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Title: Celebs to kids: America stinks! '55 rich white men drafted Constitution to protect their class – slaveholders'
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Drew Zahn
Post Date: 2009-12-15 08:24:43 by A K A Stone
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Hollywood celebrities and education gurus have teamed together to distribute to schools across the country a dramatic new curriculum that casts American history as an epic march of victims seeking to shrug off the shackles of the warmongering, racist, capitalist, imperialist United States. The History Channel's airing of the "The People Speak" last night marks the public coming-out party of a movement that has been in place since last year to teach America's school children a "social justice" brand of history that rails against war, oppression, capitalism and popular patriotism. The television special featuring performances by Matt Damon, Benjamin Bratt, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, Bruce Springsteen and others condemns the nation's past of oppression by the wealthy, powerful and imperialist and instead trumpets the voices of America's labor unions, minorities and protesters of various stripes. The accompanying curriculum guide for schools that show "The People Speak" in classrooms, for example, highlights an 1852 reading from abolitionist Frederick Douglass: What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour. The program and discussion guide is the most ambitious resource among many offered to America's schools by the Zinn Education Project, a collaboration of Rethinking Schools and Teaching for Change, as part of a push to encourage history instruction based on educator Howard Zinn's 1980 tome exposing the abuses of America's past, "A People's History of the United States." The project states its goal is to "introduce students to a more accurate, complex and engaging understanding of United States history than is found in traditional textbooks and curricula. … Zinn's 'A People's History of the United States' emphasizes the role of working people, women, people of color and organized social movements in shaping history. Students learn that history is made not by a few heroic individuals, but instead by people's choices and actions, thereby also learning that their own choices and actions matter." Tell Americans what they need to hear with WND's "No Hope in Socialism" magnetic bumper sticker The History Channel, furthermore, touts "The People Speak" as a program that "gives voice to those who spoke up for social change throughout U.S. history, forging a nation from the bottom up with their insistence on equality and justice. … 'The People Speak' illustrates the relevance of these passionate historical moments to our society today and reminds us never to take liberty for granted." The celebrities featured in "The People Speak" claim the stories of bold protesters and oppressed minorities and workers are "inspiring," while Zinn himself has stated that casting history as a people's movement toward change offers hope. Critics of the Zinn Project, however, warn that the curriculum is more about pushing Zinn's admitted pacifist and socialist agenda on the next generation. Michelle Malkin blasts "The People Speak" as an effort to promote "Marxist academic Howard Zinn's capitalism-bashing, America-dissing, grievance-mongering history textbook, 'A People's History of the United States.' … Zinn's work is a self-proclaimed 'biased account' of American history that rails against white oppressors, the free market and the military." The first two pages of Zinn's book demonstrate why Malkin and other critics might judge "A People's History of the United States" as inherently socialist propaganda: "These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like the Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable … for their hospitality, their belief in sharing," Zinn writes. "These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus." "The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?" Zinn writes, before pointing out of 1492 Spain, "Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were two percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land." The curriculum accompanying Zinn's book also contains questions and activities that recast American history in a victim vs. oppressor light: "In one article included at the Zinn Education Project website, I describe how I introduce my classes to the problematic notion of Columbus' 'discovery of America,'" writes Bill Bigelow, curriculum editor of Rethinking Schools magazine and author of an article the project recommends reading to understand its goals, "A People's History, A People's Pedagogy." "I steal a student's purse," Bigelow continues. "I do everything I can to get students to agree with me that 'Nomika's' purse is in fact my purse: I demonstrate that I control it; I take items out and claim them (Nomika has been alerted in advance, but other students don't know that), and I insist that it is my purse. "When I lose this argument with the class, I offer to 'recast the act of purse acquisition,' and tell students that I didn't steal