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Title: Ted Cruz Wins Wisconsin Republican Primary
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URL Source: http://5newsonline.com/2016/04/05/t ... -wisconsin-republican-primary/
Published: Apr 5, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-04-05 22:00:54 by ConservingFreedom
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(CBS NEWS) — According to the CBS News Wisconsin Republican primary exit poll: Cruz is running well across many groups of Wisconsin primary voters. He is beating Trump among men and women by about 10 percent, and he is ahead of Trump in all age groups. Trump did less well in Wisconsin among groups of voters who have been his core supporters in previous primaries. Cruz is winning among those with college degrees and among those without. They are about even among those with no more than a high school degree. Cruz does better among more affluent voters but still runs almost even with Trump among those with incomes under $50,000. Cruz runs well among those who said they are “very conservative” as he has in previous primaries, but he also edges out Trump among those who said they are “somewhat conservative.” Trump has generally beat Cruz among those who say they are somewhat conservative. Trump does lead Cruz among political moderates. As many as 34 percent of Republican primary voters say that bringing needed change is the candidate quality that most mattered in their vote decision; Cruz and Trump run neck and neck among these voters. This is better than Cruz has done in previous primaries. Cruz ran well ahead of Trump among voters who said that they want a candidate who shares their values and among those who wanted a candidate who can win in November. Sixty-five percent of Republican primary voters said they were very worried about the direction of the nation’s economy, and Cruz beat Trump among these voters. Seventy percent support a temporary ban on Muslims who are not U.S. citizens entering the country, and Cruz and Trump are very close among this group. Trump does beat Cruz among those who want to deport illegal immigrants who are not U.S. citizens, but only about one in three Republican primary voters support this position. Cruz topped Trump easily among the majority of primary voters who want to offer illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status. Trump did very well among the half of Republican primary voters who want the next president to be from outside the political establishment, but he only got 7 percent of the vote of those who prefer the next president to have political experience. The Republican exit poll asked voters, “If no one wins a majority of the delegates before the convention, should the party nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries or the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee?” More than half, 56 percent, said the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes. Another 42 percent said it should be the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee. However, this varied widely between Trump and Cruz voters. As many as 83 percent of Trump voters said the nominee should be the candidate who won the most votes in the primaries. Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes.
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#48. To: no gnu taxes (#46)
Nothing in the rules suggests or states that anything less than the prescribed 1237 delegates will win the nomination. Nothing. The nominee is the first guy to get to 1237, no matter what else happens. If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy.
The scales have fallen from your eyes, eh? A regular epiphany. It's so surprising, given how secretive I have been about opposing Trump. When did I give myself away? Was it when Trump announced his candidacy and I promptly posted NRO's article, Witless Ape Rides Escalator? In retrospect, I may have tipped my hand with that one.
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
No. If you weren't such an r'tard, you'd realize I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts on a chat forum with ~20 regular posters and ~20 irregular posters and (probably) even fewer lurkers. It used to be that at TOS, you might lurk around over at LP to pick up good stories or to have a wider variety of stories than RimJob would allow on TOS. I don't think LF has any comparable number of lurkers coming here from TOS. And only a handful of posters are registered and posting on both forums. LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
I still expect people to tell the truth.
You expect too much of him.
You two crack me up most when you're trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy. How's that for truthfulness?
Emotional dishonest posturing.
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment. The problem that you guys on the right are going to run into no matter what is the fact that the Left unites the poor and the minorities, and poor people blame YOUR policies, not the Democrats', for having destroyed their jobs, while Hispanics and blacks blame YOU for discrimination against them. So let's be generous and accept your argument that Trump, with all of his crossover voters, is too unpopular to win. That means, in a nutshell, that the Democrats will win. So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump.
And one Catholic guardian angel, don't forget.
If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy. Actually, that's not true at all. I was for Cruz long before Trump ever announced his candidacy. I have become a bit disgusted with Cruz's Clinton-like campaign the last few weeks, though. I'm just saying that Trump has a large and very loyal following who won't be buffaloed aside, and there's nothing the RNC can do to stop it. They better come up with some way to appease Trump if his plurality of delegates going in is ignored. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody. Can an avowed socialist win? Can anyone assure that Hillary will survive and win after the FBI report is made? The Dem party is almost as fractured as the Rep party. This is the wackiest election season I have ever seen.
