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Title: Trump Just Met with Henry Kissinger: ‘I Have Tremendous Respect’ for Him
Source: The Anti-Media
URL Source: http://theantimedia.org/trump-met-kissinger-respect/
Published: Nov 18, 2016
Author: Carey Wedler
Post Date: 2016-11-20 02:20:57 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 13504
Comments: 51

Since Donald Trump unexpectedly won the presidency last week, his official positions have become increasingly murky.

Though he vowed to repeal Obamacare on the campaign trail, he has since softened his rhetoric. Though he claimed he would prosecute Hillary Clinton, he now says he doesn’t want to “hurt’ her and has avoided confirming any such plans. Though he initially claimed he would institute a Muslim registry of sorts — and his advisors are reportedly concocting plans to do so — he is yet to confirm whether or not he will implement one (spoiler alert: one was established for people from Muslim-majority countries during the Bush era).

What is clear is that in spite of Trump’s anti-establishment rhetoric, he has thus far decided to surround himself with some of the establishment’s key figures.

In addition to choosing advisors like war hawk James Woolsey, among other neoconservatives, Donald Trump has now sought guidance from Henry Kissinger, whom Clinton has called a friend. Kissinger first made a name for himself as an advisor to Richard Nixon. He played a key role in the administration’s wars in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.

According to a statement from the Trump camp:

President-elect Trump and Dr. Kissinger have known each other for years and had a great meeting. They discussed China, Russia, Iran, the EU and other events and issues around the world.”

But there’s just one problem: the establishment Trump has vowed to obliterate reveres Kissinger.

Unsurprisingly (and just like the political establishment), Kissinger is responsible for millions of deaths around the world. In his book, The Trial of Henry Kissinger, the late Christopher Hitchens outlined key facts he argued prove Kissinger is a war criminal. As cited by the Intercept, Kissinger was behind a wide array of destructive policies:

1. The deliberate mass killing of civilian populations in Indochina.
2. Deliberate collusion in mass murder, and later in assassination, in Bangladesh.
3. The personal suborning and planning of murder, of a senior constitutional officer in a democratic nation — Chile — with which the United States was not at war.
4. Personal involvement in a plan to murder the head of state in the democratic nation of Cyprus.
5. The incitement and enabling of genocide in East Timor
6. Personal involvement in a plan to kidnap and murder a journalist living in Washington, D.C.

Greg Grandin, a professor of history at New York University, outlined Kissinger’s transgressions just during his time in the Nixon administration:

He (1) prolonged the Vietnam War for five pointless years; (2) illegally bombed Cambodia and Laos; (3) goaded Nixon to wiretap staffers and journalists; (4) bore responsibility for three genocides in Cambodia, East Timor, and Bangladesh; (5) urged Nixon to go after Daniel Ellsberg for having released the Pentagon Papers, which set off a chain of events that brought down the Nixon White House; (6) pumped up Pakistan’s ISI, and encouraged it to use political Islam to destabilize Afghanistan; (7) began the U.S.’s arms-for-petrodollars dependency with Saudi Arabia and pre-revolutionary Iran; (8) accelerated needless civil wars in southern Africa that, in the name of supporting white supremacy, left millions dead; (9) supported coups and death squads throughout Latin America; and (10) ingratiated himself with the first-generation neocons, such as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, who would take American militarism to its next calamitous level.

Grandin notes that a “full tally hasn’t been done, but a back-of-the-envelope count would attribute 3, maybe 4 million deaths to Kissinger’s actions, but that number probably undercounts his victims in southern Africa.

Kissinger has met with every incoming president since he worked in the Nixon administration. The only exception to that rule was Barack Obama, who did not seek his advice.

Though Trump’s meeting with Kissinger is not guaranteed to reflect in Trump’s policies – especially considering how erratic the new president has proved himself to be — his decision to meet with one of Hillary Clinton’s favorite advisors reflects his lack of commitment to his previous rhetoric.

Though Trump campaigned on the sentiment that nation-building is unwise and the Iraq War was a mistake, he is now seeking guidance from one of the foundational architects of America’s decades-old role as chief hegemonist and policeman of the world.

I have tremendous respect for Dr. Kissinger and appreciate him sharing his thoughts with me,” Trump said after meeting with him.

