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Title: World War 3 Could Start This Month: 350,000 Soldiers In Saudi Arabia Stand Ready To Invade Syria
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Published: Feb 15, 2016
Author: Mike Snyder
Post Date: 2016-02-15 19:41:12 by U don't know me
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World War 3 Could Start This Month: 350,000 Soldiers In Saudi Arabia Stand Ready To Invade Syria By Michael Snyder, on February 14th, 2016 War Soldiers - Public Domain350,000 soldiers, 20,000 tanks, 2,450 warplanes and 460 military helicopters are massing in northern Saudi Arabia for a military exercise that is being called “Northern Thunder”. According to the official announcement, forces are being contributed by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, Sudan, Kuwait, Morocco, Pakistan, Tunisia, Oman, Qatar, Malaysia and several other nations. This exercise will reportedly last for 18 days, and during that time the airspace over northern Saudi Arabia will be closed to air traffic. This will be the largest military exercise in the history of the region, and it comes amid rumors that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are preparing for a massive ground invasion of Syria. If you were going to gather forces for an invasion, this is precisely how you would do it. Governments never come out and publicly admit that forces are moving into position for an invasion ahead of time, so “military exercises” are a common excuse that gets used for this sort of thing. If these exercises are actually being used as an excuse to mass forces near the northern Saudi border, then we should expect an invasion to begin within the next couple of weeks. If it happens, we should expect to see the Saudi coalition storm through western Iraq and into Syria from the south, and it is likely that Turkey will come in from the north. The goal would be to take out the Assad regime before Russia, Iran and Hezbollah could react. For the past couple of years, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies have been funding the Sunni insurgency in Syria, and they were counting on those insurgents to be able to take down the Assad regime by themselves. You see, the truth is that ISIS was never supposed to lose in Syria. Saudi Arabia and her allies have been funneling massive amounts of money to ISIS, and hundreds of millions of dollars of ISIS oil has been shipped into Turkey where it is sold to the rest of the world. The major Sunni nations wanted ISIS and the other Sunni insurgent groups to take down Assad. In the aftermath, Saudi Arabia and her allies intended to transform Syria into a full-blown Sunni nation. But then Russia, Iran and Hezbollah stepped forward to assist the Assad regime. Russian air support completely turned the tide of the war, and now the Sunni insurgents are on the brink of losing. Aleppo was once the largest city in Syria, and Sunni insurgents have controlled it since 2012. But now relentless Russian airstrikes have made it possible for Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah ground forces to surround the city, and it is about to fall back into the hands of the Syrian government. If this happens, the war will essentially be over. Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies have invested massive amounts of time, money and effort into overthrowing Assad, and they aren’t about to walk away now. If the war was to end right at this moment, a weakened Assad regime would remain in power, and Iran and Hezbollah would be the dominant powers in the country for years to come. And once Assad died, it would be inevitable that Iran and Hezbollah would attempt to transform Syria into a full-blown Shiite nation. This is something that Saudi Arabia and Turkey want to avoid at all costs. So they are actually considering what was once absolutely unthinkable – a massive ground invasion of Syria. But if Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies go in, they run the risk of a full-blown war with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. Just consider some of the comments that we have seen in recent days… Reacting to a potential troop deployment, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem said Saturday, “Let no one think they can attack Syria or violate its sovereignty because I assure you any aggressor will return to their country in a wooden coffin.” Pavel Krasheninnikov, a deputy of Russia’s State Duma, has warned Saudi Arabia that any military ground operation in Syria without Damascus’ consent would amount to a declaration of war, Press TV reported. We could literally be looking at the spark that sets off World War 3. I can’t believe that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are actually considering this. And if it does happen, you can rest assured that Barack Obama gave them the green light to go in. Unfortunately, it sounds like the decision may have already been made. Just consider what Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu is saying… “If we have such a strategy, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia may launch a ground operation,” he added, fueling concerns that a foreign troop invasion may soon further complicate the already turbulent situation in the war-torn country. Earlier, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE voiced their readiness to contribute troops for a ground operation in Syria on the condition that the US would lead the intervention. Damascus and its key regional ally, Iran, warned that such a foreign force would face strong resistance. And in addition to all of the forces massing in northern Saudi Arabia, the London Independent is reporting that the