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Title: After Getting Busted for Bombing Syria Based On a Lie, Trump Doubles Down … Threatens to Bomb Syria Even Harder Based On Same BS
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Zero Hedge
URL Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017- ... n-%E2%80%A6-threatens-bomb-syr
Published: Jun 27, 2017
Author: George Washington
Post Date: 2017-06-27 13:53:54 by Deckard
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Views: 5367
Comments: 31
A report yesterday by the Pulitzer-prize winning reporter who broke some of the biggest stories of the Vietnam and Iraq wars showed that Trump bombed Syria on April 4th based upon false pretenses. Specifically, Trump said the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack on civilians, but U.S. military and intelligence officials say that they told Trump there was no evidence for that claim … and they say that what really happened is that Syria bombed Islamic terrorists, and that accidentally released chemicals being stored by the terrorists. So how does Trump respond to the report? He doubles down on the bull … White House spokesman Sean Spicer said tonight: The United States has identified potential preparations for another chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime that would likely result in the mass murder of civilians, including innocent children. The activities are similar to preparations the regime made before its April 4, 2017 chemical weapons attack. [Oh ... you mean the Syria government is planning on bombing Islamic terrorists again?] *** If … Mr. Assad conducts another mass murder attack using chemical weapons, he and his military will pay a heavy price. After Spicer’s statement, Neocon warmonger – and U.S. representative to the U.N. – Nikki Haley tweeted: Any further attacks done to the people of Syria will be blamed on Assad, but also on Russia & Iran who support him killing his own people. Notice that Haley does not say: Any further attacks CARRIED OUT BY THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT and done to the people of Syria will be blamed on Assad, but also on Russia & Iran who support him killing his own people. Anything bad happens - whether it's carried out by Assad, or ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or outside forces trying to destabilize Syria - it will be blamed on Assad as a justification for a lot more bombing. Postscript: This little game has been going on for 68 years. Specifically, the U.S. government has been trying to replace the Syrian government with folks who will be subservient to America since 1949 … 3 years after Syria became an independent nation. The CIA succeeded in carrying out a coup in Syria 1949. In 1957, the American president and British prime minister agreed to launch regime change again in Syria using a false flag. (False flags are not only historically documented, but presidents, prime ministers, congressmen, generals, spooks, soldiers and police have ADMITTED to planning and carrying out false flag attacks). In 1983, 1986, 1991, 2001, 2009 and 2012, American officials again schemed about regime change in Syria.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Syria is a Russian ally, the place where the Russians base their fleet. Syria is also a bitter enemy of Israel, refusing to formally make peace. Syria is a supporter of terrorists who attack Syria and elsewhere. Syria is a dictatorship whose government slaughters its people. So, given all of those things, we have ample reason to destroy the Syrian regime. For us NOT to do so requires a series of moves by the Russians and the Syrians. We will let the Russians keep their base there intact, if they police the Syrian government so that it will do the following: (1) Formally make peace with and recognize Israel, including accepting long- term Israeli policing of the Golan Heights. Syria attacked Israel from the Golan Heights multiple times. They cannot be permitted to simply reassume possession without an Israeli presence. So, governorship can pass, but the Israelis must be permitted to stay, unmolested, as long as it takes to build trust. (2) Expel the terrorists, stop supporting them, kill them. (3) Stop slaughtering their own people, and get rid of all chemical or biological weapons. Do that, and the Syrian regime can be permitted to live, and the Russians have peaceful and unmolested use of their naval base. Everybody is happy and we go home. Anything less, and it looks as though Syrian regime supporters are just going to have to keep on dying, until they accept the terms or are overthrown. We're not going anywhere until we get what we want.
