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Title: Cops Murder Woman’s Three Dogs, Shooting One Through a Locked Door — To Look for Pot
Source: Free Thought Project/Dailyu News
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/i- ... -cannabis/#T7WwMaO2T5HyyBFJ.99
Published: May 28, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-05-28 18:26:54 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 20967
Comments: 118

Detroit, MI — Three of Detroit’s finest, Officer Gaines, Officer Paul, and Officer Morrison, are named in a recent lawsuit after they entered a woman’s home, hunted down her dogs, and murdered them all.

The officers were serving a search warrant in search of one of the most beneficial plants on the planet which is currently outlawed in the state of Michigan. After cops murdered all the dogs, they came to the owner of the home, Nikita Smith, and said, “I should have killed you too,” according to the lawsuit.

According to Smith, when the cops came to the door to tell her they had a warrant to look for marijuana, she asked them if she could secure the dogs. Smith put two dogs in the basement and locked one in the bathroom.

But the fact that the dogs were secured, did not matter to these cruel officers. “They went around and killed them. Like a death squad,” Smith’s lawyer Chris Olson told the Daily News on Thursday.

As the Daily News reports:

After officers entered the home, one of the dogs was able to get out of the basement, and harmlessly sat next to Smith. As Smith reached for the dog, officers shot the animal “multiple times,” the lawsuit charges. Smith watched from less than 10 feet away as the dog, named Debo, died on the floor.

Three officers then went to the basement and fatally shot a dog named Mama, who was pregnant. Mama was quiet and not attacking the cops at the time, according to the lawsuit.

When the sadistic cops found the last dog in the bathroom, according to the suit, they discussed if they should kill it or not. It was locked in a bathroom.

“Should we do that one too?” one cop asked.

“Yes,” replied the other as Officer Gaines and Officer Paul opened fire, shooting through the door multiple times killing the dog on the other side, named Smoke.

“Did you see that? I got that one good!” Officer Gaines said as he laughed, according to the lawsuit.

According to Smith, after the officers killed all of her dogs, one of them walked up to her and said, “I should have killed you too.” Then, another officer told her, “you could have been killed.”

Pictures from the scene show Smith’s home riddled with bullet holes. They also show the tragically brutal aftermath of Smoke flailing around the bathroom as officers shot through the door. Blood quite literally painted the walls.

BLOODY BATHROOM

“I couldn’t believe my eyes,” Olson said.

Cops incorrectly believed that Smith’s home was a drug house and during the raid, they found only marijuana.

“They had a warrant to search the house,” Olson said. “That we don’t really quarrel with. But when you search the house, you can’t go in the house and kill all the dogs.”

Smith was arrested on charges of possession of marijuana — a misdemeanor. For possessing a plant, police officers felt it was just to break into Smith’s home, kill her dogs, kidnap her, and throw her in a cage — and this is called ‘Justice’ in the land of the free.

The charges against Smith, however, were later thrown out as the cops who broke into her home and murdered her dogs never bothered to show up to court.

Cannabis has been shown to kill cancer cells, save the lives of countless epileptic children, treat PTSD, heal bones, treat brain trauma, and a slew of other uses science is only beginning to understand. And yet, the only thing dangerous about this seemingly miraculous plant is that police will kidnap, cage, or kill you or your pets for possessing it. (1 image)

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#64. To: Gatlin (#37)

" How do you KNOW the author, Matt Agorist, stated FACTS in the article? "

How do you know that he did not? And what is the source of your info: " " With Cujo behind the bathroom engaged in excessive low-range barking; snarling; growling, snapping and scratching at the bathroom door " "

" That would be the first question an intelligent person with general cognitive problem-solving skills would ask … est-ce pas droit ? " Take your own advice.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   13:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Gatlin (#63)

unique way

pissed

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   13:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Stoner (#64)

" How do you KNOW the author, Matt Agorist, stated FACTS in the article? "

How do you know that he did not?

I don’t know if Matt Agorist presented “facts” or “judgments” in the article.

I do however know that I go through a thought process each time I read an article to ask myself, “Can I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this is true?” If the answer is yes, then it’s a fact, and I begin the process of acceptance.

