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Title: Idaho boy injured, family dog killed by government 'cyanide bomb'
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-bo ... ernment-cyanide-025850761.html
Published: Mar 18, 2017
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2017-03-18 09:19:44 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 294
Comments: 24

SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) - A "cyanide bomb" planted by U.S. predator-control agents targeting coyotes near homes and hiking trails in Idaho exploded when a boy handled the device, injuring him and killing his dog, authorities and relatives said on Friday.

Canyon Mansfield, 14, was playing with his yellow Labrador retriever, Casey, on Thursday afternoon near his home east of Pocatello when he saw what he thought was a sprinkler head on the ground and touched the device, causing it to detonate.

The explosion sprayed the boy and his 3-year-old, 90-pound (40 kg) pet with toxic cyanide gas, according to the boy's mother, Theresa Mansfield.

“Canyon said there was a bang like a bomb, then an explosion of an orange substance that covered him and Casey, who was writhing in pain on the ground before he died right in front of Canyon,” she said.

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#1. To: misterwhite (#0)

Can you tell us why this kid was a dumb ass and his dog deserved to die?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-18   9:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

I'll be interested to read that response.

I would also like to know who made the dumbass decision to deal with coyotes in such a stupid manner ?

I hope God will quickly heal the boy !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-18   10:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

"Can you tell us why this kid was a dumb ass and his dog deserved to die?"

From the U.S. Department of Agriculture Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Wildlife Services:

"Wildlife Services policies and procedures are designed to minimize unintentional take or capture of domestic pets. It posts signs and issues other warnings to alert pet owners when wildlife traps or other devices are being used in an area for wildlife damage management".

" M-44s are spring-activated devices that release cyanide when they are activated through upward pressure or pulling. These devices are only set at the request of and with permission from property owners or managers."

If the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass. I feel bad for the dog and the fact that he had a dumb ass owner.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#2)

"I hope God will quickly heal the boy!"

The teen was treated and released. He wasn't harmed.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   11:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#3)

If the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass. I feel bad for the dog and the fact that he had a dumb ass owner.

Exactly.

Of course, if the gas bomb was sited poorly (like 20-30 feet off a sidewalk or motorway), that may be cause for a complaint or even a lawsuit.

"Playing near his home" is too vague a description to have much confidence in.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-18   12:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

"if the gas bomb was sited poorly (like 20-30 feet off a sidewalk or motorway)"

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   13:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

When they were "lacking" you still chose your reflex regurgitation that the person is stupid and the government is god like.

You made up stuff to like trespassing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-18   14:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

"When they were "lacking" you still chose your reflex regurgitation that the person is stupid and the government is god like."

I gave you my reasons.

"You made up stuff to like trespassing."

"Trespassing is the legal term for the situation in which one person enters onto the land of another without permission or the legal right to be there."

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   14:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#6)

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

If we wait a bit, Deckard will have the Jonesy version of the story, fresh off AlterNet.

In that version, the boy and dog will be inside the kid's house when armed goon park rangers fly over and drop cyanide bombs on them.

It will be more exciting than this article was.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-18   15:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#8)

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

Maybe we should ask who has had personal experience with these little button-bombs used by animal control.

I didn't like them overall just because of the danger to cattle and wildlife. When put in the ground, they look like an old floor-style dimmer switch in a car. The coyote has to grab it and bite down a little to set it off. They dab it with a liquid scent to attract meateaters.

Some years back, we tried to thin the local coyotes. Results were so-so with a few taken out by the button-bombs and the mini-nooses hung off barbed wire.

It was far more effective when the animal control guy just hired a copter to fly him for an afternoon. He shot almost 150 coyotes that day. Everyone agreed that was by far the most effective thing to do.

I bet that that dog did nose around on this bomb. There should be adequate evidence on the dog's body around the mouth. And this is why the dog is dead and not the boy.

