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Published: May 21, 2016
Author: Michael A. Thiac
Post Date: 2016-05-21 18:38:41 by tpaine
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This nation does not need the draft By Michael A. Thiac A proposal to include women in the military draft, supported in Congressional testimony by the heads of the Marine Corps and Army, was stripped from the National Defense Authorization Act by a close vote of the House Rules Committee this week. But agitation for universal military conscription will continue, sometimes from the left, so “so that Americans ‘feel the burden’ of ongoing military operations against Islamic militants, will not go away.” After 23 years of military service, it is clear to me that a universal draft is not essential, and indeed would be harmful to our national security. Asking everyone to serve would be a disaster. Assume you put in a draft of “every” high school graduate. Approximately 3.9 million people turn 18 each year in the United States. Say of those, 80% are “fit” for military service (i.e., meet height/weight requirements, no issue with narcotics use, no criminal issues), you are talking of induction of 3.2 million people a year. This is a World War II level of forced public service when we are not at war with major powers. If this is a two-year draft enlistment (what was used in Vietnam, as opposed to “the duration” during WWII), the armed forces will have to in-process and train them. The Army (and the other services) don’t have the facilities to in-process that many men and women right now. Can you imagine the cost of bringing online multiple basic training posts throughout the county? Currently we induct approximately 200K a year across all four branches of service, enlisted and officers. A draft could increase this by more than a factor of 15! Now follow this some more. Army Basic Training is 9-10 weeks. What do you do with the people who “fail,” i.e. are overweight, do not meet standards on physical training tests, “fail” a urinalysis test, etc. Currently we throw them out. How many people will we throw out after we spend the resources to bring them in? Please don’t tell me others, not wanting to be forced to “serve,” will not deliberately do something to be excused. What will you do then? Put them in prison? Send them home? Then you have to get them to Advanced Individual Training, a school that can be two to over twelve months, depending on the specialty. Say for good measure, combining travel and casual status, 3 months Basic, 3 months AIT. That’s half a year. Get them to a new unit, and it takes a few months to get into the swing of things. Next thing you know, Private Snuffy has less than a year left. And he’s counting down days. Because he never wanted to be there and if you give him an order and he refuses, what do you do? Put him in the stockade? Throw him out? Either you keep a disruptive man in a unit, or you throw him out, either way you weaken the outfit. One of the greatest things needed for an effective unit is cohesion. With constant turnaround caused by draftees this will only degrade us. If a draft is implemented for further social engineering, the Pentagon would have to spend a fortune (which we don’t have) to put people in who don’t want to be there, train them and send them out. Such a massive waste of resources would only weaken our nation’s defense. We need a highly trained, professional service. Some draft advocates argue that while everyone should be subject to the draft, a smaller number wound be inducted on the basis of a lottery. Shades of the Vietnam War era, when a lottery was conducted on the basis of date of birth. This would still raise many problems. First requirement: we need the armed forced manned by people who want to serve, for whatever reason. Personal (“I want to get away from Mom for a bit and figure out what I want to do with my life”), professional (“They will give me training that will cost me a fortune in the private sector, or I get the GI Bill for college”), or patriotism (I want to serve my country), or a combination of the three. One of the greatest successes of this nation in the latter part of the 20th Century is the all- volunteer service. The Pentagon spent years and billions of dollars in a massive effort by experts to recover from the disaster of Vietnam. We came back with a fully professional, highly trained and functional military service. It is going to take years, billions of dollars and hard work from professionals to recover from the damage inflicted over the last seven years. Another suggestion of the people pushing “mandated service” is some type of civilian service. We’ve tried that with AmeriCorps, aka “ClintonCorps,” and found it’s nothing but a massive waste of money, per the OMB and GAO. Also, what do you want these 18 year olds doing? Pick up trash on the side of the road? Clean up parks? Go into “communities” and organize the vote for Democrats? Are you going to pay these people or is this indentured servitude? How much will that cost? All the while the people could be working in the private sector paying taxes. Also, if I live in a rural areaand there is nothing for these “public servants” to do, will