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Title: Prosecutors: No crime in Florida inmate's hot-shower death
Source: The Big Story
URL Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbc3 ... orida-inmates-hot-shower-death
Published: Mar 17, 2017
Author: Curt Anderson
Post Date: 2017-03-19 05:48:06 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 265
Comments: 60

MIAMI (AP) — Prosecutors in Florida have found no evidence of a crime in the death of a prison inmate left for nearly two hours in a hot shower, concluding that he died accidentally in part because of undiagnosed heart disease and suffered no burn injuries.

The memo released Friday by the office of Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle ends a lengthy criminal probe into the 2012 death of 50-year-old Darren Rainey, a mentally troubled man serving a two-year sentence on a cocaine charge.

An attorney for Rainey's family, Milton Grimes of Los Angeles, said in a statement that the family is "disappointed and heartbroken" no charges will be brought.

"This is not justice for Darren, for his family, nor for the mentally ill who have been subject to similar abuse and mistreatment," Grimes said.

The investigation found no evidence that officers at the Dade Correctional Institution regularly used the hot shower to punish or torture inmates, as some of them claimed after Rainey's death. Assistant State Attorneys Kathleen Hoague and Johnette Hardiman said in the 72-page memo that one inmate's assertions that Rainey was screaming for help and had been scalded to death were unfounded.

"The evidence fails to show that any correctional officer acted in reckless disregard of Rainey's life," they wrote.

Rainey was taken to the shower on June 23, 2012, after he had smeared feces on himself, the walls of his cell and his bedsheets. The shower, which was operated from an adjoining room by a corrections officer to prevent inmates from turning it off, was activated but Rainey refused to stand under the water, according to the memo.

Officer Roland Clarke told Rainey he couldn't go back to his cell until he washed off. Finally, Rainey said he would comply and asked for soap, which he was given, the memo says.

After starting to wash, Rainey said, "No, I don't want to do this," and leaned on a wall away from the water, Clarke told investigators. Officers continued to check on him, and finally after about two hours the decision was made to take Rainey out of the shower, but he was found lying face up in about 3 inches (8 centimeters) of water with no pulse and not breathing.

One inmate, Harold Hempstead, said he heard Rainey yelling and kicking at the shower door, saying, "I'm sorry. I won't do it any more" and "I can't take it no more." The prosecutors found Hempstead's claims, which he repeated to several news outlets, were not supported by other evidence, including video footage from inside the prison.

"Hempstead's testimony is inherently unreliable and therefore not credible," Hoague and Hardiman wrote.

Several witnesses said Rainey's skin appeared to be peeled back or reddish in some spots — one inmate claimed he looked like a "boiled lobster" — but an autopsy found this "slippage" was most likely caused by friction or pressure on his moist and warm skin. This could have happened during efforts to revive him, such as chest compressions, or when officers carried him out of the shower initially, the memo said.

The medical examiner, Emma Lew, attributed Rainey's death to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space. She said schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.

"It is not substantiated that the temperatures inside the shower room were excessively high," Lew wrote.

The prosecutors determined that corrections officers did not commit murder or manslaughter in Rainey's death and that taking him to the shower was appropriate under the circumstances.

"Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless," they wrote. "There was no evidence of any intent to harm Rainey."

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#1. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite, Tooconservative, nativist nationalist, Pinguinite, Deckard, All (#0)

Please take time to carefully notice how two different reporters from two different sources report the same story.

Start by comparing the headline of the story posted on this thread, that reads …

Prosecutors: No crime in Florida inmate's hot-shower death
… with the story posted here earlier on a different thread on this forum, where the headline reads …
Prison Guards Who Threw Inmate in Hot Shower, Killing Him, Committed No Crime, State’s Attorney Rules
Notice also how the reporter in the story posted on this thread consciously and professionally attached allied documents [including a 101 page detailed report] ….while the reporter in the second story intentionally neglected to include any supporting data and furnished absolutely no links to any of the information he mentioned in the article.

We normally are not afforded an opportunity to make such an objectively understanding comparison between the information in two different articles….since only the biased and conclusively damning yellow journalism article is usually posted to promote a cop-hating agenda.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   6:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#1)

Please take time to carefully notice how two different reporters from two different sources report the same story.

