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Title: US District Court Rules “There is No First Amendment Right to Film the Police” (misterwhite and Roscoe applaud the death of First Amendment)
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pa ... s-there-amendment-film-police/
Published: Feb 25, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-02-25 08:37:03 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 11650
Comments: 68

Philadelphia, PA — In an asinine blow to freedom of speech, U.S. District Judge Mark Kearney of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania issued a ruling Friday stating that citizens do not have a First Amendment right to record the police in public.

The ruling was based on the cases of Geraci v. City of Philadelphia and Fields v. City of Philadelphia. Both Geraci and Fields filed suit against the city of Philadelphia claiming their First and Fourth Amendment rights were violated when officers confiscated their cellphones after they filmed police or were barred from filming police.

According to The Legal Intelligencer, 

Neither of the plaintiffs, Richard Fields nor Amanda Geraci, were filming the police conduct because they had a criticism or challenge to what they were seeing. For Fields, he thought the conduct was an interesting scene and would make for a good picture, Kearney said. And for Geraci, she was a legal observer trained to observe the police, Kearney said.

Fields was walking down a sidewalk when he saw 20 police officers standing outside of a house party and decided that he would take a picture of it. When he took the photo, a would-be tyrant police officer approached him and asked Fields if he likes “taking pictures of grown men,” and demanded that he leave. When Fields respectfully declined to leave a public area, the officer handcuffed him, emptied his pockets and took and searched his ­cellphone. He was charged with obstructing the highway and obstructing public passages — for taking a photo.

In Geraci’s case, she was only attempting to film a fracking protest. As she got closer to the scene, police physically restrained her from filming, despite not yet having begun to record.

“The citizens urge us to find, for the first time in this circuit, photographing police without any challenge or criticism is expressive conduct protected by the First Amendment,” Kearney said.

“While we instinctively understand the citizens’ argument, particularly with rapidly developing instant image sharing technology, we find no basis to craft a new First Amendment right based solely on ‘observing and recording’ without expressive conduct and, consistent with the teachings of the Supreme Court and our court of appeals, decline to do so today,” he continued.

In other words, had Geraci and Fields challenged the conduct of the officers while they were filming, then their ‘speech’ would have been protected. However, they were only passively observing, which, according to this rookie judge, is not free speech.

Kearney explains this failure of logic in the decision,

We find there is no First Amendment right under our governing law to observe and record police officers absent some other expressive conduct

Fields’ and Geraci’s alleged “constitutionally protected conduct” consists of observing and photographing, or making a record of, police activity in a public forum. Neither uttered any words to the effect he or she sought to take pictures to oppose police activity. Their particular behavior is only afforded First Amendment protection if we construe it as expressive conduct. Because we find this issue dispositive on all of Plaintiffs’ First Amendment retaliation claims, we first address whether Fields’ and Geraci’s conduct is constitutionally protected activity under prevailing precedent.

We analyze Fields’ and Geraci’s conduct mindful of the Supreme Court’s admonition “[w]e cannot accept the view that an apparently limitless variety of conduct can be labeled ‘speech’ …. ” “[I]t is the obligation of the person desiring to engage in assertedly expressive conduct to demonstrate that the First Amendment even applies. “ “Expressive conduct exists where ‘an intent to convey a particularized message was present, and the likelihood was great that the message would be understood by those who viewed it. “’ “[T]his is a fact-sensitive, context-dependent inquiry, and … the putative speaker bears the burden of proving that his or her conduct is expressive.”

Applying this standard, we conclude Fields and Geraci cannot meet the burden of demonstrating their taking, or attempting to take, pictures with no further comments or conduct is “sufficiently imbued with elements of communication” to be deemed expressive conduct. Neither Fields nor Geraci direct us to facts showing at the time they took or wanted to take pictures, they asserted anything to anyone. There is also no evidence any of the officers understood them as communicating any idea or message.

The irony here is that had these two individuals challenged the tyrannical cops who attacked them for filming, like Kearney recommends, they would have probably been beaten or worse.

 

In another failure of logic, ignoring the fact that their phones were taken for practicing their First Amendment, Kearney acknowledged that since the police physically confiscated their property, their Fourth Amendment rights were potentially violated.

“The citizens are not without remedy because once the police officer takes your phone, alters your technology, arrests you or applies excessive force, we proceed to trial on the Fourth Amendment claims,” Kearney said.

According to the Legal Intelligencer,

The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania represented the plaintiffs along with Jonathan Feinberg of Kairys, Rudovsky, Messing & Feinberg, John Grogan and Peter Leckman of Langer, Grogan & Diver and Seth Kreimer of the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

Mary Catherine Roper of the ACLU of Pennsylvania said the parties couldn’t appeal until the remaining claims are addressed, but she said she anticipates this case getting before the Third Circuit.

