' of American history that rails against white oppressors, the free market and the military." The first two pages of Zinn's book demonstrate why Malkin and other critics might judge "A People's History of the United States" as inherently socialist propaganda: "These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like the Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable … for their hospitality, their belief in sharing," Zinn writes. "These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus." "The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?" Zinn writes, before pointing out of 1492 Spain, "Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were two percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land." The curriculum accompanying Zinn's book also contains questions and activities that recast American history in a victim vs. oppressor light: "In one article included at the Zinn Education Project website, I describe how I introduce my classes to the problematic notion of Columbus' 'discovery of America,'" writes Bill Bigelow, curriculum editor of Rethinking Schools magazine and author of an article the project recommends reading to understand its goals, "A People's History, A People's Pedagogy." "I steal a student's purse," Bigelow continues. "I do everything I can to get students to agree with me that 'Nomika's' purse is in fact my purse: I demonstrate that I control it; I take items out and claim them (Nomika has been alerted in advance, but other students don't know that), and I insist that it is my purse. "When I lose this argument with the class, I offer to 'recast the act of purse acquisition,' and tell students that I didn't steal Nomika's purse, I discovered it. Now it's mine, right?" he explains. He continues: "'So,' I ask them, 'if I didn't discover Nomika's purse, then why do some people say that Columbus discovered America? What are some other terms that we could use to describe his actions?' He stole America; he took it; he ripped it off; he invaded it. "In a five- or ten-minute simulation," Bigelow concludes, "students can begin to see what Howard Zinn argues throughout his work: that how we frame the past invariably takes sides. And when we use terms like 'discovery' – or even the seemingly more neutral 'encounter' – our language sides with the ones who came out on top." Zinn himself explains his approach, "I prefer to try to tell the story of the discovery of America from the viewpoint of the Arawaks, of the Constitution from the standpoint of the slaves, of Andrew Jackson as seen by the Cherokees, of the Civil War as seen by the New York Irish, of the Mexican War as seen by the deserting soldiers of Scott's army, of the rise of industrialism as seen by the young women in the Lowell textile mills, of the Spanish-American war as seen by the Cubans, the conquest of the Philippines as seen by the black soldiers on Luzon, the Gilded Age as seen by southern farmers, the First World War as seen by socialists, the Second World War as seen by pacifists, the New Deal as seen by blacks in Harlem, the postwar American empire as seen by peons in Latin America." A new approach to patriotism Howard Zinn While critics have alleged Zinn's education plan tears down America and its famous founders, a lesson plan titled "Unsung Heroes" begins with "an essay by Zinn defending his philosophy of education. Zinn writes, "A high school student recently confronted me: 'I read in your book "A People's History of the United States" about the massacres of Indians, the long history of racism, the persistence of poverty in the richest country in the world, the senseless wars. How can I keep from being thoroughly alienated and depressed?' "It's a question I've heard many times before," Zinn writes. "Another question often put to me by students is: 'Don't we need our national idols? You are taking down all our national heroes – the Founding Fathers, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy.' Granted, it is good to have historical figures we can admire and emulate. But why hold up as models the 55 rich white men who drafted the Constitution as a way of establishing a government that would protect the interests of their class – slaveholders, merchants, bondholders, land speculators?" Curriculum writer Bill Bigelow further explains of the popular perception of what it means to be patriotic, "There is a lot of 'us,' and 'we,' and 'our,' as if the texts are trying to dissolve race, class and gender realities into the melting pot of 'the nation.'" But Bigelow rejects the idea of identifying America as one, solid union. "A people's history and pedagogy ought to allow students to recognize that 'we' were not necessarily the ones stealing land, dropping bombs or breaking strikes," he concludes. "'We' were ending slavery, fighting for women's rights, organizing unions, marching against wars, and trying to create a society premised on the Golden Rule." His point is crystallized in a lesson plan he created for the Zinn project about the Pledge of Allegiance called "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" The plan points out that the lesson's title was actually a chant that followed the original Pledge – written in 1892 – as schoolchildren saluted with an extended arm, palm downward. The traditional gesture was replaced by a hand to the heart, the lesson points out, after Germany's Nazis began using the same salute to shout "Heil Hitler!" in the 1930s. "It seems to me that teachers ought to know something about the history of the Pledge before we ask our students to repeat it," Bigelow writes. "How has it been used, and by whom? Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the 'One Language!' chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge." The curriculum itself instructs students: "Read over the original words of the Pledge. In 1892, who did and did not have liberty and justice in the United States? (In the 1880s in the South, over 100 African Americans were lynched yearly; segregation was the norm and would soon be ratified by the U.S. Supreme Court in Plessy v. Ferguson. Women could not vote. In the previous 50 years, Mexicans had been stripped of land and property in what had been their country. Discrimination and violence against Chinese immigrants had grown increasingly severe. In the summer of 1892, 8,000 Pennsylvania National Guardsmen had helped Henry Clay Frick break the union at the Carnegie Steel Co. in Homestead, Pa.) How about in the 1920s, when the Pledge was introduced more widely into the schools?" The spread of the Zinn Educational Project According to a Zinn Educational Project report, in April 2008, with support from an anonymous donor, ZEP partnered with 32 organizations to offer 31,000 teachers and teacher educators free packets for instilling the "people's history" in schools across the country. The ZEP reports it quickly received requests for its available 4,000 free packets, nearly half of which were sent to schools in California, New York and Illinois. A graphic illustrating where ZEP sent the packets is below: The first two pages of Zinn's book demonstrate why Malkin and other critics might judge "A People's History of the United States" as inherently socialist propaganda: "These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like the Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable … for their hospitality, their belief in sharing," Zinn writes. "These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus." "The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?" Zinn writes, before pointing out of 1492 Spain, "Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were two percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land." The curriculum accompanying Zinn's book also contains questions and activities that recast American history in a victim vs. oppressor light: "In one article included at the Zinn Education Project website, I describe how I introduce my classes to the problematic notion of Columbus' 'discovery of America,'" writes Bill Bigelow, curriculum editor of Rethinking Schools magazine and author of an article the project recommends reading to understand its goals, "A People's History, A People's Pedagogy." "I steal a student's purse," Bigelow continues. "I do everything I can to get students to agree with me that 'Nomika's' purse is in fact my purse: I demonstrate that I control it; I take items out and claim them (Nomika has been alerted in advance, but other students don't know that), and I insist that it is my purse. "When I lose this argument with the class, I offer to 'recast the act of purse acquisition,' and tell students that I didn't steal Nomika's purse, I discovered it. Now it's mine, right?" he explains. He continues: "'So,' I ask them, 'if I didn't discover Nomika's purse, then why do some people say that Columbus discovered America? What are some other terms that we could use to describe his actions?' He stole America; he took it; he ripped it off; he invaded it. "In a five- or ten-minute simulation," Bigelow concludes, "students can begin to see what Howard Zinn argues throughout his work: that how we frame the past invariably takes sides. And when we use terms like 'discovery' – or even the seemingly more neutral 'encounter' – our language sides with the ones who came out on top." Zinn himself explains his approach, "I prefer to try to tell the story of the discovery of America from the viewpoint of the Arawaks, of the Constitution from the standpoint of the slaves, of Andrew Jackson as seen by the Cherokees, of the Civil War as seen by the New York Irish, of the Mexican War as seen by the deserting soldiers of Scott's army, of the rise of industrialism as seen by the young women in the Lowell textile mills, of the Spanish-American war as seen by the Cubans, the conquest of the Philippines as seen by the black soldiers on Luzon, the Gilded Age as seen by southern farmers, the First World War as seen by socialists, the Second World War as seen by pacifists, the New Deal as seen by blacks in Harlem, the postwar American empire as seen by peons in Latin America." A new approach to patriotism While critics have alleged Zinn's education plan tears down America and its famous founders, a lesson plan titled "Unsung Heroes" begins with "an essay by Zinn defending his philosophy of education. Zinn writes, "A high school student recently confronted me: 'I read in your book "A People's History of the United States" about the massacres of Indians, the long history of racism, the persistence of poverty in the richest country in the world, the senseless wars. How can I keep from being thoroughly alienated and depressed?' "It's a question I've heard many times before," Zinn writes. "Another question often put to me by students is: 'Don't we need our national idols? You are taking down all our national heroes – the Founding Fathers, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy.' Granted, it is good to have historical figures we can admire and emulate. But why hold up as models the 55 rich white men who drafted the Constitution as a way of establishing a government that would protect the interests of their class – slaveholders, merchants, bondholders, land speculators?" Curriculum writer Bill Bigelow further explains of the popular perception of what it means to be patriotic, "There is a lot of 'us,' and 'we,' and 'our,' as if the texts are trying to dissolve race, class and gender realities into the melting pot of 'the nation.'" But Bigelow rejects the idea of identifying America as one, solid union. "A people's history and pedagogy ought to allow students to recognize that 'we' were not necessarily the ones stealing land, dropping bombs or breaking strikes," he concludes. "'We' were ending slavery, fighting for women's rights, organizing unions, marching against wars, and trying to create a society premised on the Golden Rule." His point is crystallized in a lesson plan he created for the Zinn project about the Pledge of Allegiance called "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" The plan points out that the lesson's title was actually a chant that followed the original Pledge – written in 1892 – as schoolchildren saluted with an extended arm, palm downward. The traditional gesture was replaced by a hand to the heart, the lesson points out, after Germany's Nazis began using the same salute to shout "Heil Hitler!" in the 1930s. "It seems to me that teachers ought to know something about the history of the Pledge before we ask our students to repeat it," Bigelow writes. "How has it been used, and by whom? Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the 'One Language!' chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge." The curriculum itself instructs students: "Read over the original words of the Pledge. In 1892, who did and did not have liberty and justice in the United States? (In the 1880s in the South, over 100 African Americans were lynched yearly; segregation was the norm and would soon be ratified by the U.S. Supreme Court in Plessy v. Ferguson. Women could not vote. In the previous 50 years, Mexicans had been stripped of land and property in what had been their country. Discrimination and violence against Chinese immigrants had grown increasingly severe. In the summer of 1892, 8,000 Pennsylvania National Guardsmen had helped Henry Clay Frick break the union at the Carnegie Steel Co. in Homestead, Pa.) How about in the 1920s, when the Pledge was introduced more widely into the schools?" The spread of the Zinn Educational Project According to a Zinn Educational Project report, in April 2008, with support from an anonymous donor, ZEP partnered with 32 organizations to offer 31,000 teachers and teacher educators free packets for instilling the "people's history" in schools across the country. The ZEP reports it quickly received requests for its available 4,000 free packets, nearly half of which were sent to schools in California, New York and Illinois. A graphic illustrating where ZEP sent the packets is below: The ZEP website boasts many of the teachers have begun implementing the curriculum and has published the following testimonials: "These resources are an asset," reportedly responded Meaghan Martin, an elementary school teacher in Manassas, Va. "We are always looking for ways to offer students a critical perspective. The unsung heroes unit is outstanding! I have tailored it to meet the needs of my 2nd graders when we study American biographies." Lara Emerling, a middle school teacher in Baltimore, Md., reportedly replied, "Knowing that resources like the Zinn Education Project exist make me feel so hopeful about the network of people who are engaged in this kind of dialogue with their students. I am a young, white female living in Baltimore and teaching at an all black middle school. These resources are so valuable to me personally and to the relationships being built between the students and the faculty. Thank you to everyone involved in keeping this collaboration evolving!" Zinn himself has testified of his hope that the project will continue to spread. "We're dreamers," writes Zinn. "We want it all. We want a peaceful world. We want an egalitarian world. We don't want war. We don't want capitalism. We want a decent society."
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Early life Zinn was born to a Jewish immigrant family in Brooklyn. His father, Eddie Zinn, born in Austria-Hungary, emigrated to the U.S. with his brother Phil before the outbreak of World War I. Howard's mother Jenny Zinn emigrated from the Eastern Siberian city of Irkutsk. Both parents were factory workers with limited education when they met and married, and there were no books or magazines in the series of apartments where they raised their children. Zinn's parents introduced him to literature by sending 25 cents plus a coupon to the New York Post for each of the 20 volumes of Charles Dickens' collected works.[2] He also studied creative writing at Thomas Jefferson High School in a special program established by poet Elias Lieberman.[3] Howard Zinn in Wellfleet on Cape Cod. As a young adult, Zinn worked as a shipyard worker and labor organizer in the Brooklyn shipyards. During World War II, he was a second Lieutenant and bombardier in the U.S. Army Air Corps where he flew combat missions in Europe aboard a B-17 with the 490th Bombardment Group between 1943 and 1945. Zinn's role in bombing what he later found out were sometimes civilian populations shaped his opposition to war and aerial bombing. n 1956, Zinn was appointed chairman of the department of history and social sciences at Spelman College, where he participated in the Civil Rights movement. For example, Zinn lobbied with historian August Meier[4] "to end the practice of the Southern Historical Association of holding meetings at segregated hotels.[5] At Spelman, Zinn served as an adviser to the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and, in 1964, later wrote the book SNCC: The New Abolitionists Zinn's diplomatic visit to Hanoi with Rev. Daniel Berrigan, during the Tet Offensive in January 1968, resulted in the return of three American airmen, the first American POWs released by the North Vietnamese since the U.S. bombing of that nation had begun. The event was widely reported in the news media and discussed in a variety of books including Who Spoke Up? American Protest Against the War in Vietnam 1963-1975 by Nancy Zaroulis and Gerald Sullivan.[18] Zinn remained friends and allies with the Berrigan brothers, Dan and Philip, over the years. Daniel Ellsberg, a former RAND consultant who had secretly copied The Pentagon Papers, which described internal planning and policy decisions of the United States in the Vietnam War, gave a copy of them to Howard and Roslyn Zinn.[19] Along with Noam Chomsky, Zinn edited and annotated the copy of The Pentagon Papers that Ellsberg entrusted to him. Zinn's longtime publisher, Beacon Press, published what has come to be known as the Senator Mike Gravel edition of The Pentagon Papers, four volumes plus a fifth volume with analysis by Chomsky and Zinn.
Howard Zimm American History According to Zinn: A Leftist’s Fairy Tale 2009 December 14 tags: News, Politics by Rhonda Robinson Howard Zinn, the radical intellectual who inspired "The People Speak" My grandfather used to tell my mother as she was growing up (in the Depression) that she and her siblings were lucky — they had a Sears catalog for the necessary paperwork in the out-house. He, on the other hand as a child, had to use two corn cobs. First, he would explain, you used the red one, and then the white one–to see if you needed another red one. I grew up hearing many stories about the Depression. Unlike those narrated last night on the History channel, in Marxist Howard Zinn’s “The People Speak,” I heard stories of extreme poverty and of those who lived through it with humor, devotion and hard work. Zinn would have us believe there was no hope, no jobs, and the people sat in abject poverty waiting for the government to take care of them, and it failed to do so. But then according to Zinn, those who rebelled for social change — the socialists and anarchists — were the heroes of the day. As the Hollywood hate club read aloud passages, presumably of those who represented the working people of the time, I listened closely to hear my grandfather’s voice in the narratives. Nothing they said could have been further from what he believed, or lived. Nor did anything resemble my mother-in-law, who was put in an orphanage because her family could no longer feed her. No one is denying the tragedies and misery of the past. It is regarding how, who, and why they were able to overcome them, in which Zinn rewrites history. In Zinn’s version of history, the “Cinderella Man” would have taken off his boxing gloves and used his fame to mobilize the masses in revolt against their evil oppressors. Rather than like my grandfather, do whatever it took to feed his family in the face of extreme poverty—and emerge the victor. The stories left untold, like the immigrants who escaped real oppression and poverty to come to America, spoke volumes about the author’s intent. It was not to give a true account of the American experience, but to shape American history in the minds of American students into a warped, oppressive and evil entity. It wasn’t because of social revolution, as Zinn would have us believe, that Americans have overcome our darkest hours. It is because we are free to shape our own destinies. We have thrived when the government steps out, not in to our lives. Had he told my grandfather’s story, it would have been of a simple man raising six children that went barefoot in the summer, but always got new shoes in time for school. We would have heard of a man whose reputation as a reliable, hard worker was the key that opened the doors shut to those who would rather pound their fists and claim injustice.
Zimm like Ayers and Obama has strong ties to the Annenberg Foundation which also has ties to "Fact Check" dot org...
Zimm also lionized Emma Goldman in his play "Emma" In this play, historian and playwright Howard Zinn dramatizes the life of Emma Goldman, the anarchist, feminist, and free-spirited thinker who was exiled from the United States because of her outspoken views, including her opposition to World War I. With his wit and unique ability to illuminate history from below, Zinn reveals the life of this remarkable woman. As Zinn writes in his Introduction, Emma Godman "seemed to be tireless as she traveled the country, lecturing to large audiences everywhere, on birth control ("A woman should decide for herself"), on the falsity of marriage as an institution ("Marriage has nothing to do with love"), on patriotism ("the last refuge of a scoundrel") on free love ("What is love if not free?") and also on the drama, including Shaw, Ibsen, and Strindberg. This book will be of immense interest to feminists, American historians, and people interested in the long history of resistance and protest in the United States. Howard Zinn is professor emeritus at Boston University. He is the author of the classic A People’s History of the United States. A television adaptation of the book is currently being co-produced by Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and Chris Moore for HBO. Zinn has received the Lannan Foundation Literary Award for Nonfiction and the Eugene V. Debs award for his writing and political activism. Zinn is the author of the internationally acclaimed play Marx in Soho, which has been touring the country in performance since its release.