Demographics. Kasich was liked but few would waste a vote on a walking dead campaign. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_kasich_vs_clinton-5846.html
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/3 -- -- 50.0 38.5 Kasich +11.5
Emerson 3/30 - 4/3 1198 LV 2.8 52 38 Kasich +14
Marquette 3/24 - 3/28 1405 RV 3.3 48 39 Kasich +9
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yep. Yet all we hear is "Not Trump. Not Trump". Then who? Cruz? If the people want Cruz, then let the people select Cruz. So far they haven't. If they haven't by now, why would they later? And the reasons given for not liking Trump are flat-out ludicrous. Jonah Goldberg (NRO) had a recent article in USA Today where he blasted Trump because Trump said he wants America to win again. Because, you see, winning is a bad thing if you win by "overturning long-held notions of ideological orthodoxy". He then cites Barry Goldwater as a hero, because despite the fact he lost in a landslide he stood for a principle. Idiot.
No, I've never noticed that to be true. Kasich is the least unpopular. Trump is still the most popular.
Can an avowed socialist win? Yes. I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible. Let's look at some facts. 1: The DNC has played at being socialist/communist ever since the 1930's,but in reality it was a promise of socialism/communism for the poor,not them. Other than King Franklin and his wife/cousin,they never meant it. 2: A large part,maybe even the majority by now,of the Dim base are true-believer socialists/communists that vote Dim because they lust after all the "free stuff" they think they can get without having to work for it. 3: Bubbette! may be the most unpopular Dim candidate with Dims in the history of the party. Her base is the whacked out whymen bunch,and the welfare blacks. Everybody else other than people who earn their living from the Dim Party pretty much hates and mistrusts her and are only going to vote on her because she has the "right" letter from the alphabet behind her name. 4:Along comes a actual lifelong socialist to run against her that is a true-believer in socialism,and who means every damnfool thing he says. 5: There are tens of millions of damnfool Dims registered to vote. Yeah,it could happen,and truth to tell,America would be better off with Bernie in the WH than with Bubbette! BECAUSE he is sincere and the truth is none of the power people in the background want socialism. Bernie might get the nomination and he might even get the WH,but he is NOT going to get the behind the scenes cooperation that Bubbette! will get because he most likely won't be willing to play the game where the WH and the bill sponsors skim off most of the money. In other words,about all Bernie can accomplish in the WH is to expose the fraud and hypocrisy that is what defines the Dim Party. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The funny thing is that a Democrat victory by Bernie Sanders would actually be closer to what Trump has offered in key foreign policy areas and regarding universal health insurance than anything any other Republican offers. If it's Bernie versus Cruz, or Jeb or Rubio or Ryan - or any other Republican but Trump - a very large number of Trump supporters (including me) will go vote for Sanders for just that reason. It is TRUMP that the new throng of Trump supporters are voting for, not the Republican Party. Take Trump and his voters out of the party, and the Republicans are a minoritarian, aging white rump of cranks, gun nuts, bitter-ender Reaganites, Cold Warriors, Israel Firsters and snake-handling nuts. The Republicans did not win Congress. Obama lost Congress. But the Republicans didn't stop Obama, and the country is doing poorly mainly for the folks voting for Trump. THOSE folks are NOT going to vote Republican except for Trump. Oust Trump, and see Sanders win on the Democrat side, and you'll have the implementation of full-on democratic socialism, European style, which will be pretty popular, because it's a damn sight better for the bottom 47% than what we've got now. The Republicans are used to falling back on delaying tactics, but that is because they have not fully comprehended that the only reason they were able to do that under Carter and Clinton and Obama is because of Republican control of the Supreme Court. If a Democrat wins, the DEMOCRATS will control the Supreme Court for the first time since Nixon, and that means a very swift rubber stamp of Democrat ideology and structure. The limits of Executive Orders is untested. A Democrat Supreme Court will give a Democrat President practically unlimited discretion. Republicans won't be able to delay things as they have, because the President will simply order the executive departments to take action, and the Supreme Court will uphold the President. Then Congress will have one expedient: government shutdown - and government shutdown destroys the Republicans every time they try it, ultimately because rich Republican donors are the primary beneficiaries of government contract payments.