True. Israel is hardly interested in peace themselves so both are guilty. However true this is, it's also true of most every government int he region, including Israel and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is also a dictatorship, and claims that Syria kills it's own people are suspect due to the political forces in play. No we don't, unless we also commit to destroying the Saudi Arabia regime which of course will never happen as long as the SA monarchy remains an "ally" of the USA. Israel will not agree to peace with the current Syrian government no matter what. The Golan Heights is certainly a sticky point Syria will likely never agree to. However reasonable this may seem, Syria will never accept such proposal as it would be very humiliating to them. Syria already fully agreed to get rid of their chem weapons, and Russia supports this as well. By some accounts, this was already done under Obama/Kerry due to a great diplomatic move by Putin vs Kerry which took Kerry off guard. Actually, with Russian support, the pro-Assad forces continue to make gains defeating rebels in Syria. If the momentum continues, ISIS will be defeated in Syria and the only rebels remaining will be US supported rebels, including the Kurds that Turkey hates. At that point, pressure will rise for Assad to attack those rebels, and the risk of a US Russian confrontation will be greater than it is now.
Then the pressure will rise and rise, and the Russians will keep backing away from the confrontation, and the US-backed rebels will continue to be a perpetual thorn in their side, because we are not going anywhere until we get what we want, and we are much more powerful than Russia, so they cannot push us out, and do not dare get into a direct military conflict with America, because if they do, they will lose. So, the war will continue.
It is a very risky assumption. Russians tend to yield, yield and yield. Until the INVISIBLE line is crossed. You never know when you cross it, and perhaps they don't know themselves. It is like handling an explosive substance. Chancellor Bismark said: "the Russians -- slow to the saddle....ride like the wind". "By attacking Russia we would only further consolidate it"
I have no desire to attack Russia. I want peace with Russia. Good relations with Russia regarding Syria does not mean that the US position collapses and Russia gets its way. No. Syria is, and has been, a hub of terror. That must stop. If it can be stopped and the Assad regime left in place, in the end America will tolerate it. But there will be no game playing. Assad doesn't get to be secured in order to continue business as usual, Syria will cease being a safe haven for terrorists. That's the deal. The terrorist sanctuary will be gone. Attacks on Israel will cease. And Assad can retain his position. It's a trade off. There does not seem to be any willing to make that tradeoff. Therefore, Assad will have to die. The US is not going to back down or go away until our central issue is addressed satisfactorily.
So you will get war with Russia. For Russia it is a matter of survival - if West supported rebels or moderate terrorists take over Middle East, Russia will be their next target. It will be more prudent to start fight earlier in Syria than in southern Russia.
Very well then, there will be war with Russia. And if our missile defense is as good as it appears to be, the Russians will lose the war and be exterminated as a race - the Third Rome will be vaporized - while America, scarred but alive - will limp forward. All because no compromise could be reached in Syria. If the Russians want to trade their existence, and all of their children, for Syria, then that is how it will have to be. We will trade a lot of our children, but thanks to modern technology not all of them. We are not going to back down and let the Russians win in Syria. If the price of not doing that is nuclear holocaust, then we will have nuclear holocaust. The land that was formerly Russia will be populated by the Chinese and the Central Asians. America will fill up with Latinos - but that is going to happen anyway. So be it.
Could you elaborate? Well, Russian population is more dispersed and less reliant on technology.