Thanks for the additional info on this piece of shit.
Alright, first question before I even attempt to respond to some of the BS and have a stroke so early in the morning! How many of these sleazy hypocrates who have made their fortunes in this country are Black ?? If they are not Black, who the hell gave them 'written' permission to speak on behalf American Blacks??
The so called "Civil Rights" movement was in really a Marxist-Trotskyite "Community Organized" movement.. The very same "union organizers" aka eastern European ethnic Communists exported themselves to America to do to America what they have done to Russia.. Groups like the ADL have been their cover now for years... Take a look at who ran Martin Luther King...Stanley Levinson
So called is right, what are they marching and bitchin for now, Socialism? Can't be for the black man, most of them aren't even Black anymore, just ask the halfafrican playing leader in the WH...do you think that PIMP would move to Africa today? Well, maybe he would if they elected him their KING and built a temple for him, with an army of soldiers to protect his sorry ass...
What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – And Douglass was 100 percent correct as far as the part I quoted. Slavery was a abomination that was 100% un-Constitutional and it needed to be ended in this country. Who the hell can really argue with that? Any government that has the power to legalize slavery of blacks also has the authority to legalize the slavery of Catholics,for example. We are either all free,or none of us are free. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour. And THAT is where his train left the tracks and he became a hypocrite and a bullshit artist. Seems like Douglass may have never heard of Africa,doesn't it? The continent of savages that sold their fellow savages into slavery in exchange for glass beads and mirrors,and the continent where slavery is STILL practiced. And of course,we know better than that. Douglass was a intelligent and educated man,and he knew full well the horrors of life in Africa. Proof of that is he doesn't seem to have made any effort to move there himself despite having the wealth,position,and freedom to move anywhere he wanted. This means Douglass was nothing more than just another race-baiting hypocrite and liar. The television special featuring performances by Matt Damon, Benjamin Bratt, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, Bruce Springsteen and others condemns the nation's past of oppression by the wealthy, powerful and imperialist and instead trumpets the voices of America's labor unions, minorities and protesters of various stripes. As for these losers,what they hell do any of THEM know about life in America? They all grew up and were "educated" in the northeast. Mostly NYC and northern NJ. That ain't America. The project states its goal is to "introduce students to a more accurate, complex and engaging understanding of United States history than is found in traditional textbooks and curricula. Translation: "The project has a goal of destroying American sovereignty by destroying pride in America and all she has accomplished by highlighting the bad and ignoring the good. The purpose of this is to destroy America and make her a part of a global government ruled by a elite class of international bankers and "intellectuals". But why hold up as models the 55 rich white men who drafted the Constitution as a way of establishing a government that would protect the interests of their class – slaveholders, merchants, bondholders, land speculators?" How can this uneducated fool teach education,when it's obvious he either wasn't educated himself,or he is so stupid he didn't understand what he was taught? Can he REALLY be such a colossal fool that he thinks the Bill of Rights was written to protect the wealthy? Of is he just one more charlatan,spinning lies and hiding his true nature and beliefs? Or is he even smart enough to have beliefs instead of so intellectually lacking he only has dreams that never have to meet critical thought?
Don't beat around the bush, what was the ethnicity of these "east europeans"?
Name one celebrity that has give his vast land holdings back to the Native Americans. Just one.
----------------------------------------------------------- In every democratic form of government, these words were spoken prior to failure. Socialism rose & went on to Communism. All Progressives spout this crap and continue to force it onto the public system. The Hollyweed crowd has always been famous pushing this garbage in the media. Show them you won't tolerate it by not purchasing their products. They represent nothing; so why finance them to shit on you?
" There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour." And THAT is where his train left the tracks and he became a hypocrite and a bullshit artist. Seems like Douglass may have never heard of Africa,doesn't it? The continent of savages that sold their fellow savages into slavery in exchange for glass beads and mirrors,and the continent where slavery is STILL practiced. And of course,we know better than that. Douglass was a intelligent and educated man,and he knew full well the horrors of life in Africa. Proof of that is he doesn't seem to have made any effort to move there himself despite having the wealth,position,and freedom to move anywhere he wanted. This means Douglass was nothing more than just another race-baiting hypocrite and liar. Yes, Frederick Douglass was indeed an articulate American of African heritage and right on many issues of liberty and freedom at the time... However America could NOT have as "shocking and bloody" as Douglass maintained. Afterall, how else could his hyperbolic baloney and blatant hypocrisy have ever been tolerated and celebrated in such a "bloody" country? The man became a wealthy landowner BE-CAUSE OF America's system. And like his contemporary ilk who still moan and b*tch about the "unfairness" and "meanness" of America and it's "Dead White Founders", none of them would trade places in Africa with ANY African King. It appears America really IS "The Land of Opportunity". Moreover your observation is dead-on; NOTHING was mentioned by Douglass (OR EVER by contemporary Afro-Separatists and race-baiters) about his west African ancestors capturing their own to be sold as slaves and mere merchandise. Yep, and slavery in Africa REMAINS a non-issue for Oprah, Hussein, Manchelle, Jesse, or Sharpy. It must be noted in the final analysis that Douglass was a hypocrite, liar, propagandist, and was intellectually dishonest for profit. Still, his life is a fascinating story - especially the latter years (Source: wiki): In 1877, Douglass bought his final home in Washington D.C., on a hill above the Anacostia River. He named it Cedar Hill (also spelled CedarHill). He expanded the house from 14 to 21 rooms, and included a china closet. One year later, he expanded his property to 15 acres by buying adjoining lots. The home has been designated the Frederick Douglass National Historic Site. Frederick Douglass with his second wife Helen Pitts Douglass (sitting). The woman standing is her sister Eva Pitts. After the disappointments of whites' regaining power in the South after Reconstruction, many African Americans, called Exodusters, moved to Kansas to form all-black towns where they could be free. Douglass spoke out against the movement, urging blacks to stick it out. He was condemned and booed by black audiences. In 1877, Douglass was appointed a United States Marshal. In 1881, he was appointed Recorder of Deeds for the District of Columbia. His wife, Anna Murray Douglas, died in 1882, leaving him depressed. His association with the activist Ida B. Wells brought meaning back into his life. In 1884, Douglass married Helen Pitts, a white feminist from Honeoye, New York. Pitts was the daughter of Gideon Pitts, Jr., an abolitionist colleague and friend of Douglass. Pitts was a graduate of Mount Holyoke College (then called Mount Holyoke Female Seminary). She had worked on a radical feminist publication named Alpha while living in Washington, D.C. The couple faced a storm of controversy with their marriage, since she was both white and nearly 20 years younger than he. Her family stopped speaking to her; his was bruised, as his children felt his marriage was a repudiation of their mother. But feminist Elizabeth Cady Stanton congratulated the couple. The new couple traveled to England, France, Italy, Egypt and Greece from 1886 to 1887 (*NOTE*: But NOT any West African nation.) At the 1888 Republican National Convention, Douglass became the first African American to receive a vote for President of the United States in a major party's roll call vote. In 1892 the Haitian government appointed Douglass as its commissioner to the Chicago World's Columbian Exposition. He spoke for Irish Home Rule and the efforts of leader Charles Stewart Parnell in Ireland. He briefly revisited Ireland in 1886. Also in 1892, he constructed rental housing for blacks in the Fells Point area of Baltimore. Now known as Douglass Place, it was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2003. Frederick Douglass died on February 20, 1895.
As for these losers,what they hell do any of THEM know about life in America? They all grew up and were "educated" in the northeast. Mostly NYC and northern NJ. That ain't America. LOL - I agree...and I grew up in northern Joisey. Ugh, how I DESPISE these people... Insular idiots, limousine liberals, and McMansion dwelling, Jaguar-driving, hot tub bathing, pro-Marxists are running the show here from their gated estates, cheering 0bama on.
I dated a guy from Jersy when I was younger. Jerry. He was such a great guy! Very smart, too.
Word of the day Jerry-from-Jersey? Great guy? Smart? Probably from southern New Jersey... Btw, it's "Joisey" if he's from northern NJ.
Bingo!
It is more so than any other region. It has every demographic that exists in the US including you hicks. BUt I will gladly secede so you can travel on dirt roads and clamor for food.
