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Title: Ted Cruz Wins Wisconsin Republican Primary
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URL Source: http://5newsonline.com/2016/04/05/t ... -wisconsin-republican-primary/
Published: Apr 5, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-04-05 22:00:54 by ConservingFreedom
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(CBS NEWS) — According to the CBS News Wisconsin Republican primary exit poll: Cruz is running well across many groups of Wisconsin primary voters. He is beating Trump among men and women by about 10 percent, and he is ahead of Trump in all age groups. Trump did less well in Wisconsin among groups of voters who have been his core supporters in previous primaries. Cruz is winning among those with college degrees and among those without. They are about even among those with no more than a high school degree. Cruz does better among more affluent voters but still runs almost even with Trump among those with incomes under $50,000. Cruz runs well among those who said they are “very conservative” as he has in previous primaries, but he also edges out Trump among those who said they are “somewhat conservative.” Trump has generally beat Cruz among those who say they are somewhat conservative. Trump does lead Cruz among political moderates. As many as 34 percent of Republican primary voters say that bringing needed change is the candidate quality that most mattered in their vote decision; Cruz and Trump run neck and neck among these voters. This is better than Cruz has done in previous primaries. Cruz ran well ahead of Trump among voters who said that they want a candidate who shares their values and among those who wanted a candidate who can win in November. Sixty-five percent of Republican primary voters said they were very worried about the direction of the nation’s economy, and Cruz beat Trump among these voters. Seventy percent support a temporary ban on Muslims who are not U.S. citizens entering the country, and Cruz and Trump are very close among this group. Trump does beat Cruz among those who want to deport illegal immigrants who are not U.S. citizens, but only about one in three Republican primary voters support this position. Cruz topped Trump easily among the majority of primary voters who want to offer illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status. Trump did very well among the half of Republican primary voters who want the next president to be from outside the political establishment, but he only got 7 percent of the vote of those who prefer the next president to have political experience. The Republican exit poll asked voters, “If no one wins a majority of the delegates before the convention, should the party nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries or the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee?” More than half, 56 percent, said the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes. Another 42 percent said it should be the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee. However, this varied widely between Trump and Cruz voters. As many as 83 percent of Trump voters said the nominee should be the candidate who won the most votes in the primaries. Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes.
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#29. To: nolu chan (#22)
I don't see where you get that at all. It was always Trump who was expected to do well in WI and who had led in a number of polls until a few weeks ago. Since you've been doing delegate math, you might check out my new thread on delegate counts. It does have some state-by-state details on the mechanics of awarding GOP delegates.
Showboating for Adelson, to little effect. Cruz unintentionally did raise the profile for this meeting which would have gone almost unknown in American media if not for Cruz. Not that that excuses Cruz's grandstanding. Even so, I can think of dozens of things about Trump that I dislike as much or more than Cruz's behavior at that event.
Pass the hookah, dude. BTW, Trump is not a witch.
I'll say it again. If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
Didn't I post the YouTube clip of that? Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again? How many times will you post that lie?
And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination? You're not scaring anyone, any more than Roger Stone is with his threats about rioting ("Days of Rage") and publishing the hotel room numbers of anti-Trump delegates (some of whom are bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot but who could dump him on the second or third ballot to defect to Cruz). You really think these threats help your candidate? Or do they make Trump and his supporters more hated by everyone else? Imagine for a moment it was Cruz and his supporters threatening to riot or to bully delegates. Would you want to cave to threats from them? I don't think so. It's a question of group dynamics. Making threats rarely prevails in relatively homogeneous groups like registered GOP voters.
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away. There have been some elements at Trump's rallies that almost seem like plants for the Dems or perhaps agitators trying to make Trump look bad. The Bernie crowd would be likely suspects in WI.
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
Sure, I'm the problem. Not Trump's many ignorant remarks and how he's wasted his time and failed to build up an actual winning campaign organization nationwide (an integral part of every nomination contest in both parties). Blame me. I alone, here at little LF, have caused this terrible grief to poor maligned Donald.
You overestimate yourself.
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter? "the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter" Think they're offended now? Wait until President Trump removes that 45% protective tariff on foreign motorcycles.
Both.
Big trouble from who? Racist agitators? So you're saying we shouldn't vote for Trump because blacks may riot?
He can't claim ignorance. I posted the video and he still spouts his crap. Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.
"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne
Why are you quoting Roger Stone? He has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, nor does the Trump campaign have anything to do with him.
Pick one. Like I care. Or anyone else cares about a few posts by anyone here at LF. You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF.