Okay.

Prison Guards Who Threw Inmate in Hot Shower, Killing Him, Committed No Crime, State’s Attorney Rules

Stone's article sounds so much more exciting. Inmate burned to death by heartless guards? {CLICK} times 100,000.

By comparison, your title barely rates a yawn, let alone a click. You should be paying us cash to read an article with such a boring title.

Clickbaitery is a race to the bottom and Stone's thread won, hands down.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   7:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#2) (Edited)

By comparison, your title barely rates a yawn …
After Stone said I am to use you as my “role model’ for proper posting techniques and procedures and perhaps even clone myself in your literary image….I carefully went back and read your post here trying to understand where I went wrong.

I promise, BOSS, I’ll keep trying….”I’ll keep shaking it.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   7:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I did an edit change on my Post #3....probably after you read it.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   7:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#3)

After Stone said I am to use you as my “role model’ for proper posting techniques and procedures and perhaps even clone myself in your literary image…

I wouldn't go that far.

Stone will probably dislike something I post tomorrow, call me an asshole and ban me.

redleghunter was far more worthy of Stone's praise than I am.

I think I probably get points from Stone because I always try to read most or all the article (a shameful bad habit that I just cannot break) and I try to make my first post on a thread directly address the article (before getting dragged into the swamp of hate-posting by various personages who are better left unnamed).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   8:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)

Stone's article sounds so much more exciting. Inmate burned to death by heartless guards?

Actually it wasn't my article. It was Reuters.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   9:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

in the death of a prison inmate left for nearly two hours in a hot shower

Is that standard procedure for the inmates to get two hour showers?

Why did someone give him a two hour shower?

Is there a law that says if you act up they put you in a shower for two hours?

Sorry but most prison guards are assholes who abuse their power They are not corrections officers they are guards. They did a study on guards at prisons and found this

"This research did not deal specifically with the issue of compliance but instead focused on the degree to which individuals adopted prescribed roles and the psychologically caustic effects of the prison environment upon guards and prisoners alike. The researchers observed “extremely pathological reactions that emerged in both groups of subjects” (Haney et al. 1973-80) with some guards becoming aggressive and sadistic while some prisoners became withdrawn and depressed. These results forced researchers to terminate the experiment after only six days although it had been scheduled for two weeks. *Haney et al. 1973) This study found that “throughout the experiment commands were given the most frequent form of verbal behavior” *Haney et al. 1973:80) Generally, the study found that prisoners to be compliant with the commands of the guards, with only 32 incidents of physical resistance observed this despite an escalation in the amount of harassment the guards demonstrated towards the prisoners”."

You can read the full report here.

www.zimbardo.com/download...20of%20Prisoners%20and%20 Guards,%20Naval%20Research%20Reviews.pdf

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

Actually it wasn't my article. It was Reuters.

Your article was written by an associate editor at Reason.com and posted on their Hit-And-Run sub-blog.

That's right, some dirty hippie libertarian type.

Okay, you can ban me now. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Is that standard procedure for the inmates to get two hour showers?

You shouldn't even allow prison showers that run at 160°F, as reported in one of these articles. You have laws against that kind of thing in rest homes and homes for disabled people for this exact reason.

That sounded disturbing to me. There should have been an independent autopsy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

A Herald investigation, first published in May, showed through public records and interviews by witnesses, including a nurse on duty at the time, that Rainey’s death was never properly investigated by the Department of Corrections or Miami-Dade police. Evidence also suggests that the Department of Corrections might have tried to cover up the incident.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami- dade/article1972693.html#storylink=cpy

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#1)

Now, how many people bothered to read the second story, absolving the guards of any wrongdoing?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours? Sounds like a bully.

Maybe Israel should routinely put palisades in hot showers for two hours. I'm sure you would support it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

I read both. I didn't find either of them completely convincing. The first one had a lot of allegations, the later article based on the report from the investigation didn't completely settle the issue.

People do die for no good reason in police custody. It seems to happen pretty frequently with crazies in prison who, in this country, get locked in prisons because there is no longer anywhere else to put them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   10:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours?"

Nope. Why do you ask?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)

"The first one had a lot of allegations, the later article based on the report from the investigation didn't completely settle the issue."

