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Title: Rand Paul Blocked By Armed Guards From New Obamacare Bill (Secure Location, Not Available)
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The Libertarian Republic
URL Source: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r ... med-guards-new-obamacare-bill/
Published: Mar 2, 2017
Author: Kody Fairfield
Post Date: 2017-03-02 21:44:20 by Hondo68
Keywords: Nancy Pelose revisited, Paul Ryan secret, Screw Job
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Comments: 73
the Republican Senator from Kentucky, Rand Paul, has tweeted out that he is currently being blocked by armed guards from viewing new, and the secretly kept Obamacare bill. It was hours earlier that Paul tweeted that he heard that the Obamacare bill, being touted as Obamacare-lite by critics, is ” under lock & key, in a secure location, & not available for me or the public to view.” I have been told that the House Obamacare bill is under lock & key, in a secure location, & not available for me or the public to view. — Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) March 2, 2017 The liberty minded Senator did not take kindly to this information and made his intention to share the bill with the public clear in another tweet. I am heading to the secure location where they are keeping the House obamacare bill. I will demand a copy for the American people. — Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) March 2, 2017 Upon his arrival at a House hideaway in the Capitol, Paul claimed he was told he could not remove the bill and make it public. The Senator then held an impromptu press conference for media complaining about House Republicans’ lack of transparency, reports Politico. .@RandPaul outside the "secret office for the secret bill." pic.twitter.com/fY8BAVqwvd — Eli Yokley (@eyokley) March 2, 2017 Reports also came in that Paul brought a copy machine with him, presumably to make copies of the bill to share with anyone who’d listen. .@randpaul wasn't allowed to see the House GOP's Obamacare bill. Brought his own copy machine, just in case. pic.twitter.com/KpAXhfltsV — Eli Yokley (@eyokley) March 2, 2017 Politico reports that Paul had an exchange with a staffer as he tried to make off with the draft bill, which could be voted on later this month. “I said I liked to get a copy and they said no go. She wouldn’t tell us anything really,” Paul said in an interview afterward. “Even if I were allowed to look at it, which it didn’t look like I was, how is that democracy?” Republican aides said they believed the room on the first floor of the Capitol is being used for Energy and Commerce members to read the bill. Rep. Paul Tonko (D-N.Y.), a committee member, said he was also not able to read the bill and was told it was not available, explains Politico. “It’s literally illegal in my state to do that,” Paul said in the interview. “You can understand for national security why we do it. But for goodness sakes for a healthcare bill? It’s crazy.” The battle for transparency is likely a case that will leave those who want honest repeal of Obamacare completed, either an entire replacement of the legislation or a complete scrapping of it, not a watered down Obamacare-lite version which would keep key provisions of the old bill. The plans for blowing up the Death Star were less closely guarded than the Republican replace and repeal bill. https://t.co/jwPQMyF0y8 — Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) March 2, 2017 Poster Comment: Paul Ryan - You've got to pass it, to see what's in it? ObamaCare-lite = RyanCare
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
I recall when it was a scandal for the Dems to lock away their healthcare bill in the Senate and refuse to let anyone see it, even GOP senators.
Nancy Pelosi & Paul Ryan, no difference whatsoever. D&R party shuck 'n jive. Throw in Boehner for waterworks! I thought we were finally able to forget that weepy old bitch until he turned up for a little attention-whoring last week (along with Dumbya Bush). Funny how credible those two are now if they say 0dingaCare can't be repealed or if Bush, after 8 years of silence on 0bama, takes cheap shots at Trump while flacking his truly horrible collection of "paintings".
If we had a president instead of a confused screw-up, he would send in a platoon of special forces to gain access to the bill, with instructions to kill anybody, including the so-called armed guards that offered any resistance whatsoever. Pile up the bodies, but find out what these assholes are hiding from the American people.
