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Title: Prosecutors: No crime in Florida inmate's hot-shower death
Source: The Big Story
URL Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbc3 ... orida-inmates-hot-shower-death
Published: Mar 17, 2017
Author: Curt Anderson
Post Date: 2017-03-19 05:48:06 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 9625
Comments: 60

MIAMI (AP) — Prosecutors in Florida have found no evidence of a crime in the death of a prison inmate left for nearly two hours in a hot shower, concluding that he died accidentally in part because of undiagnosed heart disease and suffered no burn injuries.

The memo released Friday by the office of Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle ends a lengthy criminal probe into the 2012 death of 50-year-old Darren Rainey, a mentally troubled man serving a two-year sentence on a cocaine charge.

An attorney for Rainey's family, Milton Grimes of Los Angeles, said in a statement that the family is "disappointed and heartbroken" no charges will be brought.

"This is not justice for Darren, for his family, nor for the mentally ill who have been subject to similar abuse and mistreatment," Grimes said.

The investigation found no evidence that officers at the Dade Correctional Institution regularly used the hot shower to punish or torture inmates, as some of them claimed after Rainey's death. Assistant State Attorneys Kathleen Hoague and Johnette Hardiman said in the 72-page memo that one inmate's assertions that Rainey was screaming for help and had been scalded to death were unfounded.

"The evidence fails to show that any correctional officer acted in reckless disregard of Rainey's life," they wrote.

Rainey was taken to the shower on June 23, 2012, after he had smeared feces on himself, the walls of his cell and his bedsheets. The shower, which was operated from an adjoining room by a corrections officer to prevent inmates from turning it off, was activated but Rainey refused to stand under the water, according to the memo.

Officer Roland Clarke told Rainey he couldn't go back to his cell until he washed off. Finally, Rainey said he would comply and asked for soap, which he was given, the memo says.

After starting to wash, Rainey said, "No, I don't want to do this," and leaned on a wall away from the water, Clarke told investigators. Officers continued to check on him, and finally after about two hours the decision was made to take Rainey out of the shower, but he was found lying face up in about 3 inches (8 centimeters) of water with no pulse and not breathing.

One inmate, Harold Hempstead, said he heard Rainey yelling and kicking at the shower door, saying, "I'm sorry. I won't do it any more" and "I can't take it no more." The prosecutors found Hempstead's claims, which he repeated to several news outlets, were not supported by other evidence, including video footage from inside the prison.

"Hempstead's testimony is inherently unreliable and therefore not credible," Hoague and Hardiman wrote.

Several witnesses said Rainey's skin appeared to be peeled back or reddish in some spots — one inmate claimed he looked like a "boiled lobster" — but an autopsy found this "slippage" was most likely caused by friction or pressure on his moist and warm skin. This could have happened during efforts to revive him, such as chest compressions, or when officers carried him out of the shower initially, the memo said.

The medical examiner, Emma Lew, attributed Rainey's death to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space. She said schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.

"It is not substantiated that the temperatures inside the shower room were excessively high," Lew wrote.

The prosecutors determined that corrections officers did not commit murder or manslaughter in Rainey's death and that taking him to the shower was appropriate under the circumstances.

"Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless," they wrote. "There was no evidence of any intent to harm Rainey."

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#1. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite, Tooconservative, nativist nationalist, Pinguinite, Deckard, All (#0)

Please take time to carefully notice how two different reporters from two different sources report the same story.

Start by comparing the headline of the story posted on this thread, that reads …

Prosecutors: No crime in Florida inmate's hot-shower death
… with the story posted here earlier on a different thread on this forum, where the headline reads …
Prison Guards Who Threw Inmate in Hot Shower, Killing Him, Committed No Crime, State’s Attorney Rules
Notice also how the reporter in the story posted on this thread consciously and professionally attached allied documents [including a 101 page detailed report] ….while the reporter in the second story intentionally neglected to include any supporting data and furnished absolutely no links to any of the information he mentioned in the article.

We normally are not afforded an opportunity to make such an objectively understanding comparison between the information in two different articles….since only the biased and conclusively damning yellow journalism article is usually posted to promote a cop-hating agenda.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   6:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#1)

Please take time to carefully notice how two different reporters from two different sources report the same story.

Okay.

Prison Guards Who Threw Inmate in Hot Shower, Killing Him, Committed No Crime, State’s Attorney Rules

Stone's article sounds so much more exciting. Inmate burned to death by heartless guards? {CLICK} times 100,000.

By comparison, your title barely rates a yawn, let alone a click. You should be paying us cash to read an article with such a boring title.

Clickbaitery is a race to the bottom and Stone's thread won, hands down.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   7:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#2) (Edited)

By comparison, your title barely rates a yawn …
After Stone said I am to use you as my “role model’ for proper posting techniques and procedures and perhaps even clone myself in your literary image….I carefully went back and read your post here trying to understand where I went wrong.

I promise, BOSS, I’ll keep trying….”I’ll keep shaking it.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   7:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I did an edit change on my Post #3....probably after you read it.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   7:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#3)

After Stone said I am to use you as my “role model’ for proper posting techniques and procedures and perhaps even clone myself in your literary image…

I wouldn't go that far.