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It is more so than any other region Yeah,which explains why your train is never running on the tracks. It has every demographic that exists in the US including you hicks. Not true. The only Americans that are there are tourists. The people that live there are either communists or serfs too freaking ignorant and dim-witted to understand they are serfs BUt I will gladly secede so you can travel on dirt roads and clamor for food. Ahhhh,if only! The above statement only proves my points above. You are so ignorant and mis-educated you really do believe that nonsense. The truth is you are all parasites that contribute nothing to the country but stupid.
I just remember his sexy Joisey voice and his beautiful eyes. AHA! I remember - Burl NJ
Word of the day Do you need me to show you how stupid you are again? Just say the word...
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The only people who say "Joisey" are those who are not from there but are trying to do what is a bad imitation of a person who actually is from "Jah- zee"...
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Burlington?
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Irony of the day but I'lll let you figure out why by figuring it out. Anyway, do a quick look up of how much food and tax dollars we the un-real America sends to you. BTW, is this an example of the real American you keep screeching on about? No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Yeah - he always called it Burl, but it is short for Burlington.
Got crack?
Irony of the day but I'lll let you figure out why by figuring it out. LOL. Strange that you mention irony,but seem to be blind to it. BTW, is this an example of the real American you keep screeching on about? Taken at your local China Outlet Mall?
That's South Jersey...right outside Philly...they drink wooder down there and not wahtuh as they should...
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My irony is that I miss irony... Hoo kay...
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Nope...taken at a WalMart in the South... Like these real Americans here... No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
LOL! Real-tree camo coveralls.........beats spandex any day! I've got to get a set of those horns!
Nope...taken at a WalMart in the South... When did you travel to America? Like these real Americans here... Ahhh,your elitism and racism are showing,war.
You can see that? I see a picture so dark I can't tell what kind of clothes he is wearing. War thinks cammo clothing looks like a rusted out Honda Civic or a fire hydrant.
If that's America...keep it and don't let it breed...
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A fire hydrant?
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You should rethink the shoes, sneak... No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
If that's America.. See? Even you say you don't know what America is.
The way that you dress it no one would...
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Why? I thought I'd wear the red shoes on my trip to NYC so I would fit in with the local commies.
Maybe you'll get lucky and either a belt or rope will be on sale next week... No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
IN that case rethink the shorts...
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No surprise that these people are feminists. Feminism is responsible for all that is good and decent in society. I am pleased that it is finally becoming mainstream knowledge that feminism=radical socialists for the destruction of western civilization. I am not kidding either.
OOPS- responsiblile for *the destruction of*... all that is good and decent. I wish that fancy edit button worked for me.
North Jersey, South Jersey, makes no difference to me. I have no inclination to visit the Northeast. I don't like the cold.
Our Wal Mart does not look like that. Our Wal Mart is over crowded with people from south of the border. They bring their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles - all their moms and all their kids. You can't even go down the isles. The only time I ever go there is if I can't find what I need at Target AND if it is something I absolutely need AND it's the middle of the night or early Sunday morning (when they're all in church). ;-) There is a Super Wal-Mart in Benson that is a nice and pleasant place to shop. I like to go there for the majority of things we need - do it all in one trip, once a month.
Gotcha...Arizona...Mexico...makes no difference to me///[wink]
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I was in a Wal-mart in Marquette, MI two weekends ago buying yarn for my mom's nursing home. Throw some parkas on those "Real Americans" and that is what I saw...I felt as if I was transported to the Valley of the...geez...words escape me...
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Hey...I think one of your reasons for 2xBozo just showed up...I have 2 as well, btw...
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Is there anywhere that you go to where you don't seem out of place? QUICK: Tell me about what a fuckwad nasty evil person I am but that Jesus will change my heart as he did yours...
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Careful war - she'll start claiming you stalked her here. Best thing to do is ignore it. If you can't ignore it, place it on bozo. Nothing good can come of conversing with it.
You do know that you are 'Sexually Dysfunctional' now? ...
Oh sheet! War's gonna get laid tonight!
Oh sheet! War's gonna get laid tonight! I think the poor feller might be totally confused by now...maybe this will explain? diva betsy ross: "I am beginning to really be able to tell the people who have sexual dysfunctions by the way they post and attack people."
C'mon...it's the best 10 seconds of my life 3x's a week...
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i like yer thinking...
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I'm really going to have to move this keyboard away from my coffee....
Goddammit...you mean I didn;t HAVE to admit that I last 10 seconds? This IS sarcasm btw...I last 12
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I'm really going to have to move this keyboard away from my coffee... Try reading this while eating roast --- You think coffee is bad spewed on the keyboard... War - we don't wanna know what your spewing on yours...
***SPEW****
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Yeah. What a stud:
"Jah-zee"?? What are you - from "Bah-ston"?? You're no New Yawk-ah.
D'oh...:-D
LOL
Hmmm....in north Joisey we'd call it "water." You're probably right on the pronunciation elsewhere.
I work hard to find some type of humor in pics that make me want to vomit. I have seen some disgusting things in stores around here. You learn real wuick where to shop and where not to shop by the class of the customers.
Whatta ya do? Work your way from bottom to top?
THAT is funny. I don't think it matter where a Wal-Mart is, people are gonna be...let's say "unique."
I just had 5 NNJ's pronounce "water" which I had spelled out on our Big White Board in Black magic marker...you lost 4-1.
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Yeah, lol. Sometimes. Wee-yud, ain't it?
absolutely fascinating, Lib
geeze --- I didn't mean that the way it sounds --- I was talking about reading the thread, not anything else...
I'm in the 20 percentile? Cool. We need more of a sampling.
Hey Palo...thanks... How yoo doo-in'?
I knew what you meant...ALTHOUGH....;-)
I'm "from" Pittsburgh and there is no "oy" in Jahzee...Boston would say it JawC, btw...and Vermont JAAAWsee...
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I'm RIGHT handed, clown...
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The "freak and hairies, fags and fairies" need to shop somewhere too. (Alvin Lee, 'I'd Love To Change The World')
That's your mirror, Sparky. Forgotten last night's "date" so soon?
Hi cookie but I am from Flushing Queens Love, Palo
I pulled a little summer job at a Dollar General for a friend of mine who managed the place. It seems not many people can pass background checks these days. Anyway, this one gal - older - never bathed - never brushed her hair - came into the store one day wearing cowboy boots and a short - see - through nighty. No - she's not hot - We had to make her leave and threated to call the police when she refused. I mean, Dollar General is not a porn shop - there's kids in the store.
Einstein claims time is relative :)
Actually, the number went up to 3. I think it's a good thing.
But you're a Pittsburgh/New Yawkah hybrid, arentcha? I even went to school out there...briefly. Lemme call my bro in-law in PA about his Pittsburghese pronunciation. "Jahzee"?? Hmmm...."JawC" in Boston - I'll concede. Vermont? Ya got me. For all I know they pronounce it "Jawwwerzzzay."
It's not the last 10 seconds that count. It's what happens before those 10 seconds that makes a difference. ;-)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
Flushing...Mets territory. Yaeh, I've watched and hoid the Nanny...still retain a bit of that Queens accent? It's cute. It's kinda sounds like the Bronx accent, the borough where many of cousins lived. They'd say, "jaw-knee pump" instead of "fire hydrant."
I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end when I first moved to Tucson I still had very strong NYC accent, I was at Swap Meet my first week here and I asked my husband for a "quata"
I gotta agree. LOL...
Absolutely right. Same in da Bronx. the guy next to me "accused" me of making up a phony New York accent lol I was so surprised because I didn't even realize was talking "funny" That's hilarious.
Yes I would ride my bike to Shea stadium
Probably from Jersey City, Hoboken or Bayonne. Or even Staten Island.
Wow, you were really nearby... Odd how some relics remained just where they were at the World's Fair...like the Unisphere. I understand there's still an underground tunnel leading to exhibits as well.
I don't really know the New Jersey accent
(Liberator) Probably from Jersey City, Hoboken or Bayonne. Or even Staten Island. there used to be very tough Irish girls in Coney Island and way west in midtown Manhattan (Hell's Kitchen) but my husband is from Baltimore Flushing wasn't like that, they were all like Fran in "the Nanny"
lol, yup that's when it gets "dirty"
Typically hilarious exchange/post between youse guys. I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.)
Bwaahaa! And coincidentally, a perfect match with the one-piece red spandex suit.
That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first. I'm going to go wash my eyes now.
(Liberator) Absolutely right. you are right, Lib
lol it's all your fault Mel I started out on this thread as sweetness and light
I'm
throwing a flag on this play. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT. BTW, I've never heard
the of word "f*ckwad." Hmm....oh yes I have. IN HIGH SCHOOL. My bad, William
Actually, Murron started it in a post to war. I just carried it a bit further. ;-)
Typically hilarious exchange/post between youse guys. I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.) me too, Lib
Oh - and Liberator didn't help any either.
