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Title: Trump: If abortion is banned, there has to be some form of punishment for women who do it
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HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/ ... unishment-for-women-who-do-it/
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2016-03-30 17:16:58 by Tooconservative
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Views: 41117
Comments: 274
Charles Cooke calls this an ideological Turing test, i.e. a question whose answer reveals how plausible it is that Trump really is who he claims to be. The standard answer from nearly all serious pro-lifers is that it’s the abortionist, not his patient, who should be sanctioned if and when abortion is banned. The March of Life explains why: Ted Cruz, when he’s inevitably asked about this now, will give some variation of that same response. Trump, whom his conservative critics suspect of being an opportunist on abortion rather than committed to the cause, went a different route. You can almost see the wheels turning in his head here: He knows, as a political matter, that he can’t let Cruz get to his right on abortion. Republicans will let him slide on a lot — a lot — but if he gives them reason to think he’s BSing them on an issue at the very core of social conservatism, it could give Cruz the break he needs to take off. And so, when he gets the question from Matthews about what to do with women who insist on having abortions in a hypothetical future where the practice is banned, he goes with his gut — and his gut is “stay to the right.” So … sure, let’s punish women for abortion. This is the message the party’s carrying into the general election against the first woman major-party nominee, huh? By a guy who’s already having major problems polling among women, no less. It’s easy to understand how an amateur would stumble into this answer, writes Matt Lewis, but why would you want to nominate an amateur? Yet these political compromises are necessary in order to cobble together a palatable and defensible (if admittedly inconsistent) public policy position that might someday actually be able to win the argument in mainstream America. Part of the goal is to remove the ability for pro-choicers to demagogue the issue by scaring vulnerable women. Now, thanks to Trump, that’s back on the table. Trump’s already trying to walk it back even though the townhall with Matthews from which this was clipped hasn’t aired yet: — Sarah McCammon NPR (@sarahmccammon) March 30, 2016 Hillary’s already attacking him over it. So is Team Cruz, as you’ll see in the second clip below. Trump can run from it but it’s on tape and every down-ballot Republican will wear it now if he’s the nominee. And the best part, as one Twitter pal said, is that Trump will eventually (“eventually” as in “probably within the next few hours”) deny that he ever said it to begin with. Still think this is all part of a master strategy or could it be that he really is winging it? — The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) March 30, 2016 Poster Comment: This will keep Vannity and Coulter and the other Mini-Me's busy Trumpsplaining it away for the next few days. “Mr. Trump’s comment today is completely out of touch with the pro-life movement and even more with women who have chosen such a sad thing as abortion,” said Jeanne Mancini, President of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund. “Being pro-life means wanting what is best for the mother and the baby. Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision. No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion. This is against the very nature of what we are about. We invite a woman who has gone down this route to consider paths to healing, not punishment.” In truth, like the notion that there should be exceptions for rape and incest, the notion that only the abortion doctor (not the woman having the abortion) should face penalties, is inconsistent with the notion that “abortion is murder.” #Trump campaign issues brief statement on #abortion: pic.twitter.com/jJFhzmHP5W Cruz campaign: Cruz focuses on punishing those who perform abortions, not women who get them https://t.co/GRrUbWpzGE https://t.co/7am5Tcd7AG The next Trump scandal.
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#34. To: misterwhite (#33)
I was just feeding you some rope. Your problem isn't me. It's your cult leader, The Donald.
Sure. At that point, they were talking about the woman having a back-alley abortion. Matthews asked if she should be punished for that that. Trump said yes. Trump corrected that later and said she shouldn't. End of story.
You should be punished. I agree.
It wasn't poorly phrased or a hypothetical. It was a direct yes-or-no question. And Trump answered YES, women must be punished for abortion. Go back up and look at the interview again. Did you even watch it?
You like to whip yourself up into a fury of false accusations if someone says something you disagree with. Oh, yeah, and Free Sneaky.
My problem IS you and people like you. Trump corrects his mistake and, like a dog gnawing on a bone, you just won't quit the criticism.
The Catholic Church is pretty pro-life. They have me. But guess what, I can't become one of THEIR leaders, because in the end I prefer sex and childbearing with a woman than being a eunuch for God - and that means that I don't get to be a leader in that institution. Only those who sacrifice their sexual lives to follow Christ wholly get to be. You don't like that. But it acts as a very effective barrier to those of us who are fleshly enough to prefer the carnal company of the opposite sex over a life of prayer, and who are therefore likely to favor our families - as we would be expected. There are very few Catholic parents who would obey God if they were in the position of Abraham, asked to sacrifice their son. They would say "No, Lord, I will not." Or they would say "You are not really God - you are a demon to demand such a thing!" I know I would. And therefore, the fact of celibacy MEANS that Catholic parents and spouses aren't put in the position of having to choose between God and family. The rule avoids it. So, I AM already a part of the world's largest and most consistent pro-life organization. They're happy to have me as a member. And no, I will never be in any position of leadership, and shouldn't be. And it is all designed that way, quite wisely I believe. People like you don't understand us.