Saudis have sent troops and aircraft to a military base in Turkey… Saudi Arabia is sending troops and fighter jets to Turkey’s Incirlik military base ahead of a possible ground invasion of Syria. The Turkish foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, confirmed the deployment in a statement to the Yeni ^afak newspaper on Saturday, days before a temporary ceasefire is due to come into force. There are reports that Saudi officials are saying that the decision to send in ground troops is “irreversible”, and Reuters is reporting that the Syrian government claims that some Turkish troops have already entered the country… The Syrian government says Turkish forces were believed to be among 100 gunmen it said entered Syria on Saturday accompanied by 12 pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, in an ongoing supply operation to insurgents fighting Damascus. “The operation of supplying ammunition and weapons is continuing via the Bab al-Salama crossing to the Syrian area of Azaz,” the Syrian foreign ministry said in a letter to the U.N. Security Council published by state news agency SANA. Of course the Turkish government is not going to confirm that report, but what we do know is that Turkey is shelling Kurdish forces on the Syrian side of the border. The funny thing is that these Kurdish forces are actually being supported and supplied by the U.S. government. So the Turks are not supposed to be doing this, but according to Reuters they have been doing it for two days in a row anyway… The Turkish army shelled positions held by Kurdish-backed militia in northern Syria for a second day on Sunday, killing two fighters, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said. Turkey on Saturday demanded the powerful Syrian Kurdish YPG militia withdraw from areas that it had captured in the northern Aleppo region in recent days from insurgents in Syria, including the Menagh air base. The shelling has targeted those areas. The hostility between Turkey and the Kurds goes back a long, long way. The Syrian Kurds are not threatening Turkey in any way right now, but Turkey is using the instability in the region as an excuse to lob artillery shells at a hated enemy. It is an act of naked aggression that the Obama administration should be loudly denouncing. In addition, it is being reported that Syrian government forces have also been getting shelled by the Turkish military… Anatolia news agency reported that the Turkish military hit Syrian government forces on Saturday, adding that the shelling had been in response to fire inflicted on a Turkish military guard post in Turkey’s southern Hatay region. Turkish artillery targeted Syrian forces again late on Saturday, according to a military source quoted by RIA Novosti. The attack targeted the town of Deir Jamal in the Aleppo Governorate. Needless to say, the Russians are quite alarmed by all of this. In fact, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is warning about what could happen if things spiral out of control… In the wake of Saudi Arabia’s proposal to send in ground troops on Thursday, the Russian Prime Minister claimed the move could spark a new world war. “A ground operation draws everyone taking part in it into a war,” he told the Handelsblatt newspaper. “The Americans and our Arab partners must consider whether or not they want a permanent war.” If Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies launch an invasion and make a mad dash to take out the Assad regime in Damascus, the Russians will inevitably respond. And if tactical nuclear weapons are necessary to keep the invading forces out of Damascus, the Russians will not be shy about using them. I don’t know if I have ever seen a scenario which was more likely to initiate World War 3 than the one that we are watching unfold right now. So what has the mainstream media been saying about all of this? Incredibly, they have been almost entirely silent. When he went looking for news about these events, James Bailey could find almost nothing on either Fox News or CNN… I just visited the home page for Foxnews.com and found not one single mention of the insane events now unfolding in the Middle East. I could not believe it, so I used my Find tool to search for Syria and Saudi Arabia. Not one mention! Of course that could change at any moment, but nothing there when I checked. Their stories were all about the meaningless Presidential election, which has already been decided regardless of what we think about it, and other stories about entertainment, sports, Congressional political theater, etc. So I went to CNN and found just about the same thing with one news story about the Syrian cease fire, but when I read it there was no mention of any of the big events that have developed this week. This is truly an amazing media blackout! But Fox News does have space to run headlines like these… –Spanish man skipped work for 6 years, still got paid –48 people rescued from stuck tram cars at New Hampshire ski resort –Lovelorn elephant takes out his rage on more than a dozen cars And CNN apparently thinks that these news stories are more important than the potential beginning of World War 3… If Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies are going to conduct an invasion of Syria, the most likely time for this to happen will be by the end of this month during these military exercises. If we can get to March 1st and no invasion has happened yet, perhaps we can breathe a little sigh of relief. But if it does happen, and the Russians and the Iranians decide to shoot back, it really could be the start of World War 3. If you have not been paying attention up until now, you need to start, because this could literally change everything.