Perhaps the best example of Kissinger’s poor judgment is reflected in a statement from Hillary Clinton during a presidential primary debate:

I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better — better than anybody had run it in a long time.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Trump Just Met with Henry Kissinger: ‘I Have Tremendous Respect’ for Him

Having tremendous respect for Heny Kissinger is a bad thing?

Having respect fot the individual in no way means that Henry Kissinger will influence Donald’s way of thinking or that he will adopt Kissinger’s ideas, if they were even presented.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   6:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Since Donald Trump unexpectedly won the presidency last week, his official positions have become increasingly murky.
The author needs to realize that Trump wrote the book for becoming a “winning negotiator.” Part of Trump’s successful technique is to never lay all your cards out on the table before you begin a negotiation or set out to achieve a program that may involve compromise.
Though he vowed to repeal Obamacare on the campaign trail, he has since softened his rhetoric.
Softening his rhetoric, if that is what he has done, is not disavowing his intent to repeal Obamacare. It is merely installing a sense of complacency in those from whom he must obtain concessions….a great negotiating technique. Nowhere do I see Trump abandoning his intent to do away with Obamacare. the author’s insinuation is intentionally misleading.

I could continue to parse the author’s condemnations….but my point would be the same for each of them. The point is ,that Trump knows what he is doing. we need to just let Trump be Trump….then he will “Drain the Swamp” and “Make American Great Again.”

You go, Donald….”you da man!”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   6:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Since Donald Trump unexpectedly won the presidency last week, his official positions have become increasingly murky.

Nothing murky in my eyes. He's doing what he said he was going to do.

He's not President yet, so all he can do now is choose people and telegraph intentions.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-11-20   7:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#1) (Edited)

Having tremendous respect for Heny Kissinger is a bad thing?

Yes. Having any respect for him at all is a bad thing. If Kissinger were 1,000 times better than he is now,he would still be a turd in a suit.

Having said that,as President,Trump wasn't really meeting with Komrade Kissinger,the Jewish Nazi. Kissinger is only the public front man.

The PRESIDENT ELECT was really meeting with the men with no faces or names that Kissinger speaks for. Which does NOT mean that Trump is accepting their list of wants and agreeing to make them come true.

He is not even sworn in yet so he has ZERO power to fight back or punish people that come after him,so he pretty much has to meet with the emmissaries of the international bankers and listen to their proposals. Not only is there nothing wrong with that as long as he doesn't make firm commitments to please them,but it is the smart thing to do. After all,how can you hope to defeat your enemies if you don't know how they think and what their goals are?

Now,if he were to offer Kissinger any sort of official or even unofficial position in government,I would be screaming he be impeached the day he is sworn in.

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   9:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

What is so bad about Kisinger? He was in office before my time. So I don't know everything about him. He seems ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-11-20   10:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

What is so bad about Kisinger? He was in office before my time. So I don't know everything about him. He seems ok.

For many of us that were involved in the Vietanm War, Kissinger wears the mask of Beezelbub. He fuckedupped the Paris Peace Accords.

Sumtymes, I think he was instrumental about The Gulf of Tonkin fuckup, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   12:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6)

The communists needed to be destroyed. Would you agree with that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-11-20   12:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

The communists needed to be destroyed. Would you agree with that?

VietNam was a total FUCKUP consideration. Nothing was changed than Americans got caught up in a FUCKEDUPPED US government that was dictated by the US CIA.

US government bureaucracies often drive insane intiatives like the Vietnam War that go nowhere.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   13:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#5) (Edited)

What is so bad about Kisinger?

EVERY bad decisions made about VN was made by Kissinger,and then when it was decided to bring the troops home and quit pretending we were trying to win,he did a 180 and blamed everyone else for his bad decisions.

He is a globalist asshat that has never had a position he won't change for a bag of cash.

If that ain't enough,he is the one responsible for inflicting us with Colon Powell. Kissinger picked him out of a litter of losers to be his assistant while he was Sec of State PROBABLY because he was soft-spoken black man that spoke English,and Kissinger wanted to look open-minded.

Once Kissinger became his rabbi,Powell quickly made rank and retired as a General. If it hadn't been for Kissinger,he would have been put out of the army as a Captain due to being passed over for promotion. Powell is the ONLY infantry branch officer I have ever heard of that served a full year as a advisor to a South Vietnamese Ranger Battalion in combat,and not only never got shot at because he never went on combat patrols or attacks with them,but didn't even get ANY awards or decorations from the South Vietnamese Army. Not even the tiniest "thanks for not setting fire to our couuntry" award.

