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Title: Court Rules in Favor of Police Who Pounded on Wrong Door, Didn’t Identify Themselves, Then Killed Innocent Man for Holding a Gun
Source: From The Trenches/Rutherford Institute
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... nnocent-man-holding-gun/185398
Published: Mar 24, 2017
Author: Nisha Whitehead
Post Date: 2017-03-24 10:26:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 973
Comments: 22

ATLANTA, Ga. — According to a federal appeals court, police will not be held accountable for banging on the wrong door at 1:30 am, failing to identify themselves as police, and then repeatedly shooting and killing the innocent homeowner who answered the door while holding a gun in self-defense. Although 26-year-old Andrew Scott had committed no crime and never fired a single bullet or lifted his firearm against police, he was gunned down by police who were investigating a speeding incident by engaging in a middle-of-the-night “knock and talk” in Scott’s apartment complex.  

In ruling in favor of qualified immunity for police, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit has given law enforcement agencies further incentives to engage in aggressive “knock and talk” practices, which have become thinly veiled, warrantless exercises by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into “talking” with heavily armed police who “knock” on their doors in the middle of the night.

“Government officials insist that there is nothing unlawful, unreasonable or threatening about the prospect of armed police dressed in SWAT gear knocking on doors in the middle of night and ‘asking’ homeowners to engage in warrantless ‘knock-and-talk’ sessions,” said constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of Battlefield America: The War on the American People. “However, as Andrew Scott learned, there’s always a price to pay for saying no to such heavy-handed requests by police. If the courts continue to sanction such aggressive, excessive, coercive ‘knock-and-shoot’ tactics, it will give police further incentive to terrorize and kill American citizens without fear of repercussion.”

On July 15, 2012, Deputy Richard Sylvester spotted a speeding motorcycle while on patrol in Lake County, Florida. Sylvester pursued the motorcycle in his patrol car but lost sight of it. Subsequent reports caused Sylvester to believe that the motorcyclist might be armed, was wanted by another police department, and had been spotted at a nearby apartment complex. Arriving at the complex around 1:30 a.m., Sylvester and three other deputies began knocking on doors close to where a motorcycle was parked, starting with Apartment 114, where a light was on inside.

Apartment 114 was occupied by Andrew Scott and Amy Young, who were playing video games and had no connection to the motorcycle or any illegal activity.

Assuming tactical positions surrounding the door to Apartment 114, the deputies had their guns drawn and ready to shoot. Sylvester, without announcing he was a police officer, then banged loudly and repeatedly on the door, causing a neighbor to open his door. When questioned by a deputy, the neighbor explained that the motorcycle’s owner did not live in Apartment 114. This information was not relayed to Sylvester. Unnerved by the banging at such a late hour, Andrew Scott retrieved his handgun before opening the door. When Scott saw a shadowy figure holding a gun outside his door, he retreated into his apartment only to have Sylvester immediately open fire. Sylvester fired six shots, three of which hit and killed Scott. A trial court subsequently ruled in favor of the police, ruling that Scott was to blame for choosing to retrieve a handgun before opening the door.

On appeal, the Eleventh Circuit ruled that Sylvester was protected by “qualified immunity,” reasoning that the use of excessive force did not violate “clearly established law.” Four judges dissented with the majority’s ruling, likening the “knock and talk” to a “knock and shoot” and rejecting the idea that Scott caused the shooting by exercising his Second Amendment right through his possession of a firearm.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Moral of the story, live in a missle silo, don't open the door.

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Stoner  posted on  2017-03-24   10:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

From another article:

"When the person came to the door, the door was flung open and the occupant in that apartment pointed a gun at the deputy's face ... At that point, the deputy took the action he took, obviously he was in fear for his life, and at that point he shot Mr. Scott,' Herrell said."

I'm thinking that's the wrong way to answer the door -- no matter who's knocking.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   10:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

"When the person came to the door, the door was flung open and the occupant in that apartment pointed a gun at the deputy's face ... At that point, the deputy took the action he took, obviously he was in fear for his life, and at that point he shot Mr. Scott,' Herrell said."

If that's the case for the defense, then it seems to me both were in fear for their lives, and if Scott had shot and killed the cop, he would likewise have been exonerated. And if it was thugs banging on the door to rob the place then having a gun in hand would have been the correct and reasonable course. Unless, of course you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment or the right of one to act in self defense.

Hopefully the city taxpayers will be on the hook to pay off the surviving family because the police created a situation that resulted in the death.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   11:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

"If that's the case for the defense, then it seems to me both were in fear for their lives, and if Scott had shot and killed the cop, he would likewise have been exonerated."

You mean open-the-door-and-shoot?

The cop was in uniform and knocked on the door.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   11:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

You mean open-the-door-and-shoot?

He didn't shoot. He merely trained his gun on the subject, as cops do all the time in a hostile situation.

The cop was in uniform and knocked on the door.

From the prospective of the man killed, it's more accurate to say someone "pounded" on the door at 1:30 AM, after which he retrieved his firearm. He opened the door and was doubtless very surprised to see a man armed with a gun and, if your source is true, reacted instinctively by training his gun on the subject. And whether or not he retreated into his apartment, he then was shot dead.

How quickly he could have ascertained the subject was wearing a police uniform is questionable. How much view he had of the subject is even questionable, as he quite likely only opened the door slightly to see who this "asshole" was pounding on his door at 1:30 in the morning (again from the prospective of any homeowner, anyone pounding on the front door at that hour would be an "asshole").