you make me move to a city where “public service” is needed? How do you determine who needs “public service”? What are you going to do when 40 thousand people say, “Hell no, I won’t go…” Are you ready to put thousands in prison if they refuse? How much will that cost? What if they run off to Canada again? What are you going to do? But more to the fact, why should an older generation, who have mostly not served in America in her armed forces (nor otherwise gave years of their young lives volunteering), tell the upcoming generation “you must earn your citizenship in a way we were not burdened with”? Our founding documents recognize the supremacy of the individual over the collective, “…that we, as individuals, have a right to live, live freely and pursue that which motives us not because man or some government says so, but because those are God-given natural rights.” (emphasis mine) (Levin, 2009, 2-3)[1] OK, I have a bit of a radical idea. If you are an adult, what you want to do with your life is…get this…your decision. This is a free country (to a lesser degree in times past, especially after the last 7 years). You want to go to college, fine. You want to go to the service, fine. Get a job somewhere, fine. Work at McDonald’s while staying in mom’s basement -- that is your business. As long as you obey the law and support yourself, so be it. You are not provided with freebees, you get from us nothing. Freedom means you have opportunity, not guarantees. In my younger days I believed in mandatory service for the young people. But spending 23 years in my country’s uniform and knowing how the Army (and the other services) needed to clean up in the 1970s and the issues they had with draftees, I changed my view. One of the major successes of the US has been the all-volunteer service. I would rather have 5 people who want to be there than 10 who are counting down days from the moment they get there. Michael A. Thiac is a police patrol sergeant and a retired Army intelligence officer. When not patrolling the streets, he can be found on A Cop’s Watch. [1] Levin, Mark R, Liberty and Tyranny”: New York: Threshold, 2009 A proposal to include women in the military draft, supported in Congressional testimony by the heads of the Marine Corps and Army, was stripped from the National Defense Authorization Act by a close vote of the House Rules Committee this week. But agitation for universal military conscription will continue, sometimes from the left, so “so that Americans ‘feel the burden’ of ongoing military operations against Islamic militants, will not go away.” After 23 years of military service, it is clear to me that a universal draft is not essential, and indeed would be harmful to our national security. Asking everyone to serve would be a disaster. Assume you put in a draft of “every” high school graduate. Approximately 3.9 million people turn 18 each year in the United States. Say of those, 80% are “fit” for military service (i.e., meet height/weight requirements, no issue with narcotics use, no criminal issues), you are talking of induction of 3.2 million people a year. This is a World War II level of forced public service when we are not at war with major powers. If this is a two-year draft enlistment (what was used in Vietnam, as opposed to “the duration” during WWII), the armed forces will have to in-process and train them. The Army (and the other services) don’t have the facilities to in-process that many men and women right now. Can you imagine the cost of bringing online multiple basic training posts throughout the county? Currently we induct approximately 200K a year across all four branches of service, enlisted and officers. A draft could increase this by more than a factor of 15! Now follow this some more. Army Basic Training is 9-10 weeks. What do you do with the people who “fail,” i.e. are overweight, do not meet standards on physical training tests, “fail” a urinalysis test, etc. Currently we throw them out. How many people will we throw out after we spend the resources to bring them in? Please don’t tell me others, not wanting to be forced to “serve,” will not deliberately do something to be excused. What will you do then? Put them in prison? Send them home? Then you have to get them to Advanced Individual Training, a school that can be two to over twelve months, depending on the specialty. Say for good measure, combining travel and casual status, 3 months Basic, 3 months AIT. That’s half a year. Get them to a new unit, and it takes a few months to get into the swing of things. Next thing you know, Private Snuffy has less than a year left. And he’s counting down days. Because he never wanted to be there and if you give him an order and he refuses, what do you do? Put him in the stockade? Throw him out? Either you keep a disruptive man in a unit, or you throw him out, either way you weaken the outfit. One of the greatest things needed for an effective unit is cohesion. With constant turnaround caused by draftees this will only degrade us. If a draft is implemented for further social engineering, the Pentagon would have to spend a fortune (which we don’t have) to put people in who don’t want to be there, train them and send them out. Such a massive waste