I was only trying to say that Dems are not a lock and Reps are not certain toast in Nov. Bernie could pick up Elizabeth Warren for VP and make a formidable far left liberal ticket. As do you, I believe Bernie is sincere even if I personally disagree with much of what he says. If the Dems nominate Hillary, lots of Bernie supporters will stay home in November. If the Reps nominate anyone but Trump or Cruz, they may generate not only a stay home movement, but a third party revolt. In the meantime, the GOPe is effecting the destruction of Trump and Cruz as winning candidates in the general. The main mission of the GOPe is to stop Trump and Cruz. If they can insert a GOPe stooge, so much the better, but that is not essential. At this point, it appears both parties will put up severely damaged candidates.
Yes. Trump is not nationally a Republican or Democrat. He's a New York Republican which is what many might consider akin to a Democrat. He is not really locked to any party, but to solving problems. If Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
Well, I think that too. While Hillary caters to dumbass socialists, Bernie really is a dumbass socialist. Bernie comes across as likeable and sincere, even if he is an idiot. Hillary comes across as a phony, snarling bitch except to her most devoted base. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
YIKES! I hadn't even thought about that. The DNC HATES the idea of Sanders getting the Dim nomination because he isn't even a Dim. What does it say about them when a non-Dim wins the Dim nomination? The truth is that Bernie and Warren could run as an alternative to the Dim Ticket,and most likely beat Bubbette! I might even vote for that ticket if the other only options are Bubbette! or Trump,the Chump. After all,a ticket of independent socialists in the WH isn't going to get ANY legislation they propose or support passed in either branch of Congress regardless of who controls them,so the worse case scenario is nothing gets better while the good news is nothing gets worse. These days that can be considered to be a victory for America. It might even result in political revolutions within both branches of the ruling party,and the old guard may get tossed out of power at the same time. I have to admit I am in love with the idea of seeing the Dim Party getting hung on it's own socialist petard. The only thing that could be better would be to see the alleged Republican Party also getting hung on their own conservative petard come next election,with the old guard fascists getting tossed out of government and replaced by actual conservatives. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Which is what I have been saying was a part of the plan from the beginning. He gets to spend the rest of his life bragging about how he "could have been the President of the US if I had wanted,but I decided the job was beneath me,so I dropped out of the race.",and Bubbette! sails to the WH with virtually no opposition other than Sanders. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I disagree. They are her base BECAUSE she is a phony snarling bitch. She represents them in every respect. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I today's America? Hell yes!! "Can anyone assure that Hillary will survive and win after the FBI report is made?" Indictment? Are you kidding? "The Dem party is almost as fractured as the Rep party. This is the wackiest election season I have ever seen." The DRat tribe will always rally together. Hell, they even supported the likes of Dukakis, Humphrey, and McGovern. Even JFK had a "fractured" party until he selected LBJ as his running mate. DRats are very tribal animals. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I said nothing of an indictment. The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
Do recall that the Slickster committed perjury as a sitting POTUS and the DRat faithful re-elected him anyhow? DRats do not GAS how corrupt or immoral their candidate is. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Uh,huh. You just keep thinking that. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Who is the boss of the FBI? Who controls the entire alleged Justice Department? Who hires and fires the Feeb director? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
FBI DIrector's Term is 10 Years. He cannot be fired by the President, only removed by Congress. The current FBI Director is a Bush appointee.
Yes. And if Trump is screwed and has the nomination STOLEN from him by the GOP, millions of Trump voters will take their revenge on the GOP by voting Democrat.
They may also generate a revenge vote for the Democrats.
It doesn't matter.His boss is the head of the alleged Justice Department,and he can be fired by the president. If ordered to do something,he either does it or resigns. BTW,Boy Jorge was no better than Bathhouse Barry. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Good to hear you say that Bubbette! is the Trumpettes fall back position if he doesn't get elected. How about if he just steps down and says he was cheated and that's why he quit? Do you worship T-Ball players enough to hold your breath,stamp your little feets,and vote for Bubbette! causen Donnie didn't get his way? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If ordered to do something,he either does it or resigns. He could refuse to do it on the basis of law, and then refuse to resign also, and go public with what he was ordered to do. Then, if the order was specifically political, what happened would be clear - and clearly obstruction of justice. Then the AG could attempt to fire him, but he could resist removal, and the President could fire him, but he could also resist removal. And then there would be an interesting set of legal maneuvers, with a Supreme Court divided and unable to rule. Congress would leap to the fore with an impeachment, further complicating the situation. By simply being stubborn and refusing to obey orders that he could interpret as obstructions of justice, the FBI director, in the current environment, could touch off a constitutional crisis that would destroy Obama's legacy and that would set all politics on fire.
