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Title: A Conspiracy Theory that became a “Conspiracy Fact”: The CIA, Afghanistan’s Poppy Fields and America’s Growing Heroin Epidemic
Source: Govt Slaves
URL Source: http://www.govtslaves.info/a-conspi ... ricas-growing-heroin-epidemic/
Published: Jul 2, 2016
Author: Timothy Alexander Guzman
Post Date: 2016-07-02 16:25:53 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 9000
Comments: 51

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(Timothy Alexander Guzman)  The heroin epidemic resembles the days when “Crack cocaine” became the major drug that destroyed communities across the United States and other parts of the world including the Caribbean that began in the early 1980’s.

The Crack epidemic coincidently began around the same time when the Iran-Contra Scandal was being exposed. U.S. cities such as Los Angeles, Miami and New York City experienced a rise in crime and disease. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported back in 2015 that “heroin use in the United States increased 63% from 2002 through 2013.” Fast forward to 2016, heroin is sweeping across the United States at unprecedented levels. 

According to an NBC affiliate  reported that state officials were set to declare a “public health emergency” in New Haven, Connecticut over the rise of heroin use which has resulted in two deaths:

Officials in New Haven on Friday were set to address a public health emergency declaration brought on by a rash of heroin overdoses in the city beginning Thursday. New Haven police said emergency responders saw at least 15 overdoses since Thursday afternoon, and possibly up to 22. At least two people have died. The city is warning residents that there is a batch of tainted, life-threatening heroin on the streets

In the suburbs of Long Island, NY, heroin use is an increasing problem. According to www.suburbanheroin.com a website devoted to the heroin epidemic on Long Island states that in 2012 – 2013 more than 242 people died from heroin use. Long Island is home to some of the wealthiest communities in New York State which goes to show that heroin is affecting all neighborhoods rich and poor. The NBC news report said that the CDC admitted that heroin has become an epidemic since 2002 

“The CDC reports that between 2002 and 2014 the rate of heroin-related overdose deaths more than quadrupled and more than 10,500 died nationwide in 2014.”

Now the question is why heroin use has dramatically increased since 2002? Maybe the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 after the September 11th attacks under the Bush regime had something to do with it? The main-stream media (MSM) establishment mouthpiece The Washington Post admitted in 2006 that heroin production in Afghanistan “broke all records” while under U.S. occupation:

Opium production in Afghanistan, which provides more than 90 percent of the world’s heroin, broke all records in 2006, reaching a historic high despite ongoing U.S.-sponsored eradication efforts, the Bush administration reported yesterday.

In addition to a 26 percent production increase over past year — for a total of 5,644 metric tons — the amount of land under cultivation in opium poppies grew by 61 percent. Cultivation in the two main production provinces, Helmand in the southwest and Oruzgan in central Afghanistan, was up by 132 percent

Washington claims that Mexico is the source of the heroin that is flooding U.S. streets “with 10,500 hectares under poppy cultivation in 2012” while Afghanistan had “224,000 hectares” according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) in a 2014 report but the numbers tell a different story. Mexico’s heroin trade is small in comparison although it has been increasing its production capabilities.

However, not only heroin from Afghanistan is the major source for U.S. citizens, “BigPharma”, or the ‘corporate drug dealers’ who sell “legal drugs” also have a hand in the epidemic because they produce and sell ‘Opioids’ such asOxyContin and Percocet which is similar to heroin. Opioid medications are normally used as painkillers for broken bones, lacerations or post-surgery pain. However, abusing Opioids can also lead to heroin use.

The online news source The Huffington Post published an article titled ‘Ron Paul Had Accurate Conspiracy Theory: CIA Was Tied To Drug Traffickers’ highlights what the former Libertarian Presidential nominee Dr. Ron Paul said on the involvement of the CIA in the drug trade which was not a “Conspiracy Theory” but a fact when taking into consideration the Iran-Contra Scandal:

In 1988, while running for president on the Libertarian Party ticket, he highlighted yet another conspiracy theory, and this one doesn’t collapse under investigation: The CIA, Paul told a gathering of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, was involved in trafficking drugs as part of the Iran-Contra debacle.