Stone will probably dislike something I post tomorrow, call me an asshole and ban me.

redleghunter was far more worthy of Stone's praise than I am.

I think I probably get points from Stone because I always try to read most or all the article (a shameful bad habit that I just cannot break) and I try to make my first post on a thread directly address the article (before getting dragged into the swamp of hate-posting by various personages who are better left unnamed).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   8:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)

Stone's article sounds so much more exciting. Inmate burned to death by heartless guards?

Actually it wasn't my article. It was Reuters.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   9:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

in the death of a prison inmate left for nearly two hours in a hot shower

Is that standard procedure for the inmates to get two hour showers?

Why did someone give him a two hour shower?

Is there a law that says if you act up they put you in a shower for two hours?

Sorry but most prison guards are assholes who abuse their power They are not corrections officers they are guards. They did a study on guards at prisons and found this

"This research did not deal specifically with the issue of compliance but instead focused on the degree to which individuals adopted prescribed roles and the psychologically caustic effects of the prison environment upon guards and prisoners alike. The researchers observed “extremely pathological reactions that emerged in both groups of subjects” (Haney et al. 1973-80) with some guards becoming aggressive and sadistic while some prisoners became withdrawn and depressed. These results forced researchers to terminate the experiment after only six days although it had been scheduled for two weeks. *Haney et al. 1973) This study found that “throughout the experiment commands were given the most frequent form of verbal behavior” *Haney et al. 1973:80) Generally, the study found that prisoners to be compliant with the commands of the guards, with only 32 incidents of physical resistance observed this despite an escalation in the amount of harassment the guards demonstrated towards the prisoners”."

You can read the full report here.

www.zimbardo.com/download...20of%20Prisoners%20and%20 Guards,%20Naval%20Research%20Reviews.pdf

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

Actually it wasn't my article. It was Reuters.

Your article was written by an associate editor at Reason.com and posted on their Hit-And-Run sub-blog.

That's right, some dirty hippie libertarian type.

Okay, you can ban me now. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Is that standard procedure for the inmates to get two hour showers?

You shouldn't even allow prison showers that run at 160°F, as reported in one of these articles. You have laws against that kind of thing in rest homes and homes for disabled people for this exact reason.

That sounded disturbing to me. There should have been an independent autopsy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

A Herald investigation, first published in May, showed through public records and interviews by witnesses, including a nurse on duty at the time, that Rainey’s death was never properly investigated by the Department of Corrections or Miami-Dade police. Evidence also suggests that the Department of Corrections might have tried to cover up the incident.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami- dade/article1972693.html#storylink=cpy

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#1)

Now, how many people bothered to read the second story, absolving the guards of any wrongdoing?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours? Sounds like a bully.

Maybe Israel should routinely put palisades in hot showers for two hours. I'm sure you would support it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

I read both. I didn't find either of them completely convincing. The first one had a lot of allegations, the later article based on the report from the investigation didn't completely settle the issue.

People do die for no good reason in police custody. It seems to happen pretty frequently with crazies in prison who, in this country, get locked in prisons because there is no longer anywhere else to put them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours?"

Nope. Why do you ask?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)

"The first one had a lot of allegations, the later article based on the report from the investigation didn't completely settle the issue."

The first one had ZERO evidence to back up those allegations. The second one did.

Reminds me of what Rush said about the battle cry of liberals: "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#14) (Edited)

Because the article says a person was put in hot shower for two hours then the man died. You said you read the article then you said the guards were obsolved of any wrongdoing. Now you admit that what the guards did was not right.

So what punishment should the guards get?

I think they should be executed if they were the cause. They should be fired, jailed and fined for their cruel bullying act.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

"Because the article says a person was put in hot shower for two hours then the man died."

The second article disproved that allegation with facts and evidence.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

Actually it is in the first or second sentence of the article. You must have only read the headline.

You have a template then you make the narrative fit your preconceived biased opinion. As Rush would say.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

"Actually it is in the first or second sentence of the article. You must have only read the headline."

You need to read beyond the headline and the first or second sentence of the article:

"It is not substantiated that the temperatures inside the shower room were excessively high," (medical examiner) Lew wrote.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative, misterwhite (#7)

Why did someone give him a two hour shower?

They did NOT give him a shower for two hours.

He had spread shit all over his body, in his hair and on his cell walls….he had done that before and had even eaten it at times.

The guards took him to the shower and turned the water on.

He would not take a shower, he stood away and out of the water coming down in the shower…it was reported by the “lying” guards.

The guards left him there in the shower and checked back every thirty minutes on their rounds to see if he had taken a shower.

When he had not, after they checked three times....the supervisor said to put him back in his cell, still all covered with shit.

That was when they found him on the floor of the shower.

The shower room measures 3x8.5 feet. It had 2 vents, one with a fan and they was ample space for him to stand away from the shower where the water would never touch him. [See the pictures in the 101 page report].

The testimony from each different “lying” guards when they checked every 30 minutes was that he was never under the shower water, “he was always dry.”

