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Title: No Mass Shootings: The Myth of Australia’s Gun Control Policy (More mass shootings then in America per capita, gun confiscations miserable failure)
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URL Source: https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/201 ... -australia-gun-control-policy/
Published: Jun 16, 2016
Author: SHAUN BROYHILL
Post Date: 2017-03-14 11:40:58 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 2237
Comments: 23

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

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#1. To: paraclete (#0)

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

When are you guys going to stop massacring each other?

Maybe if you had more guns in good peoples hands it wouldn't happen so much of the time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-14   11:42:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone, paraclete (#1)

" When are you guys going to stop massacring each other?

Maybe if you had more guns in good peoples hands it wouldn't happen so much of the time. "

Here is a novel idea. Try much harsher punishments on those convicted of violent crimes.

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-14   11:57:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#2)

Hows that working out for you? you have the largest prison population in the world and it hasn't curbed violent crime, we prefer our system of restricting opportunity, it is victim focused policing rather than freedom related policing.

Gun freedom has only made you a more violent society, we don't want to go down the same road, so our children grow up without expectancy that a major achievement in life is possession of a weapon

paraclete  posted on  2017-03-14   19:51:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#4)

" Hows that working out for you? you have the largest prison population in the world "

Well, not as well as it could be. We need to complete a bunch of death penalties. No repeat offenders. Unfortunately, we have too many slick tongued lawyers, liberal parole boards, and liberal judges.

I suggested more harsh penalties for your country, because you do not want the option of potential victims being able to defend themselves. That encourages crime.

But compared to you, at least here in the states, we have the right to bear arms, and can defend ourselves. You are stuck on wanting to take every ones guns, to bring about a fantasy of no violence, and turn the general population into prey waiting to be slaughtered, and make life safe for the predators. Not going to happen here in the states. If you get your dream of no weapons, when one of the predators is about to gut you like a fish, just remember, YOU ASKED FOR IT !

I will keep my firearms thank you. BTW, I have never been a victim of violent crime.

Snowflakes like you, and all your fellow gun control fanatics, while I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you have good intentions ( I think ), but you are all undeniably naive, stuck on being incredibly stupid, or you have ulterior motives!

Lions do not want the sheep to have the means to defend themselves !

Like I said, I will keep mine ! If you want to blindly step into the showers, you go right ahead !!!

Stoner  posted on  2017-03-15   12:39:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#10)

But compared to you, at least here in the states, we have the right to bear arms, and can defend ourselves. You are stuck on wanting to take every ones guns, to bring about a fantasy of no violence, and turn the general population into prey waiting to be slaughtered, and make life safe for the predators. Not going to happen here in the states. If you get your dream of no weapons, when one of the predators is about to gut you like a fish, just remember, YOU ASKED FOR I

NRA propaganda. We are not about taking guns away but regulating what guns can be used and who can possess them. The NRA hates the idea that we could successfully do that. Our circumstance is the way we want it, we don't need to change because you think we should be like you. We are not lobbying in your country for change but the NRA is lobbying here for change. If your politicians use us as an example, it should inform you there might be a better way, that is all.

our penalties are appropriate, we do not have a policy of locking up offenders forever, so we don't have a three strikes rule, what we have is a judiciary who take previous record into account when sentencing. We know that in a small number of cases there will be re-offenders, but what we have observed is that harsher penalties only mean we have to construct more prisons, so we have harsh penalties for some offences, like terrorism, and trafficing. As far as I am aware penalties have not deterred anyone from committing anything other than a minor offence.

paraclete  posted on  2017-03-15   22:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#11)

NRA propaganda.

Your country has more mass shootings then America per capita.

You have a beautiful country but you are lead by tyrants who take your guns away so you can't defend yourself.

Your destiny is a Chinese slave colony unless you get your heads out of your assholes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-16   10:04:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13) (Edited)

I think you need to follow your own advice, if ever a nation has its head up its arsehole it is yours

paraclete  posted on  2017-03-17   12:11:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: paraclete (#14)

The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Read it over and over until you understand that.

When you understand it get back to me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-03-17   13:01:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

What I understand is this more population doesn't make you smarter, nor does it lessen the incidence of violent crime or the miss use of guns. using statistics to argue a point is the refuge of a scoundrel. Australia is accused of many things because of its smaller population and vast lands, but being the murder capital of the world isn't one of them.

The interesting thing about this is the concern the US gun lobby places on it, and yet the possession of weapons isn't on the debate agenda in Australia. It is a non issue, we have more important things to worry about than whether a pirile mind thinks they should possess an assault weapon. We don't have teenagers shooting up schools or theatres, that is the only statistic that interests us. So we arn't interested in importing US weapons and I suggest that this is what is behind these debates.

When you have digested this get back to me

paraclete  posted on  2017-03-17 20:57:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Just a follow up so you arn't living in the dark created by NRA propaganda

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/06/australia-hasnt-had-a-mass-shooting-since- 1996/

When you understand the facts get back to me

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