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Title: Fire Chief Arrested For Preventing A Cop From Making A Fire Worse — House Burns as a Result
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Free Thought Project/Law Officer/WEHT-7
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fi ... ire-worse/#fDjgLsEhyEPwAcyC.99
Published: Dec 30, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-12-30 19:39:35 by Deckard
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Views: 16638
Comments: 140
Cannelton, IN – Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog was recently arrested for attempting to prevent a police officer from making a fire worse. However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony. When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Herzog arrived on the scene to witness the blunder, and attempted to prevent the officer from literally adding fuel to the fire, and tried to get him away from the house. Sensing that his authority was being threatened, Foertsch arrested the fire chief as the house continued to burn. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Officer Foertsch claims that Herzog was shouting obscenities at him and shoving him. However, Herzog says that he was simply attempted to diffuse a dangerous situation, and even if he was shouting at the officer, he had every right to considering the circumstances. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Sadly, after the chief was arrested and the other firefighters sent away, the police officers did nothing and allowed the fire to completely destroy the house. Herzog was taken into custody and lodged in the Perry County Jail on a charge of battery against a public safety official, a level 6 felony. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. It is important to note that the National Incident Management System, which sets national standards for first responders in emergencies such as this, states that the first fire unit arriving on the scene of a house fire are the ones to take command of the incident, which means that Herzog was within his rights to take charge of the situation when he arrived on the scene. It seems that officer Foertsch was more concerned with his own ego and perceived authority than he was with saving lives, which is a dangerous consequence of giving a person unlimited power.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Strange. Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I wonder what Chris Zukeschwerdt's insurance company will have to say about this incident ? Even though the house does not appear to be large or expensive, it appears to be a total loss. And, with contents that should be a somewhat large claim / loss to the company. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims, and that Herzog was actually arrested by State Troopers, rather than the police. Of course, facts infuriate Deckard. Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Christopher W. Herzog, 51 Cannelton, IN - Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony -30- HENSLEY
I found it interesting that the comments from the linked "Law Officer" site were opposed to what officer Ryen Foertsch did at the scene. And these guys are cops. Here's one - Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands. Guilty as charged!
How about posting a picture of yourself so we can all judge from your photo whether or not you are a drunk. Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder. You think the Mayor would have bailed him out had he been drunk? Does “to hear the rest of the story” mean “to hear the events following to the arrest?” Or is it what Paul Harvey meant when he said “and now for the rest of the story,” you were “to hear the true story?”
I find it absolutely wildly bizarre for you to post something from LawOfficer.com, a website whose Editorial Team consists of law enforcement officers with a combined experience of over a century in the profession….from street cops to supervisors to upper management. Have you set a precedent here that we all may regard as an example and guide to be considered in your future posts? We can only vaguely hope so and that this is a prelude to you becoming truthfully objective …
KooK, should I get stewed like Herzog, then pick a fight with cops at a fire scene, my pic will be available, not before. Now beat it dimwit, and go pick a fight with a cop. I'd love to see you deposited head first in a garbage dumpster.
“You think” the mayor Fairfax would be arrested for attempting to trade drugs for sex….HE WAS. “You think” the D.C. Mayor would be arrested for possession of cocaine….HE WAS. There are numerous other cases similar to these … Your analogy for as a supporting purpose is deserving of derisive ridiculing mockery. And….I just finished doing just that.
Your statement borders on slander. There is absolutely no evidence that Herzog was "stewed". This is just another example of the arrogance of cops. The Fire Department Chief has control of the scene, not the police. Common sense tells anyone that this is a fact. You obviously didn't watch the video. Which is part of the article.
KooK, his face is red and his nose basically blinks. He's stewed to the balls. Even someone with your remedial education and drug addled brain should be capable of seeing that.
No, you obviously didn't watch the video. None of the footage aired of the event contradicted anything I posted. Read it again, man up, and apologize. Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Christopher W. Herzog, 51 Cannelton, IN - Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony
Please state your evidence that Herzog was drunk. Oh, you can't? Typical. That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Oh, you can't? Typical.
You need reading comprehension classes. You said the article did not mention.......... It was in the video. Hence my comment. Try to pay attention. Try to keep up.
Why are you counseling a poor, sick poster such as "roscoe?" It is just a POS,
Non sequitur. Pathetic.
