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Title: we do not go to the insurance company ... to demand coverage --- for a pre-existing fire.
Source: americanthinker.com
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog ... obamacare_will_selfrepeal.html
Published: Jan 11, 2017
Author: Robert Arvay
Post Date: 2017-01-11 14:11:09 by BorisY
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Obamacare will self-repeal

By Robert Arvay

The debate is over.  We do not need to repeal Obamacare; it will repeal itself. 

Two words summarize why: risk pool.

The ACA is founded upon a stunning misconception of the very definition of insurance.  Its advocates have mistakenly conflated two unrelated concepts: insurance and welfare – or, more to the point, risk and charity.

People buy insurance in order to mitigate risk.  We buy fire insurance because there is a slight chance that our house will burn down.  If we cannot afford insurance, and our house burns down, we do not go to the insurance company to demand coverage for a pre-existing fire.  Instead, we rely on the charity of donors – say, the Salvation Army.  We do not demand it, and indeed, we may not receive it, but life has risks, which is why we buy insurance.

Obamacare has failed to make the critical distinction, which is why it is collapsing.  The only people paying into the system are those who are wealthy enough not to need it and those who are so poor that they pay little or nothing.  The rest of us pay the fine for not enrolling, or else we buy a policy that covers everything we will never use.  For example, my wife and I are not at risk of getting pregnant, but we are expected to pay anyway. The people who benefit from the ACA do so because they get something for nothing.  They do so at the expense of the rest of us.

Obamacare will collapse by itself, but there are two simple ways to speed up its destruction.  Pick one: either the new president can rescind the executive orders that exempt the privileged few from paying into it – notably, members of Congress and their staffs, along with labor unions.  Alternatively, he can issue an executive order exempting everyone.

If Congress finds itself burdened with the same law it has imposed on us, its members will quickly find a way to unburden the rest of us.

Many substitutes for Obamacare are vastly superior to it.  Once the "across state lines" issue has been resolved, and once the concept of medical savings accounts has been implemented, there can be added one more feature: health insurance mortgages.  Briefly stated, people can buy "whole life" health insurance policies by taking out a loan to pay, up front, for a lifetime of medical care, based on their actuarial risk factors.  The loan could be amortized over say, forty years.  The details would be left up to the insurance companies and those who buy the insurance, with neither party being forced into the risk pool.

Other creative possibilities exist.  There is, however, a big problem:  they all require a basic understanding not only of risk pools, but of something else that the social left will never comprehend: freedom.

The debate is over.  We do not need to repeal Obamacare; it will repeal itself.  Two words summarize why: risk pool.

The ACA is founded upon a stunning misconception of the very definition of insurance.  Its advocates have mistakenly conflated two unrelated concepts: insurance and welfare – or, more to the point, risk and charity.

People buy insurance in order to mitigate risk.  We buy fire insurance because there is a slight chance that our house will burn down.  If we cannot afford insurance, and our house burns down, we do not go to the insurance company to demand coverage for a pre-existing fire.  Instead, we rely on the charity of donors – say, the Salvation Army.  We do not demand it, and indeed, we may not receive it, but life has risks, which is why we buy insurance.

Obamacare has failed to make the critical distinction, which is why it is collapsing.  The only people paying into the system are those who are wealthy enough not to need it and those who are so poor that they pay little or nothing.  The rest of us pay the fine for not enrolling, or else we buy a policy that covers everything we will never use.  For example, my wife and I are not at risk of getting pregnant, but we are expected to pay anyway. The people who benefit from the ACA do so because they get something for nothing.  They do so at the expense of the rest of us.

Obamacare will collapse by itself, but there are two simple ways to speed up its destruction.  Pick one: either the new president can rescind the executive orders that exempt the privileged few from paying into it – notably, members of Congress and their staffs, along with labor unions.  Alternatively, he can issue an executive order exempting everyone.

If Congress finds itself burdened with the same law it has imposed on us, its members will quickly find a way to unburden the rest of us.

Many substitutes for Obamacare are vastly superior to it.  Once the "across state lines" issue has been resolved, and once the concept of medical savings accounts has been implemented, there can be added one more feature: health insurance mortgages.  Briefly stated, people can buy "whole life" health insurance policies by taking out a loan to pay, up front, for a lifetime of medical care, based on their actuarial risk factors.  The loan could be amortized over say, forty years.  The details would be left up to the insurance companies and those who buy the insurance, with neither party being forced into the risk pool.