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

But that makes the civilian guards just as bad as government employees, in the closed narrow minds of some….right?

That is all from the 101 page investigation, but then who can believe what is printed in there….right?

Is there a law that says if you act up they put you in a shower for two hours?
Probably no more of a law that said they had to give him a shower at all, to clean all the shit off of him….ya agree?
They did a study on guards at prisons and found “most prison guards are assholes who abuse their power.
And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?

Do you believe all the studies you read on the web are accurate….on only those you want to believe?

You can read the full report here.
I don’t need to read the full report….I’ll accept that it says what you said.

But, do I have to also believe it is accurate?

No, I don’t….I can accept that it may or it may not be TRUE. But then, that’s just this old geezer’s way of looking at things.

Like we agreed that bad prosecutors can lie….can we also agree that studies can lie to prove a point?

CAN WE …

In summation …

All I have posted here is from the 101 page report….I cannot of course vouch for the validity of the information.

Furthermore, I have no idea if the guards caused the death or not….and neither do you.

But as I have said, only the prosecutors have the right by law to make that decision and making such a decision based on an article published in Reason magazine is a completely irrational and asinine action.

You can go ahead and ban me now…if you like :) …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours? Sounds like a bully."

Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? Or do you find your cold showers sufficient?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#20)

All I have posted here is from the 101 page report….I cannot of course vouch for the validity of the information.

Furthermore, I have no idea if the guards caused the death or not….and neither do you.

Fair enough.

You should note that I used a lot of "if's and then's"

I don't know for sure what the truth is either.

But I am suspicious.

Something you should know. Sometimes I take a view opposite of mine just to test to see if there are any holes in it.

So remember just because I seemingly take a side I might actually have the opposite view or not be sure at all.

I also like to know why people have the opinion that they have

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#21)

Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? Or do you find your cold showers sufficient?

I prefer hot showers. A cold shower sometimes will wake your ass up though. Like last year when my gas hot water heater went out. Those were some cold showers. But I learned to replace a gas hot water heater. Oh but that isn't the subject of our discussion.

It could be a luxury. Or if to hot it could be torture.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#21)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours?

misterwhite "Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? "

misterwhite "Nope. Why do you ask?"

A perfect example of taking two contradictory positions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#20)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?"

His source was The New York Times.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#20)

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

That is one thing that I think is wrong. Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government.

This is one thing I disagree with Trump on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"Or if to hot it could be torture."

Then the medical examiner would have found evidence of that. He didn't.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#25) (Edited)

His source was The New York Times.

My source was a scientific study. I remember hearing about a study like this years ago. I don't think this is the study that I heard about years ago. I think there are more studies that come to the same conclusion.

It is really just common sense. We are all humans and we sin. Any person you put in a position of authority where it hard for the ones they are in authority over to be believed or to even have a voice that can be heard. For these types of feelings to emerge.

They guards think they are in charge (and they are) so after time they start to look at the prisoners as lesser people who aren't deserving of being treated decently. And sometimes it is true they are scumbags that don't deserve to be treated decently. Still it is their job to treat the prisoners humanely.

If I was a guard I'm sure I would want to kick some of their asses too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#27)

Then the medical examiner would have found evidence of that. He didn't.

It would be more accurate and truthful to say the medical examiner said that. You and I don't really know and are just left with our opinions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#20)

But, do I have to also believe it is accurate?

No, I don’t….I can accept that it may or it may not be TRUE. But then, that’s just this old geezer’s way of looking at things.

I bet if Deckard cut you some slack and you did the same, and gave some non absolute answers like this that you two would understand each other better and maybe even respect each other some day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)

"Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government."

Should the government also run snow removal and garbage pickup? What about schools?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

"It would be more accurate and truthful to say the medical examiner said that."

I did say that in my post #19. Do you have a reason to doubt his conclusion?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#31)

Should the government also run snow removal and garbage pickup? What about schools?

Yes they should do the snow removal for the roads. If they found out a better cheaper way I wouldn't object.

They tax us here and that pays for the garbage pickup. I have no problem with that. If It was some other way and we paid directly that would be ok too.

But with prisons and controlling people. It is the governments job.

Would you be ok with private police officers that work for a corporation pulling you over. Heck throw in some private judges also. How about msnbc running the country? It would be in private hands

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite (#32)

I did say that in my post #19. Do you have a reason to doubt his conclusion?

Yes I have reason to doubt. For one example the nurse I quoted from an independant investigation reported by a local TV station I believe.

Also the guards would have motive to lie to protect themselves.

On the other hand I could see a prisoner lying about cleaning up dead skin also.

I'm trying to be open minded fair and truthful here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#31)

What about schools?

I think we should emulate what Germany does.

The government provides the funds but the parent decides where to send their kid.

I sent my kids to private school for years. Even though it was very difficult to afford and eventually I couldn't afford it anymore.

One of my kids got 11 years in private christian school One got probably 9 years. Another for about 7 years. My youngest chld was less fortunate and only went for probably 5 or six years.

Should I get a reimbursement since I paid taxes for public and then paid for private school too?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#22)

But I am suspicious.