Drug trafficking is “a gold mine for people who want to raise money in the underground government in order to finance projects that they can’t get legitimately. It is very clear that the CIA has been very much involved with drug dealings,” Paul said. “The CIA was very much involved in the Iran-Contra scandals. I’m not making up the stories; we saw it on television. They were hauling down weapons and drugs back. And the CIA and government officials were closing their eyes, fighting a war that was technically illegal”

The Taliban banned the production of opium in 2000. The War in Afghanistan was mainly about producing opium which did end up in the streets of Iran, Russia and China. According to a Pravda report in 2015 by William Edstrom titled ‘Heroin Dealer in Chief. Afghanistan, Source of 90% of The World’s Heroin’ stated the impact of Afghanistan’s opium production on neighboring countries:

Afghanistan, source of 90% of Earth’s heroin, ended 90% of Earth’s heroin problems when Taliban outlawed opium in 2000. The reason for War in Afghanistan was because Taliban outlawed opium growing which ended economic wars (opium wars) against Iran, Russia and China

The heroin epidemic is now affecting cities and towns across the U.S. Edstrom estimates that 165,000 American’s will die from the heroin epidemic in the next 10 years:

The War in Afghanistan began as an opium war against Iran, Russia and China, the tables are turning into an opium war against Americans on track to kill 165,000 Americans (2016-2026). Americans, 5% of Earth’s population, take 60% of painkillers on Earth

The death rate could go much higher considering the increasing level of poverty in the U.S. especially in the inner cities where the highest unemployment rates is among the 18-34 year olds. Many young adults will unfortunately turn to the drug trade whether they sell or use as hope fades for the lack of jobs or opportunities.

Fox News had a segment with Geraldo Rivera that shows how the U.S. government (in this case, the U.S. Marines) is involved in Afghanistan’s heroin production with Washington’s approval of course. Watch Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgKmJESBFsw

Heroin is a valuable commodity as long as the War on Drugs remains in effect, that’s why Obama extended the Afghan mission until 2017, for the next U.S. elected president to occupy the White House. If it’s Hillary Clinton, U.S. troops will remain in Afghanistan indefinitely. Trump might do the same, but that still remains to be seen. On July 7th, 2015 NBC reported on Afghanistan’s opium production and where they stand in terms of world supply

“According to the United Nations, the war-torn nation provides 90 percent of the world’s supply of opium poppy, the bright, flowery crop that transforms into one of the most addictive drugs in existence.”NBC also quoted John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction who did say that “Afghanistan has roughly 500,000 acres, or about 780 square miles, devoted to growing opium poppy. That’s equivalent to more than 400,000 U.S. football fields — including the end zones.”

That’s a large amount of land devoted to opium production which provides an opportunity for the CIA to cash in on the illegal drug trade for their secret covert operations (which avoids public scrutiny) and re-establish a drug trade route to target the populations of China, Iran and Russia.

The heroin crisis then and now is a direct consequence of the Military-Industrial Complex. During the 1970’s, around the same time during the Vietnam War, heroin made its way to the United States from the Golden Triangle which became an epidemic. It was estimated that more than 200,000 people in New York City alone were using heroin. At one point in time, you were able to find used syringes on public playgrounds.

Now, heroin from Afghanistan has made its way back to the U.S. Heroin is profitable as much as it is strategic; it is also used as a weapon against Chinese, Iranian and Russian populations which has led to addiction, crime and helped spread diseases such as AIDS. Heroin is now affecting the United States, the CIA’s very own territory. Not that the CIA really cares who it effects when you closely examine their history of drug trafficking with the Iran-Contra Scandal or the Golden Triangle during the Vietnam War as author and activist William Blum noted in his book Rogue State,

 “The CIA flew the drugs all over Southeast Asia, to sites where the opium was processed into heroin, and to trans-shipment points on the route to Western customers.”

As long as the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan continues under the guise of establishing a democratic government, the flow of heroin will continue unabated. One question we should ask is “who owns the planes and the ships that transport 90% percent of the world’s heroin from Afghanistan to the rest of the world in the first place? It sure isn’t the Taliban. (3 images)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Geeze, Sport ... this ancient history shit was debunked and "put to bed" years ago.