If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright. Trump WILL go into the convention with a plurality of delegates. I don't know if he can get to 1237. Trump is going to have a good week or two coming up. That probably won't continue for Western States after that. The big prize is California, and I have no clue as to how that will go. But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention. If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention. he is rather pissed off at his treatment from the GOP elites anyway. And this won't be like the Ron Paul nuts demanding they be heard while they are laughed off the premises. If the RNC can't get Trump to play ball, he will essentially destroy the convention. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Come off it. Stone is Trump's longest political adviser and buddy, going back decades. Stone admits that he is still in contact with Trump and some elements of his staff on a regular basis. And he seems to be serving as an unofficial spokesman, something he couldn't do without Trump's blessing.
Nothing in the rules suggests or states that anything less than the prescribed 1237 delegates will win the nomination. Nothing. The nominee is the first guy to get to 1237, no matter what else happens. If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy.
The scales have fallen from your eyes, eh? A regular epiphany. It's so surprising, given how secretive I have been about opposing Trump. When did I give myself away? Was it when Trump announced his candidacy and I promptly posted NRO's article, Witless Ape Rides Escalator? In retrospect, I may have tipped my hand with that one.
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
No. If you weren't such an r'tard, you'd realize I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts on a chat forum with ~20 regular posters and ~20 irregular posters and (probably) even fewer lurkers. It used to be that at TOS, you might lurk around over at LP to pick up good stories or to have a wider variety of stories than RimJob would allow on TOS. I don't think LF has any comparable number of lurkers coming here from TOS. And only a handful of posters are registered and posting on both forums. LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
I still expect people to tell the truth.
You expect too much of him.
You two crack me up most when you're trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy. How's that for truthfulness?
Emotional dishonest posturing.
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment. The problem that you guys on the right are going to run into no matter what is the fact that the Left unites the poor and the minorities, and poor people blame YOUR policies, not the Democrats', for having destroyed their jobs, while Hispanics and blacks blame YOU for discrimination against them. So let's be generous and accept your argument that Trump, with all of his crossover voters, is too unpopular to win. That means, in a nutshell, that the Democrats will win. So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump.
And one Catholic guardian angel, don't forget.
If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy. Actually, that's not true at all. I was for Cruz long before Trump ever announced his candidacy. I have become a bit disgusted with Cruz's Clinton-like campaign the last few weeks, though. I'm just saying that Trump has a large and very loyal following who won't be buffaloed aside, and there's nothing the RNC can do to stop it. They better come up with some way to appease Trump if his plurality of delegates going in is ignored. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody. Can an avowed socialist win? Can anyone assure that Hillary will survive and win after the FBI report is made? The Dem party is almost as fractured as the Rep party. This is the wackiest election season I have ever seen.
Demographics. Kasich was liked but few would waste a vote on a walking dead campaign. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_kasich_vs_clinton-5846.html
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/3 -- -- 50.0 38.5 Kasich +11.5
Emerson 3/30 - 4/3 1198 LV 2.8 52 38 Kasich +14
Marquette 3/24 - 3/28 1405 RV 3.3 48 39 Kasich +9
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yep. Yet all we hear is "Not Trump. Not Trump". Then who? Cruz? If the people want Cruz, then let the people select Cruz. So far they haven't. If they haven't by now, why would they later? And the reasons given for not liking Trump are flat-out ludicrous. Jonah Goldberg (NRO) had a recent article in USA Today where he blasted Trump because Trump said he wants America to win again. Because, you see, winning is a bad thing if you win by "overturning long-held notions of ideological orthodoxy". He then cites Barry Goldwater as a hero, because despite the fact he lost in a landslide he stood for a principle. Idiot.
No, I've never noticed that to be true. Kasich is the least unpopular. Trump is still the most popular.