of resources would only weaken our nation’s defense. We need a highly trained, professional service. Some draft advocates argue that while everyone should be subject to the draft, a smaller number wound be inducted on the basis of a lottery. Shades of the Vietnam War era, when a lottery was conducted on the basis of date of birth. This would still raise many problems. First requirement: we need the armed forced manned by people who want to serve, for whatever reason. Personal (“I want to get away from Mom for a bit and figure out what I want to do with my life”), professional (“They will give me training that will cost me a fortune in the private sector, or I get the GI Bill for college”), or patriotism (I want to serve my country), or a combination of the three. One of the greatest successes of this nation in the latter part of the 20th Century is the all- volunteer service. The Pentagon spent years and billions of dollars in a massive effort by experts to recover from the disaster of Vietnam. We came back with a fully professional, highly trained and functional military service. It is going to take years, billions of dollars and hard work from professionals to recover from the damage inflicted over the last seven years. Another suggestion of the people pushing “mandated service” is some type of civilian service. We’ve tried that with AmeriCorps, aka “ClintonCorps,” and found it’s nothing but a massive waste of money, per the OMB and GAO. Also, what do you want these 18 year olds doing? Pick up trash on the side of the road? Clean up parks? Go into “communities” and organize the vote for Democrats? Are you going to pay these people or is this indentured servitude? How much will that cost? All the while the people could be working in the private sector paying taxes. Also, if I live in a rural areaand there is nothing for these “public servants” to do, will you make me move to a city where “public service” is needed? How do you determine who needs “public service”? What are you going to do when 40 thousand people say, “Hell no, I won’t go…” Are you ready to put thousands in prison if they refuse? How much will that cost? What if they run off to Canada again? What are you going to do? But more to the fact, why should an older generation, who have mostly not served in America in her armed forces (nor otherwise gave years of their young lives volunteering), tell the upcoming generation “you must earn your citizenship in a way we were not burdened with”? Our founding documents recognize the supremacy of the individual over the collective, “…that we, as individuals, have a right to live, live freely and pursue that which motives us not because man or some government says so, but because those are God-given natural rights.” (emphasis mine) (Levin, 2009, 2-3)[1] OK, I have a bit of a radical idea. If you are an adult, what you want to do with your life is…get this…your decision. This is a free country (to a lesser degree in times past, especially after the last 7 years). You want to go to college, fine. You want to go to the service, fine. Get a job somewhere, fine. Work at McDonald’s while staying in mom’s basement -- that is your business. As long as you obey the law and support yourself, so be it. You are not provided with freebees, you get from us nothing. Freedom means you have opportunity, not guarantees. In my younger days I believed in mandatory service for the young people. But spending 23 years in my country’s uniform and knowing how the Army (and the other services) needed to clean up in the 1970s and the issues they had with draftees, I changed my view. One of the major successes of the US has been the all-volunteer service. I would rather have 5 people who want to be there than 10 who are counting down days from the moment they get there. Michael A. Thiac is a police patrol sergeant and a retired Army intelligence officer. When not patrolling the streets, he can be found on A Cop’s Watch. Read more: www.americanthinker.com/a...s/2016/05/this_nation_doe s_not_need_the_draft.html#ixzz49KgBSsAg Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook
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#20. To: tpaine (#19)
You're a statist.
What this nation needs more than anything else is a revolution,followed by mass trials and public executions of the treasonous professional ruling classes. Maybe a draft with no exceptions except for the mentally and physically handicapped will help that happen,as more people get to personally see the corruption and betrayal of our government,and get training in how to deal with it at the same time?
BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That shouldn't even be a question. Nobody but veterans and land owners should be allowed to vote,and nobody that isn't a citizen should be allowed to own land. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
There,there! Don't be so afraid. Even girls go through basic training.
BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
A voluntary boot camp, (no camp, no vote) would undoubtedly help that happen, as more people would get to personally see how our government has been corrupted, and get constitutionally based training in how to deal with it. Good idea..