You fanatical shitheads need to start coming up with something new and not regurgitating old crap.

Oh, you obviously have nothing new ... I see.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   16:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#1)

The CIA running drugs from SE Asia during Vietnam....FACT

The CIA running Cocaine from Central and South America ....FACT

The CIA running Opium from Afghanistan currently and ongoing....FACT

You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-07-02   16:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jeremiad (#2) (Edited)

You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.

Same back at you, Sport.

You stating somethings as FACTS does not make them FACTS.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   16:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

Opium production in Afghanistan, which provides more than 90 percent of the world’s heroin, broke all records in 2006, reaching a historic high despite ongoing U.S.-sponsored eradication efforts, the Bush administration reported yesterday.

So the US military, with the power to kill if they want to, with satellites, drones, spies, tanks, fighter jets, bombers, and herbicides did ALL THEY COULD, but the efforts resulted in INCREASED yields of Opium. That reminds me of WJClinton, telling the Americans that he tried as hard as he had ever tried in his entire life, but he couldn't figure out a way to give a promised tax cut for the Middle Class.

ROFLMAOATSATBTS...Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off At The Stupid Americans That Buy This Shit.

It is more like the ongoing American effort to guard and protect those planting, harvesting and shipping of Opium products.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-07-02   16:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#1)

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If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   16:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BorisY (#5)

Good CT ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   16:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jeremiad (#4) (Edited)

There has been a number of alleged claims that the CIA is or has been involved in drug trafficking.

All claims have led to investigation by the U.S. government, which included hearings and reports by the House, Senate, DOJ and the CIA’s own IG.

I know, you don’t believe anything the government says is true, and in this case not true.

That’s your problem … live with it.

ROTFLMAO at you freaks who continue to believe in and promote this old conspiracy theory.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   16:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#1)

this ancient history shit was debunked

So you say.

You think by calling me a "shithead" you have debunked these FACTS?

Fox News (well-known Conspiracy Freak, kook-site) had a segment with Geraldo Rivera that shows how the U.S. government (in this case, the U.S. Marines) is involved in Afghanistan’s heroin production with Washington’s approval of course.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

All claims have led to investigation by the U.S. government, which included hearings and reports by the House, Senate, DOJ and the CIA’s own IG.

ROTFL!

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#8)

Don't even dare try to feed me this bullshit as facts.

Geraldo is paid millions each year to GENERATE controversial crap to increase viewership and keep FOX news on top.

I will be a “player” after you show me "overwhelming evidence" that the CIA has been smuggling drugs for decades.

I’ll pass on your failed attempt to pass Geraldo off on me as confirming evidence.

And don’t try to hit me with any Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet shit from the Alex Jones puke palace.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin, jeremiad (#7)

All claims have led to investigation by the U.S. government, which included hearings and reports by the House, Senate, DOJ and the CIA’s own IG.

Poor deluded Gatlin - once again he displays his naive world view and complete ignorance of the facts.

CIA admits drug trafficking, cover-up

This isn’t the CIA report you may be thinking of, the one from last January in which that
agency swore up and down it “could find no evidence” for any contra-drug ties.
No. This is the other one

— Volume 2, dated October 8,
1998. The one in which the CIA quietly, quietly admits it allowed cocaine to be exported and sold to American citizens to help fund the contras.

Back in March, the CIA’s Inspector General, Fred Hitz, told Congress that the
CIA had maintained relationships with companies and individuals that it knew to be involved in the drug business, and furthermore, that the CIA had received from the Justice Department clearance not to report any knowledge it might have of drug-dealing by CIA assets.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#9)

ROTFL!

Right back at you ... where is your overwhelming evidence to contradict those investigations.

Until you can furnish it ... you just keep laughing out of your ass.

That is all you are capable of.

ROTFL! BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jeremiad (#4)

So the US military, with the power to kill if they want to, with satellites, drones, spies, tanks, fighter jets, bombers, and herbicides did ALL THEY COULD, but the efforts resulted in INCREASED yields of Opium.