Something you should know. Sometimes I take a view opposite of mine just to test to see if there are any holes in it.

So remember just because I seemingly take a side I might actually have the opposite view or not be sure at all.

I also like to know why people have the opinion that they have

I understand all of that ...

And you have long since realized that I do the same.

You also, realize, that while I use blunt language....it is never meant to be personal.

I stongly believe a person is entitled to their opinion....while I can hold mine.

We are in agreement.

I never thought you to be an asshole....

[But strictly between you and me….an no one else,
I am not to sure that Trueconservative does not.
You better watch him closely …]

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#11)

Now, how many people bothered to read the second story, absolving the guards of any wrongdoing?

Great question ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#25)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?"

His source was The New York Times.

OMG....I didn't even go there to see that.

I am glad I didn't....I would have raised the level of my post a couple of octaves.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#26)

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

That is one thing that I think is wrong. Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government.

This is one thing I disagree with Trump on.

We agree ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#38)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?" His source was The New York Times.

OMG....I didn't even go there to see that.

I am glad I didn't....I would have raised the level of my post a couple of octaves.

I don't know where misterwhite got new york times. This is my source.

www.zimbardo.com/download...20of%20Prisoners%20and%20

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#30)

I bet if Deckard cut you some slack and you did the same, and gave some non absolute answers like this that you two would understand each other better and maybe even respect each other some day.

Providing he makes the FIRST MOVE and if he agrees to do that….then I will put him on a strict two-week probationary period.

Fair enough?

You should realize that because of his “condition,” I am being overly generous with the poor lost soul …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   12:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone, gatlin (#40)

"I don't know where misterwhite got new york times. This is my source."

It was a joke. The quote is from the movie Dr. Strangelove.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   12:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Gatlin (#41)

Providing he makes the FIRST MOVE and if he agrees to do that….then I will put him on a strict two-week probationary period.

C'mon, what would it take to get you to move him to the top of your dance card?     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   12:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#34)

I cannot find your original quote, I I will go with what I have from the below quote …

Yes I have reason to doubt. For one example the nurse I quoted from an independant investigation reported by a local TV station I believe.
“There You Go Again.”

Having your doubt raised because of what one reporter said a nurse told him.

That was only one nurse and the reporter may have heard what he wanted to hear….why did the reporter not bother to post what the other 3 nurses had to say?

You of course can guess the answer to that question….right?

For the real information …

Just inserting a bit of humor there…you do remember Warner Wolf, of course.

But let’s go to the “sworn statements” by the nurses as posted in the 101 page investigation report. the pdf will not allow me to copy and paste, so I paraphrased. You can go to the report and read directly what all the four nurses said, if you like.

That nurse you were talking about with the interview in the news paper was probably, Nurse Britney Wilson. She said his body appeared to be burned. But she said that on a phone call to 911 while observing the body on a stretcher some distance from her. She also stated that she had never treated an inmate for hot water burns in the shower the entire time she was there.

Nurse Yina Patino, said “his skin looked fine.” She also said that during the entire time she worked at the facility, “no inmate ever complained to her about being burned in the shower.”

Nurse Loren Robinson, said when she walked in the shower to assist the inmate on the floor….”the room was warm and steamy, but not excessively hot.” He was warm and his skin appeared to be “intact atg that time.”

Nurse Carol Peters, said that Rainey’s was warm a bit but not hot and his “temperature reading was 102 F.” She further stated that it was her opinion that “he had not sustained any burns.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   12:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#43)

Providing he makes the FIRST MOVE and if he agrees to do that….then I will put him on a strict two-week probationary period.

C'mon, what would it take to get you to move him to the top of your dance card? : )

Him shaving his beard and his cutting back those fingernails, “could possibly” be a starter :) ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   13:01:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Gatlin (#0)

Prosecutors: No crime in Florida inmate's hot-shower death

The prosecutors are accesories to murder.

rlk  posted on  2017-03-19   14:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite, gatlin, tooconservative, rlk, sneakypete (#32)

I did say that in my post #19. Do you have a reason to doubt his conclusion?

Well there are other reasons. For example the prosecutore Kathleen Hoaque has a history of getting it wrong then trying to make excuses for her errant behavior.

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In April, Miguel Macias was released after being locked up for 42 days in a Miami-Dade jail.

The Miami man was falsely charged with the kidnap and rape of a then-18- year-old woman after she found his Facebook profile and identified the man as her rapist.

A DNA test eventually exonerated him.

Macias had never even met the woman.

The Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office brought these serious charges against Macias without evidence, disregarding his solid alibi, incarcerating him for a month-and-a-half.

Kathleen Hoague, an assistant attorney, tried to explain their baseless abduction and prosecution to Local 10 News."

photographyisnotacrime.co...i-man-jailed-more-than-a- month-after-woman-falsely-identifies-his-facebook-profile-photo-as-her- rapist/

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   14:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Gatlin (#0)

A quote from the "prosecutor"

"“We are very sorry that the man was in custody for the period of time that he was, but as soon as we found out we did what we had to do and we released him. This happens all the time. You know, okay? This is not the first time this happened and it won’t be the last.” Kathleen Hoague

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   14:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Gatlin (#0)

Does she look trushworthy?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:00:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Gatlin (#0)

THen there is State Attorney Katherine Fernandez who released the memo she is corrupt and has been shown to protect the system in the past.

