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Title: "Best Critique of Evolution You Will Ever Hear"
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Published: Sep 1, 2017
Author: PNN
Post Date: 2017-09-01 17:33:27 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I have been saying this for decade or more. Evolution only works with in species and there has never been a species to species change.

Faith is faith. They claim science when in fact it is no different than religious faith. Creationism should be taught right along with evolutionism because both are just as plausible as the other.

Justified  posted on  2017-09-01   18:54:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Justified (#1)

The problem with creationism is that it pretty much cannot be proven. I've considered it a "default" theory, which can be embraced when no other theory, such as evolution, is found to be satisfactory.

If one is to embrace creationism because of lack of satisfactory proof of evolution, then a logical question is, if proof is a requirement to believe, then where is the proof of creationism?

The narrator asks if evolution observable, demonstratable, repeatable and quantifiable, but those requirements are completely lacking in creationism. To be fair, one must judge both by the same measure, and creationism most certainly fails on all 4 points.

So far as I know, evolution theory does have more to explain than has been explained thus far, namely how a new species can arise that has more genetic coding than the species it supposedly evolved from. On the other hand, science is claiming that much unused genetic material exists in plants and animals. For example, chicken DNA supposedly has coding for growing teeth. I would consider DNA coding for teeth in chickens to be evidence in support of evolution. I also read that Bananas, have about 50% more DNA material than us humans do, in spite of being a far simpler form of life.

I do understand why it is important for bible-believing Christians that creationism be the explanation for the origin of life, and it's because it's the only way man (us) can have an immortal soul existence. If all life is simply a complex biochemical reaction, and man evolved from animals, then we are the same as animals and face the same fate as animals. We live and die, gone forever. A very bleak thing indeed.

My personal understanding and outlook on the matter allows both for evolution and an immortal soul existence, without any conflict whatsoever. The human race may well have evolved from apes and lower life forms, including bacteria without compromising us as immortal soul entities. And frankly it makes a huge amount of sense. And, Ironically, it does allow for both evolution and intelligent design. I consider it possible that it is a combination of the two.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-02   0:15:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

The problem with creationism is that it pretty much cannot be proven.

I do understand why it is important for bible-believing Christians that creationism be the explanation for the origin of life, and it's because it's the only way

If there were any conflicts with science and creationism then people would abandon it.

But there aren't.

Evolution is a theory that has been disproved and for which there is zero zilch nada no evidence.

I understand why it is important for atheists to cling to evolution and other wacky fantasies. They don't want to be accountable and they reject the truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-02   0:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#6)

Evolution is a theory that has been disproved and for which there is zero zilch nada no evidence.

What is the evidence for creationism?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-02   5:10:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#8)

Here is how creationism works. There were people in the past who wrote down what happened in the Bible. If those things written are true then there should be some things in this world that we can observe to see if what is written is possible. Let's start with the population of earth. How long does it take for earth population to double. If we started with two people or better yet 8 people that were on the Ark. Is there enough time elapsed to account for the current population. Yes there is. I'm on a tablet so you can find your own links or do your own math of you wish. The timeline liberals give us with evolution is billions of years. Not sure how many years they say humans have been around. It changes constantly with those folks. Anyhow their math doesn't add up. Not enough people.

Let's take another example. The Bible says there was a world wide flood. If that were true what would you expect to find? Millions of dead Thom Mgs buried in mud laid out by water all over the earth. That is what you find. If there weren't dead creatures all over the earth buried in mud then we could conclude the Bible is a fable. But there are dead things buried in mud all over the earth.

There are no conflicts with the Bible and science. There are too many to count with the evolution fairy tale.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-02   7:57:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Here is how creationism works. There were people in the past who wrote down what happened in the Bible. If those things written are true then there should be some things in this world that we can observe to see if what is written is possible.

I see it this way: A long time ago, as intellect grew, people started to question their identity and sought to explain why things, both good and bad, happened to them. Without much in the way of scientific understanding, and yet with intuitive understanding that they were indeed spiritually special (yet not understanding why), parents likely created stories for their children to teach them lessons or satisfy their curiosity, or compel them to perform better. With each passing generation, stories were modified and enhanced, adding new elements and removing bad ones.

The biblical book of Genesis is the result of one such story (actually two versions of creation are in the bible, the second beginning in chapter 2, verse 4, I think it is. At least, if one begins reading at that point, it reads as though it's the start of a new story of creation, though the two versions do not really conflict with one another).

Other cultures worldwide had their own versions of man's origins, but perhaps in part because the people now known as ancient Israelites had the ability to write and record, and because of just how world events eventually shaped as Rome adopted Christianity, what is currently in the bible became a very popular standard.

Let's start with the population of earth. How long does it take for earth population to double. If we started with two people or better yet 8 people that were on the Ark. Is there enough time elapsed to account for the current population. Yes there is. I'm on a tablet so you can find your own links or do your own math of you wish. The timeline liberals give us with evolution is billions of years. Not sure how many years they say humans have been around. It changes constantly with those folks. Anyhow their math doesn't add up. Not enough people.

Let's take another example. The Bible says there was a world wide flood. If that were true what would you expect to find? Millions of dead Thom Mgs buried in mud laid out by water all over the earth. That is what you find. If there weren't dead creatures all over the earth buried in mud then we could conclude the Bible is a fable. But there are dead things buried in mud all over the earth.

With evolution, the definition of "human" is ultimately subjective, I think. But in estimating population growth, one must account for harsh living conditions (the earth was supposedly in an ice age from about 110,000 years ago until just 11,000 years ago, not that long before man reached civilized status, which may not be any coincidence) and much shorter average lifespans.

In any event, just because some evidence is consistent with a claim, that does not prove the claim is true. In the case of the great flood, there is evidence that the surface of the Black Sea used to be below the ocean sea level, and was flooded in a few weeks time when the Mediterranean sea finally breached a separating mountain ridge. Certainly any people fleeing and surviving that kind of flood would have been compelled to explain why it happened, and that event may have been a legendary origin for the story of Noah. There are other cultures that also have a story about a great flood, not just the biblical one (though to be fair, the biblical account states that all cultures after the flood were descended from Noah, so they would naturally be knowledgeable of the biblical account).

There are no conflicts with the Bible and science. There are too many to count with the evolution fairy tale.

It depends on who you ask. To me it is quite reasonable that the universe is as old as it is large, and the literal take of the Bible that the earth was just 6000 years old has never, ever struck me as a reasonable suggestion.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-02 11:48:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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