Pretty good system - the government imports the drugs, then arrests those who use them.

Huge money to be made all around.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#10)

What is the total budget of the US_CIA on an annual basis?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#10)

I'm not going to waste my time with you.

I know that you are programmed to reflexively spout the "conspiracy theory" meme whenever some facts are posted that make you feel uncomfortable.

The cognitive dissonance that you are experiencing is apparent in every aspect of your life.

Any facts that shine the light of truth on the criminal activities of the U.S. government MUST be rejected by you or else your entire worldview will come crashing down.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#11)

Back in March, the CIA’s Inspector General, Fred Hitz, told Congress ..

Show me the Congressional record testimony ... don't tell me what WND said he said.

These people, including the guy who wrote the book in the link, have set up a money generating industry to profit with millions upon millions of dollars.

And gullible-assed shitheads like you continue to buy into CT crap ... because it is SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BELIVE. And when you want to believe it, nothing in Heaven or on earth will stop you from doing that.

I am done here, I have no more time to waste with your propaganda.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#15)

The fuckin' punk doesn't EVEN know that the entire CIA budget is SECRET, even to the US Congress that appropriates the federal budget. He has no idea how unaccountable the US government *is* to the US taxpayer.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#17)

He has no idea ...

And all you have is pure SPECULATION ... no CONFIRMING information.

It's yours, all yours ... the pure speculation.

I don't deal in speculation like you Paultard assholes do, looking for anything and everything to lay blame at the feet of the government about.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin (#10)

Suck on this.

Overwhelming Evidence That the CIA is Smuggling Drugs for Decades

I. Top Mexican Drug Lord: 'I Trafficked Cocaine For the U.S. Government'

The “logistical coordinator” for a top Mexican drug-trafficking gang that was responsible for purchasing the CIA torture jet that crashed with four tons on cocaine on board back in 2007 has told the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago that he has been working as a U.S. government asset for years.

Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla is the son of Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada Garcia, one of the top kingpins of the Sinaloa drug-trafficking organization.

Niebla was arrested in Mexico in March 2009 and extradited to the United States to stand trial last February.

“The indictment pending against Zambada Niebla claims he served as the “logistical coordinator” for the “cartel,” helping to oversee an operation that imported into the U.S. “multi-ton quantities of cocaine… using various means, including but not limited to, Boeing 747 cargo aircraft, private aircraft… buses, rail cars, tractor trailers, and automobiles,” writes Narcosphere’s Bill Conroy.
In a two page court pleading filed with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago, Niebla claims that he was working on behalf and with the authority of, “The U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (“DEA”); and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”); and the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”),” since January 1, 2004.

Niebla is also connected to the Gulfstream II jet that wrecked with four tons of cocaine on board on September 24, 2007. European investigators linked the plane’s tail number, N987SA, to past CIA “rendition” operations.

II. Head of DEA: "CIA are drug smugglers"!

The head of the DEA at the time, Judge Robert Bonner accused the CIA of being drug smugglers .

Reporter:

"A ton of cocaine was smuggled into the United States of America by the Venezuelan National Guard, in cooperation with the CIA?"
Judge Robert Bonner, Head of DEA:
"That's exactely what appears to have happened."
The estimated worth of a ton of pure cocaine was at the time, hundreds of millions of dollars.

III. Undercover DEA agent Michael Levine

Undercover DEA agent Michael Levine (author of NY Times non-fiction bestseller "The Deep Cover Operation That Exposed the CIA Sabotage of the Drug War") had been co-opted by the CIA in South-East Asia. Levine testified that for more than 30 years, the Federal Government had protected some drug dealers.

During the Nixon administration, Levine was about to bust a major source of heroin:
"I was stoped (...) because that source were our allies in the Vietnam war," said DEA agent Michael Levine.
Levine also stated that this was not an isolated incident, and that it happened many times in his 25 year career.

****

There's much more at the link, all with links to reputable sources.

I'm sure that a self-described "truth-seeker" like you will diligently investigate the article and go to the provided links in order to form an opinion, right?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#19)

Suck on this.