Your views are firmly in line with those of radical muslims. Saudi government ‘wants to EXECUTE gay people who show their sexuality in public & online' You may just get this with Trump as president. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much GOOD! He's RIGHT.
You may just get this with Trump as president. No way. Trump doesn't care about the gays. He lives in NYC, a very tolerant place. He's tolerant. I am too. Baby murder is a different thing altogether. No sane person should tolerate baby murderers walking around in our midst. Abortion needs to be stopped, and those hellbent on murder anyway should be dispatched to hell where they belong. Men who want to bugger men? Seriously, do you really care? I don't. God does. He'll take care of that. I DO care about people killing other people, though. And babies are people.
Let the record show that Decktard thinks that it is ok to murder babies and the mother shouldn't be punished. You are the one who is in line with Muslims. They think the same as you do about the great country the United States of America. Why shouldn't someone who kills their kid be punished. So Decard thinks you can drown your kid in a bath tub and you shouldn't be punished for it. That is sick decktard.
Well he ended up saying NO. so he changed his mind. Hmmm
You've got much bigger problems than being offended that someone makes a few posts on an obscure forum with 20 active posters.
Did you teach that to your kids? Hopefully not.
Muslims hate people who murder babies. They even had a rule about cumming inside your slave girl because if God wanted a baby to come from her than let God will it and not humans intervene. There's a lot of bad things for Islam but that's not it.
Don't worry, he'll change his mind as often as he likes. And he can just as easily change his mind once he's president too.
19 I got rid of sneak a peter.
Sure it was. All Matthews said was that "abortion is illegal". What does that mean? Does that mean "If a woman has an abortion she is breaking the law"? If so, doesn't it follow that a woman be punished if she breaks the law? "And Trump answered YES, women must be punished for abortion." Within hours he corrected that and said no. Did you read it? Are people not allowed to correct their mistakes?
Please post one link to where I ever said it was OK to murder babies. What, you mean you can't find one single instance? Then shut your dick-holster you lying POS. You are the one who is in line with Muslims. I'm not the one who wants to kill the faggots. So Decard thinks you can drown your kid in a bath tub and you shouldn't be punished for it. More lies. Typical insanity from the site owner. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much ou're a pro abortion faggot lover Your views are firmly in line with those of radical muslims.
But he can't do that! He can't! He can't! He can't! He said yes. Did you hear him? He said yes. He can't change his mind. He's not allowed. He said yes. Crucify him for saying yes. Stone him! Didn't you hear him say yes? Oh, we got him now. He said yes. Wanna hear the YouTube? I've got the YouTube where he said yes. Wanna hear it?
More lies. Typical insanity from the site owner. Murder is murder. No matter how you do it. You support murder. Or you sure made it sound like you did with your abortion muslim comment. So unless you're saying your views are in line with radical muslims. It is a legitimate conclusion.
I'm confused. He just said no that's all. I don't know why he said no right after.
Post ONE LINK that backs up your spurious claims. The fact is that you can't. That makes you a liar. I just don't want to join you in waging a jihad on "faggots". In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much My guess is that they want to avoid the 800 lb gorilla in the room, many abortions are traditionally paid for by the baby's father, or a relative of the mother. Then you have to decide if the person who paid the hitman should get the death penalty too? Muslims are pretty strictly anti-abortion. I know of no pro-abortion Muslims. None.
If there was a way to determine that an unborn child will be homosexual, would you be in favor of aborting that child? In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I don't think they should kill fags ok. I don't agree with gay marriage but I don't support murdering anyone. I support the death penalty for abortion. If it is a life then it is murder. That is science. You sound like you come from the dark ages.
That is a stupid question. No on is born queer.
Don't confuse him with facts - he's on a roll. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Then you have to decide if the person who paid the hitman should get the death penalty too? Won't you have to go after the bank or credit card company that paid for the transaction as well? We're gonna need a lot more execution chambers.
Well you have to respect that about them. They get something right.
Along with the faggot killing too, right? In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much And what if he decides to correct his "mistake" of being pro-life 4 hours after he is sworn in as prez? You'll be okay with that too?