On the other hand, if there is even a tiny bit of doubt and wiggle room … then it’s a judgment. Unlike a fact, a judgment is open to interpretation and can be questioned, challenged and disputed … for me, that’s exactly what needs to be done. I do what I do … I challenge a judgment.

Challenging a judgment isn’t an easy thing to do. But the first step is simply recognizing that a judgment is more subjective than objective. And that provides a certain degree of comfort in and of itself.

It appears that it is a natural tendency for some people to accept a judgment as a fact without even realizing it. Or, when they read something they want to believe, they will accept it as a fact and not realize it is a judgment.

Facts have very little power to hurt us, but it’s only when we insert a painful judgment that we can suffer and cause others to suffer.

You missed my point with the Cujo parody, it was used to show that many things are possible and we really don’t know what went on behind a closed bathroom door.

I do know that one of the dogs was an American Pit Bull Terrier and based on the article, it would be pretty safe to make a judgment that the other two dogs were the same breed.

It did not go unnoticed by me that Mat Agorist mentioned “dog(s)” twelve times in the article and not once did use “Pit Bull(s).” Why not? Was it because these fearful two words would nullify the sympathy conditioning he was leading his readers towards? Probably so.

Many insurers will often not provide homeowner’s insurance coverage Pit Bulls because of the massive volume of attacks and because they are so vicious. Quite frequently, these dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. Pit bulls have been known to attack the elderly, their owners, attack and eat small children – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to attack. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other. it also cannot be denied that this particular breed is responsible for more fatalities than any other type of dog. I can imagine the Pit Bull behind the bathroom door acting the way I depicted Cujo, but you can imagine the Pit Bull as a docile lap dog cowering in the corner afraid of the big bad cops if you choose to do so.
Since there is no way for me to determine if what Matt Agorist published is fact, judgment or opinion … I can therefore neither condemn nor condone the actions by the cops.

I feel that is what an intelligent person with general cognitive problem- solving skills would do … I have done so and therefore I have taken my own advice.

If you want to accept what Matt Agorist had to say as fact, believe it and condemn the cops, then that is your prerogative to do so … est-ce pas droit?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   16:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Gatlin (#66)

" not once did use “Pit Bull(s).” Why not? Was it because these fearful two words would nullify the sympathy conditioning he was leading his readers towards? Probably so.

Many insurers will often not provide homeowner’s insurance coverage Pit Bulls because of the massive volume of attacks and because they are so vicious. Quite frequently, these dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. Pit bulls have been known to attack the elderly, their owners, attack and eat small children – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to attack. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other. it also cannot be denied that this particular breed is responsible for more fatalities than any other type of dog. I can imagine the Pit Bull behind the bathroom door acting the way I depicted Cujo, but you can imagine the Pit Bull as a docile lap dog cowering in the corner afraid of the big bad cops if you choose to do so. "

Well, Mr " I want the facts ". I reread the posted article, and went to the source link, and not once did I see " Pit Bull " spelled out. Yet you injected the word into your post. Why is that ? Simple, to inject fear so others will sympathize with the cops, and try to justify their actions. Because the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it.

Looks like you are making up shit there sarge. Not very truthful! Not a sign of " an intelligent person with general cognitive problem- solving skills ". More like a BSer, making up lies !

Go back to being a cop groupie. Maybe some will let you polish their badge, LOL

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   16:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Stoner (#67)

polish their badge baton.

Fixed it.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-29   16:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: ConservingFreedom (#68)

LOL

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   16:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: BobCeleste (#28)

Does that include Police Dogs?

If not, how is there an exception?

Dogs are not people. Police dogs are not people. One cannot murder a dog any more than one can murder a cow.

But you can have a murder of crows.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-29   16:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Stoner (#67)

I reread the posted article, and went to the source link, and not once did I see " Pit Bull " spelled out. Yet you injected the word into your post. Why is that ? Simple, to inject fear so others will sympathize with the cops, and try to justify their actions. Because the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it.

It's not just Pit Bulls.

Gatlin is on record here supporting ANY cop shooting ANY dog, even Chihuahuas and other small breeds, even when there is no threat posed by these dogs.