FUCK THAT ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#18)

Go research what I claim.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21) (Edited)

Go research what I claim.

I am not your damned secretary.

You made the claim ... you furnish irrefutable evidence.

The edited interviews Deckard is trying so desperately to pitch ... with only partial statements taken out of context is not irrefutable evidence

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#21)

Go research what I claim.

The self-described "truth seeker" won't do that - his programming will not allow it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#22)

You made the claim ... you furnish irrefutable evidence.

Ask your local Senator john McCain ABOUT GOVERNMENT ACCOOUNTABILTY. he loves the government just like YOU.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#23)

The "Seeker of Truth" does not go on a "snipe hunt."

My highly functional intelligence will not even consider it.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#24)

Same response ... you furnish the irrefutable evidence.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   17:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#23)

You understand the claim, "the CIA maintains a SECRET budget," don't you? its a minor detail about US government accountability to the US taxpayer that not many address.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26)

you furnish the irrefutable evidence.

Sure. Read the US Congressional Budget that has no outlays (expenditures) for the US_CIA each and every year since 1951. That is about 65 years of solid evidence.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   17:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#16)

Show me the Congressional record testimony

You can read the actual CIA Report on line - if you dare.

As reported by Associated Press, the report, "portrays the spy agency as reluctant to inform Congress or law enforcement of suspected drug activity by Nicaraguan Contra forces."

The AP story continued to say that, "In classified briefings on Capitol Hill, CIA officials typically acknowledged only one major case of narcotics involvement by an anti-Sandinista group - the so called ADREN [sic] 15th of September group, which was disbanded in 1982. But the newly declassified report links to drug allegations 58 other individuals belonging to various Contra groups."

A telling passage of the CIA report itself states that "In six cases CIA knowledge of allegations or information indicating that organizations or individuals had been involved in drug trafficking did not deter their use by CIA. In at least two of those cases, CIA did not act to verify drug trafficking allegations or information even when it had the opportunity to do so."

In an apparent confirmation of Gary Webb's Dark Alliance series The New York Times, in a brief story, picked out a paragraph from the report which acknowledged that Contra leaders in California and the Bay area specifically planned to deal drugs to raise money for the Contras.

The Los Angeles Times has not printed a word about the report.

The report itself is a thousand times more damaging to CIA than even these limited stories indicated. It begins by going through a detailed and convoluted process of describing how, beginning in 1981, the CIA entered into a conspiratorial set of negotiations with the Justice Department which accomplished two things.

First, the negotiations took literally thousands of people described as agents, assets and contractors and removed them from their previous as classification of "employees" and made them instantly "non-employees."

This set the stage for the second part of the conspiracy, which was to remove a previously stated responsibility to report drug trafficking by non-employees connected to Agency operations.

These people, including the guy who wrote the book in the link, have set up a money generating industry to profit with millions upon millions of dollars.

Oh sure - they are all millionaires.

Are you freaking serious?

And gullible-assed shitheads like you continue to buy into CT crap

And once again, you have offered NOTHING in the way of rebuttal, just more unbridled anger and fear of the truth.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#25)

My highly functional intelligence

You meant your highly functional fear of the truth, didn't you?

Gatlin - the "Truth Seeker".

What a clown.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   17:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#30)

What is it you don't understand about irrefutable evidence.

Until you can furnish that ... I will be the clown who laughs at you.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-07-02   18:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#31)

You just wimped out, sarge. You are a pathetic kanary.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   18:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#31)

What is it you don't understand about irrefutable evidence.

Oh, the CIA's own report isn't reputable enough?

"Truth Seeker"! Man, you are a real hoot.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   18:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#32)

You just wimped out, sarge.

I expected no less.

Kinda cowardly for a self described "Major", don't you think?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   18:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#34)

Kinda cowardly for a self described "Major", don't you think?

Major DUMBFUCK? He sports that logo, well.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   18:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#0)

Shouldn't the libertarian position be to welcome this flow of drugs into America?