Nomika's purse, I discovered it. Now it's mine, right?" he explains. He continues: "'So,' I ask them, 'if I didn't discover Nomika's purse, then why do some people say that Columbus discovered America? What are some other terms that we could use to describe his actions?' He stole America; he took it; he ripped it off; he invaded it. "In a five- or ten-minute simulation," Bigelow concludes, "students can begin to see what Howard Zinn argues throughout his work: that how we frame the past invariably takes sides. And when we use terms like 'discovery' – or even the seemingly more neutral 'encounter' – our language sides with the ones who came out on top." Zinn himself explains his approach, "I prefer to try to tell the story of the discovery of America from the viewpoint of the Arawaks, of the Constitution from the standpoint of the slaves, of Andrew Jackson as seen by the Cherokees, of the Civil War as seen by the New York Irish, of the Mexican War as seen by the deserting soldiers of Scott's army, of the rise of industrialism as seen by the young women in the Lowell textile mills, of the Spanish-American war as seen by the Cubans, the conquest of the Philippines as seen by the black soldiers on Luzon, the Gilded Age as seen by southern farmers, the First World War as seen by socialists, the Second World War as seen by pacifists, the New Deal as seen by blacks in Harlem, the postwar American empire as seen by peons in Latin America." A new approach to patriotism Howard Zinn While critics have alleged Zinn's education plan tears down America and its famous founders, a lesson plan titled "Unsung Heroes" begins with "an essay by Zinn defending his philosophy of education. Zinn writes, "A high school student recently confronted me: 'I read in your book "A People's History of the United States" about the massacres of Indians, the long history of racism, the persistence of poverty in the richest country in the world, the senseless wars. How can I keep from being thoroughly alienated and depressed?' "It's a question I've heard many times before," Zinn writes. "Another question often put to me by students is: 'Don't we need our national idols? You are taking down all our national heroes – the Founding Fathers, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy.' Granted, it is good to have historical figures we can admire and emulate. But why hold up as models the 55 rich white men who drafted the Constitution as a way of establishing a government that would protect the interests of their class – slaveholders, merchants, bondholders, land speculators?" Curriculum writer Bill Bigelow further explains of the popular perception of what it means to be patriotic, "There is a lot of 'us,' and 'we,' and 'our,' as if the texts are trying to dissolve race, class and gender realities into the melting pot of 'the nation.'" But Bigelow rejects the idea of identifying America as one, solid union. "A people's history and pedagogy ought to allow students to recognize that 'we' were not necessarily the ones stealing land, dropping bombs or breaking strikes," he concludes. "'We' were ending slavery, fighting for women's rights, organizing unions, marching against wars, and trying to create a society premised on the Golden Rule." His point is crystallized in a lesson plan he created for the Zinn project about the Pledge of Allegiance called "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" The plan points out that the lesson's title was actually a chant that followed the original Pledge – written in 1892 – as schoolchildren saluted with an extended arm, palm downward. The traditional gesture was replaced by a hand to the heart, the lesson points out, after Germany's Nazis began using the same salute to shout "Heil Hitler!" in the 1930s. "It seems to me that teachers ought to know something about the history of the Pledge before we ask our students to repeat it," Bigelow writes. "How has it been used, and by whom? Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the 'One Language!' chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge." The curriculum itself instructs students: "Read over the original words of the Pledge. In 1892, who did and did not have liberty and justice in the United States? (In the 1880s in the South, over 100 African Americans were lynched yearly; segregation was the norm and would soon be ratified by the U.S. Supreme Court in Plessy v. Ferguson. Women could not vote. In the previous 50 years, Mexicans had been stripped of land and property in what had been their country. Discrimination and violence against Chinese immigrants had grown increasingly severe. In the summer of 1892, 8,000 Pennsylvania National Guardsmen had helped Henry Clay Frick break the union at the Carnegie Steel Co. in Homestead, Pa.) How about in the 1920s, when the Pledge was introduced more widely into the schools?" The spread of the Zinn Educational Project According to a Zinn Educational Project report, in April 2008, with support from an anonymous donor, ZEP partnered with 32 organizations to offer 31,000 teachers and teacher educators free packets for instilling the "people's history" in schools across the country. The ZEP reports it quickly received requests for its available 