This article in nothing more than a promotional propaganda libertarian hit piece….and a very weak one at that. What we see here is simply Rand Paul once again grandstanding to display his ostentatious behavior and speech intended to impress people like he once tried to do when exercising a rare “talking filibuster” that has not been seen in years….his filibuster that proved to be a waste of time because he accomplished nothing when other national issues confronted the Senate. The republican health care overhaul in the house is still a “work in progress” since House Republicans cannot agree on some details or cost estimates. What is behind that closed door that Rand is being so anus about is simply a “rough sketch” of the massive health care overhaul that was unveiled to all rank-and- file Republican member of Congress on February 18. There is no “new Obamacare bill” as the Libertarian Republic so biasedly and dishonestly labeled it. So far, there is only a broad vision for voiding much of Obama’s ACA and replacing it with conservative policies, as the work in progress was described by Ryan at a closed-door meeting in the Capitol basement in late February. The work in progress features a carefully revamped Medicaid program for the poor, tax breaks to help people pay doctor’s bills and federally subsidized state pools to assist those folks with costly medical conditions in buying insurance. There is “no single bill” that Rand Paul wants to see. There are still different ideas options and many are controversial including the one being pushed by Ryan to replace the tax increases in Obama’s law. Some Senate Republicans have criticized a House Republican plan to change how corporations are taxed and in mid-January Rand Paul announced he is drafting a new healthcare care plan to replace the ACA. I would think since the “working bill” has already been made available to all rank-and-file House Members that Rand Paul already knew exactly what is in the House “working bill” he therefore didn’t go on a mission in search of information. So, Rand Paul charging from the Senate over to the House, dragging his little portable copy machine behind him, in search of the “work in progress” house bill was not on a “search for information”….Rand was on a “search and destroy mission” to pour water on the powder in the House Republican ammunition bag they are loading. Why should the House Republicans allow a copy of a “work in progress” bill under constant change to be floated in public by Rand Paul just so Rand can use it to promote Rand’s own version of the bill? There is no reason they should….and they didn’t. So, a pouting Rand Paul had to drag his butt back over to the Senate, pulling his little portable copy machine behind him [but not before he made sure all cameras were on him], where he should keep his grandstanding ass on the Senate side to do his job there and stop haranguing the House members with the continuing display of a six-year-old spoiled child temperament….so typical of libertarians. JMO …
So a senator discovered he wasnt all powerful, fancy that
Paul Ryan was on Hannity this week. He claimed he supported "Dr. Paul's bill. He also said he didn't support some bill whose details leaked.
Time is short. Lets just say you are wrong on a whole host of issues here. They should release the bill so the public can see what their servants are doing. The butler isn't allowed to lock out the owner.
When time is short, you make the best of it. Rand Paul as a Senator is not making the best use of short time by trying to interfere with “work in progress” on a bill in the House. I am not discussing “a whole host of issues here.” I am discussing only Rand Paul trying to go above, outside and around established and prescribed congressional procedures. What bill? Congress has no bill to release “so the public can see.” The House has “work in progress” on a bill that when ready, will be sent to the Senate. However, Rand Paul has stated that he has his drafted version of the bill, but he hasn’t released it to the public….has he? If so, I have not seen it….have you? Rand Paul isn’t the OWNER of the House of Representatives….and he can be, AND WAS, damned well LOCKED out. When the House has finished writing their bill, there is then a prescribed procedure for the bill to flow from the House to the Senate. Rand Paul LEARNED to his stupefying dismay, while pulling his little portable copy machine around capitol hill, that his libertarian ass WILL follow that procedure and he CANNOT shortcut it for publicity. Fuck him - the world does not revolve around his libertarian prima donna ass demands …
Amen to that ...
Speaker Ryan spoke with Senate Republicans Tuesday to assure everyone that an Obamacare repeal is under way. Paul stormed out of the meeting [I’ll take my ball and go home if you don’t play my way], frustrated [like a little spoiled kid pouting] …
I bet there are 20 different versions of bills to replace Obamacare. Why would the Republicans release any one of them? What's the upside to releasing something that may never happen? The downside, however, is huge.
Right. Hurry up a release a healthcare bill and expect the result to be different than when they hurried up and released the refugee bill.
JMO … Your "opinions" always come down on the side of an all-powerful gooberment. Why is that exactly? Oh - and when have you ever said anything humbly? You're one of the biggest braggarts on the site and a master at self-aggrandizement. I have only shown where Rand Paul acted like a spoiled brat when he “stormed out of an Obamacare meeting with Speaker Ryan” and went over to the House side, pulling his little copy machine … … with the press in two portray himself as an asshole. A mission which he sufficiently accomplished….the part about portraying himself as an asshole. Because I am always right and I do not have a warped libertarian anti-government and cop-hating agenda as you do.