If there was anything even remotely resembling justice, neither Tomas or Raquel Regalado would be holding public office today.

Both of them should have been charged with at least one, and possibly two misdemeanor criminal counts related to their actions in handling the campaign’s financial accounting and reporting during Regalados campaign for Mayor of Miami.

But they weren’t. Instead, the Regalados were allowed to avoid criminal prosecution and were allowed to get off by paying civil penalties of $5000 each for a case which really did involve a “willful disregard for the law.”

The process by which they were given a free pass reveals one of the ways that Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez-Rundle’s office deals with high profile, politically connected cases involving individuals who Fernandez-Rundle either wants to protect, or who she does political favors for, expecting no doubt some sort of quid pro quo in return.

In this case, there is no question that Katherine Fernandez-Rundle’s intention was to shield the Regalados from any threat of criminal prosecution.

The story that follows is based on information discovered in the investigative reports that became available after the case was closed: reports that were collected and provided to the public ONLY by the Crespo- Gram Report.

Other than one story that originally appeared in El Nuevo Herald before the FDLE made their records available, no other news organization has attempted to obtain or publish any kind of story that included information other than what was in the press release issued by the Miami-Dade Ethics Commission.

Yet, in spite of not knowing, or obviously not bothering to learn about the facts of the case, the Miami Herald was quick to publish an editorial attempting to minimize the Regalados actions, focusing heavily on trying to excuse what happened by indirectly referencing a series of personal and family problems, including the death of her mother in February of 2008 and the discovery that her husband was having an affair that lead to a divorce later that year that Raquel Regalado interjected as an excuse during her deposition as to why she supposedly didn’t focus on her responsibilities as campaign treasurer. (See pages 17-22 of her deposition.)

Here’s how the Miami Herald’s editorial defended the decision not to charge the Regalados with criminal violations:

“In light of the family’s situation, the commission’s decision to fine the pair without criminal charges was appropriate.”

Really!?! How does one’s “family’s situation” ever justify a free pass on being charged with a crime?

Think of all the other political crooks in Miami-Dade County that would love to have the Miami Herald absolve them of responsibility for their sleazy, unprincipled or crooked behavior by claiming that their “family’s situation” was responsible for their misdeeds?

It is this kind of mindless, ignorant drivel that is selectively pedaled on the news and editorial pages of the Miami Herald that raises questions as to whether the leadership of the Miami Herald have cow shit for brains, or worse, are openly acting as enablers in foisting these corrupt public officials on an ill-informed and abused public.

The Regalados engaged in a willful pattern of misbehavior that in hindsight they attempted to claim was caused by their “family situation,” while at the same time attempting to place as much of the blame as possible on two underlings: Armando Rodriquez, a city employee who was rewarded with better city jobs after demonstrating his incompetence, and Jose Oscar Gonzalez, the husband of Regalados deceased wife’s sister, both of whom were entrusted with much of the actual accounting work for the campaign.

This was all a calculated ploy by the Regalados to deflect attention from the fact that one was stupid, and the other was a moron, and that together they conspired to hoodwink the public over the real financial activities associated with Tomas Regalados campaign for Mayor.

Consider that the “family situation” problems that Raquel Regalado described in her deposition as distracting her from her responsibilities as campaign treasurer occurred in 2008, while the most serious campaign violations took place at the end of 2009 and the first few months of 2010.

I do not wish to appear heartless or deny her the grief and pain that she faced with the death of her mother and the other dramas that year, including confirmation of her daughter’s autism and finding out she was married to a louse; but to attempt to justify the illegal acts that she engaged in almost a year and a half after most of these events occurred is taking real advantage of people gullibility.

YOU DON’T NEED TO STEAL MONEY TO COMMIT A CRIMINAL ACT

Even in the best managed political campaigns there are instances where shit happens. It’s just part of the process, and no one should be subjected to a lot of grief when these issues are discovered, because stupid shit sometimes just happens.

At the same time, there is a big difference between goofy math errors, and a demonstrable effort to create a Final Financial Campaign Report based on completely fake numbers.

When you discover that kind of behavior, it warrants criminal prosecution, because the issue is not whether any of the unaccounted for money was stolen or misused, but rather the issue is one of fundamental truthfulness in accounting for the money that you received and spent to get elected.

Contrary to what the Regalados, Joe Centorino, the Miami Herald or anyone else who supports their version of the events would have you believe, the criminal penalties associated with the campaign violations the Regalados were accused of violating DID NOT have as a prerequisite a requirement that the money collected by the campaign had to be stolen or misused before they could be charged with criminal infractions.

Here is the what the Regalados did, and why it went beyond any simple issues of math errors or sloppy bookkeeping.

THE PHONY FINAL FINANCIAL REPORT

On February 3, 2010, Tomas Regalado and his daughter submitted an unsigned Final Campaign Report with the Miami City Clerk that said that the campaign had collected $808,789.00, and had spent $657,330.92.