Other creative possibilities exist.  There is, however, a big problem:  they all require a basic understanding not only of risk pools, but of something else that the social left will never comprehend: freedom.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/obamacare_will_selfrepeal.html#ixzz4VTtax9wa


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#1. To: BorisY (#0)

Yes, the debate is over. We need universal single-payer, taxpayer-funded catastrophic medical insurance - everything that costs over something like $10,000 a year.

And for the rest, we need to treat health insurance as the matter of interstate commerce that it is, remove the state regulatory power from the matter, and have a nationwide free-market of health insurance to cover the gap between $0 and $10,000.

Cancer, heart attacks, muscular dystrophy - after $10k per year, all covered by the national insurance. Below that, covered by either private insurance or paychecks.

Get employers out of the health insurance business.

For people who can't afford all $10,000 of that because of income levels, Medicaid.

It will be expensive, uniform, fair, and it will get the mickey mouse out of it, and the health insurance profit margin out of serious disease. There is no reason to spend tax dollars on private profit margins for health insurers.

Let them make their profits in the non-catastrophic niche between $0 and $10,000.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-11   15:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

We need to repeal EMTALA before we do anything else. Why should anyone buy insurance if the hospital has to treat you for free?

It's the largest unfunded mandate on a private business that I'm aware of.

Do you agree we should get rid of it?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-01-11   17:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

We need to repeal EMTALA before we do anything else. Why should anyone buy insurance if the hospital has to treat you for free?

It's the largest unfunded mandate on a private business that I'm aware of.

Do you agree we should get rid of it?

Np. In the end we have to treat people with serious injuries or illnesses, regardless of their ability to pay. If they can pay, they can be billed. If they can't, the government needs to pay for it.

We need to get everybody into national catastrophic health insurance.

We can't "first" strip away protections and leave nothing. We cannot ever take away the safety net first, without having something else in place. We put the other thing in place, then we can talk away the no-longer-needed safety net.

The preservation of human life is more important than the reduction of budgetary costs. If we want to really save money, make peace with Russia and reduce the military expenditures in Europe.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-11   20:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

What if you get aids from unprotected freaky activity, should the government pay?

What if someone is on drugs and they get in a wreck and kill your kid. Should the government pay for their healthcare? If the government pays for their healthcare should they pay for your daughters funeral too? Is that fair and right if they pay for the one who killed your daughters healthcare and don't pay for your daughters funeral? If they pay for your daughters funeral, shouldn't they pay for everyone's funeral?

How about we just go back what the Bible says and everyone pay your own way. You may get lucky and the charity of others will help you out. But you are not entitled to it. That is fair it is just it is right. Theft even to help the poor is still theft.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-11   21:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

How about we just go back what the Bible says and everyone pay your own way.

Because society has been WEAKENED too much to stomach that idiology. They've been conditioned to think we are all equal. That everyone is special. That every pet needs saving, every criminal is special... hell, even the agenda posters feel bad for drug addicts... they are so WEAK, they call addiction a disease. HAAAAA

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-11   21:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#5)

They've been conditioned to think we are all equal

Trust me pal, I am infinitely superior to you in thought, action and any deeds.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-11   22:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)

How about we just go back what the Bible says and everyone pay your own way.

Because the Bible doesn't say that. The 10% tithe was a poverty tax. It paid the Levites, and was distributed by them to the poor. And it was mandatory.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-12   9:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

"If they can't, the government needs to pay for it."

You mean we, the taxpayers, have to pay for our own healthcare and someone else's.

But perhaps you misunderstood my statement. Those who cannot pay because they are poor are ALREADY covered under Medicaid. I'm talking about those who CAN pay for insurance but refuse to.

Secondly, should we also pay for car insurance, homeowners insurance and life insurance for the poor? Is it fair that they should lose everything?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-01-12   10:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13, AKA Stone (#7)

"The 10% tithe was a poverty tax."

I don't believe AKA Stone was talking about a 10% tithe. Perhaps he was referring to this:

"For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."
-- 2 Thessalonians 3:10

misterwhite  posted on  2017-01-12   10:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

You mean we, the taxpayers, have to pay for our own healthcare and someone else's.