Go back to being a cop groupie. Maybe some will let you polish their badge, LOL

It's what he does best.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   17:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Gatlin, Stoner (#66)

You missed my point with the Cujo parody, it was used to show that many things are possible and we really don’t know what went on behind a closed bathroom door.

It doesn't matter - the point is, the door was closed.

The cops shot THROUGH the door.

They were in no danger - they killed the dogs and laughed about it afterwards.

Why?

Because they are mentally disturbed individuals who have no business being cops.

No doubt these sick freaks have issues going back to childhood when they most likely tortured animals for fun.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   17:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Stoner (#67)

Pit Bull ...

Well, Mr " I want the facts ". I reread the posted article, and went to the source link, and not once did I see " Pit Bull " spelled out. Yet you injected the word into your post. Why is that ? Simple, to inject fear so others will sympathize with the cops, and try to justify their actions. Because the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it.

Looks like you are making up shit there sarge. Not very truthful! Not a sign of " an intelligent person with general cognitive problem- solving skills ". More like a BSer, making up lies !

Go back to being a cop groupie. Maybe some will let you polish their badge, LOL

Can you recognize a Pit Bull when you see one?

Yes … you say?

Then go to paragraph in the article and click on the Daily News on Thursday link.

You see ole Debo pictured there? Debo was one of three of Nikita Smith's dogs that were killed.

Do you recognize Debo’s jaws as those of a pit bull, which can grab hold of their target and refuse to let to … sometimes even after they have expired. They are hard-wired for this behavior. Look at those teeth, those are pit bull teeth that when he once gets his teeth in, nothing can shake him off. Ralph Waldo Emerson " 'This is the bull-dog bite; you must cut off the head to loosen the teeth." Jack London described the bulldog grip in White Fang as the "clinging death."

Matt Agorist who leads you to believe that pit bulls are "just dogs" is either lying to you, ignorant of the true nature of gripping dogs or concealing information in order to gain sympathy and support for his biased cause.

I have shown you where Matt Agorist “lied by omission.” Now show me where my “lie” is, please.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   17:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Deckard (#72)

Why?

I find out the facts on what happened and then I will start to speculate as to why?

I am not going to take the word of a guy who was not, did not personally interview anyone, but simply read another article and wrote his article using quotes from that second article by a pothead who has pit bulls in her home to protect her stash.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   17:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Deckard, Stoner (#71)

It's not just Pit Bulls.

Gatlin is on record here supporting ANY cop shooting ANY dog, even Chihuahuas and other small breeds, even when there is no threat posed by these dogs.

What is true, is that I am on record to ferret out the facts and not be emotionally swayed so as to be led down the agenda path by any author who posts half truths and innuendos.

If YOU want to CONTINUE down that path ... then have at it.

Now, tell your asshole cop-hating buddy, Stoner ... that Debo (shown in the picture in the link) is definitely a pit bull.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   17:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#72)

" It doesn't matter - the point is, the door was closed.

The cops shot THROUGH the door. "

And what if a child had been on the other side of the door, with the dog. I guess to the cop cult worshipers, " that would have been too bad. The child should not have been there. "

" No doubt these sick freaks have issues going back to childhood when they most likely tortured animals for fun. " That, or they were little wimps and got bullied around. Now, with a gun & badge, they have " the power " and are anxious to use it.

Sooner or later, karma is going to pay those clowns a horrific visit. Then the cult members will be all " boo hoo hoo, wah wah wah wah, poor hero's! "

Like I have said before, if the cops have such an obsession for killing, let them go after the Bloods, the Crips, BLM, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. Or, they should go join the Army, and volunteer for the sand box.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   17:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Gatlin (#75)

" your asshole cop-hating buddy, Stoner "

I do not hate cops. I do not like cops that act improperly. I have personal fiends that are cops, local PD, SO, SP, Game Wardens, and Feds.

Sarge, you are the asshole here, and everyone knows it.