According to this local news reporting, the animal control people placed the cyanide bomb a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away from the house on a hill above the house. So we don't know the exact distance from the boy's house.

It seems the bomb was placed in a shallow gully up at the hilltop. Most likely, this was because there were coyote tracks or a game camera indicating that that is a path of travel by a pack of coyotes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-18   15:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#8)

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

So - anytime you are not on your own property, you are trespassing?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-03-18   16:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#11)

"So - anytime you are not on your own property, you are trespassing?"

Not if the area is designated for public use. Was he in an area designated for public use? If not, he was trespassing.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   16:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12)

I can walk in your grass anytime I want to. Unless you have a clearly visible no trespassing sign on it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-18   16:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

"I can walk in your grass anytime I want to. Unless you have a clearly visible no trespassing sign on it."

You would be trespassing. But, without a sign, I couldn't bring charges.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   17:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#3)

" "Wildlife Services policies and procedures are designed to minimize unintentional take or capture of domestic pets. It posts signs and issues other warnings to alert pet owners when wildlife traps or other devices are being used in an area for wildlife damage management".

Well Whitey, you owe the kid an apology. Observe the News Broadcast in post # 10, you will be advised that there were no signs, no warnings, etc. The Wildlife Services effed up here. It is much better to shoot coyotes, or use other means. Around here, we shoot them. Using these M-44's was a real DUMB ASS move !!

I suspect somebody got a little boost to their "retirement fund " from a vendor for approving the purchase & use of these things.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-18   17:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Stoner (#15)

"Observe the News Broadcast in post # 10, you will be advised that there were no signs, no warnings, etc."

Yeah. And they also said the cyanide bomb was a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away. So maybe there were signs. Maybe there weren't.

But I said, IF the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass."

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   17:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#16)

So maybe there were signs. Maybe there weren't.

The chances of us ever learning the truth via the Internet seems pretty damned slim.

Probably the local will get newspaper reporting on the full investigation of the case. But we'll never hear about it unless we follow up obsessively.

This is one of those stories that generates big headlines (and lots of click traffic) but you never hear the result of the full investigation. Generally, because the truth is never nearly as awful as the initial hysterical reports indicate. And yet we fall for these initial reports, despite the fact that we all know how often the first reporting on most anything is completely and flat-out wrong.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-18   18:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#14)

"I can walk in your grass anytime I want to. Unless you have a clearly visible no trespassing sign on it."

I don’t think you need a No Trespass sign in Idaho, if you …

Post the area with a minimum of one hundred (100) square inches of fluorescent orange, bright orange, blaze orange, safety orange or any similar high visibility shade of orange colored paint except that when metal fence posts are used, a minimum of eighteen (18) inches of the top of the post must be painted a high visibility shade of orange;

I know that is maybe just a technically and the property is still ”POSTED” as such.

But am I correct in that under the conditions of this paragraph, then no sign in required to enforce the No Trespass Law?