But perhaps you misunderstood my statement. Those who cannot pay because they are poor are ALREADY covered under Medicaid. I'm talking about those who CAN pay for insurance but refuse to.

Secondly, should we also pay for car insurance, homeowners insurance and life insurance for the poor? Is it fair that they should lose everything?

Misterwhite -

I suppose we could have the discussion about all of these things. Given the tone you're already taking, I don't expect to be treated decently by you were I to try.

So I'll pass.

Issues of public welfare are complex, and not suitable for glib answers. Issues of the moral aspects of public welfare have deep religious roots - discussion of which across denominational lines generally end up bruising without any good results.

I've tried in the past. I am disinclined to try again, because I already know where it will end up.

Instead, I am content to sit back and watch the question be resolved by political power in the public realm. The solutions there will not be perfect, or particularly efficient, but they will come out about where I think they should:

There will be universal coverage, whether through Medicaid, Medicare, the replacement of Obamacare, or most likely some combination of the three.

It will cover pre-existing conditions.

It will be expensive, and paid for by tax money.

There will be government regulation of health care providers, to prevent cost runaways due to price manipulations.

And that means that, grosso modo, what I want to see happen, will happen. I am pleased with that, and you are not.

No amount of jawboning will change any of that, or how either of us thinks or feels about it, so I'm going to just let it go at that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-12   10:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

"but they will come out about where I think they should:"

Right. Socialized medicine.

It wasn't that long ago that Hillarycare (socialized medicine) was soundly rejected. Yet you still hope.

Then Obamacare was proposed -- knowing that it couldn't possibly work -- in the hopes that the people would then ask the government to step in and take over. Didn't happen, did it?

Instead we got Trump with his free market ideas. Poor you. You just can't win.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-01-12   10:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

Instead we got Trump with his free market ideas. Poor you. You just can't win.

But I have won.

TRUMP: "I want to keep pre-existing conditions [the Obamacare provision that prohibits insurers from denying coverage]. I think we need it. I think it's a modern age. And I think we have to have it."

TRUMP: “Everybody’s got to be covered. I’m going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if to costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

TRUMP: [On letting children stay on their parents' policies until age 26]:

“With the children living with their parents for an extended period–we’re going to very much try and keep that. It adds costs, but it’s very much something we are going to try and keep.”

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-12   11:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

Right. Socialized medicine.

I did not say that. What I said is that you were going to do things like that - throw out straw men and be nasty and belittling based on that - that no real conversation could take place.

And lo, in your next e-mail you proved my point.

I am well content to sit back and watch as the political structure, led by Trump, rolls out a plan that covers the things I think are important.

Trump agrees with me on everything important in this case.

I'm content to let the political forces play out in a way that delivers me what I want to see. So far, so good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-12   11:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

It doesn't matter whether your talking homes, business, autos or healthcare... insurance companies don't exist to provide service to their policyholders... their sole purpose is to stuff profits into the pockets of their shareholders. Buying insurance is no different than throwing away money in a Las Vegas casino. The "insurance" gambling industry should be abolished in favor of a universal, single payer system... Period.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-01-12   11:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Willie Green (#14)

It doesn't matter whether your talking homes, business, autos or healthcare... insurance companies don't exist to provide service to their policyholders... their sole purpose is to stuff profits into the pockets of their shareholders. Buying insurance is no different than throwing away money in a Las Vegas casino. The "insurance" gambling industry should be abolished in favor of a universal, single payer system... Period.

While I agree with you about the motives of insurance companies, we are not going to go to a universal single payer system in America, because it would be far too expensive.

The countries that already have such systems, such have France, have scaled back on them because of the expense.

What we need is a universal catastrophic health insurance system, that covers cancer, heart attacks, major medical disasters, but that does not cover the colds, flus, aches, pains and complaints of daily living. The first few thousand of medical care every years is that sort of thing, and it should not be covered by the government, but paid for out of pocket by people. Private health insurance can cover that sort of thing if people want it.

Of course, some of those low-cost things actually are necessary. Example: have a flu that gets worse and worse, and you need to go to the doctor before you get pneumonia and it turns into something major. This is only a few hundred dollars, which most people can pay, but the treatment IS necessary. The poor - people on welfare or living on an $1100 per month Social Security check - can't afford that, but it is necessary care. They can be covered by Medicaid, which is already means-tested.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-01-12   11:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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