On March 15, 2010, after being notified of these errors by the City Clerk - the total contributions and expenditures didn’t match and the report was unsigned - a 2nd, signed Final Campaign Report was filed that increased the expenditures to $848,234.99, and to balance the numbers they claimed that they had collected $848,234.99 in contributions.

When the investigation into Regalados campaign was opened in 2011, and the Ethic’s Commission’s Auditor got through conducting her audit, she came up with total contributions of $876,669.99 and total expenditures of $874.587.99.

The $2082 difference is money that the Regalado claimed that they had kept in the campaign account to cover any potential IRS problems they thought might have from another bookkeeping error.

The difference between the Regalados first Final Campaign Report with mismatched contribution and expenditure totals, and the 2nd Final Campaign Report with entirely different contribution and expenditure totals, followed by the final audited totals generated by the Ethic’s Commission’s auditor pointed to only one conclusion: The Regalados had made up the numbers in the second final report as a way to try and make the numbers add up, and the problem go away.

On page 32, of the FDLE’s Investigative Reports, here is the way that this conclusion of dummy numbers was reached in a meeting held between Joseph Centorino, Executive Director of the Miami-Dade Ethics Commission, Howard Rosen, Assistant State’s Attorney, FDLE Special Agent William Saladrigas and Christine Seymour, Chief Auditor for the Miami-Dade Ethics Commission on October 27, 2011.

“COE Director Centorino and ASA Rosen, after being briefed on Ms. Seymour's findings and reviewing the charted violations, agreed that charge number four was the most egregious, in that the City Clerk had alerted the Regalado campaign to the fact that there were problems with the report. Instead of vetting the issues raised by the Clerk and correcting the problem(s), the Regalado campaign seemingly plugged an arbitrary number into the contributions column designed to force a balance with the expenditure column and submitted the report in apparent willful disregard for the rule of law.”

The difference between seeking civil and criminal penalties in a case like this is when defendants exhibit an “apparant willful disregard for the rule of law.”

It’s one thing to have done sloppy math, but an entirely different thing to not have done any math at all.

HOW THE REGALADO’S GOT THEIR FREE PASS TO GO PAST JAIL

The FDLE Investigative Report goes on to describe what happened after the above discussion took place.

“At approximately 3 p.m., Mr. Jose Quinon arrived at the meeting and was briefed on Ms. Seymour's findings and the opinions of Director Centorino and ASA Rosen. Mr. Quinon was informed that, while it was possible to work out the majority of the allegations with civil penalties, item number four would likely result in a criminal charge unless the Regalados were able to present evidence that would be somehow dispositive of the facts as presented. In light of the imminent statute of limitations issue that would affect several of the violations under Chapter 106, Mr. Quinon agreed to a waiver of the statute of limitation on the applicable charges to allow him to meet with his clients and discuss the various options. All parties agreed that any filing decision would be deferred, contingent on the waiver, to allow Mr. Quinon to meet with his clients.”

Sounds serious, right!

Jose Quinon, the Regalados defense attorney is informed that his clients face possible criminal charges, but in order to be fair, this group will let the Regalados argue their case as to why they shouldn’t be criminally charged, as long as the Regalados agree to sign a wavier because there were only 8 days left before the statute of limitations expired.

At that point, given the time constraints, a deadline on agreeing to the waiver should have been imposed. But no such time limit was imposed by Howard Rosen or Joe Centorino.

Instead of demanding that waivers be signed and delivered within 48 or 72 hours, and that the Regalados come in and give their side of the story BEFORE the statute of limitations ran out, which is the way the State Attorney’s Office would have behaved if they had even an iota of interest in charging the Regalados with a criminal count for this violation, NO TIME LIMIT WAS SET, and Jose Quinon, being the smart lawyer that he is, took complete advantage of that failure to wait until after 5:00 PM, on November 2, 2011, to send Joe Centorino an email telling him that the originals of the signed waivers were in his office. Notice that Jose Quinon cites “non-criminal violations” in the subject line of his email. He did that because the statute of limitations for the Regalados being charged with criminal violations effectively expired at 5:00 PM that afternoon.

The Regalados didn’t get around to showing up for depositions until January 4, 2012.

THAT’S HOW how the Regalados got a free pass from their friend Katherine Fernandez-Rundle! By not demanding that the waivers be executed in a timely fashion, Howard Rosen and Joe Centorino purposely allowed the statute of limitations on any criminal charges against the Regalados to run out!

HOW KATHERINE FERNANDEZ-RUNDLE TREATS HER NON-FRIENDS

The prosecution of political corruption cases by the Miami-Dade State’s Attorney’s office has always been very selective. With Fernandez-Rundle, it’s always been about going after her enemies and the enemies of her friends, and always protecting her friends and the friends of her friends.

Here’s an example of how Katherine Fernandez-Rundle and Joe Centorino dealt with an enemy of one of Fernandez-Rundle’s friends back in the 90’s.

His name was Bruce Kaplan, and he was just another in the long line of sleaze bags that have been members of the Miami-Dade County Commission.