Me: [" I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.) "] That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first. I'm going to go wash my eyes now. Ummmm....yeah. :-)
ROTFLMAO!
lol you changed the focus :)
hehe - I guess my head is in the gutter today. WooHoo!
OK I a need some help about Christmas presents My question now is I bought her summer clothes in summer Thanks in advance
yes you started out romantically all about your dreamy New Jersey boyfriend
Pack it all up and send it tomorrow. It should be there by Wednesday next week. Yes, even the summer stuff. And no, it's not tragic if it gets there after Christmas. It's exciting to get gifts after Christmas because you don't expect them. They kinda become more special that way. That's how it is for me and my kids anyway.
He was military too. Army. So he had the hair cut I like and he looked good in BDU's. I wonder whatever happened to him.
LOL..you nasty lil turn coat mel! &;-) OK! Here's the jist girls, this is contagious palo, unless your just as perverted as mel and I and just didn't know it till now....lol...just kidding, or maybe.... "I think we are really very lonely women. It happens with women, many times, when the children leave the home. We don't have any hobbies- we've allowed our sexuality to dry up and die.. and we've lost our sense of humor and adventure. We are not that smart, or sophisticated. I suspect we're average- middle class.. we most likely get no exercise, and watch a great deal of TV- and I suspect alcoholism and depression in we three harpies. It is sad- but we three have allowed online groups to be our existence. It was, and is, very- very serious to us that people think like we do. But then....we feel ok about ourselves when we have beaten everyone into submission or chased everyone away." LOL
You are a peach
We are not that smart, or sophisticated. I suspect we're average- middle class.. we most likely get no exercise, and watch a great deal of TV- and I suspect alcoholism and depression in we three harpies. It is sad- but we three have allowed online groups to be our existence. It was, and is, very- very serious to us that people think like we do. But then....we feel ok about ourselves when we have beaten everyone into submission or chased everyone away." Hmmmmm.....Hmmmmm... That sounds like something a pretend shrink would say - It's more likely that's how she perceives herself and self-projection is the easier route to take. lmao! Murron! I think you have us pegged.
You saved yourself by asking the question. You're such a sweetheart. Good luck!
It was from our resident, self proclaimed 'psychoanalyst', I couldn't make this shit up...&;-) diva betsy ross: "I think it was really that they were very lonely women. It happens with women, many times, when the children leave the home. They didn't have any hobbies- they allowed their sexuality to dry up and die.. and they had lost their sense of humor and adventure. They were not that smart, or sophisticated. I suspect they were average- middle class.. They most likely get no exercise, and watch a great deal of TV- and I suspect alcoholism and depression in more than a few of the harpies. It is sad- but they allowed online groups to be their existence. It was, and is, very- very serious to them that they people think like they do. They feel ok about themselves then when they have beaten everyone into submission or chase everyone away."
Now you get the title of stalker. ;-)
It's "dykes and fairies"...
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Okay...THAT one WAS left handed...
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Speaking o mirror image hand jobs...where has your buddy Stupid Old Drunk been? Still schmartin' from Goldi's smackdown?
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Oh you bad girl, sweetie...you BAD GIRL [and I LOVE it]
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Pittsburghese would be..."Yinz from Newyork an'at?" NOTE: New York is one word in Pittsburghese...
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When my oldest met Mrs WAR who was then Potential Mrs. WAR he was 6. We were in a restaurant and when the bill came they brought little hard candies...Potential Mrs. WAR grabbed the one in the yellow cellophane and said, "Mmmm...buttah scotch" [she's from Staten Island]...I have never since seen my son laugh so hard...he must have gone through every word in the English language with Potential Mrs. WAR to hear how she said it...
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Well thank you for being a gentleman Lib. I see the ever graceful, friendly and hospitable war is here. Ok.. well, As far as war goes: "there but for the grace of God, goes I". I was invited here, I assume I am welcomed here just like everyone else... and I assume my role is to help my fellow poster make this a fun site, and one that encourages other people to join in. I am sure the site host doesn't go to the effort to have a site- just to have one person posting the same personal attacks over and over. I have no reason to address war on any topic , at any time for any reason. No doubt there are people who enjoy his unique point of view, and I won't try to stand in the way of someone who might want to read what he has to say. As far as me being some sort of *war reject* outcast.. heh.. darn "tootin I am. I would never want to march to the beat of that drum. Merry Christmas Lib and thank you for the fellowship here. :)
"Joisey" spoken by someone in SI would immediately identify them as a transplant to the South Shore via the Guniea Gangplank aka the Verrazano Bridge. If there is any place in NY which pronounces it "Joisey" then it would be either Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst. But it's a pronounciation I hear more from people outside the region than I do within...
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It is and so it is in that spirit that I observe that were you to play that role properly then you should have politely demurred the invitation....
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Yeah? And I hear the Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale, real cheap! Ask the diva why she opused 4um...?
And just for the record - I was already here - I did not follow her here. Nor did I follow her to 4um. I was already there too. Nor did I follow her to Outcasts. I was already there. Need I continue?
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=111349&Disp=343#C343 #343. To: christine (#312) Hmm.. sure christine. i guess i am just a little confused because you allowed mel to be here to stir up shit against me.. and allow this sam person to call me every name in the book and to talk about someone killing liberator... But i can't talk about the real stalking and real harassment? Ok. If Mel_living~ and her games are protected here, and all of her screen names, are protected posters here than that tells me everything about this forum that I need to know. And again, I wish you much happiness with your forum, but it isn't someplace that I am comfortable posting. Thank you for your time. Please close my account. Thank you. diva betsy ross posted on 2009-12-05 9:29:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I'll tell you why you're here, christine got tired of you and buck doggin mel and making assinine attempted murder charges against her, and instead of ceasing your stalking and BS, you chose to leave 4um and come here, of all places, right here where your target is....mel! WHY? Why would you leave 4um and come here where you knew mel was, the very object of your opus from 4um? WHY? Was it because if you continued there christine would have eventually kicked your ass out? How long do you think Stone would put up with such behavior here, accusations of MURDER?
IMO The only "good" thing that any decent person can say about that vile beyond mere words TRASH aka "war", is that "he" is consistently a vile lefturd creep. It's pretty obvious that "he" has seriously severe mental issues.
Esse Quam Videri.
I hit the wrong reply button. I was hoping this wouldn't start for at least a week, but it is better to tend to business now and get it done and over with. War and I are the reason she told 4um she left LP. Of course, I had been at 4um for quite some time and I don't know why she showed up there. Then she left 4um - because I was there. So why is she here? That is an excellent question; however, I doubt you will get an honest answer.
lol...Mad Dog - He is consistant.
Dude, it's obvious to everyone but you (and a few of your fellow mental patients here) that you are pretty much insane.
War and I are the reason she told 4um she left LP. Of course, I had been at 4um for quite some time and I don't know why she showed up there. Then she left 4um - because I was there. So why is she here? That is an excellent question; however, I doubt you will get an honest answer. I just think it's better to stop this BS before it even gets started here. If she's honest about being a part of LF and having fun, then so be it, but if she's here to just stir up more shit from other sites, the she has no one to blame but herself how she is treated...no one likes to be accused of such horrible crimes by anonymous posters and dogged all over the internet with it...
What the heck was the topic of this thread again?
LOL..I guess Harold Zinn and some of Hollyweirds trash put some of us in a very nasty mood....&;-)
You're probably on her bozo filter now. And you are correct. It's always better to take steps to prevent a situation than to let it happen. I tell my kids that all the time.
kewl...now I think I'm going to chill awhile...
Love the pic!
This is a cute kitty. She's a Munchkin. Her legs are so short her belly rubs on the ground. Umm Murron- i left 4um for a number of reason. When i posted i was leaving- i was invited here. There was no concern about who i am , or my posting style by the person who invited me here. I was invited here by someone who is trying to grow this site- and I suspect that he wants to grow it into something more than the same food fight by the same posters- over and over. Just for your own notes- those posters are dead to me. ok? I won't be posting to them. If you notice, i have not directed one comment to either of those posters and this will be the last time I direct anything to you. I don't really know who you are or why you follow me around, or what your schick is.. but have fun. I have nothing to say to you. Now- if you have other concerns about why I am here, perhaps you should take it up with the site owner, instead of all of the drama queen stuff. Really- can you grown up a little? I, personally think is childish and rude to the person who is trying to grow a site.