Anyone could go out and buy a police uniform, so even if he saw the uniform and could think fast enough to NOT react as he did, seeing both the gun and the firearm at the same time, it would not have necessarily been prudent to lower the weapon. Indeed, I'd say this guy had at least as much cause to shoot the cop in this case as the cop had to shoot him, and in fact, moreso. Unfortunately, he didn't have the police training about shooting someone who was a possible threat to his life as the cop did, so he lost without firing a shot.

So much for the "stand your ground" castle doctrine you championed in the theater shooting case.

And all this over a speeding motorcyclist who *may* have been wanted by another police department?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   13:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#1)

Moral of the story, live in a missle silo, don't open the door.

Moral to the story, just don't open the door. What protects you from a standing army is not so much your being armed but that barrier between you and the outside world known as the door. In many areas the "no knock" procedures have been occurring more so than those that have knocked. Even then, you are not obligated to open your doors and really should vet who is on the other side of that door knocking. I have heard of many horror stores involving those impersonating themselves as law enforcement only for the purpose to rob people at gunpoint. So, this really needs to be addressed more openly as the homeowner or renter has just as much of a protective right to protect themselves from assaults and unwarranted searches.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   13:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)

"He opened the door and was doubtless very surprised to see a man armed with a gun ..."

C'mon. We know what happened. Someone was pounding on his door at 1:30 AM and he decided to teach them a lesson by answering the door with a gun pointed at their head. Like "This will show you not to f**k with me late at night!"

Oops. Bad choice. It was an armed cop.

What's the cop supposed to think? The report was that the suspect was armed. The motorcycle was parked right out his door. It was still warm. The cop knocks, the door is jerked open, and there's a gun pointed at his face.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#4)

The cop was in uniform and knocked on the door.

That doesn't mean a damn thing. Anybody can get a police badge and dress up in uniform. You need to do the same vetting of them that you would do for a phone company coming to check those wires not working properly.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   13:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#0)

Court Rules in Favor of Police Who Pounded on Wrong Door, Didn’t Identify Themselves, Then Killed Innocent Man for Holding a Gun

Great! Another example of the rule of law!

rlk  posted on  2017-03-24   13:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: goldilucky (#8)

"You need to do the same vetting of them that you would do for a phone company coming to check those wires not working properly."

You mean stick a gun in their face when they knock on the door?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   13:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

No, when they open the door.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   13:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: goldilucky (#11)

No, when they open the door.

Shoot through the door. Extreme vetting.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#7)

What's the cop supposed to think? The report was that the suspect was armed. The motorcycle was parked right out his door. It was still warm. The cop knocks, the door is jerked open, and there's a gun pointed at his face.

If we are to consider what the cop is supposed to think, then we also need to consider what the homeowner is supposed to think.

What the cop should have thought: "I'm pounding on a door of someone I do not know, who may not be the one I'm looking for, and it's 1:30 in the morning. In this country, the right to keep and bear arms is probably a right people living here have, and I might be scaring them by pounding on the door in a bad neigborhood, so I'm putting my life at risk by doing this, especially since I think it's safer to not ID myself".

That's what the cop should have thought.

What the homeowner should have thought: "Who the hell is pounding on my door at this hour? I hear commotion outside so it may be a bunch of gang members trying to bust in the door, or maybe it's someone that needs my help and it's an emergency. So before I open it, I better get my gun just to be safe."

I know for you the only consideration is what cops are supposed to think, and citizens are always supposed to be able to read the minds of cops because they can see into the future and read your comments here on LF, but sad to say, it doesn't work that way.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: goldilucky (#8)

Anybody can get a police badge and dress up in uniform.

Technically true, but because putting on a police uniform magically transforms the occupant into a law enforcement officer who can do no wrong, ever, it's actually impossible for anyone wearing such a thing to commit a crime or violate someone's rights.

... according to MisterWhite.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#10)

You mean stick a gun in their face when they knock on the door?

Sure. If an off-duty cop had this happen to him at 1:30 AM, you'd find it a reasonable response.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)

"What the homeowner should have thought: "Who the hell is pounding on my door at this hour? I hear commotion outside so it may be a bunch of gang members trying to bust in the door, or maybe it's someone that needs my help and it's an emergency. So before I open it, I better get my gun just to be safe."

I've done that myself late at night. I hold my weapon down by my side, turn on the porch light, and ask who's there. Then I crack open the door with my foot a few inches away to brace it.

What I don't do is throw open the door and point my weapon at their face.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#15)

"you'd find it a reasonable response."

No responsible gun owner would consider that to be a reasonable response to a knock at the door.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   14:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#16)

What I don't do is throw open the door and point my weapon at their face.

No, You'd wait until you got yourself fully inside their home, then hold them at gunpoint while another one assisted you in robbing the place while you distracted them. Because this is what happened to an elderly lady in Los Angeles County. And that was done in broad daylight. The only thing different here with this real scenario is that these robbers were not officers but were posing as Dept of Water and Power employees. :( Poor old lady got ripped off of her money and her jewels. True story cause it made the local news.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   15:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#12)

No, you don't shoot through the door, you ask to see some id.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-03-24   15:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#16)

I've done that myself late at night. I hold my weapon down by my side, turn on the porch light, and ask who's there. Then I crack open the door with my foot a few inches away to brace it.

And after doing all this, what did you then do when you saw them brandishing firearms?

I assume that you've had such visitors in the middle of the night as well.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-24   15:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

"And after doing all this, what did you then do when you saw them brandishing firearms?"

Well, if they responded they were the police and I saw that they were wearing police uniforms, then I guess I would ask them why they're brandishing firearms.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   17:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite (#20)

"I assume that you've had such visitors in the middle of the night as well."

Yep. They were going door-to-door warning residents that a criminal was in the area. It was late at night, they banged on the door, and they were armed to the teeth.

I never pointed a gun at them and I never got shot.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-24   17:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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