Plus the Purple Heart he got as a major was undeserved and he only received that and the CIB he wears because of Kissiner wanted him to have them and nobody in the army brass they didn't want to get booted out could say "No" to Kissinger. Powell was a freaking staff weenie to a Brigade on the second tour,and the PH came from a injury he got when a helicopter he was flying in had mechanical problems and crash landed. There was NO combat involved,it was purely a mechanical issue,and you are NOT supposed to receive a Purple Heart unless you were wounded in actual combat with an armed enemy.

I am GUESSING the CIB came from the same event because he didn't get one his first tour as an advisor,and that is also unheard of in the army.

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   14:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#6)

Kissinger wears the mask of Beezelbub. He fuckedupped the Paris Peace Accords.

And he did it for cash and appointments to think tank board seats.

He was and still is for rent to the highest bidder.

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   14:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#8)

Nothing was changed than Americans got caught up in a FUCKEDUPPED US government that was dictated by the US CIA.

You are wrong about that. I knew people that were working for the CIA in Asia during the 60's,and they weren't to blame. The people that were to blame were the politial-appointee weasels like Kissinger,not the career people.

And you can be VERY sure NONE of those people ever got anywhere close to where they could be shot at.

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American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   14:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, nolu chan, GrandIsland, All Nam Viets, and everyone else ... (#6)

For many of us that were involved in the Vietanm War …
“Involved”….”INVOLVED”….in the Vietnam war? Exactly what does “involved in” mean….when you so boldly use that patriotically sounding descriptive term? I noticed that you were ever so careful not to say “For many of us that “PARTICIPATED” in the Vietnam War….and I know why.

WHY?

Because, shithead....you posted to me on LP that you were stationed in Germany during the Vietnam War and served as a photographer who occasionally went on a couple of TDYs from there. You told me that that you were stationed in Germany when I informed you that I was a graduate of the Seventh Army Senior NCO Academy in Munich back in 1954. Surely you can remember that…..even with your drug diseased decayed mind.

“Stolen Valor” is a term applied to the phenomenon of people falsely claiming military awards or badges they did not earn, service they did not perform. Someone insinuating they served in Vietnam during the war is classified as “Stolen Valor” and that is bad….really bad!

You have the nerve to call me an Air Force “potato peeler” even though I flew combat missions over Nam while you were sitting on your ass in German Gasthofs trying to drink the places dry of beer each night and chasing the junges Mädchens.

Knock off the BULLSHIT here and now, asshole….and stop trying to nonchalantly “pass yourself off as a Nam Vet.” Because you aren’t and this is yet another of the many LIES I have caught you in. Why can’t you ever speak the truth? I know, it’s a Paultard libertarian thing to do….lie to the fullest capability.

Some of my friends were shot down over Nam. One was shot and killed by the VC while trying to evade capture after he bailed out. Another bailed out over Laos and spent years in a bamboo cage while he was held captive in Laos and almost being forgotten during the POW release. Still another was shot down over Hanoi and spent time in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. The others were fortunate enough to have been picked up by the "Jolly Green Giants" performing combat search and rescue missions. You are unworthy of attempting to associate yourself with their bravery and a repulsive individual for ever trying.

God, you are such a grossly despicable person, one who has no HONOR….no HONOR at all.

Shame on you, Bucky….shame on you!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   15:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#12)

From the chief LF forum potatoe peeler, show me where I said any of your pointed remarcks.

I graduated from Bad Tölz academy, for sure. I was an honour graduate; I worked in a CEEIA team for the remainder of two years. BFD.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   15:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, nolu chan, GrandIsland, All Nam Viets, and everyone else ... (#13)

From the chief LF forum potatoe peeler, show me where I said any of your pointed remarcks.

There is no need to spend time searching LP archives when you admitted below that you are NO Vietnam Viet.

I graduated from Bad Tölz academy [in Germany], for sure. I was an honour graduate; I worked in a CEEIA team for the remainder of two years [in Germany]. BFD.

So, your statement: “For many of us that were involved in the Vietanm War” is a fabrication….an outright LIE. A lie because you were in no way “INVOLVED” in the Vietnam War.