4,000 free packets, nearly half of which were sent to schools in California, New York and Illinois. A graphic illustrating where ZEP sent the packets is below: The first two pages of Zinn's book demonstrate why Malkin and other critics might judge "A People's History of the United States" as inherently socialist propaganda: "These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like the Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable … for their hospitality, their belief in sharing," Zinn writes. "These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus." "The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?" Zinn writes, before pointing out of 1492 Spain, "Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were two percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land." The curriculum accompanying Zinn's book also contains questions and activities that recast American history in a victim vs. oppressor light: "In one article included at the Zinn Education Project website, I describe how I introduce my classes to the problematic notion of Columbus' 'discovery of America,'" writes Bill Bigelow, curriculum editor of Rethinking Schools magazine and author of an article the project recommends reading to understand its goals, "A People's History, A People's Pedagogy." "I steal a student's purse," Bigelow continues. "I do everything I can to get students to agree with me that 'Nomika's' purse is in fact my purse: I demonstrate that I control it; I take items out and claim them (Nomika has been alerted in advance, but other students don't know that), and I insist that it is my purse. "When I lose this argument with the class, I offer to 'recast the act of purse acquisition,' and tell students that I didn't steal Nomika's purse, I discovered it. Now it's mine, right?" he explains. He continues: "'So,' I ask them, 'if I didn't discover Nomika's purse, then why do some people say that Columbus discovered America? What are some other terms that we could use to describe his actions?' He stole America; he took it; he ripped it off; he invaded it. "In a five- or ten-minute simulation," Bigelow concludes, "students can begin to see what Howard Zinn argues throughout his work: that how we frame the past invariably takes sides. And when we use terms like 'discovery' – or even the seemingly more neutral 'encounter' – our language sides with the ones who came out on top." Zinn himself explains his approach, "I prefer to try to tell the story of the discovery of America from the viewpoint of the Arawaks, of the Constitution from the standpoint of the slaves, of Andrew Jackson as seen by the Cherokees, of the Civil War as seen by the New York Irish, of the Mexican War as seen by the deserting soldiers of Scott's army, of the rise of industrialism as seen by the young women in the Lowell textile mills, of the Spanish-American war as seen by the Cubans, the conquest of the Philippines as seen by the black soldiers on Luzon, the Gilded Age as seen by southern farmers, the First World War as seen by socialists, the Second World War as seen by pacifists, the New Deal as seen by blacks in Harlem, the postwar American empire as seen by peons in Latin America." A new approach to patriotism While critics have alleged Zinn's education plan tears down America and its famous founders, a lesson plan titled "Unsung Heroes" begins with "an essay by Zinn defending his philosophy of education. Zinn writes, "A high school student recently confronted me: 'I read in your book "A People's History of the United States" about the massacres of Indians, the long history of racism, the persistence of poverty in the richest country in the world, the senseless wars. How can I keep from being thoroughly alienated and depressed?' "It's a question I've heard many times before," Zinn writes. "Another question often put to me by students is: 'Don't we need our national idols? You are taking down all our national heroes – the Founding Fathers, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy.' Granted, it is good to have historical figures we can admire and emulate. But why hold up as models the 55 rich white men who drafted the Constitution as a way of establishing a government that would protect the interests of their class – slaveholders, merchants, bondholders, land speculators?" Curriculum writer Bill Bigelow further explains of the popular perception of what it means to be patriotic, "There is a lot of 'us,' and 'we,' and 'our,' as if the texts are trying to dissolve race, class and gender realities into the melting pot of 'the nation.'" But Bigelow rejects the idea of identifying America as one, solid union. "A people's history and pedagogy ought to allow students to recognize that 'we' were not necessarily the ones stealing land, dropping bombs or breaking strikes," he concludes. "'We' were ending slavery, fighting for women's rights, organizing unions, marching against wars, and trying to create a society premised on the Golden Rule." His point is crystallized in a lesson plan he created for the Zinn project about the Pledge of Allegiance called "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" The plan points out that the lesson's title was actually a chant that followed the original Pledge – written in 1892 – as schoolchildren saluted with an extended arm, palm downward. The traditional gesture was replaced by a hand to the heart, the lesson points out, after Germany's Nazis began using the same salute to shout "Heil Hitler!" in the 1930s. "It seems to me that teachers ought to know something about the history of the Pledge before we ask our students to repeat it," Bigelow writes. "How has it been used, and by whom? Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the 'One Language!' chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge." The curriculum itself instructs students: "Read over the original words of the Pledge. In 1892, who did and did not have liberty and justice in the United States? (In the 1880s in the South, over 100 African Americans were lynched yearly; segregation was the norm and would soon be ratified by the U.S. Supreme Court in Plessy v. Ferguson. Women could not vote. In the previous 50 years, Mexicans had been stripped of land and property in what had been their country. Discrimination and violence against Chinese immigrants had grown increasingly severe. In the summer of 1892, 8,000 Pennsylvania National Guardsmen had helped Henry Clay Frick break the union at the Carnegie Steel Co. in Homestead, Pa.) How about in the 1920s, when the Pledge was introduced more widely into the schools?" The spread of the Zinn Educational Project According to a Zinn Educational Project report, in April 2008, with support from an anonymous donor, ZEP partnered with 32 organizations to offer 31,000 teachers and teacher educators free packets for instilling the "people's history" in schools across the country. The ZEP reports it quickly received requests for its available 4,000 free packets, nearly half of which were sent to schools in California, New York and Illinois. A graphic illustrating where ZEP sent the packets is below: The ZEP website boasts many of the teachers have begun implementing the curriculum and has published the following testimonials: "These resources are an asset," reportedly responded Meaghan Martin, an elementary school teacher in Manassas, Va. "We are always looking for ways to offer students a critical perspective. The unsung heroes unit is outstanding! I have tailored it to meet the needs of my 2nd graders when we study American biographies." Lara Emerling, a middle school teacher in Baltimore, Md., reportedly replied, "Knowing that resources like the Zinn Education Project exist make me feel so hopeful about the network of people who are engaged in this kind of dialogue with their students. I am a young, white female living in Baltimore and teaching at an all black middle school. These resources are so valuable to me personally and to the relationships being built between the students and the faculty. Thank you to everyone involved in keeping this collaboration evolving!" Zinn himself has testified of his hope that the project will continue to spread. "We're dreamers," writes Zinn. "We want it all. We want a peaceful world. We want an egalitarian world. We don't want war. We don't want capitalism. We want a decent society."
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#72. To: All (#67)
geeze --- I didn't mean that the way it sounds --- I was talking about reading the thread, not anything else...
I'm in the 20 percentile? Cool. We need more of a sampling.
Hey Palo...thanks... How yoo doo-in'?
I knew what you meant...ALTHOUGH....;-)
I'm "from" Pittsburgh and there is no "oy" in Jahzee...Boston would say it JawC, btw...and Vermont JAAAWsee...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
I'm RIGHT handed, clown...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
The "freak and hairies, fags and fairies" need to shop somewhere too. (Alvin Lee, 'I'd Love To Change The World')
That's your mirror, Sparky. Forgotten last night's "date" so soon?
Hi cookie but I am from Flushing Queens Love, Palo
I pulled a little summer job at a Dollar General for a friend of mine who managed the place. It seems not many people can pass background checks these days. Anyway, this one gal - older - never bathed - never brushed her hair - came into the store one day wearing cowboy boots and a short - see - through nighty. No - she's not hot - We had to make her leave and threated to call the police when she refused. I mean, Dollar General is not a porn shop - there's kids in the store.
Einstein claims time is relative :)
Actually, the number went up to 3. I think it's a good thing.
But you're a Pittsburgh/New Yawkah hybrid, arentcha? I even went to school out there...briefly. Lemme call my bro in-law in PA about his Pittsburghese pronunciation. "Jahzee"?? Hmmm...."JawC" in Boston - I'll concede. Vermont? Ya got me. For all I know they pronounce it "Jawwwerzzzay."
It's not the last 10 seconds that count. It's what happens before those 10 seconds that makes a difference. ;-)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
Flushing...Mets territory. Yaeh, I've watched and hoid the Nanny...still retain a bit of that Queens accent? It's cute. It's kinda sounds like the Bronx accent, the borough where many of cousins lived. They'd say, "jaw-knee pump" instead of "fire hydrant."