Good idea.. Yes,it is,but it's not my idea. It was Robert Heinlein's idea,and a damn good one. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
To get such a constitutional amendment you would have to get a significant majority of the voters to agree to disenfranchise themselves. I would assess that as a political impossibility. Were you able to overcome that impossibility, you would encounter the obvious logistical problem of an inability to offer such "boot camp" type service to 3 to 4 million new 18-year olds each year. Once the Federal government is empowered to dictate that all must complete a mandatory boot camp in order to vote, I can only imagine what an Obama federal government would find the authority to include in the mandatory boot camp training. I'll pass on giving such a massive grant of power to the Federal government.
I'm in favor of a short 'boot camp' type service, for EVERYONE, shortly after high school, as a precondition before they get the vote.. -- No camp, no vote, ---- This would require a constitutional amendment, of course.. One hundred years ago, I would have bet that the income tax amendment was a political impossibility. We cope with putting them all through 4 years of high school, - so 8 weeks of constitutional boot camp should be possible. It would be a constitutional amendment, -- one that could specify the power of ANY level of govt to " include mandatory training". Isn't it typical that nolu, a Statist, would view every proposal through a statist curtain...
Is it really voluntary when the conditions are: "Go to the boot camp or you can't vote"? I like how you handle your Paultard pals with kid gloves... while that pal is espousing the greatest amount of freedom loss... mandatory military service. That has the taste of communist China with a little shit flavor on the side. But please, carry on treating me like shit because I don't have a problem with you stopping your car for 5 seconds at a DWI check point. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much? How many times have we been told that, -- 'voting is a privilege, not a right'? You want to exercise your privilege to vote? Study up on our Constitution...
I agree. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much? -- Of course not...
I agree I hear a gigantic sucking sound going on in the distance..
That's what Carol Wells will hear one morning... and find O'l Ron blue in the lips and 5 degrees colder that he was when they went to bed. It's called the last breath. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Babble on about whatever, -- but can you admit, just for once, that you were WRONG?
I'm not wrong. I'll even agree with Pukard. Withholding the RIGHT to vote at 18 without a mandatory 2 year military service is the same as being forced. I wholeheartedly disagree with your constitutional understanding of voting. Americans have the RIGHT to vote unless that's revoked by a felony conviction. If tpaine was stopped outside a voting booth (for no other reason that it's only a privledge) and not allowed to vote, you know for a fact that the USSC would rule you've been violated. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
This nation does not need the draft, but we really need to educate our young people, before they can vote, in our Constitution, our republican form of govt, and on how to defend themselves and this country... It should be a short, voluntary course, but if not taken, -- no vote. This would require a constitutional amendment. -- Hard to pass, but if coupled with a absolute repeal of ANY effort to institute a draft/selective service, -- it might work.
It should be a short, voluntary course, but if not taken, -- no vote. Remind me not to vote for you for any public office or anyone you support for public office, Mr. Mao Tse Tung. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
How many times have we been told that, -- 'voting is a privilege, not a right'? You want to exercise your privilege to vote? Study up on our Constitution... And who gets to decree what is a 'felony conviction', -- majority rule?
I'm voting for, and support Trump. You voting for Hillary, as many suspect?
The judge that presides over the felony conviction, dip shit. "As of 2010, roughly 5.85 million Americans — or about 2.5 percent of the voting age population — were unable to vote due to a current or previous felony conviction, according to an analysis by the Sentencing Project, a group that advocates for reforms in the criminal justice reform. That amounts to roughly one in every 40 adults in America who can’t vote because of a previous conviction, a large enough population to potentially influence the outcomes of close local and national races." Now is the time you can shine like Obunghole. I'm waiting for you to wash away personal responsibility and sink us lower into moral decay by stating that laws that prohibit felons from voting is just another way to keep the black voter down. Go ahead, libtard... say it. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
As you Paultards like to say (any you wear the saying out)... even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
And who gets to decree what is a 'felony conviction, -- majority rule? Nope. Under our Constitution judges do not get to decree what are laws. -- Our legislators, guided by the document, write laws, and are NOT obligated to follow majority edicts. And you're HAPPY about that? I'm not. -- I think you should lose the vote ONLY for serious crime, and once you've served your time, get your vote back, irregardless of race. Your attitudes support him, not mine. The uninformed black voter is a large part of our electorial problem. Young blacks REALLY NEED remedial education in our Constitutional principles..