Trump came out with a written statement clarifying his position. I would think that would settle the issue. But Too Conservative doesn't want to let it go.
Wrong.
There you go making stuff up again.
Not at all. Trump just flipped from punish-the-woman to punish-the-abortionist in less than 4 hours. He has a track record of major flipflopping on this and many other issues. You just don't like it when someone notices this and points it out.
Are you concerned that he might? All right. I'll play your stupid game. What if he did? He calls a press conference and says he's pro-choice. What changes? Nothing. Obama was pro-choice. What changed? Nothing. Hey, Bush was pro-life. What changed? Nothing. Take your "issue" and slink away. Nothing will change without Roe v Wade being overturned, and no President has that power.
I don't care. Trump 2016 Ok, I'll admit it I can be an asshole too. I dish it out to you and you take it. I guess you're ok. We're all just passionate about our beliefs.
Did i just flip flop? Oh well.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe fact that you refuse to answer it tells me what I need to know about your position.
#35. To: TooConservative (#32)
"Would you guys care to Trumpsplain that to us?"
#36. To: TooConservative (#32)
He made no mention at all of punishing the abortionist. None.
#37. To: misterwhite (#29)
He responded poorly to a poorly phrased hypothetical. He later clarified his position.
#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)
(Edited)
You should be punished. I agree.
#39. To: TooConservative (#34)
"Your problem isn't me."
#40. To: TooConservative (#21)
I don't think there is a pro-life group in the country that would want you as a member, let alone a leader.
#41. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#5)
You're a pro abortion faggot lover
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#42. To: TooConservative (#37)
And Trump answered YES, women must be punished for abortion.
#43. To: Deckard (#41)
Saudi government ‘wants to EXECUTE gay people who show their sexuality in public & online'
#44. To: Deckard (#41)
You're a pro abortion faggot lover Your views are firmly in line with those of radical muslims.
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#42)
#46. To: misterwhite (#39)
My problem IS you and people like you. Trump corrects his mistake and, like a dog gnawing on a bone, you just won't quit the criticism.
#47. To: Vicomte13 (#43)
Seriously, do you really care? I don't.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#44)
(Edited)
#49. To: goodnessmarlok (#45)
Well he ended up saying NO. so he changed his mind. Hmmm
#50. To: TooConservative (#46)
You've got much bigger problems than being offended that someone makes a few posts on an obscure forum with 20 active posters.
#51. To: TooConservative (#37)
"It wasn't poorly phrased or a hypothetical."
#52. To: A K A Stone (#44)
Let the record show that Decktard thinks that it is ok to murder babies and the mother shouldn't be punished.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#53. To: Deckard (#52)
#54. To: goodnessmarlok (#45)
"Well he ended up saying NO. so he changed his mind. Hmmm "
#55. To: Deckard (#52)
So Decard thinks you can drown your kid in a bath tub and you shouldn't be punished for it.
#56. To: misterwhite (#54)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#53)
ou're a pro abortion faggot lover
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#58. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, A K A Stone, redleghunter, tomder55 (#32)
Would you guys care to Trumpsplain that to us?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#59. To: A K A Stone (#44)
You are the one who is in line with Muslims.
#60. To: A K A Stone (#55)
You support murder.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#61. To: Deckard (#57)
#62. To: Deckard (#60)
If there was a way to determine that an unborn child will be homosexual, would you be in favor of aborting that child?
#63. To: TooConservative (#59)
Muslims are pretty strictly anti-abortion. I know of no pro-abortion Muslims.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#64. To: hondo68 (#58)
My guess is that they want to avoid the 800 lb gorilla in the room, many abortions are traditionally paid for by the baby's father, or a relative of the mother.
#65. To: TooConservative (#59)
Muslims are pretty strictly anti-abortion. I know of no pro-abortion Muslims. None.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)
Well you have to respect that about them. They get something right.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#67. To: misterwhite (#51)
Within hours he corrected that and said no. Did you read it? Are people not allowed to correct their mistakes?
#68. To: goodnessmarlok (#56)
"I'm confused. He just said no that's all. I don't know why he said no right after."
#69. To: Deckard (#66)
Along with the faggot killing too, right?
#70. To: TooConservative (#67)
And what if he decides to correct his "mistake" of being pro-life 4 hours after he is sworn in as prez? You'll be okay with that too?
#71. To: A K A Stone (#70)
There you go making stuff up again.
#72. To: TooConservative (#67)
"And what if he decides to correct his "mistake" of being pro-life 4 hours after he is sworn in as prez?"
#73. To: TooConservative (#71)
#74. To: tooconservative (#73)
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