Roper said the practical implications of this decision come down to the fact that a police officer can’t know what the intended use of the image truly is.

“Anybody who makes a drawing, who takes a photograph, who makes a movie is literally creating a communication,” Roper said. “We think it is the act of creating that communication that is in itself an expressive act and is protected by the First Amendment, whether or not you intend to criticize or praise or hide your light under a bushel.”

Only a government that lives like cockroaches in the darkness would criminalize the act of turning on the light.

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#28. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#18)

Don't be so hard on yourself. The above cases cited were free speech issues, not freedom of the press.

Are you so thick you can't see where Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are so linked it is impossible to separate them?

SERIOUSLY?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#25)

Let me be frank with you.

I don't give a shit what some judge says. They don't determine what the constitution means. The words in it do.

So I know the truth. I know the truth.

I do what I want to do. If the law is just I follow it. If it isn't just I might now follow it.

My standards are superior to the "color of law".

The judge needs to bite an aids infected faggot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: misterwhite (#25)

The court ruled that the first amendment does not protect your right to film a cop for no reason whatsoever.

Why do you object to that narrow restriction?

Because it's wrong.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#19)

We are all the press now.

We,the people,have always been a part of the press. Hell,the people WERE the press back before printing press was invented. The Town Crier was the official "reporter",but common people could and would express their opinions and report news,also.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#27)

Changing a light bulb doesn't make you an electrician.

If I install a light or a switch I am an electrician.

I am an electrician. I'm a carpenter, A roofer, a drywaller.

I'm a mechanic. I'm a member of the press. I'm a plumber. I'm also a lot of other stuff.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#31)

We are all the press now. We,the people,have always been a part of the press. Hell,the people WERE the press back before printing press was invented. The Town Crier was the official "reporter",but common people could and would express their opinions and report news,also.

You're right. But now we all have access to a "printing press".

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#29)

"I don't give a shit what some judge says."

Duly noted.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#20)

This is to be a free country. Not a police state.

Careful now. You are breaking his heart.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#30)

"Because it's wrong."

Oh?

And where, pray tell, do I go to find the "right" interpretation of the first amendment?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#21)

And the court has not ruled that the plaintiffs were wrong to record the police. All they have ruled is that the First Amendment argument doesn't apply. I think that's erroneous, but the court may yet find that the plaintiffs were well within their rights to record the police, but it won't rule that because of the First Amendment. It would be based on some other criteria (such as a lack of any law to the contrary).

If/when the judge is found to be wrong,his court should be forced to pay the defendants legal fees and for any loss of income to appear in court.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#23)

I'm sure staying out of the way is the very first lesson on any such curriculum.

Not to mention real life because interfering with the police while they are making an arrest can and will get YOU arrested.

Then again,the whole concept of filming the police while they are making arrests is done SOLELY for the purpose of questioning their actions AFTER the arrest has been made,so why would they even want to interfere?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#36)

And where, pray tell, do I go to find the "right" interpretation of the first amendment?

That's what the thingy between your ears is for.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#25)

The court ruled that the first amendment does not protect your right to film a cop for no reason whatsoever.

No local court has the legal authority to make such a ruling. You can legally film anyone anywhere as long as they are in public. You may have to get their permission to use their image in a release to the general public,but that only applies to common citizens,not public employees on the job.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite (#27)

Changing a light bulb doesn't make you an electrician.

It does if you are on a union job.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#24)

cameras and video recorders available back when those laws were written in the 1700's?

The current Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was established in 1968.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   12:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Pinguinite (#39)

"That's what the thingy between your ears is for."

Aha! So each of us determines the meaning of the U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights. It is what we say it is.

I'm getting off this thread. Between you and I-don't-give-a-shit-what-some-judge-says A K A Stone, I fell like I've gone down the rabbit hole.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   12:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#33)

You're right. But now we all have access to a "printing press".

Even better because it is more effective and you can never been too careful about keeping an eye on the government because it is the nature of governments to always try to seize total control over their citizens.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   12:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: misterwhite (#36)

And where, pray tell, do I go to find the "right" interpretation of the first amendment?

You could get a 5th grader to read it to you,and then explain it.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   12:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Roscoe (#42)

The current Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was established in 1968.

How does it compare to the original Pa Constitution?

You may need to stock up on hangman's rope.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   12:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#46)

How does it compare to the original Pa Constitution?

Doesn't matter. You've been humiliated, so you're trying to change the subject.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   12:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: misterwhite (#43)

They love their judicial emissions from penumbras.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   12:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Roscoe, sneakypete (#47)

How does it compare to the original Pa Constitution?