Palo,go to the post office web site at www.usps.com and click on the get a shipping estimate link. Anything you can fit into one of the 3 different sized Priority Mail boxes the USPS will furnish you for free will be delivered anywhere in the country within 3 days at a flat rate of less than 15 bucks. The only restrictions are it must fit into one of their flat rate boxes and weigh less than 70 lbs per box. You can use your own box if the flat rate boxes they give you are too small and still mail the stuff out using Priority Mail,but the price will be higher. It will still get there within 3 days,though. You can even order the free flat rate boxes on line and have them delivered to your house by your regular mailman,and you can print out the shipping label and pay for the shipping on line,too. Not to mention notify your local post office that you have a package for them to pick up the next day.
I used to get the strangest looks when I tried to get Russian women to say "squirrel" for me. It's a Rocky and Bullwinkle thing from my childhood.
LOL! Oh biffy boy you cut me to the quick DUDE. /S LOL! Esse Quam Videri.
The dumb shill never has taken the time to read even an online dictionary to see the definition for irony. He uses that word about as often as and huh?? A sampling of some of his "bigger" words he is "so proud" of. his repeated obama sycophantic bleatings are beginning to rival those of the vapid 2 legged vertical obama campaign yardsign fka GO65.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Hi Pete
GO suck a yuktard Puppy Chow...
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Yup,and despite all their bleatings,all they can do is try and spin and distort in order to change the focus of what you write. They can't list his bleeping accomplishments and qualifications because he doesn't HAVE any. He might as well be a Bush. Which is why I sometimes refer to him as Bush 4.0
Ahhh,but the odds of chance say you are bound to get lucky occasionally.
An industry that is based on nepotism lectures others to open up. The only good liberal is one in heaven.
----------------------------------------------------------- By definition a liberal is someone who cannot enter heaven. You have to believe in God first.
LOL True that!
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GREAT! If you are really here to be amongst your friends and enjoy yourself - Welcome to Liberty's Flame and have a great time!
Funny sh*t. Never heard it put quite like that. If there is any place in NY which pronounces it "Joisey" then it would be either Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst. You're right; "Joisey" is a mostly Brooklynese kinda thing, a la Mel Blanc, aka Bugs Bunny. More fun to blame "Joisey" on Jerseyans themselves.
Can't you just let this go??? Geeeez......
ROFL
Here - I'll make it better for you... In the spirit of Christmas and all...
A leopard can't hide her spots. Mel, the woman has said not a word to you. Why must you continue to instigate and fan the flames of enmity?
In the spirit of Christmas and all... Will I see Santa in the clouds?
Did you know Santa is real? Not the Santa that's commercialized with the red suit and stuff. That's a childrens story, but Santa is really real.
It's disappointing to find out his "gift" wasn't. Oh well - live and learn.
He came through the neighborhood when I was 7 and brought me a Holy Hobby doll. That was real. What did he bring you that was fake?
He'll be on other threads still touting the nothingness. I'm a bit surprised our resident GO65 wannabe didn't go with the laughingstock Nobel nonsense:)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
Lib- as you know this little drama has gone on for quite a long time- It started when I was a poster at Clown Posse. You know that I was at FR for many years- and I was banned from FR and showed up at LP..My first post there was to You- and that was before I was at CP- then I went to CP.. I have posted at all of the FR off shoots, as diva betsy ross - because that is where the posters I know go ,and that is the name people know me as. I have never lied about one thing I have posted about- so there you go. :) Not one thing. I will say this and then leave it. Nothing that person says about me is true and she plays lots of games. I am perfectly fine to leave her on bozo and let her say whatever she wants to say. God knows who i am, and I know who i am. I am good with that. I know the disruptions from the thread topic, to yet another personal attack - can be annoying- but that is what some people use the net for- to attack people. It is what it is. Save your energy, friend, for a battle you can win. HOW so ever~ I will do my part- and ignore her. ok? You got it. And Merry Christmas from me and Santa.
My belief is different from yours
I am curious Mel, what do you mean by Santa is real?
...new glasses.
Of course. That's what he does. It's his reason to exist on the internet. All the while pretending to be a unbiased and non-partisan independent.
DAMN! And here I was thinking I could save money to buy a hearing aid! Now I find out I need need glasses again. If I can ever manage to get my hands on that SOB Father Time,he's going to be in a world of hurt. Payback is going to be epic.
Hi Palo, I'm sure you have heard the story of Nicholas, who later became known as Saint Nicholas? That is where the modern day Santa Claus stories derived from. Just in case you haven't, I will post it here for you. It's a wonderful story. Read it when you have time and I hope you enjoy it! Who is St. Nicholas? The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships. Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals52;murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar). Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need. One story tells of a poor man with three daughters. In those days a young woman's father had to offer prospective husbands something of value52;a dowry. The larger the dowry, the better the chance that a young woman would find a good husband. Without a dowry, a woman was unlikely to marry. This poor man's daughters, without dowries, were therefore destined to be sold into slavery. Mysteriously, on three different occasions, a bag of gold appeared in their home-providing the needed dowries. The bags of gold, tossed through an open window, are said to have landed in stockings or shoes left before the fire to dry. This led to the custom of children hanging stockings or putting out shoes, eagerly awaiting gifts from Saint Nicholas. Sometimes the story is told with gold balls instead of bags of gold. That is why three gold balls, sometimes represented as oranges, are one of the symbols for St. Nicholas. And so St. Nicholas is a gift-giver. One of the oldest stories showing St. Nicholas as a protector of children takes place long after his death. The townspeople of Myra were celebrating the good saint on the eve of his feast day when a band of Arab pirates from Crete came into the district. They stole treasures from the Church of Saint Nicholas to take away as booty. As they were leaving town, they snatched a young boy, Basilios, to make into a slave. The emir, or ruler, selected Basilios to be his personal cupbearer, as not knowing the language, Basilios would not understand what the king said to those around him. So, for the next year Basilios waited on the king, bringing his wine in a beautiful golden cup. For Basilios' parents, devastated at the loss of their only child, the year passed slowly, filled with grief. As the next St. Nicholas' feast day approached, Basilios' mother would not join in the festivity, as it was now a day of tragedy. However, she was persuaded to have a simple observance at home52;with quiet prayers for Basilios' safekeeping. Meanwhile, as Basilios was fulfilling his tasks serving the emir, he was suddenly whisked up and away. St. Nicholas appeared to the terrified boy, blessed him, and set him down at his home back in Myra. Imagine the joy and wonderment when Basilios amazingly appeared before his parents, still holding the king's golden cup. This is the first story told of St. Nicholas protecting children52;which became his primary role in the West. Another story tells of three theological students, traveling on their way to study in Athens. A wicked innkeeper robbed and murdered them, hiding their remains in a large pickling tub. It so happened that Bishop Nicholas, traveling along the same route, stopped at this very inn. In the night he dreamed of the crime, got up, and summoned the innkeeper. As Nicholas prayed earnestly to God the three boys were restored to life and wholeness. In France the story is told of three small children, wandering in their play until lost, lured, and captured by an evil butcher. St. Nicholas appears and appeals to God to return them to life and to their families. And so St. Nicholas is the patron and protector of children. Several stories tell of Nicholas and the sea. When he was young, Nicholas sought the holy by making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. There as he walked where Jesus walked, he sought to more deeply experience Jesus' life, passion, and resurrection. Returning by sea, a mighty storm threatened to wreck the ship. Nicholas calmly prayed. The terrified sailors were amazed when the wind and waves suddenly calmed, sparing them all. And so St. Nicholas is the patron of sailors and voyagers. Other stories tell of Nicholas saving his people from famine, sparing the lives of those innocently accused, and much more. He did many kind and generous deeds in secret, expecting nothing in return. Within a century of his death he was celebrated as a saint. Today he is venerated in the East as wonder, or miracle worker and in the West as patron of a great variety of persons-children, mariners, bankers, pawn-brokers, scholars, orphans, laborers, travelers, merchants, judges, paupers, marriageable maidens, students, children, sailors, victims of judicial mistakes, captives, perfumers, even thieves and murderers! He is known as the friend and protector of all in trouble or need. Sailors, claiming St. Nicholas as patron, carried stories of his favor and protection far and wide. St. Nicholas chapels were built in many seaports. As his popularity spread during the Middle Ages, he became the patron saint of Apulia (Italy), Sicily, Greece, and Lorraine (France), and many cities in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Russia, Belgium, and the Netherlands (See list). Following his baptism in Constantinople, Vladimir I of Russia brought St. Nicholas' stories and devotion to St. Nicholas to his homeland where Nicholas became the most beloved saint. Nicholas was so widely revered that more than 2,000 churches were named for him, including three hundred in Belgium, thirty-four in Rome, twenty-three in the Netherlands and more than four hundred in England. Nicholas' tomb in Myra became a popular place of pilgrimage. Because of the many wars and attacks in the region, some Christians were concerned that access to the tomb might become difficult. For both the religious and commercial advantages of a major pilgrimage site, the Italian cities of Venice and Bari vied to get the Nicholas relics. In the spring of 1087, sailors from Bari succeeded in spiriting away the bones, bringing them to Bari, a seaport on the southeast coast of Italy. An impressive church was built over St. Nicholas' crypt and many faithful journeyed to honor the saint who had rescued children, prisoners, sailors, famine victims, and many others through his compassion, generosity, and the countless miracles attributed to his intercession. The Nicholas shrine in Bari was one of medieval Europe's great pilgrimage centers and Nicholas became known as "Saint in Bari." To this day pilgrims and tourists visit Bari's great Basilica di San Nicola. Through the centuries St. Nicholas has continued to be venerated by Catholics and Orthodox and honored by Protestants. By his example of generosity to those in need, especially children, St. Nicholas continues to be a model for the compassionate life. Widely celebrated in Europe, St. Nicholas' feast day, December 6th, kept alive the stories of his goodness and generosity. In Germany and Poland, boys dressed as bishops begged alms for the poor52;and sometimes for themselves! In the Netherlands and Belgium, St. Nicholas arrived on a steamship from Spain to ride a white horse on his gift-giving rounds. December 6th is still the main day for gift giving and merrymaking in much of Europe. For example, in the Netherlands St. Nicholas is celebrated on the 5th, the eve of the day, by sharing candies (thrown in the door), chocolate initial letters, small gifts, and riddles. Dutch children leave carrots and hay in their shoes for the saint's horse, hoping St. Nicholas will exchange them for small gifts. Simple gift-giving in early Advent helps preserve a Christmas Day focus on the Christ Child. Oh shut up... I welcomed you to the forum.