When I forcefully speak the truth….that is not being a braggart. It behooves every clear thinking democracy loving individual to forcefully speak out against fake news, lies and spin from you Paultard libertarian misguided individuals. I consider it a duty and a responsibility to say something….it is incumbent on me to do everything within my power to snatch ignorant people like your from the politically dangerous predicaments you always get yourselves into. It is my personal concern for you and because of the alarmingly dangerous state that you as a “libertarian believer” find yourself in….I therefore urge you to take immediate and fast-acting measures to deliver yourself to accepting the truth and be rescued from your untenable predicament.
Yes, I saw it:
When I forcefully speak the truth….that is not being a braggart. It behooves every clear thinking democracy loving individual to forcefully speak out against fake news, lies and spin from you Paultard libertarian misguided individuals. I consider it a duty and a responsibility to say something….it is incumbent on me to do everything within my power to snatch ignorant people like you from the politically dangerous predicaments you always get yourselves into. It is my personal concern for you and because of the alarmingly dangerous state that you as a “libertarian believer” find yourself in….I therefore urge you to take immediate and fast-acting measures to deliver yourself to accepting the truth and be rescued from your untenable predicament.
The GOP has been campaigning and working on this for 6 years or so. Was it all BS, or do they really have an alternate plan? They passed repeal of ObamaCare last year, so why can't the do it again when they have a president that will sign it? I agree. Rand had undoubtedly been tipped off to its contents and it is approaching a final form, I think. Trump's SOTU indicated he would back Ryan, at least in broad terms. The train is leaving the station so Rand is trying to stop it there before the GOP creates a big new entitlement (tax credits for healthcare, even for those who pay no taxes). The GOP is on a roll similar to that which produced their foul and truly hated Pill Bill back in 2004. "If we don't pass it, the Dems will pass it and it will be even worse!" Well, if that is your excuse it just means the GOP will be just as liberal and irresponsible as the Dims in a race to the Left and a full-blown cradle-to-grave welfare state. This is why Rand did it.
Last year and the previous 5 years as well. As Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and the House conservative caucus all say, "Let's pass the same bill we sent to 0bama in 2015." They're right. They didn't run on repeal-and-replace all those years. Neither did Trump. They all ran on "repeal" alone. Now they want to toss in "replace". Well, if so, they still need to keep their promise and fully repeal 0dingaCare now. Do it first. It won't expire this year anyway so no one will lose their health care.
The framers of the US Constitution forcefully rejected Democracy, or the mob rule which you favor. They gave us . Thank you for explaining why you hate America. You want a 51% or more majority, to oppress and enslave America. NOT going to happen, tyrant scumbag! The only time you do this is each time you find me posting alone and no one else sees it. What purpose does that serve for you? I know you can do it, I have seen it a number of times. You first showed me you can do it when I was again posting alone on LP. If you are lonely and want to say hello, then I can understand that….and I will now say hello back to you. But if you have a message for me other than showing you can interrupt service, the post through one of the names you have been stashing away for years….I see you just reactivated one after an extended absence. If you don’t want to say hello and want to make a statement of power or retaliation, then remember that I am not the person who banned you. So, wait until the person who banned you is actively posting and show him your little trick….it means nothing to me, other than just a conversation point and it also serves to remind me of the asshole you really are. Ta-ta …
A new piece on the strategery. And soon time will be up. “We’re all working off the same piece of paper, the same plan,” Ryan said at a Thursday news conference when asked about conservative opposition. “We are in sync — the House, the Senate and the Trump administration, because this law is collapsing.”… Privately, senior Republican lawmakers and staff are more blunt. They say they have no problem steamrolling conservatives by daring them to vote against an Obamacare repeal that their constituents have demanded for years. “Conservatives are going to be in a box,” said one senior Republican lawmaker. Trump, the source predicted, eventually will “go out front and … tell the conservatives … they’re either for this or for keeping Obamacare.” Yup, that’s what the Journal reported a week ago. The strategy in Congress right now to build Republican consensus is to … admit that there isn’t Republican consensus and then to have the leadership slap a bill on the table and dare dissenters to vote against it. No one’s afraid of defying Ryan but everyone’s afraid of defying Trump, which is why Ryan is emphasizing that he and the White House are “in sync.” Not just rhetorically, either: Mike Pence is in Wisconsin today to show White House solidarity with Ryan at an event to promote the coming health-care reform and Trump’s HHS chief Tom Price has been meeting with conservative dissenters like Rand Paul and Mark Meadows to try to sell them on the new plan. Sneaky GOPe bastards.