This site was much more enjoyable before you came back. FO

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   17:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Stoner, Deckard (#76)

"It doesn't matter - the point is, the door was closed.
The cops shot THROUGH the door."
And what if a child had been on the other side of the door, with the dog. I guess to the cop cult worshipers, " that would have been too bad. The child should not have been there. "

I don’t know what the cop cult worshipers would say, but I personally say the mother should have been arrested for leaving a child LOCKED in a bathroom with a PIT BULL.

Why do I say that?

To answer that question, let your mind dwell on the following incident when you envision a child locked in the bathroom alone with a pit bull:

‘They just ate him,’ mom says about [pit bull] attack on son.

Detroit --Lucillie Strickland says she has been “constantly” reliving in her mind the sight of her 4-year-old son being mauled by four pit bulls.

“They pulled him from me and (dragged) him under the fence. They just ate him,” said Strickland, a 33-year-old wife and mother of seven, breaking down in tears.

Strickland was walking with her 4-year-old son Xavier to nearby Thurgood Marshall school, when four pit bulls charged from the back of a home in the 15500 block of Baylis around 12:25 p.m. Wednesday. They attacked her child as she tried to fight them off.

dogs attacked Strickland, too, biting her in the back and the legs as she tried to protect Xavier, a little boy small for his age.

“I fell on top of him,” Strickland said Thursday, explaining how she tried to protect her little boy. “I had him under my arms.”

When police arrived in the neighborhood near the Lodge Freeway and Linwood they fatally shot three of the dogs. The fourth was captured.

Xavier was taken to Henry Ford Hospital where he died despite doctors’ efforts to save him.

Think about it ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   18:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Gatlin (#75)

I notice you didn't even try to deny the factoid I posted.

Attaboy!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   18:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Stoner (#77)

I do not like cops that act improperly.

How do you determine cops acted improperly simply by reading an article someone wrote after reading another about an incident?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   18:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Gatlin, Stoner, Deckard (#78)

'And what if a child had been on the other side of the door, with the dog. I guess to the cop cult worshipers, " that would have been too bad. The child should not have been there. "'

I don’t know what the cop cult worshipers would say, but I personally say the mother should have been arrested for leaving a child LOCKED in a bathroom with a PIT BULL.

And the cops in the scenario under discussion - what should happen to them?

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-29   18:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Deckard (#79)

I give no credence to gross exaggerations and implied charges.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   18:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Gatlin, Stoner, ConservingFreedom (#80)

How do you determine cops acted improperly simply by reading an article someone wrote after reading another about an incident?

Here's two more mainstream accounts of the same story. The problem is - you won't believe those either.

'They killed them like a death squad': Detroit cops 'needlessly murdered three dogs during home search before threatening their owner', lawsuit claims

Detroit police accused of needlessly killing dogs while searching house

A couple of comments -

Jennifer Martinez

I support our law enforcement but this is unacceptable. These cops are sick, vicious, sociopaths who should not be on the police force. They killed one through a locked door? Are you kidding me?!?! I hope she nails them to the wall. This makes me sick.

Lisa Glime

I am normally very supportive of law enforcement but there are some officers who have no place being on the force......ones like these! This is so wrong! The officers shot and killed these dogs, even though they presented no danger and were contained. It was so vicious and heartless. It's frightening to think, these are people who are supposed to protect us. Who will protect us from them?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   18:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: ConservingFreedom (#81)

And the cops in the scenario under discussion - what should happen to them?

I would assume neither guilt nor innocence.

There should be a thorough and impartial investigation conducted either internally or by the Sheriff's Department.

The departmental protocol should be evaluated. If the protocol was wrong or inadequate with respect to directions, then it should be immediately corrected..

If the cops violated departmental protocol at the time of the incident, they should be disciplined.

How severely?

I would need further information to say. Termination would be a paramount consideration.

If the cops violated the law, they should be charged and brought to trial.

If found guilty, then termination would be automatic.

If protocol was wrong or violated and/or if a law was broken … a public apology should be issued and full restitution for damages. plus punitive dames awarded.

That would be my course of action based on what information I can objectively gleen at this time..

I don’t think I missed anything.

What would you do?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   18:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Deckard (#0)

If the cops have a warrant to search the house, why didn't she temporarily leash the dogs outside?