Common sense tells anyone that this is a fact. Each PD, FD and EMS has published procedures to follow….or definitely should have….and each department coordinates with the other departments in establishing those procedures. There are a number of these procedures posted on the internet. All are basically the same, especially when relating to task priority. I randomly picked one to quote for you, it is from Phoenix: The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….] The cops arrived on the scene, recognized that, and the were following the procedure accepted as the published norm….they were checking for endangered occupants. Something the volunteer fire chief should already have done….but obviously had not since he violently tried to stop the cops from performing the correct task. The volunteer fire chief was apparently too shot in the ass with his authority and position to follow standard procedures and he got belligerent…..like might be “expected from an uncompromising drunkard.” And the rest of the statement is pure BULLSHIT for you don’t blindly follow orders [as you have said numerous times] when you know those orders are totally incorrect, completely asinine and lives may be endangered. The fire chief was wrong….and the fire chief was arrested The cops were not wrong and the cops were not arrested. Hey, asshole, stop with your damned whining …
And the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. The published normal procedure upon arriving at the scene of a fire is: The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….] Extracted from te Phoenix handbook. The cops recognized that the volunteer fire chief had NOT performed that task and THEY PERFORMED THE TASK. The cops are to be commended, the incompetent hothead volunteer fire chief needed to be arrested….HE WAS.
These cop-hating assholes are oblivious to checking facts….they ignore them. All that matters is their agenda and personal opinions. Disgraceful …
TOO FUNNY … The volunteer fire chief lost control of himself at the scene and acted irrationally, not the police.
And this YELLA journalistic piece of shit is just as slanted. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Yes you are, sucking yukon's asshole. You are a queer, just like him.
Proving that the Fire Chief was right, and the arsonist cops fueled the fire, and rekindled it, and burned the house. The Fire Chief will be found, NOT GUILTY. The fact that he was arrested is just further testimony to the incompetence and malice of the scofflaw pigs. The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
And the perp was arrested by State Troopers, not the police officer he attacked.
Arsonist cops? You should ask your drug dealer for a refund.
Look you fucking dumb ass. You said the article didn't say anything about an officer looking for possible victims. I pointed out that in fact that video did in fact mention that. So I was right and you have a reading comprehension problem. So shut your pathetic pie hole.
The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point. You didn't.
What in the Hell is wrong with you, Boy? You said to me after ONLY reading an article, that: You straying from the accepted right and normal way of objectively analyzing something and deviating into La La Land is so atypical of a sane and rational person. At least try to stay consistent while living in your warped world …
You claim to have been a cop. Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman? Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows. I say let the experts handle a fire, the cops should only be there to direct traffic. Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command. Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires. The cops - not so much. But if it is your contention that cops should be placed in charge of residential fire scenes, people will die as a result. Do you really want that? Oh, so that's your rationale now? There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house. It makes sense to me that experienced and highly trained firefighters would know to do that first. To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Apparently the cops were not really interested public safety. It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes. Just a suggestion - maybe you could get an update on your 64K phone modem so you are able to watch videos and not appear to be so much of a lying assclown. Furthermore, a better question to ask: Is a patrolman allowed to take direct action when a volunteer fire chief does not follow the published procedure and lives may be endangered because of that? The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured. [….] The volunteer fire chief did NOT check the house for any endangered occupants. He was negligent in his duty by not following established procedure. Follow Up Question: Since the volunteer fire chief did not perform his duty at all….then is the patrolman to stand down and not check the house for occupants after an irresponsible hothead volunteer fire chief abdicated his duties and acted irrationally by not following published procedures? Any volunteer fire chief who lost control of himself at the scene and reacts violently by physically attacking a Public Safety Official should be arrested and relieved of his duty as the volunteer fire chief. The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.
Post your picture so we can all judge whether or not you are drunk. Thanks for your cooperation. Your posted article doesn't say he broke the window. It shows that he was feloniously assaulted while he was "attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house." You can't even keep your lies straight.
ar·ti·cle a piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication. Craven bitch #2.
What a coward. I'll try again: Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.
He'll flee your point, gibbering in angry terror.
KooK, tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11.
You nuked him.
Besides, you need to read and comprehend the yellow journalism article you posted.
...tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11. Oh - were those cops also fighting the fires? KooK, on 9/11 and in the case you cite the police officers were evacuating the building. So stick that up your tiny hose.
The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are: [….]
When kindergartners are taught to “stop drop and roll,” they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo. Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Non sequitur. Ridiculous ...
He's dodging. He can't point to a state, county, or municipal law supporting the assertion he pulled out of his anal orifice.