For my part, I hate Republicans. If they screw Trump out of the nomination, it is time for the Republican Party to be destroyed through prosecution and punitive taxation, regulation and aggressive investigation. And there's nobody better than Hillary to do that. So yeah, if the GOP screws Trump, I'll consider voting a straight Democrat ticket for the first time in my life. You want a Civil War? Bring it.
Then, if the order was specifically political, what happened would be clear - and clearly obstruction of justice. Then the AG could attempt to fire him, but he could resist removal, and the President could fire him, but he could also resist removal. And then there would be an interesting set of legal maneuvers, with a Supreme Court divided and unable to rule. Congress would leap to the fore with an impeachment, further complicating the situation. Yeah. Coulda,shoulda,woulda. You shoulda started that off with "Once upon a time....",like all good fairy tales. You DO know FBI directors are political creatures that were appointed by politicians,right? Do you really think there is ANY chance that ANY politician would ever appoint one that won't follow orders? Especially after all the crap that Janet Edgar Hoover (sucks like a Hoover!) got away with by using his secret files? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
And there's nobody better than Hillary to do that. Ok,so you care more about vengeance than you do America. Personally,I can't understand why most people don't hate both the alleged Republicans and the Dims. The only thing really wrong with this country is the Republicans and their brothers,the Dims. A pox on both houses,and may the cure rise quickly from the ashes. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention.
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#49. To: Roscoe (#43)
"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne"
#50. To: misterwhite (#42)
(Edited)
Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.
#51. To: TooConservative (#45)
"You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF."
#52. To: misterwhite (#51)
You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#53. To: misterwhite, redleghunter, ConservingFreedom, sneakypete (#51)
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#54. To: TooConservative (#53)
"I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts"
#55. To: misterwhite (#54)
I still expect people to tell the truth.
#56. To: misterwhite, Roscoe (#54)
misterwhite: "I still expect people to tell the truth."
Roscoe: "You expect too much of him."
#57. To: TooConservative (#56)
How's that for truthfulness?
#58. To: RoscoeooConservative (#56)
"trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy ..."
#59. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away.
#60. To: TooConservative (#53)
LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
#61. To: TooConservative (#48)
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#62. To: SOSO (#23)
But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov.
#63. To: TooConservative (#29)
I don't see where you get that at all.
Wisconsin: Kasich vs. Clinton
#64. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment.
#65. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
"So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump."
#66. To: sneakypete (#64)
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default?
#67. To: nolu chan (#62)
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody.
#68. To: misterwhite (#65)
#69. To: sneakypete (#67)
I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible.
#70. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#68)
It is TRUMP that the new throng of Trump supporters are voting for, not the Republican Party.
#71. To: nolu chan (#69)
As do you, I believe Bernie is sincere even if I personally disagree with much of what he says.
#72. To: nolu chan (#69)
Bernie could pick up Elizabeth Warren for VP and make a formidable far left liberal ticket.
#73. To: nolu chan (#70)
If Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#71)
Hillary comes across as a phony, snarling bitch except to her most devoted base.
#75. To: nolu chan (#62)
Can an avowed socialist win?
#76. To: SOSO (#75)
Indictment? Are you kidding?
#77. To: nolu chan (#76)
The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
#78. To: Vicomte13 (#66)
Trump is still the most popular.
#79. To: nolu chan (#76)
The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
#80. To: sneakypete (#79)
#81. To: nolu chan (#70)
f Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
#82. To: nolu chan (#69)
If the Reps nominate anyone but Trump or Cruz, they may generate not only a stay home movement, but a third party revolt.
#83. To: Vicomte13 (#80)
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FBI DIrector's Term is 10 Years. He cannot be fired by the President, only removed by Congress. The current FBI Director is a Bush appointee.
#84. To: Vicomte13 (#81)
Yes. And if Trump is screwed and has the nomination STOLEN from him by the GOP, millions of Trump voters will take their revenge on the GOP by voting Democrat.
#85. To: sneakypete (#83)
It doesn't matter.His boss is the head of the alleged Justice Department,and he can be fired by the president.
#86. To: sneakypete (#84)
#87. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
He could refuse to do it on the basis of law, and then refuse to resign also, and go public with what he was ordered to do.
#88. To: Vicomte13 (#86)
For my part, I hate Republicans. If they screw Trump out of the nomination, it is time for the Republican Party to be destroyed through prosecution and punitive taxation, regulation and aggressive investigation.
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