Putting the dogs in areas where the cops are going to search is pointless.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-29   18:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Deckard, Stoner, ConservingFreedom (#83) (Edited)

How do you determine cops acted improperly simply by reading an article someone wrote after reading another about an incident?

Here's two more mainstream accounts of the same story. The problem is - you won't believe those either.

So your answer to my question is that you would read TWO MORE mainstream accounts of the same story and base your JUDGMENT of the events solely on three mainstream accounts of the story … is this correct? I assume it is, because I can read your statement no other way.

You say three stories in the mainstream media … eh? Okay, I will cover that and raise you with 10 compelling reasons you can never trust the mainstream media. (Let’s concede that I can in order to save time and space … I assure you that I can).

Let’s look at “Fair and Balanced” Fox News to find that a recently released analysis by PunditFact revealed that out of every statement made by a Fox News host or guest, over half of them were completely false. What’s more, only 8% percent could even be considered “completely true.”

So, now tell me again, that you are willing to believe three mainstream accounts of the same story … and I will tell you that I will question the validity in all three.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   19:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: misterwhite (#85)

If the cops have a warrant to search the house, why didn't she temporarily leash the dogs outside?

Putting the dogs in areas where the cops are going to search is pointless.

Pointless?

Maybe not, could have been a strategic deployment of the three pit bulls (assuming the other two were also pit bulls) by the pothead to protect her stash.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   19:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin (#86)

Seriously?

First you rag on FTP and Matt Agorist, claiming they are biased.

I give you two more sources, and you still remain adamant in your defense of these psychopaths?

What would it take - a confession from the cops themselves?

Looks to me like they've already done that.

All charges were dropped against Nikita Smith, the cops never showed up in court.

And once again I repeat - these cops were in NO DANGER from any of these dogs!

Yet you continue to defend their actions.

You sick son of a bitch.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   19:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Gatlin (#87) (Edited)

Maybe not, could have been a strategic deployment of the three pit bulls (assuming the other two were also pit bulls) by the pothead to protect her stash.

More ignorant assumptions from LF's leading purveyor of bullshit.

The charges were dropped against Smith.

Look - I know EXACTLY how your sick mind works.

Potheads deserve to have their dogs killed by cops.

You fucking drug warriors are insane and a scourge on America.

I can't wait for the day when you or one of the other cop-worshipers ends up getting raided by SWAT.

Oh - that's right, you're a law-abiding citizen.

Tough shit. You think that will matter to the cops when they mistakenly raid your house because of sloppy or careless police work? Don't expect any sympathy from me when that happens.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-29   19:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Stoner, A K A Stone (#77)

Sarge, you are the asshole here, and everyone knows it.
You can have your opinion about me.

But your approval isn’t something I need or want and you don’t speak for everyone.

This site was much more enjoyable before you came back. FO
Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but I will not “Fuck Off.”

I was contacted through an intermediary sent by Stone tp personally ask me to return to LF and resume posting. I gracefully accepted the invitation in the spirit it was offered and returned. I am happy to be back and I believe that Stone is satisfied that I have returned.

So, you are definitely out of order when you suggest that I “Fuck Off” and leave LF. I will not do so and I plan to stay as long as Stone, our host, accepts me.

I will go on now to discuss your attempt to stifle my freedom to comment on LF. It is the unassailable truth as I speak from the “high ground” of tolerance and say that I have a right to my opinions and I have been given permission to post those opinions. If you don’t like my opinions, then you can ignore them by not clicking on my comments or place me on the “Bozo” in the setup tab.

Thank you in advance for your anticipated understanding.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   19:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Deckard (#89)

It was no assumption, it was a presumption … the difference can be subtle, and difficult for your untrained mind to understand.

No, potheads do not deserve to have their dogs killed by cops or anyone else. The main reason a cop makes the decision to shoot a dog is due to a perceived threat from that animal. When a cop shoots someone’s dog, it deeply affects the dog’s human family, as well as the officer, the neighborhood, and the community.

People can protect their dogs by protecting the officers, that should be simple enough for even your stressed cop-hating mind to understand. The procedures to protect dogs are simple: Follow all leash laws, and keep dogs away from law enforcement during neighborhood searches, 911 calls and searches authorized by warrants..