I used to live in PA.

The text of the free speech/press portion of the 1968 version is completely identical to the 1874 version, which is very similar to the 1838 & 1790 versions.

There have been 5 Constitutions in PA's history since 1776.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   12:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pinguinite (#49)

The text of the free speech/press portion of the 1968 version is completely identical to the 1874 version

And camera's existed in Pennsylvania in 1968.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   12:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#43)

I'm getting off this thread.

If you were actually a constructive & honest participant here, I'd take your postings more seriously. As is, it's apparent to me you just have an agenda of cheering for police no matter what they may do. I have the impression that if it was reported that a cop went into a school and machine gunned a class full of 6 year olds, you'd find a way to blame the kids.

It's the reason I suspect your participation here is payroll based. Your views, as posted, simply defy any other logic.

There are others I disagree with a lot and with intensity, but I don't have this same sentiment for them because they appear to presenting their honest views, and I respect them for that. But I have no such respect for you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   13:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Roscoe (#50)

And camera's existed in Pennsylvania in 1968.

The current PA constitution was ratified 1968. But the fact that the entire section of the free speech/press clause is exactly identical to the 1874 version reasonably shows the intent from 1874 carried over to the 1968 version.

The "abuse" clause you highlighted with regard to free speech/press hardly applies to recording police, unless you care to explain the manner in which abuse occurred. Certainly abuse is possible by engaging in libel or slander, or exposing information or material that infringes upon one's person or papers which we all enjoy a natural right to privacy to as per the 4th Amendment.

Recording the activities of public servants while they are in public engaged in activities which the people are paying them to perform certainly does not qualify as anything the police have a right to privacy over.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   13:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Pinguinite (#51)

It's the reason I suspect your participation here is payroll based.

And you expect anyone to take your paranoid nonsense seriously?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   13:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pinguinite (#52)

But the fact that the entire section of the free speech/press clause is exactly identical to the 1874 version reasonably shows the intent from 1874 carried over to the 1968 version.

The non-existent filming police equals non-abusive speech intent? That doesn't even rise to the level of lame.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   13:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Pinguinite (#52)

The "abuse" clause you highlighted with regard to free speech/press hardly applies to recording police, unless you care to explain the manner in which abuse occurred.

Backwards. You don't get to write Pennsylvania's laws made pursuant to their state constitution, or to impose your emanations of penumbras on their lawmakers.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   13:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Roscoe (#55)

I'm recording you right now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   13:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002)

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   13:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Roscoe (#57)

Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82

I don't give a shit about case "law". Because it isn't law and just an opinion.

Show us from the constitution where judges get to write the law.

You can't they don't. They operate on deception and color of law.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   13:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Roscoe (#47)

How does it compare to the original Pa Constitution?

Doesn't matter. You've been humiliated, so you're trying to change the subject.

ROFLMAO!

You really thought you were going to get away with claiming that PA has a newer Constitution and people would assume it eliminates the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution,didn't you?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   13:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pinguinite, Roscoe (#49)

I used to live in PA.

The text of the free speech/press portion of the 1968 version is completely identical to the 1874 version, which is very similar to the 1838 & 1790 versions.

There have been 5 Constitutions in PA's history since 1776.

LOL! Roscoe,you have been served!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   13:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Roscoe (#50)

The text of the free speech/press portion of the 1968 version is completely identical to the 1874 version

And camera's existed in Pennsylvania in 1968.

Yes,and it is obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that the people who passed off on the new Constitution knew about cameras and video recorders,and saw no need to mention them because they were always covered under the freedom of the press/freedom of speech clauses. Never met a jackboot you didn't want to lick,did you?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   13:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone, Roscoe (#56)

I'm recording you right now.

And I am watching the recording.

BOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   13:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#58)

AKA,I think this may be the first thread on LF where you and I were on the same side.

I feel a little "dirty".

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: sneakypete (#63)

AKA,I think this may be the first thread on LF where you and I were on the same side.

I feel a little "dirty".

Pete. We agree more then we disagree.

I just go at you hard on one particular subject that I feel strongly about.

You're a live and let live type of guy.

I respect that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   14:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#59)

eliminates the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution

Congress

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   14:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: sneakypete (#61)

the people who passed off on the new Constitution knew about cameras and video recorders,and saw no need to mention them

Having chosen not to amend their constitution with your emanation of penumbra reasoning.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   14:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Roscoe (#66)

Having chosen not to amend their constitution with your emanation of penumbra reasoning.

Look at you! Somebody taught you some new words for the day!

I hope they explained to you that they mean "bullshit" in this context.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   22:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: sneakypete (#67)

Or in your case, an emission from a penumbra.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-26   0:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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