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Title: Transcript: Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals
Source: Donald J. Trump [WaPo transcript]
URL Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news ... on-speech-annotated/?tid=a_inl
Published: Sep 1, 2016
Author: Donald J. Trump
Post Date: 2016-09-01 13:02:32 by ConservingFreedom
Keywords: None
Views: 6493
Comments: 37

[...] And the establishment of our new lawful immigration system then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain.

That discussion can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory of the past, no longer with us, allowing us to weigh the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time.

Right now, however, we're in the middle of a jobs crisis, a border crisis and a terrorism crisis like never before. All energies of the federal government and the legislative process must now be focused on immigration security. That is the only conversation we should be having at this time, immigration security. Cut it off. [...] [emphasis added]

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#7. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)

Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals

I can understand how someone reading the relatively small portion of Trump's lengthy immigration policy speech posted above might reach that conclusion. However, I believe anyone who carefully and thoughtfully reads the entire speech will note two things: 1. The several "types" of ILLEGAL immigrants Trump speaks of removing/deporting; and, 2. the various methods of removal/deportation that will be utilized.

Considering those two things, I don't see how there could possibly be ANY illegal immigrants DELIBERATELY being allowed to remain. Therefore, I do not believe Trump could have been referring to ILLEGALS when he spoke of "consider(ing) the appropriate disposition of those INDIVIDUALS who remain." (Emphasis added)

On the other hand, I believe it's totally fair and appropriate to ask who Trump WAS referring to when he said that; and, I believe the answer lies in the portion of the speech designated as "Number 10;" i.e., individuals who are LEGAL immigrants.

The way I read the speech in it's entirety is that Trump is saying removing the very worst of illegals (rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc.) is his first priority; his second priority is removing ALL of the remaining illegals (Covered under Numbers 1 - 9); and, his third priority is deciding how to best handle any LEGAL immigrants whose presence here is causing problems, either currently or in the future, for our welfare system, jobs market, schools, healthcare system, etc. (Covered under Number 10)

Indeed, in Trump's OWN words, those he is referring to in the entire EXCERPT you posted are only those covered under our "LAWFUL immigration system" (Emphasis added); which, explicitly excludes all ILLEGALS.

packrat1145  posted on  2016-09-03   1:27:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: packrat1145 (#7)

Nice try - but it would make no sense to say "That discussion [of legal immigrants, in your reading] can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory."

And the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-09-03   19:16:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ConservingFreedom (#8)

Nice try - but it would make no sense to say "That discussion [of legal immigrants, in your reading] can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory."

Of course, it makes sense, PERFECT sense; simply because, as long as ILLEGALS are still here, the affects of LEGAL immigrants cannot be fully evaluated. In other words, while ILLEGALS are being removed, a "new lawful immigration system" will be "established;" and, once all the ILLEGALS are gone, "then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals [LEGAL immigrants] who remain."

And the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population.

Granted, that is the way it's SUPPOSED to work. But, it has NOT worked that way in many decades; and, it will NEVER work that way as long as someone does not change the status quo by securing the border and streamlining our LEGAL immigration laws. Trump is the only candidate with a chance in hell of winning who has said he will do that.

packrat1145  posted on  2016-09-04   0:10:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: packrat1145 (#13)

as long as ILLEGALS are still here, the affects of LEGAL immigrants cannot be fully evaluated.

Clever - but Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration".

our "LAWFUL immigration system" (Emphasis added); which, explicitly excludes all ILLEGALS.

'the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population.'

Granted, that is the way it's SUPPOSED to work. But, it has NOT worked that way in many decades

True but beside the point - the point is that when read in context, Trump's reference to the "lawful immigration system" had nothing to do with illegals already here.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-09-04   15:20:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ConservingFreedom (#20)

Clever - but Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration".

Well, if your claim is that Trump said those here legally are here to stay FOREVER, he certainly did NOT say any such thing in THAT quote; and, I don't think you can provide a single direct quote from Trump AT ALL wherein he does say what you're claiming.

I've read comments on this forum from you on other topics. You're not exactly a dumb ass; and, you're obviously CAPABLE of understanding plain English. So, your problem can't be a lack of comprehension.

YET, you insist on continuing to offer up things Trump has said and CLAIMING you believe his meaning is something no one with even a minimal understanding of English could POSSIBLY infer from his words.

Therefore, the problem has to be that you're just another one of Ted Cruz's supporters who, like Cruz himself, cannot accept defeat. And you, Cruz, and a relatively small handful of other rabid Cruz supporters rather allow Hillary to win than swallow your pride and support the ONLY person who has a chance in hell of saving America!

Luckily for Cruz and his handful of misguided followers such as yourself, Trump will win DESPITE your best efforts to destroy his campaign; and, his winning will save America from becoming embroiled in another bloody revolution in which Cruz, et. al., would be hunted down like the useful idiots you all are. So, you SHOULD get down on your knees and thank God for making Trump the next president of the USA!

packrat1145  posted on  2016-09-04   23:59:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: packrat1145 (#30) (Edited)

'Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration".'

Well, if your claim is that Trump said those here legally are here to stay FOREVER, he certainly did NOT say any such thing in THAT quote

So you claim Trump was saying we'll have an obligation to people that have been kicked out of the country, and their children - and that said obligation will be met by controlling future immigration?

Your desperate flailings become ever more comical.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-09-05   0:11:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ConservingFreedom (#31)

So you claim Trump was saying we'll have an obligation to people that have been kicked out of the country, and their children - and that said obligation will be met by controlling future immigration?

I'm making no such claim and that's not at all what Trump said either.

The 59 million Trump referred to includes both illegal aliens and legal immigrants. See the text under Table 1 here: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/...-and-change-through-2065/. Table 1 can be found under the heading in bold, "Latin American and Asian Immigration Since 1965 Changes U.S. Racial and Ethnic Makeup."

What Trump was saying is that after the illegals are removed, the legal immigrants will still be here. It is those LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children to whom we owe an obligation to control future immigration.

Your desperate flailings become ever more comical.

If anyone is desperately flailing, it is you. Unfortunately, your deliberate but failing attempts to destroy the candidate who DID IN FACT destroy your idol, Ted Cruz, are not at all comical. Bizarre, asinine, non-nonsensical, yes; but, not funny in the least...

packrat1145  posted on  2016-09-05   11:58:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: packrat1145 (#34)

What Trump was saying is that after the illegals are removed, the legal immigrants will still be here. It is those LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children to whom we owe an obligation to control future immigration.

And if, as you claim, he meant them when he talked about "considering the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain" and "weighing the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time," then it adds up to our possibly kicking out those to whom we owe an obligation. Which makes no sense - so your argument falls flat.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-09-05 12:44:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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