Nah. If the Russians really want a war, they'll get one. They don't. Neither do we. The interests of both in Syria have to be addressed, and a compromise position has to be reached. The notion that Russia will go to the wall, go to nuclear war with the United States if it does not get its way in Syria is absurd, but if it is really so, then we may as well speak in truths: the United States is not going to back down and give up its own interests because the Russians really, really, really mean it. We really, really, really mean it too, and we're not going to chuck aside our interests out of fear of the Russians. We are not afraid of the Russians. We respect them, and we don't want to end up in a war with them. But brinksmanship with the United States simply does not work. We are the most powerful economy and military in the world, and we know it. We're not intimidated by anybody, and we're not going to be. We DO want peace and reasonable solutions. We understand that the Russians need their naval base, and need to have a hand in what happens in Syria, just as we understand that Ukraine, ultimately, is as vital to Russian interests as Canada is to ours. We get it. On this thread, many Americans do not seem to get that we also have vital interests at stake in Syria and the Middle East. There is this weird fantasy that if somehow the United States just dematerialized over there and left, that everything would be tickety-boo. It's ludicrous. In any case, it's a complete fantasy. We are not going anywhere. We have to deal with the Russians, because they can't give up their base, and the Russians and Syrians have to deal with us, because we're not giving up our interests in the Middle East either. Russia seems hellbent on preserving Assad. If that is the case, then the Russians need to give Assad the sort of support that will allow him to rule Syria WITHOUT having to appease the terrorists, without allowing terrorists to set up camp in Syria to attack our allies. We are not going to tolerate that any longer. The outcome will not be that the Russians keep their base, Assad stays, and we return to the game whereby the Syrians practice denial but let the terrorists flourish and train and arm in security in Syria. We are not going to return to the status quo ante. If we have to fight fifteen more years of war and leave the country in ruins, we will do so. That does not have to be the answer, but it WILL BE the answer if there is no agreement by Assad (with Russian backing and pressure) to actually close off Syria as a haven for terror against the West. The arguments that it isn't are stupid. Syria is, and has been, a hub of terrorism for a long time. Now the terror has turned inward and is slaughtering Syrians. And that circumstance is preferable to the circumstance where terrorists are in a safe haven there planning to terrorize us and our allies. Any argument that suggests that the US will have to give in to Russia are likewise ignorant. No, we don't. And we're not going to. What we CAN do is that we can make peace on the terms of a compromise. That's where our energies need to be directed. It's why Trump and Putin getting together and talking geostrategy is important. Muslim places will always be crappy places, but they need not be Russia/US flashpoints.
Well, if you are right, only a few weeks are left. The so called rebels are losing on all fronts. July will be the last window of opportunity for a massive military action in Syria. And look at the complications like Turkish troops in Qatar, Qatar rapprochement with Iran, Kurdish independence ambitions, Saudis bogged in Yemen, etc, etc ... Russians, even if they wanted, will not be able to change course so fast in this game of chicken, especially that victory is within their reach.
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#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Syria is a Russian ally, the place where the Russians base their fleet.
Syria is also a bitter enemy of Israel, refusing to formally make peace.
Syria is a supporter of terrorists who attack Syria and elsewhere.
Syria is a dictatorship whose government slaughters its people.
So, given all of those things, we have ample reason to destroy the Syrian regime.
(1) Formally make peace with and recognize Israel, including accepting long- term Israeli policing of the Golan Heights.
Syria attacked Israel from the Golan Heights multiple times. They cannot be permitted to simply reassume possession without an Israeli presence. So, governorship can pass, but the Israelis must be permitted to stay, unmolested, as long as it takes to build trust.
(2) Expel the terrorists, stop supporting them, kill them.
(3) Stop slaughtering their own people, and get rid of all chemical or biological weapons.
Anything less, and it looks as though Syrian regime supporters are just going to have to keep on dying, until they accept the terms or are overthrown. We're not going anywhere until we get what we want.
#5. To: Pinguinite (#2)
(Edited)
Actually, with Russian support, the pro-Assad forces continue to make gains defeating rebels in Syria. If the momentum continues, ISIS will be defeated in Syria and the only rebels remaining will be US supported rebels, including the Kurds that Turkey hates. At that point, pressure will rise for Assad to attack those rebels, and the risk of a US Russian confrontation will be greater than it is now.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#5)
Then the pressure will rise and rise, and the Russians will keep backing away from the confrontation
#18. To: A Pole (#13)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#18)
I have no desire to attack Russia. I want peace with Russia. Good relations with Russia regarding Syria does not mean that the US position collapses and Russia gets its way.
#25. To: A Pole (#24)
So you will get war with Russia.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#25)
(Edited)
And if our missile defense is as good as it appears to be, the Russians will lose the war
and be exterminated as a race - the Third Rome will be vaporized - while America, scarred but alive - will limp forward
#28. To: A Pole (#27)
Could you elaborate?
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
(Edited)
Any argument that suggests that the US will have to give in to Russia are likewise ignorant. No, we don't. And we're not going to.
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