I will not waste time to comment on the other gibberish in your contemptuous post showing disdain with an attempt to be scornful and disrespectful..

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   20:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#90)

" you are definitely out of order when you suggest that I “Fuck Off” and leave LF."

I never suggested that you "leave LF". But it certainly would not bother me if you did.

As to "being out of order", I guess you think you were "in order" when you called me "asshole" ? TS!

" If you don’t like my opinions, then you can ignore them by not clicking on my comments or place me on the “Bozo” in the setup tab. " I will do that, and suggest you do the same!

arrivederci sarge.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-29   20:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#73)

Then go to paragraph in the article and click on the Daily News on Thursday link.

You see ole Debo pictured there? Debo was one of three of Nikita Smith's dogs that were killed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/detroit-officers-kill-dogs-warning-graphic-photo-article-1.2651260

When the officers showed up at the Detroit home where Smith and Kevin Thomas live in January to execute a search warrant, they were told by Smith there were three dogs present. Smith then put two of the dogs in the basement, and locked the third one in the bathroom, according to the lawsuit. Thomas was not home at the time.

After officers entered the home, one of the dogs was able to get out of the basement, and harmlessly sat next to Smith.

[...]

[Smith's lawyer Chris ] Olson said Smith had done everything correctly in her effort to secure the dogs, yet the officers still "went around and killed them."

Smith's lawyer says Smith had done everything correctly to secure the dogs. And yet, after they were supposedly secured, one of the pit bulls magically appeared sitting next to Smith, harmlessly. Sitting unrestrained next to the owner is not restrained and is not harmless. And then there is the police report.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/313964609/Nikita-Smith-vs-City-of-Detroit-Police

Nikita Smith v City of Detroit et al, MIED 2-16-11882 (25 May 2016) COMPLAINT

https://www.scribd.com/doc/313964688/Nikita-Smith-vs-City-of-Detroit-Exhibits-1-2

Nikita Smith v City of Detroit et al, MIED 2-16-11882 (25 May 2016) (EXHIBITS) 1 of 2

https://www.scribd.com/doc/313964730/Nikita-Smith-vs-City-of-Detroit-Exhibits-2-2

Nikita Smith v City of Detroit et al, MIED 2-16-11882 (25 May 2016) (EXHIBITS) 2 of 2

From Detroit Police Department Arrest Report of 14 January 2016:

C- MEMEBERS OF MVS CODE 2979 MADE ABOVE LOCATION TO EXCEUTE NARCOTIC SEARCH WARRANT. ENTRY TEAM ANNOUNCED PRESENCE AND PURPOSE AND WITH NO RESPONSE FROM INSIDE FORCED ENTRY WAS MADE INTO THE LOCATION. P.O. MORRISON ENCOUNTERED A VICIOUS GRAY PITBULL AT THE FRONT DOOR AT WHICH TIME HE FIRED HIS DEPT ISSUED SHOTGUN STRIKING THE DOG. ENTRY TEAM ENTERED THE LOCATION AT WHICH TIME THE SAME PITBULL CHARGED AT P.O. [REDACTED], P.O. [REDACTED] FIRED 7 SHOTS FROM HIS DEPARTMENT ISSUED HANDGUN AT THE PITBULL, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. SIMULTANIOUSLY A VICIOUS BLACK DOG CHARGED AT P.O. [REDACTED] FROM THE BATHROOM. P.O. [REDACTED] FIRED THREE SHOTS FROM HIS DEPARTMENT ISSUED SHOTGUN, P.O. PAUL AND P.O. GAINES FIRED ONE SOT FROM TEIR DEPARTMENT ISSUED HANGGUNS, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. P.O. [REDACTED] ENCOUNTERED A VICIOUS WHITE PITBULL IN THE BASEMENT AND FIRED HIS DEPARTMENT APROVED SHOTGUN 5 TIMES, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. AFTER THE HOUSE WAS DECLARED SAFE, CREW DETAINED NIKITA SMITH IN THE DINING ROOM. P.O. [REDACTED] RECOVERED BELOW LISTED MARIJUANA FROM THE KITCHEN STOVE TOP AND PLACED IN EVIDENCE. SGT [REDACTED] RECOVERED THE BELOW LISTED MARIJUANA FROM NE BEDROOM CLOSET, SGT [REDACTED] FORFEITED BELOW LISTED VEHICLE TO 2121 FORT STREET, TOWED BY V&F CONTROL #NW23053. MRS SMITH WAS ARRESTED AND CONVEYED TO DDC WITHOUT INCIDENT.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-29   20:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Stoner (#92)

I will not place you on bozo because I find your greater belief in the unproven and/or unprovable aspects of cop-hating articles coupled with your lesser degree of intellectual curiosity interesting.