Good now that you have a copy the next step is for you to follows its directions... [snicker]
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Esse Quam Videri.
No Vana...I'll solve the puzzle... GO FUCK YOURSELF... [snicker] Next thing to backfire on you will be what?
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Esse Quam Videri.
War ... the machine --- pantload !
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#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#5. To: Joe Snuffy (#4)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Matt Damon, Benjamin Bratt, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, Bruce Springsteen
#7. To: Murron (#6)
#8. To: Joe Snuffy (#7)
The so called "Civil Rights" movement was in really a Marxist-Trotskyite "Community Organized" movement..
#9. To: Joe Snuffy (#1)
"Zinn was born to a Jewish immigrant family in Brooklyn."
#10. To: A K A Stone, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#0)
The accompanying curriculum guide for schools that show "The People Speak" in classrooms, for example, highlights an 1852 reading from abolitionist Frederick Douglass:
#11. To: Joe Snuffy (#7)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#0)
"We're dreamers," writes Zinn. "We want it all. We want a peaceful world. We want an egalitarian world. We don't want war. We don't want capitalism. We want a decent society."
#14. To: sneakypete (#10)
Frederick Douglass:
#15. To: sneakypete, war (#10)
The television special featuring performances by Matt Damon, Benjamin Bratt, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, Bruce Springsteen and others condemns the nation's past of oppression by the wealthy, powerful and imperialist and instead trumpets the voices of America's labor unions, minorities and protesters of various stripes.
#16. To: Liberator (#15)
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 appellation ap-uh-LAY-shun , noun;
1. The word by which a particular person or thing is called and known; name; title; designation.
2. The act of naming.
Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
#17. To: mel (#16)
I dated a guy from Jersy when I was younger. Jerry. He was such a great guy! Very smart, too.
#18. To: Liberator (#14)
The man became a wealthy landowner BE-CAUSE OF America's system. And like his contemporary ilk who still moan and b*tch about the "unfairness" and "meanness" of America and it's "Dead White Founders", none of them would trade places in Africa with ANY African King. It appears America really IS "The Land of Opportunity".
#19. To: sneakypete (#10)
Mostly NYC and northern NJ. That ain't America.
#20. To: war (#19)
Mostly NYC and northern NJ. That ain't America.
#21. To: Liberator (#17)
(Edited)
Btw, it's "Joisey" if he's from northern NJ.
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 appellation ap-uh-LAY-shun , noun;
1. The word by which a particular person or thing is called and known; name; title; designation.
2. The act of naming.
Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
Not true.
#23. To: Liberator (#17)
Btw, it's "Joisey" if he's from northern NJ.
#24. To: mel (#21)
Burl NJ
#25. To: sneakypete (#20)
You are so ignorant and mis-educated
#26. To: war (#24)
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#28. To: war (#25)
You are so ignorant and mis-educated
#29. To: mel (#26)
#30. To: sneakypete (#28)
Strange that you mention irony,but seem to be blind to it.
#31. To: sneakypete (#28)
Taken at your local China Outlet Mall?
#32. To: war (#31)
#33. To: war (#31)
#34. To: Sarajevo, war (#32)
LOL! Real-tree camo coveralls.........beats spandex any day!
#35. To: sneakypete (#33)
When did you travel to America?
#36. To: sneakypete (#34)
War thinks cammo clothing looks like a rusted out Honda Civic or a fire hydrant.
#37. To: sneakypete (#34)
#38. To: war (#35)
When did you travel to America?
#39. To: sneakypete (#38)
Even you say you don't know what America is.
#40. To: war (#37)
#41. To: sneakypete (#38)
#42. To: sneakypete (#40)
thought I'd wear the red shoes on my trip to NYC so I would fit in with the local commies.
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#44. To: All (#43)
#45. To: war (#29)
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#47. To: mel (#45)
North Jersey, South Jersey, makes no difference to me.
#48. To: mel (#46)
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#51. To: war (#50)
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#52. To: war (#50)
QUICK: Tell me about what a fuckwad nasty evil person I am but that Jesus will change my heart as he did yours...
#53. To: Murron, war (#52)
You do know that you are 'Sexually Dysfunctional' now? ...
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#54. To: mel, war (#53)
You do know that you are 'Sexually Dysfunctional' now? ...
#55. To: Murron (#52)
You do know that you are 'Sexually Dysfunctional' now? ...
#56. To: mel (#53)
War's gonna get laid tonight!
#57. To: war (#55)
C'mon...it's the best 10 seconds of my life 3x's a week...
#58. To: Murron (#54)
#59. To: Murron, war (#57)
C'mon...it's the best 10 seconds of my life 3x's a week...
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#60. To: mel (#59)
#61. To: mel, war (#53)
Oh sheet! War's gonna get laid tonight!
#62. To: war (#23)
The only people who say "Joisey" are those who are not from there but are trying to do what is a bad imitation of a person who actually is from "Jah- zee"...
#63. To: mel (#27)
Got crack?
#64. To: sneakypete (#28)
Taken at your local China Outlet Mall?
#65. To: war, mel (#29)
That's South Jersey...right outside Philly...they drink wooder down there and not wahtuh as they should...
#66. To: Liberator (#63)
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#69. To: Liberator (#65)
Hmmm....in north Joisey we'd call it "water."
#70. To: mel (#67)
Whatta ya do? Work your way from bottom to top?
#71. To: Liberator (#14)
Still, Frederick Douglass' life is a fascinating story - especially the latter years:
I did not know any of this
thank you very much for posting it
Love, Palo
#72. To: All (#67)
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#75. To: mel (#72)
geeze --- I didn't mean that the way it sounds --- I was talking about reading the thread, not anything else...
#76. To: Liberator (#62)
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#78. To: mel (#66)
I have seen some disgusting things in stores around here. You learn real wuick where to shop and where not to shop by the class of the customers.
#79. To: war (#77)
I'm RIGHT handed, clown...
#80. To: Liberator (#74)
How yoo doo-in'?
Jeez I musta lost my NYC accent
is that how I usedta talk
did you ever watch The Nanny, lol that is the Flushing accent
I have it too
#81. To: Liberator (#78)
The "freak and hairies, fags and fairies" need to shop somewhere too.
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#82. To: war (#58)
10 seconds
#83. To: war (#49)
Hey...I think one of your reasons for 2xBozo just showed up...I have 2 as well, btw...
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#84. To: war (#76)
I'm "from" Pittsburgh and there is no "oy" in Jahzee...Boston would say it JawC, btw...and Vermont JAAAWsee...
#85. To: Palo Verde, war (#82)
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#87. To: Palo Verde (#80)
I am from Flushing Queens did you ever watch The Nanny, lol that is the Flushing accent I have it too
#88. To: Liberator, war (#69)
(Liberator) Hmmm....in north Joisey we'd call it "water."
same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
(that was how I said "quarter")
and the guy next to me "accused" me of making up a phony New York accent
lol I was so surprised because I didn't even realize was talking "funny"
#89. To: Sarajevo, war, sneakypete (#32)
LOL! Real-tree camo coveralls.........beats spandex any day!