Rand’s primary concern is of course the draft bill he wishes to pass….and that is as it should be. But he did not need to make a complete ass of himself with all of the dramatics, dragging a portable copy machine behind him all over the Capitol Building. I feel certain that every media would have given him ample time to express his position and reason….if only he had requested it. That would have shown more dignity than having the press trail him over to the House and hastily call a news conference whining that the “the big boys want let little ole me in.” I was actually on the way to gaining some respect for Rand after his defeat in his run for POTUS and the otherwise strong action he has been taking lately in the Senate. But this antic placed him back on my sh*t list….and rightly so. Right now, I think Rand is too impressed with the power he “thinks” he has.
None of the Democrats are voting for Trump's cabinet nominees. Does that mean they all believe his nominees are unfit, or is it simply a protest vote? There's your answer.
He did get the cameras and some news blurbs on FNC and FBC, probably CNN and others too. I bet he thinks it was a success. It's uphill to rally the remaining Tea Party folks to weigh in and put pressure on their congresscritters.
There is no evidence to show that Rand Paul with his silly stunt slowed the process down in any way. All Rand’s silly stunt did was make HIM LOOK SILLY. Well, Rand’s publicity stunt actually made him look like an immature spoiled kid….pouting.
No doubt ...
Senator, it is not a matter of you being “told” anything. You can shoot your mouth off all you want to….and you have the right to do that. But in the end, when it comes down to the nitty gritty….it’s a matter of you being ASKED how YOU vote. And REMEMBER….you are only ONE of ONE HUNDRED votes.
You need to explain how your statement correlates in either a complementary, parallel, or reciprocal relation when I said: How does when I say that: “It behooves every clear thinking democracy loving individual to forcefully speak out against fake news, lies and spin from you Paultard libertarian misguided individuals” explain anything about hating America? Just exactly where did I say I want a 51% majority to oppress and enslave America, show me….YOU CAN’T. That is a phrase you just pulled out of your ass while trying unsuccessfully to attack me. Since you obviously are too dumb to understand squat….let me try to undertake the difficult and probably unachievable task of educating you on the voting rules in the Senate and the House. You may be surprised to learn that the voting rules haven't changed in a few decades, but the customs have. In both the Senate and the House, you still need a majority (50%+1) to pass a bill and in the House, that's the only consideration. However, the rules in the Senate are a bit more complex. If the bill makes it to a vote, it needs only 51 votes. But you can debate as long as you wish before it goes to a vote. You can force someone to stop deliberating by a cloture vote and that takes 60 votes. But you need to debate before it gets to a vote. The Senate fancies itself the "world's greatest deliberative body", and they'll deliberate as long as somebody wants to. You can force them to stop deliberating by a cloture vote, and that takes 60 votes. It took 67 votes at one time to invoke cloture. That was changed in 1975 so that it wasn't just a talking contest. when that happened, it became possible to block any measure forever if you had 41 Senators. This was done rarely for a long time, not because of the rules but because of the customs. In recent years, the use of filibusters has spiked, and it is now considered essentially mandatory on any bill except the most banal. So ignorant one, it ONLY takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the Senate and the House….and it takes 60 votes to stop someone in the Senate from filibustering….to pass a bill with 51 votes. Why are you such a clumsy bungling dumb cluck? Oh, I know….you are a Gary Johnson libertarian freak, and that explains it.
I'm guessing they have his number blocked. MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
If Cruz/Paul/Lee can find another GOP senator or two, it would spell real trouble. Too bad Sessions isn't still in the Senate. He probably would have opposed this bill.