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I have been paying attention; these are the "special forces" Saudi Arabia said they would contribute, but who do we have to blame here? The Saudi who for years have seen conflict on their borders and the ascendency of the hated shiite regime, the Russians who opportunistically worked to shore up an ally, or the US who have supplied all these nations with arms? Who benefits from a war? The arms dealers? and who are the chief arms dealers? Rhetorical question since all are involved in this conflict somewhere, showcasing their arsenals and writing their orders and crying their platitudes in the UN Security Council
Now, that's the real news. Pretty much, most government workers escape work all the time in the USA.
Jeb! and Hillary continue their arms sales to Senator McCain's "rebels" terrorists. They're not taking any chances that peace might break out during an election..... LOL. WW III, also known as the Battle of Ar Mageddon, began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry. And it is steadily escalating into a great worldwide war as prophesied. The Good News is, it is the final battle between good and evil, and the latest face of the 7th head of Satan will ultimately be so soundly defeated (by a US-led coalition of 24 nations dropping "exceedingly great hail") that Satan wont be heard from again for a thousand years.
I was in Iraq on 4 combat tours. Where and when did the Euphrates dry up?
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Of course it has not run dry ....yet . But if Anakara has it's way ,we could see it happening soon. There are some who argue that water resourses is one of the root causes of the conflict in Syria. In 2006, a leaked U.S. State Department cable forecast that Syria’s “emerging water crisis carries the potential for severe economic volatility and even socio-political unrest.” https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS4094_a.html By 2011wheat yields had fallen by over 50 percent. Much of the country’s livestock had died.Drought related crop failure forced 1.5 million farmers to abandon their land.The displaced became the recruiting pool for the Free Syrian Army . http://climateandsecurity.org/2012/02/29/syria-climate-change-drought-and- social-unrest/ Syria and Iraq both have threatened Turkey with military action over Turkey damming up both Tigris and Euphrates rivers and their apparent hegemony over the water supply . The Ataturk dam has reduced the water flow of the Euphrates by a third . The Ilisu and Cizre dam projects threaten to reduce the Tigris by 50% . Turkey's "GAP PLAN" threatens the water supply to the total region ;especially to Iraq . http://www.kurdishherald.com/issue/005/article03.php In the next twelve years, Turkey plans to build an additional 1,700 dams, nearly doubling the total number. Virtually every river in the country will be affected. http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/06/turkeys-dams-are-violating-human-rights-un- report-says/#sthash.kRzOvqBV.dpuf "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
May God bless you. I commend you for doing your part in killing the enemies of Jesus (as we are commanded to do in Luke 19:27). And if you were there in the first deployment of troops in Iraq in April of 2003, you would know that the Euphrates was dry. The lower 50 miles of the Euphrates, and the fertile marshes of the Garden of Eden, was dried up by Saddam Hussein in May, 1994. He did it to prepare the way for the kings of the east in the Battle of Ar Mageddon as prophesied. He did it with a couple dams and a diversion canal that he dubbed "The Mother of All Battles River." It was restored by the "Marsh Arabs" (who claim to have lived there since the days of the Garden of Eden) as soon as the US toppled Hussein. Ar Mageddon means City of the Sanctuary, and it signifies that the final battle between Good and Evil centers around Baghdad, the great city (or Capital) of the first sanctuary, and also Jerusalem the home of 3 great sanctuaries. Both cities will likely end up being split 3 ways, Baghdad and Iraq between the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and Jerusalem between the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Syria, arguably part of the Garden of Eden, may also have to be split 3 ways just as in Iraq. Then there will be peace for a thousand years.