The first one had ZERO evidence to back up those allegations. The second one did.

Reminds me of what Rush said about the battle cry of liberals: "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   10:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#14) (Edited)

Because the article says a person was put in hot shower for two hours then the man died. You said you read the article then you said the guards were obsolved of any wrongdoing. Now you admit that what the guards did was not right.

So what punishment should the guards get?

I think they should be executed if they were the cause. They should be fired, jailed and fined for their cruel bullying act.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   10:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

"Because the article says a person was put in hot shower for two hours then the man died."

The second article disproved that allegation with facts and evidence.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

Actually it is in the first or second sentence of the article. You must have only read the headline.

You have a template then you make the narrative fit your preconceived biased opinion. As Rush would say.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

"Actually it is in the first or second sentence of the article. You must have only read the headline."

You need to read beyond the headline and the first or second sentence of the article:

"It is not substantiated that the temperatures inside the shower room were excessively high," (medical examiner) Lew wrote.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative, misterwhite (#7)

Why did someone give him a two hour shower?

They did NOT give him a shower for two hours.

He had spread shit all over his body, in his hair and on his cell walls….he had done that before and had even eaten it at times.

The guards took him to the shower and turned the water on.

He would not take a shower, he stood away and out of the water coming down in the shower…it was reported by the “lying” guards.

The guards left him there in the shower and checked back every thirty minutes on their rounds to see if he had taken a shower.

When he had not, after they checked three times....the supervisor said to put him back in his cell, still all covered with shit.

That was when they found him on the floor of the shower.

The shower room measures 3x8.5 feet. It had 2 vents, one with a fan and they was ample space for him to stand away from the shower where the water would never touch him. [See the pictures in the 101 page report].

The testimony from each different “lying” guards when they checked every 30 minutes was that he was never under the shower water, “he was always dry.”

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

But that makes the civilian guards just as bad as government employees, in the closed narrow minds of some….right?

That is all from the 101 page investigation, but then who can believe what is printed in there….right?

Is there a law that says if you act up they put you in a shower for two hours?
Probably no more of a law that said they had to give him a shower at all, to clean all the shit off of him….ya agree?
They did a study on guards at prisons and found “most prison guards are assholes who abuse their power.
And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?

Do you believe all the studies you read on the web are accurate….on only those you want to believe?

You can read the full report here.
I don’t need to read the full report….I’ll accept that it says what you said.

But, do I have to also believe it is accurate?

No, I don’t….I can accept that it may or it may not be TRUE. But then, that’s just this old geezer’s way of looking at things.

Like we agreed that bad prosecutors can lie….can we also agree that studies can lie to prove a point?

CAN WE …

In summation …

All I have posted here is from the 101 page report….I cannot of course vouch for the validity of the information.

Furthermore, I have no idea if the guards caused the death or not….and neither do you.

But as I have said, only the prosecutors have the right by law to make that decision and making such a decision based on an article published in Reason magazine is a completely irrational and asinine action.

You can go ahead and ban me now…if you like :) …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours? Sounds like a bully."

Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? Or do you find your cold showers sufficient?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#20)

All I have posted here is from the 101 page report….I cannot of course vouch for the validity of the information.

Furthermore, I have no idea if the guards caused the death or not….and neither do you.

Fair enough.

You should note that I used a lot of "if's and then's"

I don't know for sure what the truth is either.

But I am suspicious.

Something you should know. Sometimes I take a view opposite of mine just to test to see if there are any holes in it.

So remember just because I seemingly take a side I might actually have the opposite view or not be sure at all.

I also like to know why people have the opinion that they have

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#21)

Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? Or do you find your cold showers sufficient?

I prefer hot showers. A cold shower sometimes will wake your ass up though. Like last year when my gas hot water heater went out. Those were some cold showers. But I learned to replace a gas hot water heater. Oh but that isn't the subject of our discussion.

It could be a luxury. Or if to hot it could be torture.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#21)

"So you think it is right to stick someone in a hot shower for two hours?

misterwhite "Sounds like a luxury. I take hot showers, don't you? "

misterwhite "Nope. Why do you ask?"

A perfect example of taking two contradictory positions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#20)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?"

His source was The New York Times.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#20)

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

That is one thing that I think is wrong. Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government.