His crime wasn’t that he was a sleaze bag, because if that was a criteria for going after all the crooked politicians on Miami-Dade County Commission they’d have to hold their meetings in the visiting room of the State Penitentiary.

No, his crime was he was that he was feuding with then Golden Boy, County Mayor Alex Penales.

The year was 1998, and Kaplan had been investigated for lying on his annual financial disclosure forms.

Sound familiar? That’s the same charge that I filed an ethics complaint against Tomas Regalado for failing to account for his assets in his 2009 and 2010 annual financial disclosure forms.

Only instead of getting a slap on the wrist like Regalado got, Fernandez- Rundle and Centorino went after Kaplan to force him out of office. The case is detailed in a Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel story, that ended this way:

“Assistant State Attorney Joe Centorino said his office looked at a number of possible charges against Kaplan, including allegedly falsifying his mortgage application. But the State Attorney's office focused on Kaplan's phony financial disclosure forms because they were linked to his public office.

Kaplan agreed to leave office and never seek re-election because he did not want to face possibly harsher penalties, Centorino said.

``He didn't want to fight a felony charge,'' Centorino said. ``He didn't want to do any jail time.''

I love it when guys like Centorino get all butch and start talking about “jail time,” especially since long before I came along, Joe Centorino had already earned the label of “Let ‘em go Joe,” for his treatment of high profile politicians accused of public corruption.

For Kaplan it was all about resign or risk going to jail. For Regalado on the other hand, it was a $1000 fine and a requirement that he file an amended financial report

The month following the Regalado agreement to pay the $1000 fine, when the Herald did their editorial about the campaign charges, they referenced Centorino’s continued sensitivities for Regalados well-being by writing, “According to Joe Centorino, executive director of the ethics commission, the Regalados faulty bookkeeping was tied to personal issues.”

Poor folks by the thousands go to prison from Miami-Dade County every year, and you never hear anyone from the Miami Herald or the State Attorney’s Office commiserate over any of their “personal issues.”

It’s only politicians and the rich and powerful in Miami that get the benefit of solicitous concern for their “personal issues,” before they are slapped gently on the wrist and let go.

Yes, it’s true that Centorino was the one quoted in the FDLE Report as describing the Regalados actions as an “apparent willful disregard for the rule of law,” but given what transpired, that’s like saying, “Looks like a crime to me, somebody needs to do something about it,” and then walking away.

As the Executive Director of the Miami-Dade Ethics Commission, Centorino had it in his power to require that the Regalados sign the waivers within 48-72 hours.

He didn’t, because when push came to shove, he did what he had always done as the Head of the State Attorney’s Public Corruption Unit: He became Katherine Fernandez-Rundle’s butt boy.

AFTER ALL THAT’S TRANSPIRED, THE Regalados FILED ANOTHER PHONY FINAL FINANCIAL REPORT

From the very beginning, when the Regalados case was transferred to the Ethic’s Commission, the fix was in. You would think therefore, that the Regalados might have shown some appreciation and repay the favor of skating out of harms way by at least complying with the measly requirement of submitting one last Final Campaign Report that made sense.

After getting a free pass from criminal prosecution, the Regalados were required to do two things. Pay a total of $10,000 in fines and file one last Final Financial Report.

You guessed it, on April 4, 2012, they filed their 3rd Final Financial Report and it’s as fucked up and bogus as the first two reports they filed.

You can’t make this shit up.

In the report they submitted they included another $37,131,66 in contributions and new expenditures of $2,797.95 - that finally removed all of the money from the bank account, including the $2092 that had been kept to deal with the possible IRS problem.

This new report now showed a total of $853,194.99 in Contributions and $851,032.95 in Expenditures.

Ignoring the $2000 + difference between the contributions and expenditures which has to do with the IRS money, there’s still, based on the Ethic’s Commission’s Audit of the campaign accounts, a total of $23,475.00 missing in Contributions and Expenditures between the Regalados latest $853,194.99 number, and the Auditor’s total of $876.669.99.

He’s the Mayor of Miami, and she’s a lawyer and a member of the Miami-Dade School Board. Together they are not as smart as a 5th grader flunking math, and they are a team that have demonstrated that they’re not to be trusted to tell the truth.

But none of that matters because they’re friends of Kathy, and the Miami Herald thinks that they deserved a break. In the end, the thing to remember is that in the world of real politics, stupid politicians who lie and cheat will always be beholden to their protectors.

It’s Miami, Bitches!

www.crespogram.com/index_...FRIEND_THEY_HAVE_IN_KATHY _2_2.html

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#11)

You trust corrupt people?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:07:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#48)

"“We are very sorry that the man was in custody for the period of time that he was, but as soon as we found out we did what we had to do and we released him. This happens all the time. You know, okay? This is not the first time this happened and it won’t be the last.” Kathleen Hoague

Oh,well. That makes it all-betta,then. Never mind.