Just curious …

IDAHO LAW
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 70
TRESPASS AND MALICIOUS INJURIES TO PROPERTY

18- 7011.  Criminal trespass — Definition and punishment. (1) Any person who, without consent of the owner or person in charge of any lands which are inclosed [Sic] by fences of any description sufficient to show the boundaries of the land inclosed, shall go upon such lands and shall leave open any gates on or about said premises, or who shall tear down or lay down any fencing, or who shall willfully remove, mutilate, damage or destroy any "No Trespassing" signs or markers, or who shall go through cultivated crops that have not been harvested, or who shall damage any property thereon, or who without permission of the owner or the owner’s agent enters the real property of another person where such real property:
(a)  Is posted with "No Trespassing" signs;
(b)  Is posted with a minimum of one hundred (100) square inches of fluorescent orange, bright orange, blaze orange, safety orange or any similar high visibility shade of orange colored paint except that when metal fence posts are used, a minimum of eighteen (18) inches of the top of the post must be painted a high visibility shade of orange;
(c)  Is posted with other notices of like meaning, spaced at intervals of not less than one (1) sign, paint area or notice per six hundred sixty (660) feet along such real property; provided that where the geographical configuration of the real property is such that entry can reasonably be made only at certain points of access, such property is posted sufficiently for all purposes of this section if said signs, paint or notices are posted at such points of access; or
(d)  Is posted with a conspicuous sign where a public road enters the real property, through which or along which road the public has a right-of-way, stating words substantially similar to "PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING OFF (fill in relevant compass direction(s)) SIDE OF ROAD NEXT (fill in the distance) MILES," and which is posted with a conspicuous sign where the public road exits the real property stating words substantially similar to "LEAVING PRIVATE PROPERTY." The postings shall be placed on the private real property. In lieu of posting the compass direction(s), a map depicting the area of private property may be displayed on the sign;
is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six (6) months or by a fine of not less than twenty-five dollars ($25.00) and not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subsection and in section 18-7008, Idaho Code: "enters," "entry" and "entering" mean going upon or over real property either in person or by causing any object, substance or force to go upon or over real property.
(2)  No motor vehicle shall be willfully or intentionally driven into, upon, over or through any private land actively devoted to cultivated crops without the consent of the owner of the land or the tenant, lessee or agent of the owner of the land actively devoted to cultivated crops. Violation of the provisions of this section shall be a misdemeanor. For the purpose of this subsection, motor vehicle shall be defined as set forth in sections 49-114 and 49- 123, Idaho Code. Land actively devoted to cultivated crops shall be defined as land that is used to produce field crops including, but not limited to, grains, feed crops, legumes, fruits and vegetables.
History:
[18-7011, added 1972, ch. 336, sec. 1, p. 975; am. 1976, ch. 154, sec. 2, p. 551; am. 1984, ch. 37, sec. 1, p. 63; am. 1984, ch. 55, sec. 2, p. 95; am. 1988, ch. 265, sec. 561, p. 857; am. 2005, ch. 359, sec. 12, p. 1139; am. 2014, ch. 28, sec. 2, p. 40.]

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-18   18:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Even in the video you posted, the same news broadcast from the same news station reported that the cyanide bomb was a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house ... but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away.

And I think the word "bomb" is a little melodramatic.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   18:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#18)

I'm saying that even without a sign, trespassing is still possible. It's just that without a sign (or other indicators) it's unlikely you'd get a conviction for trespassing.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-18   18:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#20)

I'm saying that even without a sign, trespassing is still possible. It's just that without a sign (or other indicators) it's unlikely you'd get a conviction for trespassing.

I understand what you said....I have no problem with that.

I am only asking if a sign is needed should you use the prescribed paint markings?

I think not ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-18   18:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#19) (Edited)

Even in the video you posted, the same news broadcast from the same news station reported that the cyanide bomb was a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house ... but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away.

If you look back, I did mention it myself and compared it to many other well-known initial reports that turned out factually wrong. We can all name such cases where initial reporting was wildly wrong (e.g. Trayvon incident, Ferguson rioting, Gabby Giffords shooting, Boston Massacre, even 9/11, etc.).

Initial reports tend toward sensationalism just to draw clicks or viewers on the local news channel. So if a bunch of bored hack bloggers on Teh Interwebs decide that they can make clickbait titles and link to this story and rewrite in the most sensationalist way possible, they can drive big traffic to/from their sites and make money off it.

The Almighty Click meets the Almighty Dollar, so to speak.

And I think the word "bomb" is a little melodramatic.

Give Deckard a few hours and he'll come up with a version of this story that describes it as a "cyanide mini-nuke".

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-18   20:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

"If you look back, I did mention it myself ..."

Yes. That was a nice catch. We'll turn you into a law-and-order type yet.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-03-19   11:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#23)

We'll turn you into a law-and-order type yet.

I'll always be a rebel! LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-19   12:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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