#90. To: Palo Verde (#88)
I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
#91. To: Liberator (#87)
Flushing...Mets territory.
I think at one time they had a Worlds Fair in that area
because some structures were left over from the Worlds Fair
as little kid I swam at the Aquacade, which was huge swim pool, with 3 diving boards, one as high as the sky
I don't know what the World's Fair did with it, but why would it have been built in the middle of a swamp except for the Worlds Fair
#92. To: mel (#86)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
#93. To: Palo Verde (#91)
I would ride my bike to Shea stadium I think at one time they had a Worlds Fair in that area because some structures were left over from the Worlds Fair as little kid I swam at the Aquacade, which was huge swim pool, with 3 diving boards, one as high as the sky I don't know what the World's Fair did with it, but why would it have been built in the middle of a swamp except for the Worlds Fair
#94. To: mel (#86)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
I was in Hoboken twice I think
and once in Jersey City
but just visiting friends who had moved there from Chicago
I guess to hear the NJ accent I would have to go to supermarket there
Oddly enuf, here in Tucson every time I open up my mouth
someone asks "are you from New Jersey?"
hahaha maybe they have not heard of NYC in Tucson
and only know New Jersey
#95. To: Liberator, Mel (#92)
(Mel) I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
they beat you up there just for sport
I woulda had a terrible time there, I would have come out to play as a kid with my brand new Spaldeen
and tough Baltimore girls would have kicked my ass for no reason at all
#96. To: mel (#85)
It's not the last 10 seconds that count. It's what happens before those 10 seconds that makes a difference. ;-)
:)
#97. To: sneakypete, war (#20)
#98. To: sneakypete (#40)
Why? I thought I'd wear the red shoes on my trip to NYC so I would fit in with the local commies.
#99. To: Liberator (#97)
I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.)
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#100. To: Liberator (#90)
(Palo) I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end of water
same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
Same in da Bronx.
and yet in Coney Island they say soda as "soder"
#101. To: mel (#99)
That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first.
I'm going to go wash my eyes now.
just admiring Liberator's post about Frederick Douglass
i thought this was an educational thread
I don't know how you got me talkin' dirty :)
#102. To: war, diva betsy ross (#50)
QUICK: Tell me about what a f**kwad nasty evil person I am but
that Jesus will change my heart as he did yours...
#103. To: Palo Verde, Murron, war (#101)
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#104. To: Liberator, war, sneakypete (#97)
(liberator to war and sneakypete)
Pete and war are hilarious together
#105. To: Palo Verde, Liberator (#101)
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#106. To: mel, sneakypete, war, palo verde (#99)
Palo: "lol, yup that's when it gets 'dirty'" :)
#107. To: Liberator (#106)
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#108. To: mel (#103)
Actually, Murron started it in a post to war.
I just carried it a bit further. ;-)
#109. To: Palo Verde (#108)
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#110. To: All (#108)
I am Jewish girl and know nothing
but hubby is Catholic, so of course his sister is too
(or was, now she is Born Again)
Christmas is big deal to her and her family
it used to be whenever I bought gifts for her or her husband
she said she'll save it till Christmas to open it
so I got out of the habit of making myself go to post office right away when I bought them stuff
should I include them in her Christmas package now?
my second question is if I find all the stuff I bought her and hubby
and bring it to PO today or tomorrow
will they get it before Christmas?
(I live in Tucson, they are in San Diego)
other question, is it tragic if it arrives right after Christmas?
Love, Palo
#111. To: mel (#109)
hehe - I guess my head is in the gutter today. WooHoo!
with bedroom eyes and beautiful voice
then it turned into x-rated movie
#112. To: Palo Verde (#110)
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#113. To: Palo Verde (#111)
yes you started out romantically all about your dreamy New Jersey boyfriend
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#114. To: mel, Palo Verde, war (#103)
#115. To: mel (#112)
Pack it all up and send it tomorrow. It should be there by Wednesday next week. Yes, even the summer stuff.
OK I'll get off forum now and try to find all the stuff
it's buried under clutter
Thanks Mel you saved me
I love you
Palo
#116. To: Murron (#114)
"I think we are really very lonely women. It happens with women, many times, when the children leave the home. We don't have any hobbies- we've allowed our sexuality to dry up and die.. and we've lost our sense of humor and adventure.
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#117. To: Palo Verde (#115)
Thanks Mel you saved me
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#118. To: mel (#116)
That sounds like something a pretend shrink would say
#119. To: Murron (#118)
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#122. To: Liberator (#79)
Forgotten last night's "date" so soon?
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#128. To: Liberator (#92)
#129. To: diva betsy ross, mel, Murron (#127)
I was invited here...and I assume my role is to help my fellow poster make this a fun site
#130. To: war (#129)
dbr: "I was invited here...and I assume my role is to help my fellow poster make this a fun site"
#131. To: war, Murron (#129)
I was invited here...and I assume my role is to help my fellow poster make this a fun site
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#132. To: war, diva betsy ross, mel, AKA Stone (#129)
diva betsy ross: "and I assume my role is to help my fellow poster make this a fun site"
#133. To: Murron, foul beyond mere words TRASH aka war, diva betsy ross, mel, AKA Stone (#132)
#134. To: Murron (#132)
Why would you leave 4um and come here where you knew mel was, the very object of your opus from 4um?
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#135. To: Mad Dog (#133)
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#136. To: Mad Dog (#133)
Chasing Nuts Around the Interweb for Years
#137. To: mel (#134)
I was hoping this wouldn't start for at least a week, but it is better to tend to business now and get it done and over with.
#138. To: Biff Tannen (#136)
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#139. To: mel (#138)
What the heck was the topic of this thread again?
#140. To: Murron (#137)
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#141. To: mel (#140)
You're probably on her bozo filter now.
#142. To: Murron (#141)
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#146. To: war (#126)
Mrs. WAR grabbed the one in the yellow cellophane and said, "Mmmm...buttah scotch" [she's from Staten Island]...I have never since seen my son laugh so hard...he must have gone through every word in the English language with Potential Mrs. WAR to hear how she said it...
#147. To: Biff Tannen (#136)
#148. To: sneakypete (#28)
LOL. Strange that you mention irony,but seem to be blind to it.
#149. To: sneakypete (#145)
Thank you
I followed your instructions to a T
everything worked out perfectly
You are the best
Love, Palo
#150. To: Mad Dog (#133)
#151. To: e_type_jag (#148)
his repeated obama sycophantic bleatings are beginning to rival those of the vapid 2 legged vertical obama campaign yardsign fka GO65.
#152. To: Palo Verde (#149)
I followed your instructions to a T everything worked out perfectly
#153. To: A K A Stone (#0)
(Edited)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#154. To: WhiteSands (#153)
The only good liberal is one in heaven.
#155. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#156. To: vile beyond mere words TRASH aka war (#150)
#157. To: diva betsy ross, Murron (#144)
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Just for your own notes- those posters are dead to me. ok? I won't be posting to them.
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#158. To: war (#128)
Guniea Gangplank aka the Verrazano Bridge.
#159. To: mel (#157)
#160. To: e_type_jag (#148)
his repeated obama sycophantic bleatings are beginning to rival those of the vapid 2 legged vertical obama campaign yardsign fka GO65.
#161. To: Liberator (#159)
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#162. To: mel (#157)
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Now - If you are really here to be amongst your friends and enjoy yourself - Welcome to Liberty's Flame and have a great time!
#163. To: mel (#161)
Here - I'll make it better for you...
#164. To: Liberator (#163)
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#165. To: mel (#164)
Did you know Santa is real?
#166. To: Liberator (#165)
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#167. To: sneakypete (#151)
he doesn't HAVE any.
#168. To: Liberator (#162)
#169. To: A K A Stone (#154)
By definition a liberal is someone who cannot enter heaven. You have to believe in God first.
I believe God created Heaven as our natural home
that we lived there before we came into the world, and return there when we leave it
that we all came from Heaven, and all of us return there
Love, Palo
#170. To: mel (#164)
Did you know Santa is real? Not the Santa that's commercialized with the red suit and stuff. That's a children's story, but Santa is really real.
Who is Santa?
Love, Palo
#171. To: sneakypete (#34)
You can see that?
#172. To: e_type_jag (#167)
He'll be on other threads still touting the nothingness.
#173. To: Sarajevo (#171)
...new glasses.
#174. To: Palo Verde (#170)
I am curious Mel, what do you mean by Santa is real?
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#175. To: diva betsy ross (#168)
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#176. To: Mad Dog (#156)
#177. To: war (#176)
#178. To: Mad Dog (#177)
Would you like to buy a vowel?
#179. To: vile beyond mere words TRASH aka war (#178)
#180. To: Mad Dog (#179)
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