Too bad Sessions isn't still in the Senate. He probably would have opposed this bill. It definitely could spell trouble. Which bill....I thought "the bill" was still a "work in progress."
Ronald Reagan, Rand, Ron Paul and family, all supporters of the republic of the USA. it ONLY takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the Senate and the House… They're all opposed to Gatlin's democratic revolution to overthrow the republic. God bless the republic of the USA. Down with Gatlin's Gay Canary democracy! Rand loves these publicity stunts, but he's likely to fall into line with Mitch McConnel and the Trump establishment when push comes to shove. He's sort of neocon-lite. Not true. McConnell can declare an unending "legislative day" that can span many calendar days. Then, under Senate rules, you can let each member in opposition speak twice. Then you have to vote and a simple majority will carry it. It's all in the Senate rules. This is how they passed the Civil Rights Act back in the Sixties. The same rules are still there, they are among the oldest and most established rules, along with the filibuster. However, if they bring just a budget reconciliation bill that matches exactly a bill in the House, then they can just invoke a simple majority vote without any debate at all. The Senate has a lot of sneaky rules. This is the kind of stuff Robert Byrd was so famous for.
Ya had me going with you right up to that point. It was a freaking DRAFT,NOT an actual bill,and he had no more right to see it and blab to the public about the debate over it in committee than you or I have. This was nothing more than Paul grandstanding. I am rapidly losing respect for this phoney. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
IT'S NOT A BILL,IT'S A FREAKING DRAFT. Nobody has any idea at this point what is going to be in the bill when it finally appears because it is still being negotiated. If we had a president instead of a confused screw-up, he would send in a platoon of special forces to gain access to the bill, with instructions to kill anybody, including the so-called armed guards that offered any resistance whatsoever. Pile up the bodies, but find out what these assholes are hiding from the American people. Is that you,Adolph? If it is,somebody should tell you that this is America,and in America the politician's can't order the military to kill civilians. Robert,I KNOW you have heard of Posse Comitatus,and if that has slipped your mind,you might want to seek medical care. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
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#2. To: Tooconservative, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#1)
it was a scandal for the Dems to lock away their healthcare bill in the Senate and refuse to let anyone see it
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
Throw in Boehner for waterworks!
#4. To: hondo68 (#0)
Republican aides said they believed the room on the first floor of the Capitol is being used for Energy and Commerce members to read the bill. Rep. Paul Tonko (D-N.Y.), a committee member, said he was also not able to read the bill and was told it was not available, explains Politico.
#5. To: hondo68 (#0)
Rand Paul Blocked By Armed Guards From New Obamacare Bill (Secure Location, Not Available)
As he should have been …
#6. To: Gatlin (#5)
#7. To: Tooconservative (#1)
#8. To: Gatlin (#5)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
(Edited)
Time is short.
Lets just say you are wrong on a whole host of issues here.
They should release the bill so the public can see what their servants are doing.
The butler isn't allowed to lock out the owner.
#10. To: paraclete (#6)
So a senator discovered he wasnt all powerful, fancy that
#11. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Paul Ryan was on Hannity this week. He claimed he supported "Dr. Paul's bill.
If so, that was then and this is now: Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) walked out of an Obamacare meeting with Speaker Ryan [you solve nothing by walking away, Rand] over Medicaid expansion and the lack of progress to repeal Obamacare.
#12. To: hondo68 (#0)
#13. To: Gatlin (#11)
#14. To: Gatlin (#5)
This article in nothing more than a promotional propaganda libertarian hit piece....
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#15. To: Deckard (#14)
Your "opinions" always come down on the side of an all-powerful gooberment.
I have stated no opinion here on the side of the government. 
Why is that exactly
When I state an opinion that falls on the side of the government?
#16. To: Deckard (#14)
You're one of the biggest braggarts on the site and a master at self- aggrandizement.
Nah!
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#18. To: Deckard (#14)
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You're one of the biggest braggarts on the site and a master at self- aggrandizement.
Nah!
#19. To: misterwhite (#13)
Hurry up a release a healthcare bill and expect the result to be different than when they hurried up and released the refugee bill.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#20. To: Gatlin (#5)
So, Rand Paul charging from the Senate over to the House, dragging his little portable copy machine behind him, in search of the “work in progress” house bill was not on a “search for information”….Rand was on a “search and destroy mission” to pour water on the powder in the House Republican ammunition bag they are loading.
