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Title: 2nd Amendment needs to be repealed ... because it is outdated - a threat to liberty - a suicide pact" --- says constitutional law professor
Source: rollingstone.com
URL Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic ... ms-20160613#comment-3140180826
Published: Feb 6, 2017
Author: David S. Cohen
Post Date: 2017-02-06 12:16:55 by BorisY
Keywords: brave new world 1984 666 dieve, brave new world 1984 666 dieve, brave new world 1984 666 dieve
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Why It's Time to Repeal the Second Amendment

"[It] needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact," says constitutional law professor

  In his Tuesday press conference, President Obama spoke about reinstating a national assault-weapons ban to help prevent mass shootings.

By David S. Cohen

June 13, 2016

I teach the Constitution for a living. I revere the document when it is used to further social justice and make our country a more inclusive one. I admire the Founders for establishing a representative democracy that has survived for over two centuries.

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But sometimes we just have to acknowledge that the Founders and the Constitution are wrong. This is one of those times. We need to say loud and clear: The Second Amendment must be repealed.

As much as we have a culture of reverence for the founding generation, it's important to understand that they got it wrong — and got it wrong often. Unfortunately, in many instances, they enshrined those faults in the Constitution. For instance, most people don't know it now, but under the original document, Mitt Romney would be serving as President Obama's vice president right now because he was the runner-up in the last presidential election. That part of the Constitution was fixed by the Twelfth Amendment, which set up the system we currently have of the president and vice president running for office together.

Much more profoundly, the Framers and the Constitution were wildly wrong on race. They enshrined slavery into the Constitution in multiple ways, including taking the extreme step of prohibiting the Constitution from being amended to stop the slave trade in the country's first 20 years. They also blatantly wrote racism into the Constitution by counting slaves as only 3/5 of a person for purposes of Congressional representation. It took a bloody civil war to fix these constitutional flaws (and then another 150 years, and counting, to try to fix the societal consequences of them).

There are others flaws that have been fixed (such as about voting and Presidential succession), and still other flaws that have not yet been fixed (such as about equal rights for women and land-based representation in the Senate), but the point is the same — there is absolutely nothing permanently sacrosanct about the Founders and the Constitution. They were deeply flawed people, it was and is a flawed document, and when we think about how to make our country a more perfect union, we must operate with those principles in mind.

In the face of yet another mass shooting, now is the time to acknowledge a profound but obvious truth – the Second Amendment is wrong for this country and needs to be jettisoned.

We can do that through a Constitutional amendment. It's been done before (when the Twenty-First Amendment repealed prohibition in the Eighteenth), and it must be done now.

AR-15-style semi-automatic rifles. Scott Olson/Getty

The Second Amendment needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact. When the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, there were no weapons remotely like the AR-15 assault rifle and many of the advances of modern weaponry were long from being invented or popularized.

Sure, the Founders knew that the world evolved and that technology changed, but the weapons of today that are easily accessible are vastly different than anything that existed in 1791. When the Second Amendment was written, the Founders didn't have to weigh the risks of one man killing 49 and injuring 53 all by himself. Now we do, and the risk-benefit analysis of 1791 is flatly irrelevant to the risk-benefit analysis of today.

Gun-rights advocates like to make this all about liberty, insisting that their freedom to bear arms is of utmost importance and that restricting their freedom would be a violation of basic rights.

But liberty is not a one way street. It also includes the liberty to enjoy a night out with friends, loving who you want to love, dancing how you want to dance, in a club that has historically provided a refuge from the hate and fear that surrounds you. It also includes the liberty to go to and send your kids to kindergarten and first grade so that they can begin to be infused with a love of learning. It includes the liberty to go to a movie, to your religious house of worship, to college, to work, to an abortion clinic, go to a hair salon, to a community center, to the supermarket, to go anywhere and feel that you are free to do to so without having to weigh the risk of being gunned down by someone wielding a weapon that can easily kill you and countless others. The liberty of some to own guns cannot take precedence over the liberty of everyone to live their lives free from the risk of being easily murdered. It has for too long, and we must now say no more.

Finally, if we take the gun-rights lobby at their word, the Second Amendment is a suicide pact. As they say over and over, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. In other words, please the gun manufacturers by arming even the vast majority of Americans who do not own a gun.

Just think of what would have happened in the Orlando night-club Saturday night if there had been many others armed. In a crowded, dark, loud dance club, after the shooter began firing, imagine if others took out their guns and started firing back. Yes, maybe they would have killed the shooter, but how would anyone else have known what exactly was going on? How would it not have devolved into mass confusion and fear followed by a large-scale shootout without anyone knowing who was the good guy with a gun, who was the bad guy with a gun, and who was just caught in the middle? The death toll could have been much higher if more people were armed.