You're a statist. Would he not be more of a Maoist, with his proposed use of the sort of Marxist- Leninist communist “training and indoctrination” invented by Chairman Mao Tse- tung of China? As a Pseudo-Maoist, he appears to be advocating “reeducation camps” like the prison camps operated by the People's Republic of China during the Cultural Revolution. The theory underlying such camps was the Maoist theory of reforming counter-revolutionaries into socialist citizens by re-education through labor. The theory underlying his “reeducation camps” is: With his advocacy to preserve a "true ideology" as he knows it through “reeducation camps" … he is no statist, he is a true dyed-in-the-wool Maoist.
You mean voluntary like an Obama policy that says boys can use the girls showers and girls can use the boys showers. It's voluntary but the penalty is the loss of millions or billions of dollars. It's voluntary like raising the drinking age to 21 or losing all highway funding. Do it or else voluntary. nolu chan #26 Were you able to overcome that impossibility, you would encounter the obvious logistical problem of an inability to offer such "boot camp" type service to 3 to 4 million new 18-year olds each year. tpaine#27 You can't mandate high schools or high school teachers to provide military training. You need whole new structure to train 3-4 million new 18-year olds per year. Today, the entire military does not have that capablity or anything remotely near it. And, of course, you have no explanation whatever of how you will persuade the significant majority of Americans to disenfranchise themselves. They are more likely to vote for putting you in stocks for a public flogging shown on the Times Square jumbotron. You missed your calling with the role of Arseface. (That's not you, is it?)
I posted at (#35): --- This nation does not need the draft, but we really need to educate our young people, before they can vote, in our Constitution, our republican form of govt, and on how to defend themselves and this country... It should be a short, voluntary course, but if not taken, -- no vote. This would require a constitutional amendment. -- Hard to pass, but if coupled with a absolute repeal of ANY effort to institute a draft/selective service, -- it might work. Gatlins weird 'answer': ---
Thanks for the laugh.. No, it's not me. I'm much older and my ass hole looks more like your lips, or so gatlin tells me..
You mean voluntary like an Obama policy that says boys can use the girls showers and girls can use the boys showers. It's voluntary but the penalty is the loss of millions or billions of dollars. It's voluntary like raising the drinking age to 21 or losing all highway funding. Do it or else voluntary. nolu chan #26 Were you able to overcome that impossibility, you would encounter the obvious logistical problem of an inability to offer such "boot camp" type service to 3 to 4 million new 18-year olds each year. tpaine#27 You can't mandate high schools or high school teachers to provide military training. You need whole new structure to train 3-4 million new 18-year olds per year. Today, the entire military does not have that capablity or anything remotely near it. And, of course, you have no explanation whatever of how you will persuade the significant majority of Americans to disenfranchise themselves. They are more likely to vote for putting you in stocks for a public flogging shown on the Times Square jumbotron. You missed your calling with the role of Arseface.
I'm in favor of a short 'boot camp' type service, for EVERYONE, shortly after high school, as a precondition before they get the vote.. -- No camp, no vote, ---- This would require a constitutional amendment, of course.. One hundred years ago, I would have bet that the income tax amendment was a political impossibility. We cope with putting them all through 4 years of high school, - so 8 weeks of constitutional boot camp should be possible. I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much? It would be a constitutional amendment, -- one that could specify the power of ANY level of govt to " include mandatory training". Isn't it typical that nolu, a Statist, would view every proposal through a statist curtain...
Your whole post is bullshit... But I'll just respond to the above bullshit. Obunghole stands to lose more votes by snubbing felons since most of his fan base are criminals and welfare shitbags. You defend those same felons... and who's attitude is the same as the Kenyans? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Actually, I'd call him, Pukard and Sucky Bucky Assholist's. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Like tpaines Nazi brain. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Who cares what you are for. Your statist bullshit idea isn't going to happen.
Put words to your amendment. It would be fun to watch chan rip it to shreds.
