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Title: Toppling of Confederate Statues Accelerates Nationwide
Source: Chicago Tribune
URL Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ ... ue-removal-20170815-story.html
Published: Aug 15, 2017
Author: Jesse J. Holland
Post Date: 2017-08-15 10:16:48 by Willie Green
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Views: 4311
Comments: 21

In Gainesville, Florida, workers hired by the Daughters of the Confederacy chipped away at a Confederate soldier's statue, loaded it quietly on a truck and drove away with little fanfare.

In Baltimore, Mayor Catherine Pugh said she's ready to tear down all of her city's Confederate statues, and the city council voted to have them destroyed. San Antonio lawmakers are looking ahead to removing a statue that many people wrongly assumed represented a famed Texas leader who died at the Alamo.

Some people refused to wait. Protesters in Durham, North Carolina, toppled a nearly century-old statue of a Confederate soldier Monday at a rally against racism. Activists took a ladder up to the statue and used a rope to pull down the Confederate Soldiers Monument that was dedicated in 1924. A diverse crowd of dozens cheered as the statue of a soldier holding a rifle fell to the ground in front of an old courthouse building that now houses local government offices.

The deadly white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, is fueling another re-evaluation of Confederate statues in cities across the nation, accelerating their removal in much the same way that a 2015 mass shooting by a white supremacist renewed pressure to take down the Confederate flag from public property.

"We should not glorify a part of our history in front of our buildings that really is a testament to America's original sin," Gainesville Mayor Lauren Poe said Monday after the statue known as "Old Joe" was returned to the United Daughters of the Confederacy, which erected it in 1904.

A county spokesman said he did not know if the statue was removed because of the events that killed one person and injured dozens more Saturday in Charlottesville. But many officials who were horrified by the confrontation soon began publicizing plans to take down statues.

The Southern Poverty Law Center last year counted more than 1,500 things around the country named after Confederate figures or dedicated to the Confederacy, including holidays, statues, flags and the names of cities, counties, schools and parks. Nearly half are monuments, which are in 24 states. Most of the dedications are in the South, but 24 are in the North and 21 in states that did not exist at the time of the Civil War.

"These monuments, memorials and markers represent a time in our history that caused pain to so many," she said Monday.

Lexington, Kentucky, Mayor Jim Gray moved up his announcement by a day in reaction to the weekend bloodshed. Memorials to John C. Breckinridge and John Hunt Morgan are perched outside a former courthouse that was the site of slave auctions before the Civil War.

San Antonio Councilman Robert Trevino is promoting a measure that would remove the Confederate statue at the center of Travis Park, where for years people have mistakenly identified the figure as being that of Col. William Travis, a Texas hero who died at the Alamo.

"This is not an important art piece, but a monument to power. It was put in to remind people of that power. It is an unfortunate message of hate, and we think it's important to relocate it." Trevino said Monday. "We do think that history is important so we're looking for an appropriate location for it."

St. Louis dismantled its Confederate Monument in Forest Park in June, giving it to the Missouri Civil War Museum after years of debate.

In Baltimore, Pugh announced Monday that she would move forward with the removal of Baltimore's statues of Roger B. Taney, a Marylander who wrote the 1856 Dred Scott supreme court ruling that denied citizenship to African-Americans, and a statue of two Virginians, Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.

Pugh said she was making plans to send the statues to cemeteries with Confederate dead outside the city. But hours later, the city council voted unanimously to have the statues destroyed instead of moved. It was unclear whether anything would happen to the statues immediately.

Seconds after the monument fell in Durham on Monday, protesters began kicking the crumpled bronze monument.

In response, Democratic North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper tweeted: "The racism and deadly violence in Charlottesville is unacceptable but there is a better way to remove these monuments."

Back in May, New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu moved his city's four main Confederate statues, including a statue of Lee, at night after threats of violence from Confederate sympathizers and white supremacists. Pugh said she is consulting with Landrieu, now head of the U.S. Conference of Mayors, about the removal of Baltimore's statues and the cost.

The violence in Charlottesville will probably speed up efforts to do away with the monuments, experts said.

The convergence of white nationalists and neo-Nazis with Confederate imagery in Charlottesville will make it difficult for government agencies to defend having Confederate statues on their property, Boston University history professor Heather Cox Richardson said.

"The idea that this somehow is about Southern heritage, I think that ship sailed," said Richardson, who teaches and writes about the Civil War, Reconstruction and Southern politics.

Violence and death changes things, agreed University of Georgia political science professor M.V. "Trey" Hood III.

Photos of gunman Dylan Roof, who fatally shot nine black churchgoers in South Carolina, showed him with a Confederate flag and triggered a swift "sea change" in perception of the banner, Hood said.