The gun-rights lobby's mantra that more people need guns will lead to an obvious result — more people will be killed. We'd be walking down a road in which blood baths are a common occurrence, all because the Second Amendment allows them to be.

At this point, bickering about the niceties of textual interpretation, whether the history of the amendment supports this view or that, and how legislators can solve this problem within the confines of the constitution is useless drivel that will lead to more of the same. We need a mass movement of those who are fed up with the long-dead Founders' view of the world ruling current day politics. A mass movement of those who will stand up and say that our founding document was wrong and needs to be changed. A mass movement of those who will thumb their nose at the NRA, an organization that is nothing more than the political wing of the country's gun manufacturers, and say enough is enough.

The Second Amendment must be repealed, and it is the essence of American democracy to say so.

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Dan Garcia

There was nothing about TV, radio, or social media back when the Constitution was drafted either. You want to repeal freedom of speech because technology advanced? If you don't like America, move. You have no business teaching this.

9:42 a.m., Monday Feb. 6 |

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Poster Comment:

the liberty to

enjoy a night out with friends,

loving who you want to love,

dancing how you want to dance, in a club that has historically provided a refuge from the hate and fear that surrounds you.

It also includes the liberty to go to and

send your kids to kindergarten and first grade so that they can begin to be infused with a love of learning.

It includes the liberty to

go to a movie,

to your religious house of worship,

to college,

to work,

to an abortion clinic,

go to a hair salon,

to a community center,

to the supermarket,

to go anywhere and feel that you are free to do to so without having to weigh the risk of being gunned down by someone wielding a weapon that can easily kill you and countless others.

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#1. To: BorisY (#0)

"Gun-rights advocates like to make this all about liberty, insisting that their freedom to bear arms is of utmost importance and that restricting their freedom would be a violation of basic rights."

Liberty in the sense of maintaining liberty against an oppressive government. For that, we need more second amendment rights, not less.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-02-06   13:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Liberty in the sense of maintaining liberty against an oppressive government. For that, we need more second amendment rights, not less.

At one time in your history you actually used these rights and it was a disaster and led to destruction of a large part of the country

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-06   16:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#2) (Edited)

your history

It's nice for you ---

to play fantasy politics ---

grade your own papers too !

the civil war hasn't stopped !

Increasingly, though, Ohioans have armed themselves out of fear – whether from bureaucrats who link more guns to the perception of more violence or from some media and politicians who exploit crime in America as President Donald Trump did on the campaign trail ... equating some cities --- to Third World countries.

Who do you think is winning !

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49686&Disp=All

... equating some people

... equating some parties *

* lynching's

* witch hunts

* genocide

* hate crimes

* social engineering

* brain washing

* indoctrinations

* purges

* specious rights

* black mail

* extortion

* persecution

* confiscations

* torture

* white Slavery

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2017-02-06   17:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete (#2)

"At one time in your history you actually used these rights and it was a disaster and led to destruction of a large part of the country"

It's still destroying large parts of our country.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-02-06   18:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BorisY (#0) (Edited)

the liberty to

enjoy a night out with friends,

loving who you want to love,

dancing how you want to dance, in a club that has historically provided a refuge from the hate and fear that surrounds you.

It also includes the liberty to go to and

send your kids to kindergarten and first grade so that they can begin to be infused with a love of learning.

It includes the liberty to

go to a movie,

to your religious house of worship,

to college,

to work,

to an abortion clinic,

go to a hair salon,

to a community center,

to the supermarket,

to go anywhere and feel that you are free to do to so without having to weigh the risk of being gunned down by someone wielding a weapon that can easily kill you and countless others.

An exposition into fantasy and lyrical creative writing. I''ve been doing these things for over 70 years without the fear you talk about.

I have been hit by a car while walking on foot in a shopping mall by a kid using a cell phone. Maybe we ought to ban cell phones and lamebrains in automobiles.

rlk  posted on  2017-02-06   20:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BorisY (#3) (Edited)

who do you think is winning?