You gotta be kidding.
You gotta be kidding. I'm dead serious. It's in the Bible, Jesus said it, and we need to obey it. I did my share of killing the enemies of Jesus in Viet Nam.
Spoken like a true Crusader.
This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone subscribing to a Jihadi Jesus. Until today, I thought Islam was the only major faith to advocate the execution of unbelievers. Seems Mohammed's dictates have a Christian counterpart, eh? I'm not knocking your Vietnam experiences. I'm not in a position to judge that. War is a terrible thing. But your position of suggesting that Jesus has enemies that should be executed run counter to the core of the Christian message. So how do you know who the enemies of Jesus are? Do you still love these enemies as you are executing them, as Jesus also commanded?
I have nothing against you. I do wish you well.
An enemy of Jesus is defined by Jesus as any one who resists being ruled by a Christian nation. Our personal enemies has nothing to do with the enemies of Jesus. We are to love the one, and kill the other. All of the enemies of Jesus must be killed off, then God's chosen people (Christians and Jews)will rule the earth in peace for a thousand years. They are all killed off in the Battle of Ar Mageddon now underway. Every one in the world will have to take sides in the final battle between good and evil.
Spoken like a true Crusader. I suspect you meant that to be a slur of some sort. But I am proud and honored to be called a Crusader for Christ.
Thank you. My only regret is that I am now too old to go to Iraq or Syria and help kill off the enemies of Jesus.
At most, you can only declare the ancient Pharisees as the enemies of Jesus. We read of their cunning and malice toward Jesus in scripture. Jesus is the savior of mankind and, as such, He has no enemies.
The 6th, 7th and 8th head of Satan are the prophesied enemies of Jesus. They are of course pagan Rome, Muslims (who trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 42 months of years as prophesied), and Hitler the antichrist (who caused 42 months of great tribulation as prophesied).
You forgot that the Grand Turk (caliph) of the Islamic Caliphate (Turkey's Mideast empire which dominated the Arab tribes) was, until the Ottoman collapse following WW I, supposedly the Gog/Magog mentioned in scripture. An immensely powerful nation north of Israel which matched well with scripture. The Scofield bible, a major source of apocalyptic in American Christianity, certainly pointed the finger at the Ottoman empire. That didn't pan out so well, did it? Following the Ottoman collapse and the Turkish retreat to their homeland, Britain/France divvied up the Mideast and drew the boundary lines of the modern Arab states. So we needed a new Gog/Magog. Fortunately, godless communism had arisen in the Russian sphere in the form of the USSR. So the Soviets were the new Gog/Magog for decades. Then the Soviet Union collapsed entirely. Another Gog/Magog that just didn't pan out. The writers of the apocalyptic books who told readers that the Soviets were, beyond a doubt, Gog/Magog didn't offer any refunds. After the Soviet collapse, apocalyptic writers began to suggest that it was the European Union who were the real Gog/Magog. Well, kind of disappointing, eh? During the Reformation, the pope was often depicted as the Antichrist and as Gog/Magog. Again, just when is that going to happen? Many people over the centuries have argued that one king or major power or another were those denoted in prophecy in scripture as "Gog/Magog". None of it has panned out so far. You can't use these as Christian justifications for killing the pagans/heathens in foreign lands in the name of Jesus. Jesus and His disciples believed in converting the heathens/pagans to Christ, not killing them. Even if it meant they were themselves killed in their missionary efforts.
Yes was there in 2003 for the invasion. Still had to cross the Tigris and then Euphrates and there was still water in the river. You may be discussing the greatly reduced marsh land and that is true, but no army could go through the area as they became salt and mud plains. There still exists ample marsh land in the south of Iraq as well. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Oh His enemies will be under His feet for sure...But that is His job to do at the second advent. Justice will be in Christ's Hands, after the rejection of His Grace. Isaiah 61. Until then, patience, long-suffering, Grace. Judgment Day? He will mete out the Justice. So leave vengeance and justice in the Hands of Christ dear interpreter. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I agree with very little that Scoffield said, but I do agree that Muslims, including Ottomon Turks, caused desolation for 1260 years as prophesied. It has nothing to do with Gog and Magog though. That happens a thousand years from now. And Moscow, which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas) is the Great Whore that was briefly aligned with the antichrist before Hitler turned on her.