God, you are one piece of slimy shit….insinuating you did something, when you did not.

Stolen Valor!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   15:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#14)

Unlike you, I did not peel potatoes. Although, potatoe peelers never came across my interests, I can see why you are inflamed about others, to include myself, really being involved; you thought potatoe peeling was of national strategic value.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   15:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#11)

And you can be VERY sure NONE of those people ever got anywhere close to where they could be shot at.

Yeah, all this US commradrie is total phun. Of course you don't understand how Bengazi went down under Hillary's direction.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   15:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete, buckeroo (#9)

EVERY bad decisions made about VN was made by Kissinger,and then when it was decided to bring the troops home and quit pretending we were trying to win,he did a 180 and blamed everyone else for his bad decisions.

You know maybe you guys should help us younger kids. I was in elementary school during the height of the war. Most people my age really do not have a clue when it comes to Vietnam and politics of that time. Schools ignored it and our parents tried to keep us from having to deal with it. My first understanding of politics came under Carter(What a loser).

Justified  posted on  2016-11-20   16:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin, buckeroo (#15)

While Gatlin was "peeling the potatos"(which is made up by buckeroo). Buckeroo was cleaning the latrine. I heard that buckeroo was such a wuss he was stuck on latrine duty for two years.

Buckeroo Bad Tolz's official toilet seat shiner.

Graduated from the latrine crew, lol. Buck served by cleaning s**t off toilet seats.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-11-20   16:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin, tater tot (#14)

Tater Valor!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)

Hondo68  posted on  2016-11-20   17:12:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Here is your little kiss, BIGSHOT ... Fuck off. You were never in the military and all gatlin ever saw was tater skins.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   17:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#14)

Vietnam was a political involvement asshole. It was never classified as a war. The US Government is complicit in your stolen valor BS, just as you are collecting 300 bucks a month as a token for being involved.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   17:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#16)

Yeah, all this US commradrie is total phun. Of course you don't understand how Bengazi went down under Hillary's direction.

Your head is more than a quart low if you are so delusional you think *I* EVER supported anyone named Clinton. They are all corrupt enough to be named Bush.

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   17:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#22)

Your head is more than a quart low if you are so delusional you think *I* EVER supported anyone named Clinton. They are all corrupt enough to be named Bush.

Kennedy, Johnson, Bush or 0bama or Clinton. Say it: all these Presidents have lied to the American People.

The USA_CIA is the creator of all contemporary problems in America and Presidents don't get it.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   17:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Justified (#17)

You know maybe you guys should help us younger kids. I was in elementary school during the height of the war. Most people my age really do not have a clue when it comes to Vietnam and politics of that time. Schools ignored it and our parents tried to keep us from having to deal with it. My first understanding of politics came under Carter(What a loser).

No so sure how much help I would be. I am as biased against the communists as the communists trying to take over this country were and are against America.

Basically it was JFK that got us involved in VN on the ground combat level. He did this by sending the first Special Forces Advisors there in I THINK 1962.

The first US troops to go to Indochina (later to be known as Viet Nam) were as observers sent there during WW-2 to do a "meet and greet" with the guerilla leaders fighting against the Japanese to see if we should give them material and manpower support to help them overthrow our common enemy. I may be wrong,but I THINK the decision was to not give them any support. I am GUESSING the reason behind this was because the guerilla bands were predominately communist,and they spent as much effort fighting against their fellow VN that were allied with the French as they did the Japanese.

There were a few SF soldiers sent there in 56 as pure observers to see pass back info to DC on how the then budding guerilla war by the north against the south was developing,and to make judgements on the military and political stability and future of the country. These guys were in civilian clothes and not working as combatants,although eventually most of them had been attacked and survived gun fights. They were serving in a PASSIVE role though,not an aggressive role.

Then sometime around late 1959 the first US SF advisors were sent there in uniform to help train the South Vietnamese Army. Once again,their role was passive. They were to train,but NOT to go on combat patrols or to lead SVN troops in combat.

At roughly the same time we were sending SF teams into Laos on Operation White Star. IIRC,this was going on from roughly 1959 to 1961. Most of those guys were TDY from the 1st Group on Okinawa,but some came from the 77th SFG at Bragg. I was later friends with some of these guys,and if he hasn't died in the last two years,at least one of them is still alive. White Star was a totally separate operation from the one in VN,though.