I an actually fascinated by your vivacity and it makes you a great comedic actor because you join in with Bucky and Deckard to attack cops with with their same endless energy.

In fact, your posts are a mirror of Bucky’s posts. You have copied his style and mimicked his choice of descriptive adjectives.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   20:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Stoner, Deckard, Buckeroo, Justified, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, BobCeleste, misterwhite, nolu chan (#93)

From Detroit Police Department Arrest Report of 14 January 2016 tell a much different story that the Free Thought Project article by Matt Agorist :

C- MEMEBERS OF MVS CODE 2979 MADE ABOVE LOCATION TO EXCEUTE NARCOTIC SEARCH WARRANT. ENTRY TEAM ANNOUNCED PRESENCE AND PURPOSE AND WITH NO RESPONSE FROM INSIDE FORCED ENTRY WAS MADE INTO THE LOCATION. P.O. MORRISON ENCOUNTERED A VICIOUS GRAY PITBULL AT THE FRONT DOOR AT WHICH TIME HE FIRED HIS DEPT ISSUED SHOTGUN STRIKING THE DOG. ENTRY TEAM ENTERED THE LOCATION AT WHICH TIME THE SAME PITBULL CHARGED AT P.O. [REDACTED], P.O. [REDACTED] FIRED 7 SHOTS FROM HIS DEPARTMENT ISSUED HANDGUN AT THE PITBULL, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. SIMULTANIOUSLY A VICIOUS BLACK DOG CHARGED AT P.O. [REDACTED] FROM THE BATHROOM. P.O. [REDACTED] FIRED THREE SHOTS FROM HIS DEPARTMENT ISSUED SHOTGUN, P.O. PAUL AND P.O. GAINES FIRED ONE SOT FROM TEIR DEPARTMENT ISSUED HANGGUNS, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. P.O. [REDACTED] ENCOUNTERED A VICIOUS WHITE PITBULL IN THE BASEMENT AND FIRED HIS DEPARTMENT APROVED SHOTGUN 5 TIMES, ALL SHOTS TOOK EFFECT AND DESTROYED THE ANIMAL. AFTER THE HOUSE WAS DECLARED SAFE, CREW DETAINED NIKITA SMITH IN THE DINING ROOM. P.O. [REDACTED] RECOVERED BELOW LISTED MARIJUANA FROM THE KITCHEN STOVE TOP AND PLACED IN EVIDENCE. SGT [REDACTED] RECOVERED THE BELOW LISTED MARIJUANA FROM NE BEDROOM CLOSET, SGT [REDACTED] FORFEITED BELOW LISTED VEHICLE TO 2121 FORT STREET, TOWED BY V&F CONTROL #NW23053. MRS SMITH WAS ARRESTED AND CONVEYED TO DDC WITHOUT INCIDENT.

I guess it is a question now of whom do you wish to believe, Smith or all the members of the Detroit PD Narcotics Team.

Thanks to nolu chan … you now have a choice.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   21:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: nolu chan (#93)

Thank You ... Thank You.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   21:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Stoner (#67)

Well, Mr " I want the facts ". I reread the posted article, and went to the source link, and not once did I see " Pit Bull " spelled out. Yet you injected the word into your post. Why is that ? Simple, to inject fear so others will sympathize with the cops, and try to justify their actions. Because the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it.

Looks like you are making up shit there sarge. Not very truthful! Not a sign of " an intelligent person with general cognitive problem- solving skills ". More like a BSer, making up lies !


Two Pit Bulls and a Rottweiler - Source

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   21:34:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Gatlin (#96)

Thank you. Thank you.