The bitch just bragged about being incompetent and illegally holding and detailing people without evidence.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-19   15:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#52)

It appears the other prosecutor is protecting some corrupt government workers too.

articles.sun-sentinel.com...miami-corruption-arrests- 20100507_1_police-officers-arrests-miami-police-department

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: rlk (#46)

More shameful behavior.

About five years ago agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) were readying to arrest David Rivera. As reported by the Tampa Bay Times in 2011, “Miami-Dade prosecutors were preparing a ‘draft’ complaint charging the Republican congressman with 52 counts of theft, money laundering and racketeering.”

Mysteriously and for reasons unbeknownst to most, David Rivera’s case suddenly fizzled. This in spite of the fact that FDLE investigators believed that the Rivera violations were “quite evident.” The lengthy probe of Rivera’s finances “unequivocally explains the theft and/or fraud of campaign funds,” wrote FDLE inspector Brett Lycett in a July 5, 2011, email to a prosecutor.

All evidence points to Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle’s office as the culprit in allowing Rivera, in a sense, to go free.

http://progresoweekly.us/kfr-chases-miamis-corrupt-officials-political- contributions/

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin (#44)

I'm starting to see a pattern with Katherine Rundle. She never prosecutes those in law enforcement.

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/08/06/south-florida-cop-proven-to-be- liar-by-surveillance-camera-in-shooting-of-unarmed-man/

A South Florida cop who shot a man he had pulled over, then claimed the man kept his hands in his waistband, was proven to be a liar by a surveillance camera.

But Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Rundle Fernandez refused to prosecute South Miami police officer Aryo Rezaie because she would rather not break her 23-year streak of not prosecuting a single police officer for shooting unarmed citizens.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   15:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Does she look trushworthy?

Didn’t think about that so much as …

Well, after very careful consideration and to be honest – which of course I always am – she looks like something that Deckard and hondope would hang out with for a good time.

That was my first impression …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   15:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#56) (Edited)

she looks like something that Deckard and hondope would hang out with

A corrupt prosecutor with a propensity for ignoring police crimes and corruption and allowing criminal politicians to walk free?

Nah - that sounds more like something you or paulsen would hit on.

Your unabashed and submissive worship of the State and your pathological authority fetish is repugnant to any and all who love freedom.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-19   16:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#51)

"You trust corrupt people?"

If I'm the one paying them.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   16:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Deckard (#1)

Well, you managed to make a post without citing libertarianism as the preferred political philosophy of the anti-christ. You also managed it without employing the "tard" adjective. Congratulations, and mark the calendar!

You might be aware that in the news publishing world, the titles of articles are not selected by the journalist, but by the editors of the newspaper or web site on which the article appears. So the exact same article could appear in two different outlets, each with a title slanted in a different direction.

And yes, it can of course happen and does happen that articles themselves are slanted for or against a group of people or an idea. The Free Thought Project is absolutely slanted against cops, just as you are slanted against libertarianism. It's just as much "yellow journalism" when you do it as when TPF does it (to the extent that qualification actually applies). The trick is, Gatlin, to glean facts from reports that are independent of opinions. Facts that are either true or false.

In the present case, the other report claimed the shower water temp "days after" the event was measured at 160 degrees. That is an absolutely lethal temperature that no shower on the entire planet should ever be capable of reaching, ever. If it's true that the shower was even capable of that temperature then it alone should have pointed to criminal negligence all by itself. Your posted article makes no mention on what the temperature of the shower was purported to be, other than an obtuse claim that there was "no evidence" it was "excessively high", but perhaps that only meant on the day of death.

The other article claimed a nurse found his temperature too high to register on the thermometer. No mention was made of this claim on your article. Applying some critical analysis, one might ask why a nurse would have tried to take a temperature of someone found in the condition he was in, as I wouldn't expect it to be an emergency aid measure. But I don't know. Maybe a nurse had a legit reason to do so, or did so after the other lifesaving treatment was administered.

The other article claimed it was "undisputed" that his skin fell off after "contact". Your article makes reference to "slippage" (with quotes) as being explained by his skin being moist, but no mention of the claim of skin coming off, or whether it was, in fact "undisputed".

These are alleged facts that are not resolved in the present case. But there's one very curious fact that is not in dispute. It took the prosecutor *3 years* to come to the conclusion that there was no evidence of a crime committed in the inmate's death. Why would it take 3 years to reach this conclusion? If all the facts were as cut and dry as your article implies, the prosecutor should have come out with this report perhaps as soon as 2 weeks after the event, or maybe as much as 3-4 months if some issues looked curious and unusual warranting more digging. But 3 years? That length of time raises the spectre of corruption, of the DA office struggling with a case that warranted prosecution but for which there was some internal force opposing it, and I understand there are public arena allegations of corruption.

So... is there any explicit challenge made to the alleged facts in the other article I raise above? And What would be the pro-police, yellow-journalism, cops-can-do-no-wrong, police-corruption-does-not-exist explanation be for it taking 3 years to decide there was no evidence of a crime?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-03-20   13:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pinguinite (#59) (Edited)

Well, you managed to make a post without citing libertarianism as the preferred political philosophy of the anti-christ.

I’ll try to never let the oversight of not putting down libertarianism happen again …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-20   14:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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