I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end when I first moved to Tucson I still had very strong NYC accent, I was at Swap Meet my first week here and I asked my husband for a "quata"
I gotta agree. LOL...
Absolutely right. Same in da Bronx. the guy next to me "accused" me of making up a phony New York accent lol I was so surprised because I didn't even realize was talking "funny" That's hilarious.
Yes I would ride my bike to Shea stadium
Probably from Jersey City, Hoboken or Bayonne. Or even Staten Island.
Wow, you were really nearby... Odd how some relics remained just where they were at the World's Fair...like the Unisphere. I understand there's still an underground tunnel leading to exhibits as well.
I don't really know the New Jersey accent
(Liberator) Probably from Jersey City, Hoboken or Bayonne. Or even Staten Island. there used to be very tough Irish girls in Coney Island and way west in midtown Manhattan (Hell's Kitchen) but my husband is from Baltimore Flushing wasn't like that, they were all like Fran in "the Nanny"
lol, yup that's when it gets "dirty"
Typically hilarious exchange/post between youse guys. I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.)
Bwaahaa! And coincidentally, a perfect match with the one-piece red spandex suit.
That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first. I'm going to go wash my eyes now.
(Liberator) Absolutely right. you are right, Lib
lol it's all your fault Mel I started out on this thread as sweetness and light
I'm
throwing a flag on this play. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT. BTW, I've never heard
the of word "f*ckwad." Hmm....oh yes I have. IN HIGH SCHOOL. My bad, William
Actually, Murron started it in a post to war. I just carried it a bit further. ;-)
Typically hilarious exchange/post between youse guys. I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.) me too, Lib
Oh - and Liberator didn't help any either.
Me: [" I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.) "] That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first. I'm going to go wash my eyes now. Ummmm....yeah. :-)
ROTFLMAO!
lol you changed the focus :)
hehe - I guess my head is in the gutter today. WooHoo!
OK I a need some help about Christmas presents My question now is I bought her summer clothes in summer Thanks in advance
yes you started out romantically all about your dreamy New Jersey boyfriend
Pack it all up and send it tomorrow. It should be there by Wednesday next week. Yes, even the summer stuff. And no, it's not tragic if it gets there after Christmas. It's exciting to get gifts after Christmas because you don't expect them. They kinda become more special that way. That's how it is for me and my kids anyway.
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#73. To: war (#69)
#74. To: Palo Verde (#71)
#75. To: mel (#72)
geeze --- I didn't mean that the way it sounds --- I was talking about reading the thread, not anything else...
#76. To: Liberator (#62)
#77. To: Liberator (#61)
#78. To: mel (#66)
I have seen some disgusting things in stores around here. You learn real wuick where to shop and where not to shop by the class of the customers.
#79. To: war (#77)
I'm RIGHT handed, clown...
#80. To: Liberator (#74)
How yoo doo-in'?
Jeez I musta lost my NYC accent
is that how I usedta talk
did you ever watch The Nanny, lol that is the Flushing accent
I have it too
#81. To: Liberator (#78)
The "freak and hairies, fags and fairies" need to shop somewhere too.
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#82. To: war (#58)
10 seconds
#83. To: war (#49)
Hey...I think one of your reasons for 2xBozo just showed up...I have 2 as well, btw...
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#84. To: war (#76)
I'm "from" Pittsburgh and there is no "oy" in Jahzee...Boston would say it JawC, btw...and Vermont JAAAWsee...
#85. To: Palo Verde, war (#82)
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#86. To: Liberator, war (#84)
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#87. To: Palo Verde (#80)
I am from Flushing Queens did you ever watch The Nanny, lol that is the Flushing accent I have it too
#88. To: Liberator, war (#69)
(Liberator) Hmmm....in north Joisey we'd call it "water."
same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
(that was how I said "quarter")
and the guy next to me "accused" me of making up a phony New York accent
lol I was so surprised because I didn't even realize was talking "funny"
#89. To: Sarajevo, war, sneakypete (#32)
LOL! Real-tree camo coveralls.........beats spandex any day!