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-07-02   18:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard (#13)

Local and State prisons/jails are leased, then operated by private entities for a profit too, only Federal prisons are run by the US government, with nice retirement and pension plans too I suppose. Probably in line with what they used to give shipyard workers, only with higher pay.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-07-02   18:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nativist nationalist (#36)

Shouldn't the libertarian position be to welcome this flow of drugs into America?

You been getting your views about libertarians from Gatlin I see.

Shouldn't the drug warriors be concerned that the same government that imports the drugs is the same government waging war on users?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   18:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deckard (#38)

Shouldn't the libertarian position be to welcome this flow of drugs into America?

You been getting your views about libertarians from Gatlin I see.

Most of the posts on libertarians and drugs come from you. You've posted numerous paeans to narcotics over the years, and now you turn against them?

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-07-02   18:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jeremiad (#37)

Local and State prisons/jails are leased, then operated by private entities for a profit too

Which is why I believe there are more and more laws being written, many of them by the companies themselves who lobby for new laws.

Private prison companies are exploiting our corrupt political system to lock people up… for profit.

The two largest private prison companies alone have spent $35 million on lobbying and campaign contributions to state and local officials since 1989. Evidently, it was money well spent:

The number of prisoners housed in private facilities has jumped 1600% since 1990.

By buying favor with the right politicians, private prison companies have been able to secure everything from lucrative government contracts to harsher laws to guarantee a steady stream of inmates for their facilities. These companies turn our tax dollars into a lucrative business that hauls in $3 billion a year.

The Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and GEO Group, the two largest private prison companies in the United States, have funneled more than $10 million directly to State Lawmakers since 1989.

They pick candidates who are likely to win and donate enough money to ensure they get a seat at the negotiating table when it comes time to start writing laws.

There are so many laws now that the average person breaks at least one a day.

It's all about revenue.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   18:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nativist nationalist (#39) (Edited)

You've posted numerous paeans to narcotics over the years...

I've posted numerous articles on the dismal failure of the drug war, and articles that document the medical use of cannabis.

...and now you turn against them?

I don't know of anyone, libertarian or not who is in favor of seeing people addicted to narcotics.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-07-02   19:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#40)

It's all about revenue.

how
sad

at
san
quentin

prison
labor
makes
25
cent
/
hour

commissary
full
price

room
board
free

bring
back
the
electric
chair

Make
America
great
again

love
boris

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BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   19:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: BorisY (#42)

bring
back
the
electric
chair

You love EST @the Hawaii Foundation for the Mentally Incompetent, don't you?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   19:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43)

1st
their
battered
drug
fried
brains

then
their
asses
too

eventually
all
prisons
will
be
off
shored

to
3rd
world
countries

happy
happy
independence
day

Make
America
great
happy
again

love
boris

ps

bon
voyage

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BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   19:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: BorisY (#44)

happy
independence
day

right back @ya!
Can you pay back all your millions of dollars you sucked off the US Government that housed you within an Insane Asylum?

Someone has to pay back the TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS the taxpayers are stuck for; it might as well be the LF BorisY inmate.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#45)

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

I
can
do
it

no
problem

Make
America
great
rich
again

love
boris

ps

too
bad
you
won't
make
it
be
there
miss
the
boat

pss

only
trumpers
conservatives
CHRISTIANS

welcome

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BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   19:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: BorisY (#46)

yeah

yeah

yeah

Kinda like that ol' Beatle's group. ya can't keep up, can ya?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   19:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#47)

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

I
want
to
hold
your
hand

shake

shake

shake

good
bye

Make
America
secular
great
again

deport
repatriate
all
fascist
Nazis
now

love
boris

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   19:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: BorisY (#48)

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

hah

I don't understand the cryptic Trump BS.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-02   19:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deckard, Donald Rumsfeld, War for high drug profits (#0)

Backing Trump to keep drug cartel profits high.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-07-02   20:00:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#49) (Edited)

you
don't
get
to
vote
after
the
election

a
train
load
of
used
lottery
tickets
won't
get
you
a
cup
of
coffee

nothing
cryptic

I'm
talking
eternity

YOU
WON"T
DON'T
WANT
TO
BE
THERE

c'est la vie

when
you
want
to
it
will
be
too
late

cia
boris

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-02   21:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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