You probably should have checked the links and watched the video. “I was in shock,” says Chris Zukeschwerdt, whose house was on fire.”When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal.” Zukeschwerdt has spent 40 years as an EMT and says, “I've never seen anything like it in my life.” Humphery recorded the aftermath on her cell phone. She watched first responders in blue and red butt heads, while a fire burned in the background. “They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, while the fire was still smoldering. Humphrey saw him arrested and put in handcuffs. Neighbors there say police officers then told Cannelton firefighters to pack up. A firefighter can be heard on video telling his crew to pick up the hoses and leave. “We're in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard a police officer say, “and a lot of the fire department guys started saying let's grab out gear and go.” Zukeschwerdt says he heard the assistant fire chief tell his firefighters to stay put and “make sure this fire is out.” Well, it wasn't. The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house. According to fire expert Matt Agorist.
KooK, read the link in your article. The police officers cleared two rooms, exited, then fearing additional people might be in the house, broke a window. And thank god they did, had they allowed that human eternal flame into the house he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
So the fire was OUT when the police were looking for possible victims. What a great foot shot!
It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property. Try to keep up …
The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.
No, this is just another example of the many yellow journalism article you post and your failure to fact check.
You and your darn facts! Don't you know that mansplaining triggers the SJWs.
He'll flee your point, gibbering in angry terror. He is a weirdo....but I have yet to see a libertarian who is not.
He will still be the “Phoenix rising from the ashes.” He has a strong desire to receive truthful verbal abuse …
Please post a link to where the Chief was found to have ANY alcohol in his system along with any toxicology reports and arrest history. What - you mean you are just making shit up because you have a man-crush on cops? You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination! What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?
It may have been in one the discussions he was having with the voices in his head.
At least he hasn’t posted a multitude of different links for deflection….since he is getting his ass kicked so rightly with facts.
Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman? I don't "claim".... I am a retired 20 year LEO. During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.” Then a couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, “while the fire was still smoldering.” Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out]. Now, please tell me….which link should I probably have checked? Stop making up shit and trying to slip it in….that is so typical yellow journalism and easily spotted.
It did not! I hit him on this also. He likes to add shit in and make it look like someone reported that. It is becaue of his actions, that I have a hard time trusting libertarians.
Hey, Roscoe, don’t miss this one….you will laugh you ass off: Deckard to Vinny: pot, kettle....black!
Total rummy. Red faced, cop fighters usually are.
Thank you. Still waiting for you to post documented evidence showing the Chief was intoxicated. ...cop fighters usually are. The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief. He would have served a useful purpose by keeping civilians away and fetching donuts and coffee for the real public servants. Police firefighting skilz. The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
lol.... was wondering that myself. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
lol.... was wondering that myself. It's kinda like Gatlin "claiming" to be a major when he distances himself from and trashes the very Constitution that he supposedly took an oath to protect and defend. Probably got the $40K or so that paid for the car from an innocent motorist who had the cash on him when he was pulled over for some contrived reason. Now they're gonna have to jack up some other citizen to make up for their incompetence. KooK, the officers arrested the stewball after he struck an officer at the scene of an emergency where they heroically saved citizens. So actually they were in charge. See how this stuff works?
Ignoring the poor attempt at intentional deflection and staying on topic….the Indiana State Police Press Release states: Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene. Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire. Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene. Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail. Arrested and charges: Well you can….but if you do so, then you will get your dumb hotheaded ass arrested and charged with: Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony.
lol.... was wondering that myself. He can’t arrange his words and phrases properly to create well-formed sentences that make sense. That is no doubt caused by his total inability to understand the complexity and truthfulness of the situation he is trying to discuss. The poor lad is always so lost in the world of reality …
So actually they were in charge. HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? Not according to the homeowner and witnesses on the scene. Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.” Gee, what happened next you say? The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house. And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day? HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically? “There you go again” spouting of about what Chris Zukeschwerdt said. Chris Zukeschwerdt’s account is inconsistent and in contradiction to other sources. A couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out].
The weren't there for law enforcement. They were there for ego enforcement. A small minded man looking for a chance to show his authority and prowess.