I like that ...
Chan could even write some of the test questions for tpaine. The collaborative idiocy could be mucho entertaining. 1. Under the Constitution, which of the following statements is correct?
a) Congress writes national law b) Federal courts write national law c) The Department of Homeland Security writes national law d) All of the above Under the Constitution, Congress writes federal law. According to nolu chan, federal court OPINIONs are law.. Roscoe hopes that the department of homeland security makes law. And so do ALL his buddies.
http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46349&Disp=27#C27 It would be a constitutional amendment, -- one that could specify the power of ANY level of govt to " include mandatory training". http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46349&Disp=45#C45 It's voluntary like raising the drinking age to 21 or losing all highway funding. Do it or else voluntary. http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46349&Disp=49#C49 It would be a constitutional amendment, -- one that could specify the power of ANY level of govt to " include mandatory training". Yeah, it's voluntary mandatory training. What a stupid shitbag you are, Arseface.
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Voluntary mandatory, like a U.S. Postal Service Memo I recall that said "voluntary compliance is mandatory." Maybe Arseface drafted it.
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#21. To: tpaine (#0)
#22. To: tpaine (#3)
How about the constitutional boot camp idea, -- no camp, no vote?
#23. To: Deckard (#16)
#24. To: sneakypete (#21)
Maybe a draft with no exceptions except for the mentally and physically handicapped will help that happen,as more people get to personally see the corruption and betrayal of our government,and get training in how to deal with it at the same time?
#25. To: tpaine (#24)
A voluntary boot camp, (no camp, no vote) would undoubtedly help that happen, as more people would get to personally see how our government has been corrupted, and get constitutionally based training in how to deal with it.
#26. To: tpaine, A K A Stone (#19)
I'm in favor of a short 'boot camp' type service, for EVERYONE, shortly after high school, as a precondition before they get the vote.. -- No camp, no vote, ---- This would require a constitutional amendment, of course..
#27. To: nolu chan (#26)
To get such a constitutional amendment you would have to get a significant majority of the voters to agree to disenfranchise themselves. I would assess that as a political impossibility.
Were you able to overcome that impossibility, you would encounter the obvious logistical problem of an inability to offer such "boot camp" type service to 3 to 4 million new 18- year olds each year.
Once the Federal government is empowered to dictate that all must complete a mandatory boot camp in order to vote, I can only imagine what an Obama federal government would find the authority to include in the mandatory boot camp training. I'll pass on giving such a massive grant of power to the Federal government.
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
#28. To: tpaine (#27)
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#29. To: Deckard (#28)
#30. To: Deckard (#28)
Is it really voluntary when the conditions are: "Go to the boot camp or you can't vote"?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#20)
You're a statist.
#32. To: GrandIsland, showing his lack of erudition, yet again, Y'ALL (#29)
Deckard, I like how you handle (tpaine) with kid gloves... while (he) is espousing the greatest amount of freedom loss... mandatory military service. --- GrandIsland
#33. To: GrandIsland (#31)
#34. To: tpaine (#33)
I hear a gigantic sucking sound going on in the distance.
#35. To: GrandIsland (#34)
#36. To: tpaine (#35)
#37. To: All (#35)
#38. To: tpaine (#37)
This nation does not need the draft, but we really need to educate our young people, before they can vote, in our Constitution, our republican form of govt, and on how to defend themselves and this country...
#39. To: GrandIsland, convicted felons cannot vote? --- y'all (#36)
I wholeheartedly disagree with your constitutional understanding of voting. Americans have the RIGHT to vote unless that's revoked by a felony conviction.
#40. To: GrandIsland (#38)
(Edited)
Remind me not to vote for you for any public office or anyone you support for public office,
#41. To: tpaine (#39)
(Edited)
And who gets to decree what is a 'felony conviction', -- majority rule?
#42. To: tpaine (#40)
I'm voting for, and support Trump.
#43. To: GrandIsland (#41)
I wholeheartedly disagree with your constitutional understanding of voting. Americans have the RIGHT to vote unless that's revoked by a felony conviction.