Can an avowed socialist win? Yes. I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible. Let's look at some facts. 1: The DNC has played at being socialist/communist ever since the 1930's,but in reality it was a promise of socialism/communism for the poor,not them. Other than King Franklin and his wife/cousin,they never meant it. 2: A large part,maybe even the majority by now,of the Dim base are true-believer socialists/communists that vote Dim because they lust after all the "free stuff" they think they can get without having to work for it. 3: Bubbette! may be the most unpopular Dim candidate with Dims in the history of the party. Her base is the whacked out whymen bunch,and the welfare blacks. Everybody else other than people who earn their living from the Dim Party pretty much hates and mistrusts her and are only going to vote on her because she has the "right" letter from the alphabet behind her name. 4:Along comes a actual lifelong socialist to run against her that is a true-believer in socialism,and who means every damnfool thing he says. 5: There are tens of millions of damnfool Dims registered to vote. Yeah,it could happen,and truth to tell,America would be better off with Bernie in the WH than with Bubbette! BECAUSE he is sincere and the truth is none of the power people in the background want socialism. Bernie might get the nomination and he might even get the WH,but he is NOT going to get the behind the scenes cooperation that Bubbette! will get because he most likely won't be willing to play the game where the WH and the bill sponsors skim off most of the money. In other words,about all Bernie can accomplish in the WH is to expose the fraud and hypocrisy that is what defines the Dim Party. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The funny thing is that a Democrat victory by Bernie Sanders would actually be closer to what Trump has offered in key foreign policy areas and regarding universal health insurance than anything any other Republican offers. If it's Bernie versus Cruz, or Jeb or Rubio or Ryan - or any other Republican but Trump - a very large number of Trump supporters (including me) will go vote for Sanders for just that reason. It is TRUMP that the new throng of Trump supporters are voting for, not the Republican Party. Take Trump and his voters out of the party, and the Republicans are a minoritarian, aging white rump of cranks, gun nuts, bitter-ender Reaganites, Cold Warriors, Israel Firsters and snake-handling nuts. The Republicans did not win Congress. Obama lost Congress. But the Republicans didn't stop Obama, and the country is doing poorly mainly for the folks voting for Trump. THOSE folks are NOT going to vote Republican except for Trump. Oust Trump, and see Sanders win on the Democrat side, and you'll have the implementation of full-on democratic socialism, European style, which will be pretty popular, because it's a damn sight better for the bottom 47% than what we've got now. The Republicans are used to falling back on delaying tactics, but that is because they have not fully comprehended that the only reason they were able to do that under Carter and Clinton and Obama is because of Republican control of the Supreme Court. If a Democrat wins, the DEMOCRATS will control the Supreme Court for the first time since Nixon, and that means a very swift rubber stamp of Democrat ideology and structure. The limits of Executive Orders is untested. A Democrat Supreme Court will give a Democrat President practically unlimited discretion. Republicans won't be able to delay things as they have, because the President will simply order the executive departments to take action, and the Supreme Court will uphold the President. Then Congress will have one expedient: government shutdown - and government shutdown destroys the Republicans every time they try it, ultimately because rich Republican donors are the primary beneficiaries of government contract payments.
I was only trying to say that Dems are not a lock and Reps are not certain toast in Nov. Bernie could pick up Elizabeth Warren for VP and make a formidable far left liberal ticket. As do you, I believe Bernie is sincere even if I personally disagree with much of what he says. If the Dems nominate Hillary, lots of Bernie supporters will stay home in November. If the Reps nominate anyone but Trump or Cruz, they may generate not only a stay home movement, but a third party revolt. In the meantime, the GOPe is effecting the destruction of Trump and Cruz as winning candidates in the general. The main mission of the GOPe is to stop Trump and Cruz. If they can insert a GOPe stooge, so much the better, but that is not essential. At this point, it appears both parties will put up severely damaged candidates.
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#30. To: Pericles (#17)
How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians?
#31. To: SOSO (#18)
It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates.
#32. To: TooConservative (#10)
"Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound."
#33. To: TooConservative (#7)
"so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville)."
#34. To: misterwhite (#32)
If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump 
“We urge you to visit their
hotel and find them.”
#35. To: misterwhite (#33)
Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again?
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter.
#37. To: Roscoe (#36)
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
Sure, I'm the problem.
#39. To: TooConservative (#35)
"Doesn't matter."
#40. To: misterwhite (#39)
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
#41. To: TooConservative (#34)
"And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?"
#42. To: Roscoe (#40)
#43. To: TooConservative (#34)
Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump
#44. To: TooConservative (#34)
#45. To: misterwhite (#39)
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
#46. To: TooConservative (#13)
And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.
#47. To: misterwhite (#44)
Why are you quoting Roger Stone? He has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, nor does the Trump campaign have anything to do with him.
#48. To: no gnu taxes (#46)
But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention.
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#49. To: Roscoe (#43)
"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne"
#50. To: misterwhite (#42)
(Edited)
Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.
#51. To: TooConservative (#45)
"You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF."
#52. To: misterwhite (#51)
You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#53. To: misterwhite, redleghunter, ConservingFreedom, sneakypete (#51)
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#54. To: TooConservative (#53)
"I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts"
#55. To: misterwhite (#54)
I still expect people to tell the truth.
#56. To: misterwhite, Roscoe (#54)
misterwhite: "I still expect people to tell the truth."
Roscoe: "You expect too much of him."
#57. To: TooConservative (#56)
How's that for truthfulness?
#58. To: RoscoeooConservative (#56)
"trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy ..."
#59. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away.
#60. To: TooConservative (#53)
LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
#61. To: TooConservative (#48)
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#62. To: SOSO (#23)
But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov.
#63. To: TooConservative (#29)
I don't see where you get that at all.
Wisconsin: Kasich vs. Clinton
#64. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment.
#65. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
"So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump."
#66. To: sneakypete (#64)
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default?
#67. To: nolu chan (#62)
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody.
#68. To: misterwhite (#65)
#69. To: sneakypete (#67)
I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible.
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