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Title: Hillary's pardon status?
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Published: Jan 20, 2017
Author: Hank Rearden
Post Date: 2017-01-20 11:43:04 by Hank Rearden
Keywords: hillary, clinton, pardon
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Obviously, no pardon for Hillary Milhaus Felon has been announced as of 20 minutes prior to the swearing-in of our new President. So some thoughts weebled into my alleged mind: - Could a pardon be issued but announcement held back until after the Inauguration? I assume one could be, it would be perfectly valid and lawful, but politically it would be a big black mark on Odumbass, not that he cares. - Is there a side deal between Odumbass and Trump to leave her alone, no pardon needed? Maybe, but Jeff Sessions and Congress might have something to say about that, and a side deal wouldn't have the force of law, unless Trump pardons her. Not a good way to start his term, so - doubtful. - Could it actually be that my fondest hope has come true? Has Odumbass been lulled into a sense of security that a real Justice Department won't pursue her, even without pardon protection? Please God, let it be so, then let Sessions' deputies fire up the indictments after he recuses himself as promised. - Finally, could Odumbass really hate Hillary Milhaus Felon and Rapey Billy so much that he intentionally leaves them exposed? We may never know, but I'd be cool with it. Discuss amongst ourselves, folks.
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#1. To: Hank Rearden (#0)
You're talking here about a beef the feds will have with Hill & Bill & Co. However, an operation like the Clinton Foundation with it's principals and it's agents operates across a great number of state and municipal jurisdictions and most probably in many areas beyond our borders. It will be interesting to see what investigators and prosecutors outside the federal gov't. have to say about that funhouse that is currently being shut down. There's lots there, I'm sure from what I've seen, that's beyond the power of a POTUS to pardon, commute or remit.
The Clinton Foundation has constituted a well-financed shadow subversive American goverment for several years.
If so, and Sessions goes after them, could they rat out Odumbass, and we get to see him hanging from a rope ? Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I expect that Trump will be friendly with the Clintons, but that the specter of prosecution will not subside. This will require the Clintons to remain in Trump's good graces, limiting what they can do going forward. Which neutralizes them.
That's clever thinking; hadn't considered that. But how much neutralizing do the Clintons need at this point? They ought to be walking on eggshells no matter how they're treated by the new President.
It will be interesting to see what investigators and prosecutors outside the federal gov't. have to say about that funhouse that is currently being shut down. You're absolutely correct; I've commented to friends and family members about the Clinton Crime Family Slushfund coming under the scrutiny of state Attorneys General, with the POTUS being unable to intervene in any way, including with the pardon power. I'm just so darned intrigued by the fact a pardon didn't happen (I really was expecting a press release early this morning before the ceremony) - and I notice a distinct lack of coverage of that point so far, at least online and in radio news. No pardon is like finding one more Christmas present hidden under the couch.
There's a tremendous amount of lingering loyalty to Hillary among Democrats, and to Bill from older Democrats. They're heartbroken and Trump has high unpopularity. There are a lot of angry Democrats out there who would love to trash the hell out of Trump in an organized, systematized way, and the Clintons have the status and the money to do it, and to instantly have a following. They could "bitter end" it and make Trump's life immensely more difficult. But they have an incentive not to, because they know that Congress and the political appointees in the Justice Department really detest them, but that Trump has been their personal acquaintance, even "friend" at points in their life, and they hear what he telescopes when he says that he doesn't want to "hurt" them. He said he doesn't WANT to hurt them - not that he can't, or WON'T, if they hurt him. In other words: enjoy your retirement and stay out of my way and do not use your loyal base and resources to become the "Rebel Base", and I'll leave you alone too. I thought it was interesting that Trump let Senator Schumer speak today at his inauguration. I don't recall other Presidents allowing the most prominent and powerful of their political opponents center stage on their inauguration. It was an interesting sign of Trump's desire for bipartisanship. He's going to need bipartisan support for some things, if he doesn't want to be held hostage by Lindsey Graham and John McCain, and if McConnell doesn't want to override the filibuster for some things.
Who gives a fuck about Clinton's status? They should be forgotten in history now.
So bigtime politicians should be above and immune to the espionage, conspiracy, FOIA and fraud laws? Just let the Clinton Crime Family go, because they lost an election?
No, they shouldn't be - but they ARE! Hillary will never see a single day behind bars. There's one set of laws for the serfs and another entirely different set of laws for the scumbag political class. Trump is apt to destroy his presidency and the people who elected him by underestimating the hatred of his former enemies.
Underestimating Trump is a bad bet.
She's still running for the presidency!
Considering all the money she owes, and cannot pay back, they will probably find her & Bill in Ft Marcy Park, VF'ed !! And for further insult to Bill, have Bills face in her crotch. Ugh ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
For a pardon to be effective, Hillary (and possibly Bill and Chelsea) would have to accept it. Accepting a pardon acts as a confession of guilt. See Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915). https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/case.html Acceptance, as well as delivery, of a pardon is essential to its validity; if rejected by the person to whom it is tendered, the court has no power to force it on him. United States v. Wilson, 7 Pet. 150. Quaere whether the President of the United States may exercise the pardoning power before conviction. A witness may refuse to testify on the ground that his testimony may have an incriminating effect, notwithstanding the President offers, and he refuses, a pardon for any offense connected with the matters in regard to which he is asked to testify. There are substantial differences between legislative immunity and a pardon; the latter carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it, while the former is noncommittal, and tantamount to silence of the witness. There is a distinction between amnesty and pardon; the former overlooks the offense, and is usually addressed to crimes against the sovereignty of the state and political offenses, the latter remits punishment and condones infractions of the peace of the state. The facts, which involve the effect of a pardon of the President of the United States tendered to one who has not been convicted of a crime nor admitted the commission thereof, and also the necessity of acceptance of a pardon in order to make it effective, are stated in the opinion.
#2. To: randge (#1)
However, an operation like the Clinton Foundation with it's principals and it's agents operates across a great number of state and municipal jurisdictions and most probably in many areas beyond our borders.
#3. To: Hank Rearden (#0)
" could Odumbass really hate Hillary Milhaus Felon and Rapey Billy so much that he intentionally leaves them exposed? "
#4. To: Hank Rearden (#0)
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
#6. To: randge (#1)
(Edited)
However, an operation like the Clinton Foundation with it's principals and it's agents operates across a great number of state and municipal jurisdictions and most probably in many areas beyond our borders.
#7. To: Hank Rearden (#5)
(Edited)
But how much neutralizing do the Clintons need at this point?
#8. To: Hank Rearden (#0)
#9. To: buckeroo (#8)
They should be forgotten in history now.
Are you in Venezuela?
#10. To: Hank Rearden, buckeroo (#9)
So bigtime politicians should be above and immune to the espionage, conspiracy, FOIA and fraud laws?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
There are a lot of angry Democrats out there who would love to trash the hell out of Trump in an organized, systematized way, and the Clintons have the status and the money to do it, and to instantly have a following.
#12. To: rlk (#11)
Trump is apt to destroy his presidency and the people who elected him by underestimating the hatred of his former enemies.
#13. To: buckeroo (#8)
Who gives a fuck about Clinton's status? They should be forgotten in history now.
#14. To: Deckard (#10)
" Hillary will never see a single day behind bars. "
#15. To: Hank Rearden (#0)
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