Why should the House Republicans allow a copy of a “work in progress” bill under constant change to be floated in public by Rand Paul just so Rand can use it to promote Rand’s own version of the bill?
#21. To: hondo68 (#19)
They passed repeal of ObamaCare last year, so why can't the do it again when they have a president that will sign it?
#22. To: Gatlin, favors mob rule, democracy, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#18)
It behooves every clear thinking democracy loving individual to forcefully speak out
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
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#24. To: hondo68, Gatlin (#19)
They're going to try to get Trump to steamroll House conservatives. I'm not sure what they can in the Senate if Paul/Lee/Cruz vote no. They'd still need at least one Dem to pass it. See now why Rand Paul was trying yesterday to slow this process down, even if it required a silly stunt to do so? A year ago, fiscal conservatives in Congress would have had no difficulty stoking suspicions among the base that Ryan’s plan to fix ObamaCare involved a whole new entitlement program in the guise of “reform.” A year later, with Trump seemingly behind the Ryan plan, all of that grassroots leverage is gone. To mobilize any significant chunk of the right against a Trump/Ryan proposal, Paul and his allies need time. At a closed-door meeting with Republicans on Thursday, Speaker Paul Ryan said he plans for the House to hold a vote on the leadership’s Obamacare alternative in three weeks, sources in the room told POLITICO. The White House and the Senate support the House GOP leadership’s effort, Ryan added — comments many in the room took as a warning for the far right to get in line…
#25. To: Tooconservative (#20)
This is why Rand did it.
Excellent analysis. 
#26. To: hondo68 (#19)
They passed repeal of ObamaCare last year, so why can't the do it again when they have a president that will sign it?"
#27. To: Gatlin (#25)
But he did not need to make a complete ass of himself with all of the dramatics, dragging a portable copy machine behind him all over the Capitol Building.
#28. To: Tooconservative (#24)
See now why Rand Paul was trying yesterday to slow this process down, even if it required a silly stunt to do so?
#29. To: Tooconservative (#27)
I bet he thinks it was a success.
#30. To: hondo68 (#22)
Sen. Rand Paul: “I’m not going to be told to take it or leave it.”
#31. To: hondo68 (#22)
(Edited)
The framers of the US Constitution forcefully rejected Democracy, or the mob rule which you favor. They gave us a Republic.
WTF are you talking about….idiot? It behooves every clear thinking democracy loving individual to forcefully speak out against fake news, lies and spin from you Paultard libertarian misguided individuals.
You can’t do that….I understand. Thank you for explaining why you hate America.
You want a 51% or more majority, to oppress and enslave America.
You want a 51% or more majority….NOT going to happen!
#32. To: Gatlin, gunrunner, G-man MENdosey, WilLEE Maise wallA, beeACHES!! (#30)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#33. To: 33 (#32)
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#34. To: Gatlin (#31)
However, the rules in the Senate are a bit more complex. If the bill makes it to a vote, it needs only 51 votes. But you can debate as long as you wish before it goes to a vote. You can force someone to stop deliberating by a cloture vote and that takes 60 votes.
#35. To: Tooconservative (#34)
If Cruz/Paul/Lee can find another GOP senator or two, it would spell real trouble.
#36. To: Gatlin, Canary Democracy revolution, Canary Jihad (#31)
Wrong again. It takes more than that 51 votes in the House, because there are more seats. Please quit lying, or at least try to cut back.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#37. To: Tooconservative (#24)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#38. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#31)
But you need to debate before it gets to a vote. The Senate fancies itself the "world's greatest deliberative body", and they'll deliberate as long as somebody wants to. You can force them to stop deliberating by a cloture vote, and that takes 60 votes.
#39. To: hondo68 (#0)
Politico reports that Paul had an exchange with a staffer as he tried to make off with the draft bill, which could be voted on later this month.
#40. To: rlk (#4)
Republican aides said they believed the room on the first floor of the Capitol is being used for Energy and Commerce members to read the bill. Rep. Paul Tonko (D-N.Y.), a committee member, said he was also not able to read the bill and was told it was not available, explains Politico.
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