Justice is carried out by the followers of Jesus. The second advent, when Jesus returned with His kingdom, was in 312 AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds and Jesus appeared to St. Constantine and said "By this, conquer." Ever since that day, called the turning point of history, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth, and have been waging war with the enemies of Jesus as prophesied. And we will rule the earth to the end. Resistance is futile.
I don't share these sentiments in the least. God is far better than this. The love of God is far greater than this and patience is far more longstanding than to simply throw away souls because academic & ideological head knowledge, partially defined by DNA and upbringing, is too far removed in one direction or another. There is a time for all things, including taking a life when circumstances warrant it. But God doesn't need anyone to kill anyone else. Our purpose on earth is to grow spiritually. What happens in the world is not so important. Killing people because of what the do and do not believe is just as wrong when Christians do it as when Muslims do it.
If that were really true there would be less Christians in the world as there currently are Jews. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
So convincing in the era there was art depicting such: For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
All of the maps of Iraq that were made during the 9 year period show the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates as dry. The Jerusalem-Euphrates vector (or way) very accurately points to the three demon-possessed kings of the east who start (have started) the Battle of Ar Mageddon. That is, a line drawn from Jerusalem to the epicenter of where the Euphrates was dried up by Hussein, and then extended eastward, bisects Baghdad, Kabul and Raqqa (the capital of ISIS) like 3 ducks in a row. The first two "kings" have already been deposed and killed, and we are now bombing the hell out of Raqqa. When you extend the vector a bit further to the east, it perfectly bisects Tehran, also identified by George W Bush as part of the Axis of Evil that starts Ar Mageddon.
God's love is a very tough love. The flip side of His love is His wrath, and you don't want to get on that side.
Jesus has left vengeance and justice in the hands of His followers. God more or less follows the Star-Trek directive, which is "Interfere in the life of a planet only when deemed necessary for the survival of the planet and its intelligent life, and then only to the extent necessary.
No, God's love is not tough. And wrath is a human characteristic that is ascribed to God. Why? Because only the weak become angry. And God is not weak at all. God is all wise, all knowing. How then is it even possible to offend an all-wise and all knowing God? It is not possible. It's because of the weakness of people that people think God is subject to such vices as anger and jealousy. When you see a co-worker get angry and start yelling and such, the Christian response is something like "we need to pray for Mike, he's having a bad day". That's because we understand intuitively that such a reaction is a sign of weakness, no matter what it's a reaction to. Yet when God gets angry and jealous, somehow it's okay just because God is God. No, God does not get angry. He never has, and never will. Painting him as angry and wrathful is either a mistaken human personification of God or simply a tool through which to attempt to control the masses. We have complete free will. And any poor decisions or "sin" only impact ourselves only without impacting the love or patience God has for us.
Anyone subscribing to this is truly on par with ISIS type Islamic beheadings. The worst of the worst. I would counter by saying the Earth and all physical life on it, human or otherwise, is expendable. The greater good, infinitely more important, are the souls that inhabit it. God can create a new earth and a new human race easily enough, but each of us, as souls, are more valuable than the entire universe.
It wasn't dry along the last 50 miles of river. I saw it with my own eyes from the sky and ground in 2003, 2006-2008 and 2009-2010. If I am totally wrong then where was this Eastern Army? I ask because they never came over into Iraq. And now if you look at imagery there are no dry spots in the Euphrates. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
That's almost semi-Deist in concept. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I've never heard such malarkey in my life. Have you ever heard of hell? That awaits you in the afterlife if you do not accept God and do your best to please Him and kill His enemies. In the OT, God often commanded the Israelites to kill entire nations, every last man, woman and child except for virgins that they could keep for their pleasure (i.e., to make their concubine or wife). And in the NT, Jesus commands us to kill His enemies. You need to read the Bible instead of making up stuff.
