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Title: Trump: If abortion is banned, there has to be some form of punishment for women who do it
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/ ... unishment-for-women-who-do-it/
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2016-03-30 17:16:58 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 41146
Comments: 274

Charles Cooke calls this an ideological Turing test, i.e. a question whose answer reveals how plausible it is that Trump really is who he claims to be. The standard answer from nearly all serious pro-lifers is that it’s the abortionist, not his patient, who should be sanctioned if and when abortion is banned. The March of Life explains why:
“Mr. Trump’s comment today is completely out of touch with the pro-life movement and even more with women who have chosen such a sad thing as abortion,” said Jeanne Mancini, President of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund. “Being pro-life means wanting what is best for the mother and the baby. Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision. No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion. This is against the very nature of what we are about. We invite a woman who has gone down this route to consider paths to healing, not punishment.”

Ted Cruz, when he’s inevitably asked about this now, will give some variation of that same response. Trump, whom his conservative critics suspect of being an opportunist on abortion rather than committed to the cause, went a different route. You can almost see the wheels turning in his head here: He knows, as a political matter, that he can’t let Cruz get to his right on abortion. Republicans will let him slide on a lot — a lot — but if he gives them reason to think he’s BSing them on an issue at the very core of social conservatism, it could give Cruz the break he needs to take off. And so, when he gets the question from Matthews about what to do with women who insist on having abortions in a hypothetical future where the practice is banned, he goes with his gut — and his gut is “stay to the right.” So … sure, let’s punish women for abortion. This is the message the party’s carrying into the general election against the first woman major-party nominee, huh? By a guy who’s already having major problems polling among women, no less.

It’s easy to understand how an amateur would stumble into this answer, writes Matt Lewis, but why would you want to nominate an amateur?
In truth, like the notion that there should be exceptions for rape and incest, the notion that only the abortion doctor (not the woman having the abortion) should face penalties, is inconsistent with the notion that “abortion is murder.”

Yet these political compromises are necessary in order to cobble together a palatable and defensible (if admittedly inconsistent) public policy position that might someday actually be able to win the argument in mainstream America.

Part of the goal is to remove the ability for pro-choicers to demagogue the issue by scaring vulnerable women. Now, thanks to Trump, that’s back on the table.

Trump’s already trying to walk it back even though the townhall with Matthews from which this was clipped hasn’t aired yet:
#Trump campaign issues brief statement on #abortion: pic.twitter.com/jJFhzmHP5W

— Sarah McCammon NPR (@sarahmccammon) March 30, 2016

Hillary’s already attacking him over it. So is Team Cruz, as you’ll see in the second clip below. Trump can run from it but it’s on tape and every down-ballot Republican will wear it now if he’s the nominee. And the best part, as one Twitter pal said, is that Trump will eventually (“eventually” as in “probably within the next few hours”) deny that he ever said it to begin with. Still think this is all part of a master strategy or could it be that he really is winging it?

Cruz campaign: Cruz focuses on punishing those who perform abortions, not women who get them https://t.co/GRrUbWpzGE https://t.co/7am5Tcd7AG

— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) March 30, 2016


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The next Trump scandal.

This will keep Vannity and Coulter and the other Mini-Me's busy Trumpsplaining it away for the next few days.

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#134. To: Vicomte13 (#132) (Edited)

The question is whether it will be Trump or a Democrat. That is the choice.

I think Trump is a Democrat. Just as Bloomberg was elected NYC mayor as a Republican a few times despite being a lifelong Dem.

Trump is pretty clumsy in pandering to boobs like you. But this is why he prefers uneducated voters.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   11:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Roscoe (#123)

Wouldn't it be fun if Trump's statement about punishing the mother started to snowball and people began asking, "Hey! Shouldn't she be punished?"

It did with immigration. It did with the Syrian refugees.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   11:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: tomder55 (#133)

Before abortion became legal ,women were not punished as criminals for having an abortion. They were considered victims The abortionist was charged .

Of course. But Trump and LF's Trumpkins can't be bothered to read anything.

The booboisie, following a witless ape riding a gold-plated escalator.