Why do you constantly point to and rely so heavily on eyewitness reports when using eyewitness reports is one of the worse things you can do since science has for a long time proven their inaccuracy. Don’t believe that….then check these out: In general eyewitness reports are notori ously unreliable. Unreliable Eyewitness Evidence. Why is eyewitness testimony unreliable? . Embellishments of memory: the unreliable nature of eyewitness. Eyewitnesses aren't as reliable as you might think. Conflicting Eyewitness & Police Reports . The End of Eyewitness Testimonies. Is eyewitness testimony too unreliable to trust? . Psychologists are helping police and juries rethink the role of eyewitness. The problem with eyewitnesses. The unreliability of eyewitness testimony. Why eyewitnesses get it wrong. Factors Affecting the Accuracy of Eyewitness . A Flawed Record: The Fragility of Eyewitness Memory. Wrongful conviction throws spotlight on unreliability of eyewitness. Exposing Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony . New Report Urges Caution in Handling Eyewitness. FRONTLINE: How can eyewitness indentification go wrong? . Eyewitness IDs can be unreliable. Another Unreliable Eyewitness. The Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony . Eyewitness Testimony Can Be Tragically Mistaken. Unreliability of Eyewitness Testimony and Memory. and on … And on … and on … And on …
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time? Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed. “I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said. Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave. “We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Oh yeah - he must be lying, right? Your whining is growing tiresome. All charges against the Chief will be dropped. The town can't afford to have the cops and firefighters become enemies. At the very most, this was two guys getting into an argument over who's boss. It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality. He's moved on from yukon to FireIsland in that department. You are a queer, just like him I wonder if Gatlin likes sushi and MMA fighting as much as our resident Village People cop does. Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job. Cop Handcuffs Firefighter For Trying to Protect Crash Victims, Caught on Tape Cop Arrests Fireman Giving Aid - Jury Awards $18k Juror Betsy Vennemann said after the verdict, "We wanted to make a statement that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated." Capt. David Wilson won $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. Jurors, including a nun, said they went easy on the defendant, Officer Todd Greeves, because he has a family and they weren't sure who would pay the bill. Wilson testified that the Robertson Fire Protection District truck was parked in a way to protect rescuers working to free a victim from wreckage along Interstate 270 at McDonnell Boulevard. Greeves ordered that the truck be moved to accommodate passing traffic and arrested Wilson for ignoring him. Wilson was released after 23 minutes and never charged. He sued, claiming civil rights violations that opened him to anxiety and humiliation. Greeves told the court the truck was creating a hazard and not adding to safety at the scene. Jurors interviewed after the verdict said their feeling about Greeves was reinforced during the punitive phase of the trial, when they heard there had been other complaints about him. An internal affairs investigation determined that Greeves used excessive force in a 2002 arrest, court documents show, and was the subject of several other complaints. Before Wednesday's deliberations, U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler had already ruled that Greeves had no probable cause to arrest Wilson, who she said had state law on his side. She also dismissed the city of Hazelwood as a defendant. Lose debate, change story.
Uh, no - I haven't lost the debate and I'm not changing my story. I merely pointed out that this was not an isolated incident. Cops have interfered with firefighters doing their jobs before and they will do it again. Why? Because they just don't learn. Maybe more lawsuits like the one I posted above would be the answer. At any rate, the felony charges against the Chief will be dropped, unless the badged "heroes" want to make an example out of him. By doing so however they will only increase the tension between firefighters and cops - nobody wants to see that. Pursuing criminal charges against Fire Chief Christopher Herzog will ultimately put lives and property in danger. Lose debate, change story, double down. It's the SJW way.
Nah. This is way too slow. Back in the TOS day fifty on one was a good battle. This is more like swatting flies.
Then a couple line down in the article, said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” I do mean the homeowner who cannot keep his story straight each time he tells it. Embellishments of memory are the unreliable nature of eyewitness reports.
Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable. Don’t believe that…then check these links out.
In the case with Deckard...like swatting a pesky gnat.
You've convinced me that the eyewitness cops are clueless. Matt Agorist from the Free Thought Project takes a more balanced view, collects observations from a number of eyewitnesses, as well as newscrews covering the event. Plus, he's not a CT freak like you! Your attempts to parse the homeowners comments are ridiculous. There are no contradictions, k0oK! The D&R Party is a suicide cult!