I don't think anyone is winning, that is why, from time to time, some people suggest change. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect change when there is no change. The position with guns is insanity, but no doubt there are more important issues to deal with

like

eliminating poverty,

eliminating drugs,

providing health care for everyone,

building bigger walls, stopping climate change,

Going to Mars etc, etc, etc

but it seems to me that not much progress is being made on these issues with the present approach either, insanity

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-06   21:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: paraclete (#6)

pipedream

buckeroo  posted on  2017-02-06   22:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#7)

To: paraclete (#6)

pipedream

He has a million of them. He constantly shovels superficiality and wishes as fact.

rlk  posted on  2017-02-06   22:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rlk (#8) (Edited)

He has a million of them. He constantly shovels superficiality and wishes as fact.

why don't you deal with facts not fiction none of these are my dreams, I'm not interested in building big walls, I think going to Mars is absolute nonsense when there are more important issues on Earth, I think climate change thinking is nonsense, I didn't start the war on drugs or the war on poverty, or that pipe dream called the Affordable Care Act all these pieces of nonsense originated under your feet or your nose as the case may be

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-06   23:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#9) (Edited)

I'm not interested in building big walls

What are your interests, beyond being a juvenile irritant?

rlk  posted on  2017-02-07   2:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BorisY (#0)

" 2nd Amendment needs to be repealed ... because it is outdated - a threat to liberty - a suicide pact" --- says constitutional law professor "

Well well " Prof " Obutthole. Why don't you STFU, ESAD !!!

An armed Society is a polite society !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-02-07   6:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rlk (#10)

being a burr to people like you

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-07   17:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#11)

An armed Society is a polite society !!

wOW! you guys have sure given the lie to that

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-07   17:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: paraclete (#12)

being a burr to people like you

I thought that was the limit of your intelectual capacity, depth, and triumph.

rlk  posted on  2017-02-07   19:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk (#14)

I thought that was the limit of your intelectual capacity, depth, and triumph.

at least I can spell intellectual, but then I'm not masqurading as one

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-07   21:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: paraclete (#13)

" An armed Society is a polite society !!

wOW! you guys have sure given the lie to that "

Not necessarily. No lie to it. At my house, and my neighbor hood, we do not have problems. If some idiot, like a jihadist or a NBP Party type comes around here and starts some shit, well, they will disappear, and the area stays very pleasant. We also do not have any "knock out games" around here either. Our women, and our children, and our selves can live here in peace. We, the productive members of our area like peaceful living, and we keep it that way.

Maybe where you live, you all like taking a lot of shit, and living with a lot of fear and terror.. We don't.

Maybe you all should take a clue!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-02-07   21:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Stoner (#16)

Maybe where you live, you all like taking a lot of shit, and living with a lot of fear and terror

No, actually it is very peaceful where I live and I don't need a gun to keep it so, our society works, and works well. Of course there are parts of cities where there might be problems, but then you have that too, but our police are very effective because they don't answer to local arseholes.

Maybe you all should take a clue!

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-07   22:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: paraclete (#17)

" our police are very effective because they don't answer to local arseholes. "

So, they don't answer to the likes of you. OK, I can understand that.

We will keep things here the way they are. We are happy with things the way they are here !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-02-07   22:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: paraclete (#15)

at least I can spell intellectual, but then I'm not masqurading as one

I made a typo in my hurry to go to the library and prepare to give a possible lecture. If that offends you, come see me and we'll discuss it.

Your constant deficiency of logic is far more profound than typos.

rlk  posted on  2017-02-08   0:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: rlk (#19)

Your constant deficiency of logic is far more profound than typos.

I use my head what do you use?

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-08   7:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Stoner (#18)

We are happy with things the way they are here !!

so Donald all the way, eh?

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-08   7:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: paraclete (#20)

I use my head

For what? A hammer to open walnuts?

rlk  posted on  2017-02-08   12:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: paraclete (#21)

" We are happy with things the way they are here !!

so Donald all the way, eh? "

We are happy here because we do not have a bunch of thugs, liberals & perverts here. Which means we are safe. We are a polite area.

And, yes, we are happy to have Pres Trump, rather than to have Shitlerly, and we are happy to finally be rid of Obutthole!

I know that breaks your heart. LOL. I'm sure it sucks to be you. LOL

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-02-08   16:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Stoner (#23) (Edited)

I know that breaks your heart.

It doesn't break my heart, I didn't like their politics either, but Dump, well all I can say it is a pity you didn't get a more rounded person.

And no it doesn't suck to be me, I have a great life free from the knowledge my neighbour might be a gun nut, a Muslim or some other low life. You see I like the conservative view but it must be tempered with reason. Dump has imposed a temporary ban on Muslims coming to your country, perhaps an over reaction, or an admittion your security needs a serious overhaul, but he should restrict all entry. he has trampled on the sovereign rights of other countries by insisting all NATO members spend 2% GDP on their military and we expect to see that he will start a war

paraclete  posted on  2017-02-08   19:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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