It's the willful ignorance that is so striking. It takes so little time to discover the facts. It isn't like you have to read long dense books to know the history of pro-life reasonably well. But that is too much effort for Trump and the Trumpkins.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   11:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: TooConservative (#134)

I think Trump is a Democrat.

To be a "Democrat" means to be registered with that party.

He's not.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-03-31   11:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: TooConservative (#136)

It's obvious to me Cruz is a serial liar. Chris Wallace called him out about his lying.

Truth Is Still Truth Even If You Don't Believe It.

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-03-31   11:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: rlk (#99)

Please study the employment and interpretation of the conditional syllogism: If A, then B. If, and only if A, then B. Etc. You talk like a man with a wooden asshole.

You talk like a man with a wooden head. The if conditions are totally immaterial to the issue. The ifs were present in both of his statements, the first one and then the 180 he did a few hours later. WTF don't you understand about this? He waffled big time and it is costing him big time. He also is dragging down the REP Party and virtually handing all three branches of the Fed government to the DRats. Perhaps you think we will live long and prosper when this happens?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-03-31   11:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Vicomte13 (#137)

To be a "Democrat" means to be registered with that party.

He's not.

Not since 2009 apparently. However, he has continued his donations to the hard Left Dim pols unabated.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   11:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: GarySpFC, TooConservative (#138)

It's obvious to me Cruz is a serial liar. Chris Wallace called him out about his lying.

Wow, an egomaniacal politician a serial liar? Whodathunkit?

I have always believed that anyone that so desperately wants to be elected to high public office should never be given the job. But in practice We The People give it to them anyway.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-03-31   11:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Too Conservative, All (#11)

Matthews never said what the law was. His question was essentially, "If abortion is illegal and a woman breaks the law should she be punished?"
-- misterwhite

I'm listening to Rush and he's saying the exact same thing I posted.

Trump heard the question as a law-and-order one, not abortion. And that's the way he answered it.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   12:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: tomder55 (#133)

"Before abortion became legal ,women were not punished as criminals for having an abortion. They were considered victims The abortionist was charged."

But that's not what Matthews asked. He said IF abortion is illegal and a woman breaks the law, should she be punished?

Should she?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   12:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Deckard (#41)

Saudi government ‘wants to EXECUTE gay people who show their sexuality in public & online'

What's interesting about the above is Disney took $1.2 Billion from the House of Saud and they are the largest promoters of the gay agenda.

They took blood money from Muslim oil barons and yet threaten GA with economic sanctions over a religious liberty law.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-03-31   12:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: misterwhite (#143)

If Trump had any clue about the pro-life movement and wasn't a recent convert for convenience ,he could've answered the question easily .The pro-life movement is not an anti-woman movement .His answer is exactly what the libs want to hear .It reenforces their stereotypes of conservatives. It's exactly what Chris Matthews wanted to hear . But it doesn't reflect the true opinions of the majority of the prolife folks .

The woman is as much a victim as the baby . Often the woman is desperate and since she lives in this souless nation ,she doesn't know all the alternatives (including lifestyle choices ) . Many women have deep regrets that affect them the rest of their lives . I'm very suprised that the instinct of some pro- lifers is to punish the women. These women are also victims of a social system that encourages them to take that path.

But let me ask you . All the Trump supporters I encounter tell me they like him because he speaks his mind and to hell with p.c. Well yesterday he spoke his mind and appeared to back track apparently due to pc pressure . What is Trump's true position ....the one he initially spoke ;or the pc one he back tracked to for expediency ?

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-31   13:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: tomder55 (#145)

What is Trump's true position ....the one he initially spoke ;or the pc one he back tracked to for expediency ?

He screwed up answering a hypothetical question.

His screw ups make headlines too, so maybe he did it on purpose.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-03-31   13:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: tomder55 (#145)

Trump was not asked about abortion in a straightforward way. Had he been he would have responded that he was pro-life. Period. Next question. This is not a burning issue in 2016.

But Chris Matthews was looking for a gotcha moment. He gave Trump a hypothetical scenario, saying that abortion was illegal and asking Trump if he would punish a woman who broke the law.

Trump took that as a law-and-order question and said yes.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   13:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: SOSO (#141)

Wow, an egomaniacal politician a serial liar? Whodathunkit?