Then a couple line down in the article, said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.” Seriously? That's all you got? There is NO discrepancy in those two statements. A smoldering fire IS STILL a fire. Non sequitur….trying to change the dynamics of this story and deflect. I merely pointed out that this kind of behavior has been displayed in the past by cops who stopped firemen from doing their jobs. Do you believe that the charges should be dropped? Prosecuting a heroic firefighter doing his job controlling the scene and pushing a cop out of the way does not do anyone any good. Lives and property will be at risk due to the animosity between the cops and firefighters which will be exacerbated by a felony conviction against the Chief. I'm sure we can all admit that this situation could have been avoided if the cop would have checked his ego at the door and allowed the firefighters to do their jobs. The part where the crowd was chanting P-D SUCKS!!! was highly entertaining.
I remember seeing a clip after 9/11 in NYC during the extended cleanup it was deemed that NYFD was burning up way too many overtime hours. I think the mayor called off the operation after X weeks. The firefighters didn't want to quit their efforts. NYPD had to arrest some of them to get them off the site. I saw it once on live TV and never again - not that I did a thorough search for it or anything.
Nice selfie kook.
I merely pointed out ... Which was a complete waste, since it had no relationship to the volunteer fire chief blowing up and losing his tempter to physically attack a law enforcement officer and then be arrested for a Class 6 Felony. Please try to stay on topic….I realize it must be hard for you to do so.
Do you believe that the charges should be dropped? Prosecuting a heroic firefighter doing his job controlling the scene and pushing a cop out of the way does not do anyone any good. Lives and property will be at risk due to the animosity between the cops and firefighters which will be exacerbated by a felony conviction against the Chief. I'm sure we can all admit that this situation could have been avoided if the cop would have checked his ego at the door and allowed the firefighters to do their jobs. The nincompoop publically displayed that he is a high tempered hot head who acts irrationally and irresponsibly which makes him mentally incapable to continue acting in his capacity as volunteer fire chief.
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job saving lives and property when an ego-centric police officer decided to flex his authoritah and proclaim that HE was now the boss at the scene. A simple fact that even you should be able to grasp. As far as apologies, both sides should apologize and end the ongoing animosity that will threaten the lives and property of the town's citizens. ... both sides should apologize ... It was not his job to lose his temper and attack the policeman. The policeman has nothing to apologize for.
Nope
Nope! This is a house fire: This is a house that was on fire and is now smoldering: There is a BIG difference. The point that being made by Zukeschwerdt was the relativity….the active burning had finished.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I hate to step on your toes, tater, but where there is smoke, there is fire.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. That was a strikingly amusing remark….quite a beautiful ZINGER.
I've done it. That's what happens when they drive to the scene intoxicated. Driving while intoxicated is NOT within the parameters of "doing his job", and there is no evidence here to indicate that Chief Herzog was intoxicated. I can see that happening with volunteer fire departments - guy is in a bar or at home having a couple of beers, gets the call and rushes to the scene. In that situation, maybe you cut the guy a break and drive him to the fire, depending on his level of intoxication, the severity of the fire and whether his presence was vital to the firefighting effort. You can always haul him in afterwards. Oh, so you post two pictures, from two different fires that have nothing to do with the fire in Indiana, and somehow believe you have made a case for your contention? Okey dokey. Sometimes the simplest concepts are the most difficult for him to understand. ... both sides should apologize ... It was not his job to lose his temper and attack the policeman. It God damned well was if the cop, to show his ass, was trying to prevent him from doing his job of putting out the fire. The cop, along with those making excuses for him, should have been sentenced to replace the owner's home.
It is in the video on this site with the article. Here it is again since you are to dumb to find it on your own.
You're pathetic. ar·ti·cle
A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-31 Like I said reading comprehension problems.
Moving the goalpost. Again. Craven.
Shut up already. Man up and admit you wasn't paying attention. The video is part of the article. It was always there. I just mentioned "you obviously didn't watch the video. Which is part of the article." Have a nice new year.
You lied. You got busted. Dry your craven tears.
Very true, LOL !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Robert, I suspect the property owners insurance company's lawyers, and a jury, will have the final say in this matter. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907. I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
The video was there all along. You are really boring me and wasting my time. Maybe it is time to flush you down the toilet.
Craven bitch.
Yeah i'm a bitch because you have a reading comprehension problem. Got ya.
Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly. I hope you enjoyed your beating.
That is one definition. There are many. One includes videos. A video article. You're just playing semantics. Point is you didn't watch the video which was included with the article, and being included with it is part of the article. So you were wrong when you said there was no mention of police looking for people to help. I'm done talking to you about this. Have a nice new year.
And make this place go from dead to deader.