#90. To: Palo Verde (#88)
I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
#91. To: Liberator (#87)
Flushing...Mets territory.
I think at one time they had a Worlds Fair in that area
because some structures were left over from the Worlds Fair
as little kid I swam at the Aquacade, which was huge swim pool, with 3 diving boards, one as high as the sky
I don't know what the World's Fair did with it, but why would it have been built in the middle of a swamp except for the Worlds Fair
#92. To: mel (#86)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
#93. To: Palo Verde (#91)
I would ride my bike to Shea stadium I think at one time they had a Worlds Fair in that area because some structures were left over from the Worlds Fair as little kid I swam at the Aquacade, which was huge swim pool, with 3 diving boards, one as high as the sky I don't know what the World's Fair did with it, but why would it have been built in the middle of a swamp except for the Worlds Fair
#94. To: mel (#86)
I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
I was in Hoboken twice I think
and once in Jersey City
but just visiting friends who had moved there from Chicago
I guess to hear the NJ accent I would have to go to supermarket there
Oddly enuf, here in Tucson every time I open up my mouth
someone asks "are you from New Jersey?"
hahaha maybe they have not heard of NYC in Tucson
and only know New Jersey
#95. To: Liberator, Mel (#92)
(Mel) I know a gal from there who calls it Joisey - cute as button with a mean streak you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of - a lot of fun to hang out with. I love the accent.
they beat you up there just for sport
I woulda had a terrible time there, I would have come out to play as a kid with my brand new Spaldeen
and tough Baltimore girls would have kicked my ass for no reason at all
#96. To: mel (#85)
It's not the last 10 seconds that count. It's what happens before those 10 seconds that makes a difference. ;-)
:)
#97. To: sneakypete, war (#20)
#98. To: sneakypete (#40)
Why? I thought I'd wear the red shoes on my trip to NYC so I would fit in with the local commies.
#99. To: Liberator (#97)
I'd much rather pay to see you guys on the road going at it than Dubya and Bubba proposed road-show (ok, but they're two stiffs anyway.)
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#100. To: Liberator (#90)
(Palo) I think in NYC we didn't pronounce the "r" at the end of water
same with quarter -- no "r" at end or in middle either
Same in da Bronx.
and yet in Coney Island they say soda as "soder"
#101. To: mel (#99)
That post reads differently when you read Palo's just above it first.
I'm going to go wash my eyes now.
just admiring Liberator's post about Frederick Douglass
i thought this was an educational thread
I don't know how you got me talkin' dirty :)
#102. To: war, diva betsy ross (#50)
QUICK: Tell me about what a f**kwad nasty evil person I am but
that Jesus will change my heart as he did yours...
#103. To: Palo Verde, Murron, war (#101)
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#104. To: Liberator, war, sneakypete (#97)
(liberator to war and sneakypete)
Pete and war are hilarious together
#105. To: Palo Verde, Liberator (#101)
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#106. To: mel, sneakypete, war, palo verde (#99)
Palo: "lol, yup that's when it gets 'dirty'" :)
#107. To: Liberator (#106)
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#108. To: mel (#103)
Actually, Murron started it in a post to war.
I just carried it a bit further. ;-)
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#110. To: All (#108)
I am Jewish girl and know nothing
but hubby is Catholic, so of course his sister is too
(or was, now she is Born Again)
Christmas is big deal to her and her family
it used to be whenever I bought gifts for her or her husband
she said she'll save it till Christmas to open it
so I got out of the habit of making myself go to post office right away when I bought them stuff
should I include them in her Christmas package now?
my second question is if I find all the stuff I bought her and hubby
and bring it to PO today or tomorrow
will they get it before Christmas?
(I live in Tucson, they are in San Diego)
other question, is it tragic if it arrives right after Christmas?
Love, Palo
#111. To: mel (#109)
hehe - I guess my head is in the gutter today. WooHoo!
with bedroom eyes and beautiful voice
then it turned into x-rated movie
#112. To: Palo Verde (#110)
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