I know I'm shocked. No, seriously.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   13:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Fred Mertz, tomder55 (#146)

His screw ups make headlines too, so maybe he did it on purpose.

He screwed 3 or times yesterday. I don't think any of them were on purpose. But CNN is having a field day at his expenses and the with the REP Party today and it will likley continue until he makes his next gaffe.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-03-31   13:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: misterwhite (#147)

Trump was not asked about abortion in a straightforward way. Had he been he would have responded that he was pro-life. Period. Next question. This is not a burning issue in 2016.

You're as brain-dead as Limbaugh was today.

An open seat on the Supreme Court and it just "is not a burning issue in 2016"?

You're a complete moron.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   13:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: TooConservative (#150)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-03-31   14:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Fred Mertz (#151)

I've yet to encounter anyone who claimed to be in Mensa who had actually passed the test.

People lie about crap online all the time. Military service and Mensa are two faves of serial liars.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   14:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#150)

You're a complete moron.

You give him too much credit.

There is no hope for a Trump dupe.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-03-31   14:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: TooConservative (#152)

I have one friend that I know is a Mensa. He advised me to take the test. I told him I didn't want to be a 95 percenter no-go/failure.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-03-31   14:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: tomder55 (#145)

The woman is as much a victim as the baby .

That is a lie. That is a lie. That is a lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: TooConservative (#110)

So you really do want to execute the mother but only give the abortionist a prison sentence.

I think the abortionist who does the procedure should be executed. Limb by limb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: TooConservative (#109)

I'd be surprised if there are even 100 thousand such voters in the entire country.

So you think morality is a vote. That is stupid.

You take the wide gate I will take the narrow one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: A K A Stone (#157)

You take the wide gate I will take the narrow one.

Coincidentally, I had a couple of polite JWs on the doorstep yesterday, haranguing me politely with just that passage. I felt kinda sorry for them but it made them happy that I didn't call them heretics and slam the door. The Watchtower makes them kind of desperate.

I had to smile. The JWs have their Kingdom Hall across town but the Mormons are right across the street and never knock on doors here. Those Mormons are good neighbors even if I do disagree with their theology.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   14:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: TooConservative (#158)

Coincidentally, I had a couple of polite JWs on the doorstep yesterday, haranguing me politely with just that passage. I felt kinda sorry for them but it made them happy that I didn't call them heretics and slam the door. The Watchtower makes them kind of desperate.

I had to smile. The JWs have their Kingdom Hall across town but the Mormons are right across the street and never knock on doors here. Those Mormons are good neighbors even if I do disagree with their theology.

I love it when Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door.

I talk until they flee and don't want to talk anymore.

Great fun.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: misterwhite (#147)

Chris Matthews was looking for a gotcha moment.

and if Trump had a well thought out answer he could've easily deflected the question. As an example . Roe v Wade created a national right out of thin air . Had there been no Roe v Wade then it would go back to the way it was before 1973 ;with some states having legal abortion and some states prohibiting the practice . A perfectly good conservative response would've been to say he wanted it pre- Roe when the states had the power to make the law.

Or as I said , he could've turned the question on Matthews and accused him of being a pro-eugenics racist progressive.

Trump's answer played right into the stereotype that the libs have of conservatives ....that they are incompassionate women haters .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-31   14:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: TooConservative (#150)

"An open seat on the Supreme Court and it just "is not a burning issue in 2016"?"

Is the court about to hear another abortion case? In the next 50 years?

Does the President appoint Supreme Court justices?

You're ignorant.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   14:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: tomder55 (#160)

and if Trump had a well thought out answer he could've easily deflected the question.

His answer was fine.

Ted Cruz is not pro life. He has the same position as Hillary.

Well if you and your ilk get their way we will have Hillary.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: misterwhite (#161)

Is the court about to hear another abortion case? In the next 50 years?

This session in fact.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   14:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: A K A Stone (#159)

I love it when Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door.

I talk until they flee and don't want to talk anymore.

I used to Mormon-proof people's houses for them that way. I know they have a database because once they met up with me, they never came back.

I liked to work the younger missionary with innocent questions while fending off the older handler missionary who would inevitably want to flee before I caused his young dupe to start thinking for himself.

