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Title: Consume Trump’s Presidency
Source: LifeZette
URL Source: https://www.lifezette.com/polizette ... ria-consume-trumps-presidency/
Published: Apr 10, 2017
Author: Kathryn Blackhurst |
Post Date: 2017-04-10 18:11:54 by A Pole
Keywords: war, neocons, Syria
Views: 1070
Comments: 12

Conservative commentator warns president risks war and support of his base with Middle East intervention

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Conservative political commentator Pat Buchanan said a U.S. commitment to the ouster of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and an increased troop presence on the ground would risk pulling the nation into four simultaneous wars, during an interview Monday on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

Buchanan, a former senior adviser to President Reagan, urged President Donald Trump and his administration to exercise the utmost caution in discerning how to move forward on Syria. If Trump continues along the path of major intervention in the Syrian conflict, Buchanan warned of terrible consequences.

“Now you tell me how we win that war and who we put into power after we defeated all six of them?”

“If you try to overthrow Assad, then you will be — the Russians will fight, the Iranians will fight, Hezbollah will fight, obviously Assad and his army and their force will fight,” Buchanan said. “We’ll be fighting all four of them, as well as ISIS and Al-Qaeda and Syria. Now you tell me how we win that war and who we put into power after we defeated all six of them?”

Buchanan noted that several neoconservative U.S. senators — including John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and even Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — expressed varying degrees of glee and support for further U.S. intervention in Syria. Over the weekend, Sen. Graham even went so far as to call for thousands more U.S. troops on the ground in Syria.

“Well, that’s McCain and Graham and Marco Rubio — the War Party,” Buchanan said. “But let me say this, Laura — my view is they’re not going to get the war they want. If Donald Trump, the president, takes us into Syria’s civil war — and he’s already made the first strike — it will consume his presidency.” Audio Player

“So I think that the War Party is going to be frustrated because I cannot believe that Donald Trump on second thought is going to plunge us into Syria, which he told us again and again and again would be an act of folly — that our enemy is ISIS, that our enemy is Al-Qaeda,” Buchanan added. “And we should finish them off.”

Ingraham agreed, saying, “There’s just a number of these people — like Graham, McCain, Rubio, Cory Gardner (R-Colo.)— they are not happy unless America is on the verge of sending like 50,000 troops to the Middle East. I mean, they’re just itching for war with Russia. I’ve never seen anything like this.”

What’s more, Buchanan noted that if Trump ultimately decides to increase U.S. intervention in Syria, he risks losing the base that elected him in the first place.

“And the populists and nationalists out there who feel that their voice — they put out a tremendous amount to put Donald Trump in power,” Buchanan said. “And frankly, if Donald Trump marches us into Syria, he will begin to lose these folks. Their main issues are trade, immigration, and American-first.”

But those key issues, Buchanan said, are not the priorities of some of the people Trump has placed around himself in the White House.

“Those aren’t the views of Mr. [Gary] Cohn of Goldman Sachs,” Buchanan said, referring to one of Trump’s advisers. “And if that becomes the adopted policy of the Trump White House, it won’t be too long before those people will depart.”

Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, reportedly has been engaging in squabbles with chief strategist Stephen Bannon. Reports even circulated last week speculating that Bannon could be on his way out of the White House.

While Kushner adheres to a traditional, establishment worldview, Bannon represents the populist-conservative base that rallied behind Trump and propelled him to the presidency. Buchanan: Goldman Sachs Influence ‘Fatal’ to Trump PresidencyConservatives worry 'America First' voices struggling to beat back Establishment clout in White House

"There's no doubt that Donald Trump is of course enormously supportive of his daughter, and I think he's enormously supportive of and protective of his son-in-law. That's a fight you cannot win," Buchanan admitted. "But I will say this — if they succeed in getting Mr. Bannon and Mr. Bannon has to leave, the shield will be removed from Jared Kushner."

And if that shield is removed, Buchanan warned that the populists will bail on Trump and his remaining administration members. And if Trump engages much further with Syria, his base could retreat even further.

"I think that Trump — I mean, they have to have a second look at this and say, 'Do we really want to start down this road?' Because we all know where this ends," Buchanan said. "And it is obvious where it ends, and that is America inside the Syrian civil war sending in more and more troops."

"And if Trump sees where they're going, then I believe you cannot be blind to seeing where this ends if we keep this up," Buchanan added. "I think he will pull back."

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#1. To: A Pole (#0)

Conservative political commentator Pat Buchanan said a U.S. commitment to the ouster of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and an increased troop presence on the ground would risk pulling the nation into four simultaneous wars, during an interview Monday on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

That is undoubtedly true. But where has Trump said that we're committed to the ouster of Assad?

We launched an airstrike in response to a Sarin gas attack.

If Assad and Putin are smart, they will see to it that Sarin is not used again.

And that is that. Trump did not escalate. He made a narrow point. There's no reason to see it widening into a general war that Trump has already said would be a waste of money.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-10   19:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

If Assad and Putin are smart, they will see to it that Sarin is not used again.