Some time in late 64 the White House (LBJ) decided to send the entire 5th SFG from Bragg to South Vietnam,and this was a to be their permanent home base. Before the 5th colors were pulled and the entire unit was officially sent back to the states to Kentucky,there were tens of thousands of US SF soldiers doing various things in VN and surrounding countries and waters.

Even after the 5th officially returned to the US there were some US SF guys still running recon operations in VN,Laos,and Cambodia. They just took off their berets and put on baseball caps and called themselves "Task Force something or another".

In 1965 LBJ decided to add conventional ground combat units to the mix,and the USMC made a beach landing at Da Nang,where they were greeted and recorded by a BUNCH of tv cameras. Still,the USMC IS the USMC,and they can't just land in airplanes,they have to make an amphibious landing so the Navy is involved,too.

US troop involvement after that just exploded. Pretty soon there were multiple infantry divisions running around all over the place.

It was the Dims that started and built the VN War into the huge event it became,and they stuck with it right up to the point where prominent Dims like Robert Kennedy saw there was no way to just get the VN to quit and there was no way to win unless they wanted to get serious about it. For political reasons,they knew THEY would never do that because too many in the Dim leadership were either communist sympathizers or outright communists themselves,so suddenly,overnight,Richard M.Nixon became responsible for the whole damn thing. It was ALL his fault and the fault of other Republicans,dating all the way back to WW-2. If you read history now you will read that JFK,the guy that started US involvement was really against the war,even though nobody was more enthusiastic about it than him. He was killed in Dallas,a redneck none of the "proper people in the northeast" approved of became the President,and the northeastern Dims did a 180 and became anti-war. Yeah,LBJ was a Dim,but he was from Texas,and that practically made him a Republican in the eyes of the ruling classes.

The Dim-controlled Congress cut the legs out under Nixon by refusing to budget the VN war,forcing him to cut back operations,and eventually forcing him to agree to withdraw American troops. Part of the agreement was that once Nixon withdrew US combat troops Congress would then agree to provide the SVN government with money and material to defeat the North Vietnamese,who were funded by China and the USSR.

They lied. The instant US combat troops were pulled out of the country Congress pulled the plug on financing and providing "guns,butter,and fuel" (everything necessary) to fight the war,thereby guaranteeing a communist victory.

Our media gleefully reported on the losses and desertions of the SVN army against the "Mighty Peep-Pulls Army of North Viet Nam",but what none of the talking heads on the news shows were reporting is the SVN Army was usually running away because they no longer had any fuel for their tanks or trucks,no food to eat,and no ammunition to shoot,thanks to the Dim-Controlled US Congress.

This Nixon ended up getting blamed in the media and some history books as being the "First American President to ever lose a war",but the only reason he lost it was because the Dim-Controlled Congress cut off the money and the supplies.

So,now we are here,a couple of decades later,after literally millions of lives were lost (the North Vietnamese alone lost MORE than 1 MILLION soldiers!),and even VN is no longer a communist country in anything more than name.

Even China isn't communist anymore,although it is still a dictatorship. China is now firmly the leader of the Fascist Left.

About the only communist countries left are the ones that shithead in North Korean runs as a private prison,and Cuba,which is still controlled by the decaying Castro brothers.

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   18:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#21)

Vietnam was a political involvement asshole. It was never classified as a war. The US Government is complicit in your stolen valor BS, just as you are collecting 300 bucks a month as a token for being involved.

You are now looking over your shoulder at "insane" disappearing in the distance behind you,ain't you?

ALL wars are political,dumbass! The definition of war was defined by General Clausewitz's argument that "war is a continuation of politics by other means.",and I have never heard anyone with even a nodding acquaintance with sanity try to argue the point.

And VN WAS a war. You don't send hundreds of thousands of armed soldiers,fleets of heavy bombers,fleets of ships that include aircraft carriers and battleships for ground support fire to picnics.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   18:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#23)

Kennedy, Johnson, Bush or 0bama or Clinton. Say it: all these Presidents have lied to the American People.

EVERY President has lied to the American people at one point or another.

The USA_CIA is the creator of all contemporary problems in America and Presidents don't get it.