And make this place go from dead to deader. You drug addict loving agenda posters make the site only pleasant for you... because all you liberal assholes always gotta act like Ferguson zoo animals when you don't get your way or your liberal hero (or whore) isn't elected. The intolerance and anarchist behavior stems from the AGENDA posters.... you assholes stunk up FR, then you shit all over LP... and now you have this fucking place only enjoyable if you love drug addicts, faggots... and you hate cops and the rich. You filthy assholes have always been one great big smelly hippie OCCUPY type cult. All fucking 6% of you. It ain't Stones fault. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Fuck off, PAULTARD. You are the biggest reason LP was a ghost town full of PAULTARDs only and LF doesn't attract NORMAL garden variety posters for debate or discussion.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
#3. To: Stoner (#1)
Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene
#4. To: Stoner (#1)
(Edited)
Strange. Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#5. To: Flame (#0)
Herzog looks like a drunk.
#6. To: Vinny (#5)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#7. To: Roscoe (#3)
Be interesting to hear " the rest of the story "
#8. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#4)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
A cop said this and you believe it? How striking unique of you to believe ”anything” a cop says.
#9. To: Deckard (#6)
How about posting a picture of yourself so we can all judge from your photo whether or not you are a drunk.
#10. To: Deckard, Vinny (#6)
You think the Mayor would have bailed him out had he been drunk?
Why not? “You think” the Murrietta Mayor would be arrested for drunk driving….HE WAS.
You simply cannot place a mayor on a sanctimonious pedestal trying to show him as being morally superior to the faults of other people because if there is a drunken fire chief arrested somewhere…you can bet there is also a drunken mayor somewhere to bail him out.
#11. To: Vinny (#9)
should I get stewed like Herzog,
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#12. To: Gatlin (#8)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#13. To: Roscoe (#3)
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
#14. To: Deckard (#11)
Your statement borders on slander.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
You obviously didn't watch the video.
#16. To: Vinny (#14)
his face is red and his nose basically blinks. He's stewed to the balls.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#17. To: Roscoe, A K A Stone (#13)
...officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#18. To: Deckard (#17)
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.
#19. To: Roscoe (#15)
The article neglects to mention that officers were entering the building looking for possible victims,
#20. To: A K A Stone, roscoe (#19)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#22. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#12)
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
First Responders don’t operate on “common sense” [as you so ignorantly suggest] when arriving at the scene of a fire. They are trained to operate by follow procedures. Procedure
As the IC, the volunteer fire chief was not following the tactical objectives. 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
Breaking windows and letting more oxygen into a fire is a no no.
Screw that! “Breaking windows” might cause the house burn faster but a house can be replaced. The life of an unconscious person who may be in the room the officer was breaking the glass for entry….cannot be replaced. It sounds like the chief might have gotten carried away but he is the supervisor and the highest Authority on the scene and everyone else needs to follow his commands.
He definitely got carried away!
#23. To: Gatlin (#22)
#24. To: Deckard, Roscoe, A K A Stone (#17)
(Edited)
...officers were entering the building looking for possible victims
The volunteer fire chief displayed all the characteristics of an incompetent hothead. He was WRONG. He displayed total disregard for published procedures in exercising his command. Procedure
Again: The volunteer fire chief was WRONG in that he had not properly performed the first assigned task and then violently tried to prevent the cops for doing that. 1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
#25. To: Roscoe (#23)
And the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
#26. To: Deckard, Vinny (#11)
The Fire Department Chief has control of the scene, not the police.
#27. To: Deckard (#0)
However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony.
#28. To: Gatlin (#25)
Disgraceful …
#29. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Deckard (#25)
the cop-haters are proceeding on the assumption that the home was on fire when the fireman committed a felony assault on the police officer. Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
#30. To: GrandIsland (#27)
#31. To: hondo68 (#29)
#32. To: Roscoe (#21)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
#34. To: Deckard. Vinny (#16)
From the looks of it - he's [APD Police Chief] an honest cop..
Then Vinny said to you, that … his face [looks] red and his nose basically blinks. He's [Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog] stewed to the balls.
Then you have the unmitigated gall to challenge Vinny to: Please state your evidence that Herzog was drunk.
You need to stop with your continued hypocritical double standard in that it is okay if you use something but then let your total absence of any good moral principles apply to be condemningly different and more rigorously judgmental to someone in a another circumstance using the same methodology.
Oh, you can't?
Typical.