They cannot stop false flag operations from their opponents

A Pole  posted on  2017-04-10   20:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

If Assad and Putin are smart, they will see to it that Sarin is not used again.

By whom?

You're still trying to spread propaganda that Assad is killing off his own people. When Hillary and the American subversives together with the islamic jihadists begin patting Trump on the head for attacking Assad, that tells me we've been had. It also tells me you're working with them.

rlk  posted on  2017-04-10   21:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The people around Trump have said that Assad needs to go. His spokespersons have relayed that to the news, Trump has not denied it.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-04-10   22:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: rlk (#3)

By whom?

You're still trying to spread propaganda that Assad is killing off his own people. When Hillary and the American subversives together with the islamic jihadists begin patting Trump on the head for attacking Assad, that tells me we've been had. It also tells me you're working with them.

You know, when you decide to make it personal wirh that whack-a-doodle stuff about how I am "trying to spread propaganda" you simply lose credibility. You lose it with me - because obviously I know that I am not doing any such thing. And you lose it with any other reader who has seen that sort of childish ad hominem nonsense before. You don't agree, so you attack the person. If you want to stay a marginalized person, then continue to talk to people who disagree with you in this manner. Pretty soon, they won't bother talking to you.

The meaningful content of your "By Whom" question was lost. Here is the answer to the question:

IF the attack was staged by the insurgent/terrorist elements, ISIS etc., then both the Syrians and the Russians have a strong incentive now to move FASTER in winning the war, to deploy more force and use it more aggressively. They have adopted a slow siege approach, to keep down their own costs and casualties. But if ISIS has Sarin and uses it in false flags, and that prompts the Americans to strike again and again at the Syrians, the Russians and Syrians are both left looking weak and incompetent. For Russia to get a win here, it has to be able to protect Syria and assist Syria in winning its civil war. For Syria to win, it has to persuade the rebels that they cannot win. If they US is striking Syria again and again, Assad will not have won.

So, IF ISIS has the gas and is the one using it, then the US airstrike and the warnings means that Russia and Syria have to commit more forces and moving faster to win the war and root out any Sarin gas stores. Syria and Russia winning the Syrian Civil War is good for us, because it ends the flow of refugees, and crushes out the terrorist enclaves.

US airstrikes in response to false flags will force the Russian and Syrian hand to MOVE FASTER.

I don't happen to believe that the Sarin gas was a false flag at all. If ISIS had Sarin gas, they would have used it already in London, Paris, New York or Washington DC. They would not waste it killing nobodies in some nowhere Syrian town. So I think that the Sarin gas attack was an attack by the Syrian government, and that there will never be another one because of the US airstrike. Russia won't let Assad use them again even if he wants to.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-11   6:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A Pole (#2)

They cannot stop false flag operations from their opponents

Yes they can. The false flag operations are launched by ISIS from enclaves that are not yet under Syrian/Russian control. The false flag attacks can be stopped by conquering those enclaves and wiping out the defenders.

I don't believe it was a false flag. If ISIS had Sarin, they'd use it in Jerusalem or London or New York, not Camel Lick, Syria.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-11   8:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

You know, when you decide to make it personal wirh that whack-a-doodle stuff about how I am "trying to spread propaganda" you simply lose credibility. You lose it with me

I can live with it!

You have a great future. You have a capacity to put the smallest thoughts into the most impressive, evasive, and smoothest language imaginable. When Hillary runs again, you ought to sign on as her vice president.

rlk  posted on  2017-04-11   14:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#7)

I can live with it!

I guess you don't have much choice.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-11   14:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

IF ISIS has the gas and is the one using it, then the US airstrike and the warnings means that Russia and Syria have to commit more forces and moving faster to win the war and root out any Sarin gas stores.

Russia and Syria has limited forces. I West keeps on bombing them, Islamists might just win.

I guess this is your real objective. And eradication of the Christians will be a bonus for you.

A Pole  posted on  2017-04-11   20:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

If ISIS had Sarin, they'd use it in Jerusalem or London or New York, not Camel Lick, Syria.

Would they, really?

A Pole  posted on  2017-04-11   20:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A Pole (#9)

No. My real objective is peace with Russai, the defeat of ISIS, and after the terrorists have been defeated, a replacement of the Syrian dictator with a leadership that does not have 50 years of crimes against humanity under its belt. The Russians can keep their base and their influence in Syria.

First, the war has to be won, and Russia and Assad can do that. But subject to rules. Chemical weapons against civilians are off the table. They have to win the war conventionally, without the use of WMD.

Capiche?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-12   6:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A Pole (#10)

Would they, really?

Yes, they would. Which is why I am sure the CIA was right: it was Assad.

And therefore when there are no more Sarin gas attacks in Syria, that will mean that Assad was intimidated by the US airstrike and Russian pressure, and did not do it again, so our airstrike will have successfully accomplished our policy objective: which was to prevent the use of Sarin gas again.

If the terrorists have it, they will use it. If it is never used again, they don't have it, and Assad did it.

I'm will to place bets that it is never used again. The CIA got this one right.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-12   7:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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