BOO! I have it on reliable authority that the CIA is hiding under your bed even as I type this. They have injected microscopic CIA agents into your cereal bowl,and they are attempting to take over your mind.

Assuming of course there is anything left to take over.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-20   18:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#24)

When the French left Vietnam, they gave America carte blanche to change the nature of internationalism or globalism concepts through unilateral military action. Madame Nhu saw to that point and the greedy bastards getting defense contracts saw to that as part of the conspiratorial waste machine of today's US Government.

Meanwhile, thousands of Americans were murdered through US Presidential proclamation, called "heroes." To this day, the concept of "globalism" or "World cop" is a standard creed in Washington DC. Americans have paid much more than Trump has advertised as Six TRILLION bucks, too. The 20 TRILLION dollar debt is just a minor stipend of and about a failed US strategy to create "PEACE."

America has failed everywhere and especially here within our own borders while fucking the entire world up.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   18:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#26)

I have it on reliable authority that the CIA is hiding under your bed even as I type this. They have injected microscopic CIA agents into your cereal bowl,and they are attempting to take over your mind.

I don't eat cereal in the morn. I eat steak & eggs with buttered toast and variations of slected fruit berry jams. And I do not wear analuminum guard hat about your fuckeddupped theories, pal.

But the idea and actual FACT that a nation would permit a small group of elite members to spearhead America's foreign poicies is an atrocity to everyone.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   19:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#21)

Vietnam was a political involvement ... It was never classified as a war.

Oh?

Then why did you call it the Vietnam War in Post #6.

Concused often?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   19:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#29)

Most of us, understanding military action, is a WAR. The US Government is well known to just call such actions as, "involvement." They know that most Americans are ignorant and don't give a damn about US foreign policy, so they give you a sugar coated sucker to lick on.

Read the US Congressional Records when you have an opportunity to get off your crack-pipe.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   19:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#6)

Most of us,
You said “many of us” when you proclaimed your “involvement” in the Vietnam War.

That was before you admitted that you LIED and stated that you were NOT involved in the Vietnam War.

Now you use “most of us” when you attempt to make another proclamation.

Why are you such a weakling that you feel compelled to call upon the mysterious mythical figures….”us”….constantly for imaginary support?

Try standing ALONE and start simply using: “I.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#30)

Most of us ...

There you go again ...

Geeze, man....give it up ALREADY.

There are no "US" here....there is only "YOU."

Learn to speak for YOURSELF....and not try to speak for some imaginary group.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin, yukon (#31)

I have never lied on a chit-chat channel. I have no need to lie. As memory serves me, you have lied. You lied about me stealing yukon's password. I am fairely certain there are a few thousand posts laying around LF about your archaic, dimwit zeal.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   20:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#31)

Try standing ALONE and start simply using: “I.”

Nope.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   20:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#19)

Nah, sport...this is Tater Valor:

Operation Arc Light was the code name given to the use
of B-52 Stratofortress bombers during the Vietnam War.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:12:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#34)

Try standing ALONE and start simply using: “I.”

Nope.

I thoroughly understand.

I did not expect you to be able to STAND ALONE.

Thanks anyway ..

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin (#36)

Where in HELL, do you think you have te audicity to ask such putrid questions of me or anyone? Oh, 20 years of spuds peelin'. Got it.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-11-20   20:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#37)

Stop speaking for other people besides the libtarded millennial voter. They are the only ones shitting themselves in fear over TRUMP. Asshole

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-11-20   20:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#33)

I have never lied on a chit-chat channel. I

That's ANOTHER lie.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#37)

Where in HELL, do you think you have te audicity to ask such putrid questions of me or anyone?

It takes no audicity to question a LIAR.

You are a LIAR and I question you....I will continue to do so.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   20:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#28)

Don't you think you and faggot loving stink-Pete should stick together... and not fight? After all, it's just you, Dickard, Hondope, Fred's Ass Hertz and TpaineStain. When the SHTF, you'll need to act less anarchist amongst yourselves.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-11-20   20:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo (#21) (Edited)

I was just doing to you what you do to Gatlin.

Ok latrine boy.

Just kidding.

I don't know what you did in the service. Probably honorably served. Just as is probably the case with Gatlin.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-11-20   20:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GrandIsland (#41)

Don't you think you and faggot loving stink-Pete should stick together... and not fight? After all, it's just you, Dickard, Hondope, Fred's Ass Hertz and TpaineStain. When the SHTF, you'll need to act less anarchist amongst yourselves.