The judge that presides over the felony conviction,
"As of 2010, roughly 5.85 million Americans — or about 2.5 percent of the voting age population — were unable to vote due to a current or previous felony conviction, according to an analysis by the Sentencing Project, a group that advocates for reforms in the criminal justice reform. That amounts to roughly one in every 40 adults in America who can’t vote because of a previous conviction, a large enough population to potentially influence the outcomes of close local and national races."
Now is the time you can shine like Obunghole.
On waiting for you to wash away personal responsibility and sink is lower into moral decay by stating that laws that prohibit felons from voting is just another way to keep the black voter down. Go ahead, .. say it…
#44. To: A K A Stone, tpaine, GrandIsland (#20)
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I'm in favor of a short 'boot camp' type service, for EVERYONE,
This nation … really need[s] to educate our young people [later changed to EVERYONE], before they can vote, in our Constitution, our republican form of govt, and on how to defend themselves and this country... It should be a short, voluntary course, but if not taken, -- no vote.
#45. To: tpaine (#27)
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
To get such a constitutional amendment you would have to get a significant majority of the voters to agree to disenfranchise themselves. I would assess that as a political impossibility.
We cope with putting them all through 4 years of high school, - so 8 weeks of constitutional boot camp should be possible.
#46. To: Gatlin, Y'ALL (#44)
Would he not be more of a Maoist, with his proposed use of the sort of Marxist- Leninist communist “training and indoctrination” invented by Chairman Mao Tse- tung of China? -- - As a Pseudo-Maoist, he appears to be advocating “reeducation camps” like the prison camps operated by the People's Republic of China during the Cultural Revolution. The theory underlying such camps was the Maoist theory of reforming counter- revolutionaries into socialist citizens by re-education through labor. --- With his advocacy to preserve a "true ideology" as he knows it through “reeducation camps" … he is no statist, he is a true dyed-in-the-wool Maoist.
I have no counter to such gibberish. -- Sorry bout that.
#47. To: nolu chan, gatlin, y'all (#45)
You missed your calling with the role of Arseface. (That's not you, is it?)
#48. To: tpaine (#47)
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
To get such a constitutional amendment you would have to get a significant majority of the voters to agree to disenfranchise themselves. I would assess that as a political impossibility.
We cope with putting them all through 4 years of high school, - so 8 weeks of constitutional boot camp should be possible.
#49. To: nolu chan (#48)
To get such a constitutional amendment you would have to get a significant majority of the voters to agree to disenfranchise themselves. I would assess that as a political impossibility.
Were you able to overcome that impossibility, you would encounter the obvious logistical problem of an inability to offer such "boot camp" type service to 3 to 4 million new 18- year olds each year.
Once the Federal government is empowered to dictate that all must complete a mandatory boot camp in order to vote, I can only imagine what an Obama federal government would find the authority to include in the mandatory boot camp training. I'll pass on giving such a massive grant of power to the Federal government.
#50. To: tpaine (#43)
Your attitude supports him not mine.
#51. To: Gatlin (#44)
Would he not be more of a Maoist, with his proposed use of the sort of Marxist- Leninist communist “training and indoctrination
#52. To: nolu chan (#48)
Voluntary
#53. To: tpaine (#49)
#54. To: tpaine (#49)
#55. To: GrandIsland (#51)
Actually, I'd call him, Pukard and Sucky Bucky Assholist's.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Put words to your amendment. It would be fun to watch chan rip it to shreds.
a) Congress writes national law
b) Federal courts write national law
c) The Department of Homeland Security writes national law
d) All of the above
#57. To: Roscoe, Y'ALL (#56)
Under the Constitution, which of the following statements is correct?
#58. To: tpaine (#49)
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
You mean voluntary like an Obama policy that says boys can use the girls showers and girls can use the boys showers. It's voluntary but the penalty is the loss of millions or billions of dollars.
I indicated above we could make it voluntary. Read much?
#59. To: tpaine, Roscoe, Arseface (#57)
According to nolu chan, federal court OPINIONs are law..
U.S. Case Law
#60. To: GrandIsland (#52)
Like tpaines Nazi brain.
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