The young JW yesterday, a very nice kid, started looking very thoughtful when I began discussing the history of the Bible and its central role in history. You probably can see why that isn't such a friendly topic for the senior JW. Still, they were nice people. I felt more sorry for the JWs than I ever did with Mormons. JWs are much more cultish IMO so their missionaries are victims, especially the younger ones.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   15:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#161)

Does the President appoint Supreme Court justices?

Does he nominate them? Does the Senate ever appoint justices the President didn't nominate?

You're ignorant.

You try to deceive - but luckily for decent people, you're not smart enough to do it well.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-03-31   15:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: A K A Stone (#163)

"This session in fact."

Texas is trying to regulate abortion clinics out of existence. Hardly Roe v Wade.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   15:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: ConservingFreedom (#165)

"Does he nominate them?"

He sure does. Doesn't mean Congress will approve.

"Does the Senate ever appoint justices the President didn't nominate?"

Nope. But I bet they tell the President, "You nominate this guy and we'll approve".

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   15:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: A K A Stone (#162)

Ted Cruz is not pro life. He has the same position as Hillary.

Wrong.

Clinton (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and- opportunity/):

'Women’s personal health decisions should be made by a woman, her family, and her faith, with the counsel of her doctor. Hillary will stand up to Republican attempts to defund Planned Parenthood, which would restrict access to critical health care services, like cancer screenings, contraception, and safe, legal abortion.'

Cruz (theiowarepublican.com/201...t-defend-the-sanctity- of-every-life/ ):

'The question of abortion should not be an issue of partisan politics, or even of differing faith backgrounds. It is a fundamental question of justice, and of whether we still hold true those immortal words of our founders — that we are “endowed” by our “Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” the first of which is life.

'Abortion is the stain on our nation’s modern history. We should end it.

[...] 'As Solicitor General of Texas, I was proud to successfully defend a federal law that bans partial birth abortion and to lead 18 states in defending New Hampshire’s parental notifications laws, both cases that we successfully won at the Supreme Court, marking two significant victories for life. While neither of these measures remove the scourge of abortion entirely, they continue shine the light on the atrocity and move us closer to doing so.

'During my time in the Senate, I have continued to fight for life. I am an original cosponsor of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, to ban abortions after 20 weeks. I introduced a measure to stop the D.C. Council from forcing organizations to fund abortion services. And when Texas State Senator Wendy Davis and an army of abortion advocates tried to squelch legislation designed to protect the unborn, I proudly stood with the vast majority of Texans to protect the rights of the unborn.'

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-03-31   15:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: TooConservative (#164)

Is the court about to hear another abortion case? In the next 50 years?

I used to work for an atheist. We were working on his fathers rental property next to his dentists office. Some JW's came to the door.

I was feeling mischievous so I told them it wasn't my house but to come in ant talk to the owner.

He got kind of mad that I let them in to bug him.

:)

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   15:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: misterwhite (#167)

He sure does. Doesn't mean Congress will approve.

Does mean the open seat makes it a significant issue in 2016.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-03-31   15:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: ConservingFreedom (#168)

Ted Cruz is not pro life. He has the same position as Hillary. Wrong.

Ted Cruz thinks women should be able to get abortions and not face any penalty.

Same position as Hillary.

He puts a lot of lawyer lying in his words. Hillary is more direct.

0 = 0. As in no birth no consequences.

Don't lie to yourself. Be honest.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   15:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: A K A Stone (#171)

Ted Cruz thinks women should be able to get abortions and not face any penalty.

Same position as Hillary.

Ted Cruz thinks abortionists should not be able to perform abortions and not face any penalty.

Not the same position as Hillary.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-03-31   15:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: ConservingFreedom (#170)

"Does mean the open seat makes it a significant issue in 2016."

Of course. But more than just the President decides who sits there. Ask Obama about that.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-31   15:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: ConservingFreedom (#172)

Ted Cruz thinks abortionists should not be able to perform abortions and not face any penalty.

Not the same position as Hillary.

Pretty much the same.

WHere did Cruz say he would punish the abortionist?

I don't think he ever said that.

Show me please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   15:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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