Then-South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley successfully led calls to bring down a Confederate flag that had flown on Statehouse grounds for 54 years. Other cities and organizations began accelerating their removal of Confederate imagery following Roof's arrest.

Now local officials will find it harder to ignore or shelve questions about Confederate statues, Richardson said.

"It was always possible for people to look the other way," she said. "After Charlottesville, I do not see how Americans can look the other way. You have to make a choice at this moment."


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Vae victis.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-15   10:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

" Vae victis "

I don't think this situation is over. I suspect it is going to have a very unpleasant ending.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-08-15   10:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Stoner (#2)

I don't think this situation is over. I suspect it is going to have a very unpleasant ending.

Yes. Might will make right, as it always does. And then more vae victis, as always. There is nothing new under the sun.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-15   10:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: wankerWillie gangGreen, fredbot, hondope, zulu, mau mau, hutus, lice, druids, morloks, 666ers (#0)

reminds me

of the lenin sTaTues

in The no longer USSR

The afghani Taliban

wrecking BuddhisT shrines

usa bolshevism

dnc alqueda

has goT To go

love
boris

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BorisY  posted on  2017-08-15   11:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BorisY (#4)

dnc alqueda

The DNC. You're going to focus on the DNC.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-15   12:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#0)

The term "Monkey see,monkey do" comes to mind.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-15   12:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

send

the sTaTue

of the barricades

sTorm The basTille

napoleon

back To The zoo

Africa

Trump Train
boris

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BorisY  posted on  2017-08-15   12:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BorisY (#7)

There's a statue of the barricades? And it came from a zoo? Trump is training in Africa?

What?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-15   14:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Willie Green (#0)

It's amazing how 2 people, each acting alone, can inspire such a history quashing revolution. At least when it's PC to do so. The people what were killed for having a Confederate Flag hanging outside their home a few weeks back certainly weren't granted any social backlash honoring their sympathies.

But Southern sympathizers won't go away. Social outcasting has a way of uniting people in that common cause. Maybe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-15   14:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Willie Green (#0)

If we are going to tear down memorials to all slave owners, there goes the Washington and Jefferson memorials. They would have to come off of money as well.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-15   15:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#10)

Washington & Jefferson didn't commit Treason...
They didn't disavow the US Constitution & rebel against our Union...

Willie Green  posted on  2017-08-15   16:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#9)

But Southern sympathizers won't go away.

Neither will Northern sympathizers, and they are more numerous.

Blacks will never be "reconciled" to the Old South. They will always perceive it as the brutal mortal enemy that it was, and they will always celebrate its destruction, as is their right.

And Northerners with roots back then will likewise.

Truth is, it's a terrible battlefield on which to fight in the present, because the descendants of the original sides are all still locked in their original positions (and the relative numbers have not changed), while well over half of the country are people who are immigrants or who descend from immigrants who came later, and don't give a good goddamn about any of it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-15   16:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green (#11)

Washington & Jefferson didn't commit Treason...

Ever try to explain that to King George?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-15   20:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green (#11)

Washington & Jefferson didn't commit Treason... They didn't disavow the US Constitution & rebel against our Union...

Neither did Robert E. Lee. His state seceded from the union. At that time, federal citizenship was claimed by being a citizen of one of the sovereign states. His state no longer considered itself part of the union.

With the proclamation of a blockade, the CSA was recognized as a lawful belligerent power. A nation does not blockade its own ports. That is an international act, and only an international act. Lincoln declared and nations of the international community declared neutrality.

The domestic act is a closing of the ports. Lincoln declared a closing of the ports just before he was assassinated and the war ended.

OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 3, vol 5, Part 1, page 107

(Union Letters, Orders, Reports)

VII. April 11, 1865.-Closing certain ports.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

A PROCLAMATION.

Whereas, by my proclamations of the nineteenth and twenty-seventh days of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one the ports of the United States in the State of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas were declared to be subject to blockade; but whereas, the said blockade has, in consequence of actual military occupation by this Government, since been conditionally set aside or relaxed in respect to the ports of Norfolk and Alexandria, in the State of Virginia; Beaufort, in the State of North Carolina; Port Royal, in the State of South Carolina; Pensacola and Fernandina, in the State of Florida, and New Orleans, in the State of Louisiana;

And whereas, by the fourth section of the act of Congress approved on the thirteenth of July, eighteen hundred and sixty- one; entitled "An act further to provide for the collection of duties on imports, and for other purposes," the President, for the reasons therein set forth, is authorized to close certain ports of entry:

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim that the ports of Richmond, Tappahannock, Cherrystone, Yorktown, and Petersburg, in Virginia; of Camden (Elizabeth City), Edenton, Plymouth, Washington, New Berne, Ocracoke, and Wilmington, in North Carolina; of Charleston, Georgetown, and Beaufort, in South Carolina; of Savannah, Saint Mary's, and Brunswick (Darien), in Georgia; of Mobile, in Alabama; of Pearl River (Shieldsborough), Natchez, and Vicksburg, in Mississippi; of Saint Augustine, Key West, Saint Mark's (Port Leon), Saint John's (Jacksonville), and Apalachicola, in Florida; of Teche (Franklin), in Louisiana; of Galveston, La Salle, Brazos de Santiago (Point Isabel), and Brownsville, in Texas, are hereby closed, and all right of importation, warehousing, and other privileges shall, in respect to the ports aforesaid, cease, until they shall have again been opened by order of the President; and if, whole said ports are so closed, any ship or vessel from beyond the United States, or having on board any articles subject to duties, furniture, and cargo, shall be forfeited to the United States.

In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington this eleventh day of April, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty- ninth.

[L. S.]

ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

By the President:

WILLIAM H. SEWARD,

Secretary of State.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-16   0:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Willie Green (#0)

In Baltimore, Pugh announced Monday that she would move forward with the removal of Baltimore's statues of Roger B. Taney, a Marylander who wrote the 1856 Dred Scott supreme court ruling that denied citizenship to African-Americans....

Just for the record, the Taney opinion in Scott ruled that the Circuit Court had lacked jurisdiction to hear the case, and accordingly the U.S. Supreme Court also lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. Thus the Supreme Court issued an Order remanding the case to the Circuit Court for that court to dismiss the case for want of jurisdiction.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-16   0:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

In Baltimore, Pugh announced Monday that she would move forward with the removal of Baltimore's statues of Roger B. Taney, a Marylander who wrote the 1856 Dred Scott supreme court ruling that denied citizenship to African-Americans....

Just for the record, the Taney opinion in Scott ruled that the Circuit Court had lacked jurisdiction to hear the case, and accordingly the U.S. Supreme Court also lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. Thus the Supreme Court issued an Order remanding the case to the Circuit Court for that court to dismiss the case for want of jurisdiction.

The truth is always a fluid thing for those with an agenda,ain't it?

We citizens should be looking at the news as a public watchdog over the government to insure they don't go rogue without notice. Instead they have became the prime tool of the out of control rogue government than now RULES OVER US instead of responds to us.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-16   8:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#13)

Ever try to explain that to King George?

F*ck King George...

He was a LOSER... Just like the Confederate rebels..

So they pulled down his statue too, and melted it down to make guns & bullets...

Willie Green  posted on  2017-08-16   9:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Willie Green (#17)

Ever try to explain that to King George?

F*ck King George...

He was a LOSER... Just like the Confederate rebels..

Make up your mind.

Since you are from The Peoples Republic of PA,make sure you get permission,first.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-16   14:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

What?

mikifenn ---- Mikal Gastpipe

Don't underestimate these revolutionaries.

They toppled Russia, China, Cuba ... France during the bloody French Revolution.

Possibly Cambodia all I know about them is they had a horrible Communist dictator, Pol Phat.. Viet Nam is now Communist.

In the USA, the media is on their side along with many liberals. It's sad.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/leftist-violence-goes-mainstream-in-america/? cat_orig=politics

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BorisY  posted on  2017-08-17   14:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BorisY (#19)

Possibly Cambodia all I know about them is they had a horrible Communist dictator, Pol Phat.. Viet Nam is now Communist.

Neither VN or Cambodia is communist these days. Neither is China or Russia,and Venezuela and Cuba are in the process of killing off communism right now. Or in the case of Cuber,waiting for it to die off so they can party like it's 1995.

About the only places you see communism touted as the ideal political system these days is in the US and western Europe.

How freaking ironic is THAT?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-17   19:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20) (Edited)

About the only places you see communism touted as the ideal political system these days is in the US and western Europe.

How freaking ironic is THAT?

ever hear of specious righTs

Josh --- Moralityplease

Equal rights for every individual is not the problem. Everyone should have equal rights.

It is equal outcomes-- government's role in trying to ensure it--that is the poison of our times.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/17/charlottesville-victims- father-quotes-jesuss-words-forgiveness-cross/

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nobody

Our country is in ... the middle of --- a communist takeover.

People wake up and smell the coffee. I am a Vietnam vet (1970) and I recognize communism throughout the Democratic Party who is mainly behind this takeover with help from others like the media and Hollywood.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/trump-country-ripped-apart-by-monument-removals/? cat_orig=us

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