This is one thing I disagree with Trump on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"Or if to hot it could be torture."

Then the medical examiner would have found evidence of that. He didn't.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#25) (Edited)

His source was The New York Times.

My source was a scientific study. I remember hearing about a study like this years ago. I don't think this is the study that I heard about years ago. I think there are more studies that come to the same conclusion.

It is really just common sense. We are all humans and we sin. Any person you put in a position of authority where it hard for the ones they are in authority over to be believed or to even have a voice that can be heard. For these types of feelings to emerge.

They guards think they are in charge (and they are) so after time they start to look at the prisoners as lesser people who aren't deserving of being treated decently. And sometimes it is true they are scumbags that don't deserve to be treated decently. Still it is their job to treat the prisoners humanely.

If I was a guard I'm sure I would want to kick some of their asses too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#27)

Then the medical examiner would have found evidence of that. He didn't.

It would be more accurate and truthful to say the medical examiner said that. You and I don't really know and are just left with our opinions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#20)

But, do I have to also believe it is accurate?

No, I don’t….I can accept that it may or it may not be TRUE. But then, that’s just this old geezer’s way of looking at things.

I bet if Deckard cut you some slack and you did the same, and gave some non absolute answers like this that you two would understand each other better and maybe even respect each other some day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)

"Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government."

Should the government also run snow removal and garbage pickup? What about schools?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

"It would be more accurate and truthful to say the medical examiner said that."

I did say that in my post #19. Do you have a reason to doubt his conclusion?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#31)

Should the government also run snow removal and garbage pickup? What about schools?

Yes they should do the snow removal for the roads. If they found out a better cheaper way I wouldn't object.

They tax us here and that pays for the garbage pickup. I have no problem with that. If It was some other way and we paid directly that would be ok too.

But with prisons and controlling people. It is the governments job.

Would you be ok with private police officers that work for a corporation pulling you over. Heck throw in some private judges also. How about msnbc running the country? It would be in private hands

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite (#32)

I did say that in my post #19. Do you have a reason to doubt his conclusion?

Yes I have reason to doubt. For one example the nurse I quoted from an independant investigation reported by a local TV station I believe.

Also the guards would have motive to lie to protect themselves.

On the other hand I could see a prisoner lying about cleaning up dead skin also.

I'm trying to be open minded fair and truthful here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#31)

What about schools?

I think we should emulate what Germany does.

The government provides the funds but the parent decides where to send their kid.

I sent my kids to private school for years. Even though it was very difficult to afford and eventually I couldn't afford it anymore.

One of my kids got 11 years in private christian school One got probably 9 years. Another for about 7 years. My youngest chld was less fortunate and only went for probably 5 or six years.

Should I get a reimbursement since I paid taxes for public and then paid for private school too?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#22)

But I am suspicious.

Something you should know. Sometimes I take a view opposite of mine just to test to see if there are any holes in it.

So remember just because I seemingly take a side I might actually have the opposite view or not be sure at all.

I also like to know why people have the opinion that they have

I understand all of that ...

And you have long since realized that I do the same.

You also, realize, that while I use blunt language....it is never meant to be personal.

I stongly believe a person is entitled to their opinion....while I can hold mine.

We are in agreement.

I never thought you to be an asshole....

[But strictly between you and me….an no one else,
I am not to sure that Trueconservative does not.
You better watch him closely …]

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#11)

Now, how many people bothered to read the second story, absolving the guards of any wrongdoing?

Great question ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#25)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?"

His source was The New York Times.

OMG....I didn't even go there to see that.

I am glad I didn't....I would have raised the level of my post a couple of octaves.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#26)

And no, those guard bastards are were not government employees….they worked for a civilian contractor who ran the prison.

That is one thing that I think is wrong. Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. They should be run by the government. That is one of the purposes of government.

This is one thing I disagree with Trump on.

We agree ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-19   11:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#38)

"And of course you believe that study is 100% accurate….why?" His source was The New York Times.

OMG....I didn't even go there to see that.

I am glad I didn't....I would have raised the level of my post a couple of octaves.

I don't know where misterwhite got new york times. This is my source.

www.zimbardo.com/download...20of%20Prisoners%20and%20

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-19   11:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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