#35. To: GrandIsland (#27)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#36. To: hondo68, Gatlin, Roscoe (#29)
Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#37. To: Roscoe (#18)
That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#38. To: Gatlin (#22)
Something the volunteer fire chief should already have done….but obviously had not since he violently tried to stop the cops from performing the correct task.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#39. To: Roscoe, A K A Stone (#33)
The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#40. To: Deckard GrendIsland (#35)
You claim to have been a cop. Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman?
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question? Procedure
#41. To: Gatlin (#34)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#42. To: Deckard (#36)
Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows.
#43. To: Deckard (#39)
noun
#44. To: Deckard (#37)
Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.
#45. To: Gatlin (#40)
The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.
#46. To: Deckard (#37)
Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.
#47. To: Vinny (#46)
KooK, tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11.
#48. To: Deckard, Roscoe (#36)
Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
There is no report that the fire reignited later. The author is taking yellow journalism liberty here. Local news reports that as the handcuffed volunteer chief departed, he instructed the firemen to “make sure there were hotspots remaining. Again, no remaining hotspots were reported to be remaining and the house had already burned down.
Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows. Foertsch was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house….
That was when the volunteer fire chief got into the fray with the cop. There is NO report that the window was ever smashed. I say let the experts handle a fire, the cops should only be there to direct traffic.
I say that if the volunteer fire chief had been an expert, then he would have followed published procedures and checked the house for occupants. He did not. The cop was doing that, the duty unfulfilled by the irresponsible volunteer fire chief.
#49. To: Vinny (#46)
Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#50. To: Deckard (#49)
#51. To: Deckard, Roscoe (#37)
Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.
If this volunteer fire chief had the training and experience fighting fires, then why didn’t he follow the published procedures? Procedure
This volunteer fire chief did not check for occupants. Therefore, he either did not have the proper training and experience in fighting fires….or he was incompetent not to follow the published procedures.
1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.
#52. To: Vinny (#50)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#53. To: Deckard (#41)
(Edited)
Post your picture so we can all judge whether or not you are drunk.
#54. To: Gatlin (#51)
#55. To: Deckard (#38)
There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house.
There is no evidence to show that the fire department had searched the house. If they had, surely the volunteer fire chief would have told the cop that, the altercation would not have occurred and the volunteer fire chief would not have been arrested for assult. Basic deduction…My Dear Watson….basic deduction. And a correct one …
#56. To: Gatlin (#48)
There is no report that the fire reignited later.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#57. To: Deckard (#52)
"a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse."
#58. To: Deckard (#52)
#59. To: Deckard (#56)
The house caught fire again
#60. To: Deckard (#38)
To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk.
#61. To: Vinny (#58)
he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
#62. To: Deckard (#38)
It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes.
#63. To: Gatlin (#60)
It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property.
#64. To: Roscoe (#45)
The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.
#65. To: Roscoe, Vinny (#47)
You nuked him.
#66. To: Vinny (#58)
had they allowed that human eternal flame into the house he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#67. To: Deckard, Vinny (#49)
Oh - were those cops also fighting the fires?
Also?
#68. To: Gatlin (#67)
What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?
#69. To: Roscoe (#54)
He's dodging.
Of course.
#70. To: Deckard (#35)
You claim to have been a cop.
#71. To: Deckard (#56)
You probably should have checked the links and watched the video.
I have. The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.
There is no quotation marks encompassing that statement.
#72. To: Roscoe, Deckard (#59)
The house caught fire again
#73. To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#66)
(Edited)
You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination!
#74. To: Roscoe (#61)
The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.
#75. To: GrandIsland (#70)
During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#76. To: Vinny (#74)
Total rummy. Red faced
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#77. To: Gatlin (#73)
#78. To: Gatlin (#40)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?
#79. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#78)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#80. To: hondo68 (#77)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#81. To: Deckard (#76)
The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief.
#82. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#79)
Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene
It doesn’t matter who you are or what you are doing….you simply cannot push a police officer hard enough to cause him to step back and continue to push the police officer again and again while yelling profanities at him.
Christopher W. Herzog, 51
Cannelton, IN
- Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony
#83. To: GrandIsland (#78)
If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?
Yea, he uses really weird syntax.
#84. To: Vinny (#81)
they heroically saved citizens.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#85. To: Deckard, Vinny (#84)
(Edited)
Not according to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
HUH? so you are trying to still say that Chris Zukeschwerdt is a reliable witness to be completely believed? First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
Now, please, you cannot possible tell which version of all this is factually correct.