You're welcome.

According to Matt Agorist:

According to Smith, when the cops came to the door to tell her they had a warrant to look for marijuana, she asked them if she could secure the dogs. Smith put two dogs in the basement and locked one in the bathroom.

But the fact that the dogs were secured, did not matter to these cruel officers.

A half-dozen cops show up with a warrant to search an alleged drug den. The lady of the house answers their knock at the door, tells them she has three dogs, and asks if it is ok if she secures the dogs.

Presumably, they allow her to do this unaccompanied and return to tell them that it is safe and to invite them in for tea and crumpets.

In the Complaint at 4:

17. Next, Plaintiff Nikita Smith placed two of her dogs, Debo and Mama, in the basement and blocked the entryway to the basement.

18. Plaintiffs other dog, Smoke, was sequestered in the bathroom with the door closed.

19. Defendant police officers next entered the residence without permission.

20. Plaintiffs’ dog Debo got past the obstruction from the basement and sat next to Plaintiff Nikita Smith.

If one assumes the cops accompanied and supervised her in securing the dogs, the cops permitted her to leave the dogs free running in the basement, with an undescribed obstruction that would not obstruct a pitbull. And the harmless pitbull proceeded to, apparently noiselessly, overcome the undescribed obstacle, and sit by its owner's side, interrupting the tea and crumpets.

If one assumes the cops accompanied and supervised her in securing the dogs, the cops watched approvingly as she, without explanation, put two dogs in the basement and one in the bathroom.

Or, there was evidence of gunshots left behind and she had to come up with some explanation for how the supposedly secured dogs were shot — one in the living room, one in the bathroom and one in the basement.

If the cops did not supervise her securing the dogs, that is the damnedest police work ever on a drug search. Can I secure the dogs? Of course, ma'am, take your time, destroy all the evidence you can, and let us know when it is safe to enter. Thank you for your cooperation.

And darn, they had a warrant and entered without permission after the dogs were "sequestered."

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-29   21:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Stoner (#95)

Stoner: Because the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it.

It's entirely possible that Nikita Smith lied.

It is also entirely possible that ALL members of the Detroit PD Narcotics Squad lied.

I am not prepared to say who lied ... but obviously, someone did.

You read the article and now you have read the police report.

Do you stand by your statement "the cops were wrong, and everyone here knows it?"

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   21:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: nolu chan (#98)

If the cops did not supervise her securing the dogs, that is the damnedest police work ever on a drug search. Can I secure the dogs? Of course, ma'am, take your time, destroy all the evidence you can, and let us know when it is safe to enter. Thank you for your cooperation.

And darn, they had a warrant and entered without permission after the dogs were "sequestered."

I had the same reaction. My intuition told me all along that article stinks to high Heaven and smacked of a pseudo-journalist on a mission to prove an agenda.

Matt wrote an article based on the information he read in anther article. I'm sure that you have noticed this is common practice. One reporter will publish something and a multitude of other reporters will parrot it like they are the original source. That was why I had to laugh when Deckard posted two additional sources and told me they said the same thing as the article posted here.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   22:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Gatlin (#84)

I don’t think I missed anything.

Nor I.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-29   22:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: ConservingFreedom (#101) (Edited)

Thank you.

All I tried to do on the thread was question the veracity of the article. Nowhere did I ever say, or even suggest, the cops were right. Yet, I was repeatedly accused of defending the cops.

I believe that cops who violate protocol need to be held accountable and disciplinary or corrective action taken. While cops who break the law must be tried and convicted in a court of law.

Trying and convicting cops on hearsay evidence, second hand information and the biased opinions that are presented in these cop-hating articles has now become an Internet sport to some.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   22:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Deckard (#88)

First you rag on FTP and Matt Agorist, claiming they are biased.

And once again I repeat - these cops were in NO DANGER from any of these dogs!

They are definitely biased.

They did they not publish the police report to present the cops side of the incident.

That would definitely be the unbiased thing to do ... intelligent minds would agree.

Either Nikita Smith is lying of the entire narc team is lying.

Publish both sides and let the readers have access to all information available.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   23:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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