Deckard is just a guy that wants to be left alone and be free. Nothing wrong with that.

Same for Hondo. He likes to antagonize Repbulicans though because he thinks they betrayed him.

Fred is a good old guy. I disagree with him and he likes to throw very mild attacks. But a good dude nonetheless.

Tpaine is someone who loves our country and constitution. He wants the constitution obeyed. I disagree with some of the things he claims the constitution means. He isn't the enemy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-11-20   20:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, tpaine, Deckard, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#43)

Deckard is just a guy that wants to be left alone and be free. Nothing wrong with that.

Same for Hondo. He likes to antagonize Repbulicans though because he thinks they betrayed him.

Fred is a good old guy. I disagree with him and he likes to throw very mild attacks. But a good dude nonetheless.

Tpaine is someone who loves our country and constitution. He wants the constitution obeyed. I disagree with some of the things he claims the constitution means. He isn't the enemy.

Good post AK.

Mitt's back, maybe!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)

Hondo68  posted on  2016-11-20   22:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Deckard (#0)

I will always be glad I supported Trump financially, and with my words and vote. I will actively work to see him impeached if he takes all of the political capital he has earned, and throws it away with Romney, Kissinger, and others that actively worked to elect Hillary. That does include Ryan, and any other turncoats.

If I were Trump, I would schedule a interview with Glenn Beck, and at the last minute call him from the lobby and tell him I have other commitments. An interview with Megyn Kelly? cancelled. A hearty handshake and a well earned smile and thanks for your friends, hose your enemies down with a seltzer bottle filled with pig excrement urine.

This nation needs a strong man that does not tolerate American hating traitors. Keep them far away from you, and the Trump era can be awesome. Let them come in too close, and you will be an afterthought in history.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-11-20   22:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete, Justified (#24) (Edited)

You know maybe you guys should help us younger kids.

No[t] so sure how much help I would be.

That was better help than I could have ever been….and much more greatly appreciated coming from a “foot soldier.” I had the greatest respect for you guys and what you did….I still do, and I always will.

I would like to share something with you, if I may.

I was at the eye clinic Friday where I saw a guy in the waiting area as I came in…slumped in a wheelchair and wearing a black “Nam” baseball cap. I did as I always do every time I see someone wearing “the” cap….I stopped and gave him a smart hand salute. The fellow could barely raise his arm, but he did so hesitantly and returned the salute. The young lady with him smiled and said: “It’s his birthday….he’s a Marine.” I then said to him: “Happy birthday Marine and Semper Fi.” He barely raised his hand and gave me a “thumbs up.” I felt good about that, and thought you might appreciate the story. I hope you did….I enjoyed telling it to you.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   22:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#46)

From Wikipedia: John Paul Vann.

Pete, did you ever see A Bright Shining Lie, the 1998 American made-for-television war drama film based on Neil Sheehan's book of the same name and the true story of John Paul Vann's experience in the Vietnam War.

I don’t know how much the movie was jazzed up, you would know best about that…. but I do know that Bill Paxton did one fine job of acting the part of Vann. A Bright Shining Lie will always be my favorite “Nam” movie.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-20   22:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: jeremiad (#45)

This nation needs a strong man that does not tolerate American hating traitors. Keep them far away from you

@20:10 "Political correctness was on the ballot, and it lost".


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)

Hondo68  posted on  2016-11-20   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: jeremiad (#45) (Edited)

I will always be glad I supported Trump …
I supported Trump all through his candidacy and I will continue to support President-Elect Trump as he decides whom he wants to serve in his cabinet.

Trump has a proven track record of placing the right person with full qualifications in the proper respective job….and I feel he has outstanding managerial abilities to continue doing so.

I say: “Let Trump be Trump.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-11-21   0:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: hondo68 (#44)

That guy is a Stepford Wife - a programmed computer script.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-11-21   5:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Gatlin (#47)

Pete, did you ever see A Bright Shining Lie,

No. I didn't really start watching tv until a few years ago. Too busy doing fun things when I was younger.

I always intended to read the book,but never got around to it.

Now that you have reminded me,I will check all my devices to look for it. It has to be playing somewhere.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-11-21   6:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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