#86. To: Deckard (#84)
And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?
#87. To: Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#84)
According to Chris Zukeschwerdt …
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt. I have continually shown you where he contradicts his own eyewitness testimony.
#88. To: Gatlin (#85)
(Edited)
This is at least the second or third time you have posted the eyewitness testimony of Chris Zukeschwerdt.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#89. To: buckeroo (#28)
Yes you are, sucking yukon's asshole.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#90. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Vinny, GrandIsland, rlk, hjondo68 A K A Stone, buckeroo, Stoner (#86)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#91. To: Deckard (#90)
#92. To: Roscoe (#91)
Lose debate, change story.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#93. To: Deckard (#92)
#94. To: Roscoe (#93)
#95. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
#96. To: Deckard (#88)
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time?
Yes, I mean the homeowner, Zukeschwerdt, who: First, said: “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
Yes, your correctly identified the homeowner. Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable.
#97. To: Deckard (#90)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
Non sequitur….trying to change the dynamics of this story and deflect.
#98. To: Deckard, Roscoe (#92)
Uh, no - I haven't lost the debate …
You lost the debate when the Indiana State Police independently investigated the incident and did not charge the police officers….but did charge the volunteer fire chief with Battery Against a Public Safety Official, a Level 6 Felony.
#99. To: Deckard (#88)
It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality.
The Indiana State Police believed it was a Level 6 Felony, when the independently investigated the incident and charged the volunteer fire chief….and of course that is the belief that mattered
#100. To: Deckard (#88)
Oh yeah - he [Zukeschwerdt] must be lying, right?
#101. To: Roscoe (#95)
This is more like swatting flies.
#102. To: Gatlin (#100)
Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable.
#103. To: Gatlin (#96)
First, said: “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#104. To: Gatlin (#97)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#105. To: Gatlin (#99)
The Indiana State Police believed it was a Level 6 Felony, when the independently investigated the incident and charged the volunteer fire chief….and of course that is the belief that mattered
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#106. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#107. To: Deckard (#106)
#108. To: Deckard (#106)
#109. To: Vinny (#108)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#110. To: Deckard (#104)
#111. To: Gatlin (#110)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#112. To: Deckard (#105)
Do you believe that the charges should be dropped?
If he were to make a public apology for physically attacking the police officer and immediately resigned as the volunteer fire chief….i may then consider that.
#113. To: Gatlin (#112)
The nincompoop publically displayed that he is a high tempered hot head
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#114. To: Deckard (#113)
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job ...
#115. To: Deckard (#113)
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job
#116. To: Deckard (#103)
A smoldering fire IS STILL a fire.
#117. To: Deckard (#90)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
#118. To: Gatlin (#116)
#119. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#117)
(Edited)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
#120. To: GrandIsland (#117)
(Edited)
Oh, BTW - this isn't the first time a cop has arrested a firefighter for doing his job.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#121. To: Gatlin (#116)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#122. To: buckeroo (#118)
I hate to step on your toes, tater, but where there is smoke, there is fire
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#123. To: Gatlin (#114)
The heroic Fire Chief was doing his job ...
#124. To: Roscoe (#33)
The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point. You didn't.
#125. To: A K A Stone (#124)
It is in the video
noun
a piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication.
#126. To: Roscoe (#125)
You obviously didn't watch the video. Which is part of the article.
#127. To: A K A Stone (#126)
"Look you fucking dumb ass. You said the article didn't say anything about an officer looking for possible victims."
#128. To: Roscoe (#127)
You obviously didn't watch the video. Which is part of the article. A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-31
#129. To: A K A Stone (#128)
The video is part of the article.
#130. To: Deckard (#122)
#131. To: rlk (#123)
" the cop, to show his ass, was trying to prevent him from doing his job of putting out the fire. The cop, along with those making excuses for him, should have been sentenced to replace the owner's home. "
#132. To: Roscoe (#129)
The video is part of the article. You lied. You got busted. Dry your craven tears.
#133. To: A K A Stone (#132)
Maybe it is time to flush you down the toilet.
#134. To: Roscoe (#133)
#135. To: A K A Stone (#134)
you have a reading comprehension problem.
ar·ti·cle
noun
a piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication.
#136. To: Roscoe (#135)
#137. To: A K A Stone (#132)
Maybe it is time to flush you down the toilet.
#138. To: Fred Mertz (#137)
#139. To: GrandIsland (#138)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#140. To: Deckard (#139)
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