If you claim the lower Euphrates wasn't dry in April 2003 when you arrived in Iraq, then I suggest you either have a very faulty memory or you are a bald-face liar, or perhaps you arrived a bit too late because the Euphrates was restored shortly after the US arrived. I can draw no other conclusion because all the maps show it as dry, and I think there are still a few articles about it on the internet. I can probably find one for you if you want me to. The "way" of the demon-possessed kings of the east is the Jerusalem-dry Euphrates vector that points to all the kings of the East that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. They don't necessarily cross it, though Hussein did and later ISIS did.
What is your point, and what do you mean by almost or semi? God is a deity by any standard, and not almost or semi.
Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Pretty much, just the Pharisees of that era. Also, pharisaic types of any era, I suppose.
Nice photo of dear old Papa. What, you didn't think that Jack Chick invented this genre, did you? ; )
Kinda-sorta. The main difference is, God's closen people win the Battle with the 7th head of Satan, and ISIS loses bad and is killed off.
Luke 19:27
No, human life is not expendable. The earth is, but we are not. We are probably more valuable to God than the entire universe as you say. When we are all killed off a thousand years from now, we are resurrected and those found worthy get to go and live on a new earth without any sea, most likely Mars.
You have the reading comprehension of a child. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. 11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem. 29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, Let me clarify this. In verse 11, Jesus begins a parable because the crowd believes that since they are near Jerusalem, he will soon become king. In verses 12-27, Jesus tells the parable. In verse 28, Jesus has calmed the crowd and then leaves for Jerusalem, having assured them with His parable. Verse 28 does not tell us that Jesus was declaring anyone as His enemy.
I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.
Jesus was telling a parable about a ruler who declared his enemies were to be slain. Jesus was not telling His followers or disciples to slay anyone.
Well then, consider yourself enlightened. This is the first time I've ever heard it claimed that killing God's enemies was a requirement to avoid eternal damnation. At least from a professed Christian. Seems your version of Christianity has a lot in common with Islam. Well it is the victors of war who end up writing the history books. And getting free women out of battles sounds like a great perk, especially when it comes with God's blessing. At least if you are a male beneficiary. Reminds me of how contemporary Muslims are doing that wonderful missionary outreach by raping the women they find, and thereby converting these poor spiritually destitute women into Muslims so they can finally find some peace and meaning in life. Apparently reading the whole bible isn't required. A single verse is all that's needed to understand we are commanded to be Jihadists for Jesus.
The "way" of the demon-possessed kings of the east is the Jerusalem-dry Euphrates vector that points to all the kings of the East that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. They don't necessarily cross it, though Hussein did and later ISIS did. First ISIS did no crossing of the lower Euphrates. That's in Shia dominated Iraq near Basra. Second show me the maps. I had 1 meter satellite imagery available to me whenever needed and that was daily given my job as the Iraqi theatre targeting officer. As a BN 3 I crossed all those bridges in the south and the river was flowing fine. If you are using Google maps give it up as the detail is horrible and you can't tell if the muddy portions of the river are chop or dry ground. That could be your error. Show me the money. The central portion of both the Tigris and Euphrates was fine as well. Our ROPU units treated the water from both rivers for drinking water. So I drank water from both rivers. Finally what demon kings came from the East and crossed on the dry riverbed? None. Perhaps your prediction is yet future. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
My point is God is Sovereign. His Hand is in every event and every breath we take.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
We ARE more valuable than the entire universe. No "probably" about it. We agree on that. However, human life IS expendable. The rub is this: We are not primarily human, and there is nothing intrinsically holy or spiritual about the humanity. We are primarily souls, and human conception/birth does not cause a soul to come into existence. Why would it? Souls are created outside of this earth, this universe. And we as souls inhabit the human bodies we live in. We as souls are more valuable than the universe, but our bodies are completely expendable.
I believe you mistook my point. Christ will come again to judge at His second coming. I believe most creedal Christian traditions hold this as indisputable truth as we see in Matthew 24-25 and reinforced in epistles and Revelation. I was not making the point of Christians taking temporal judgment in their own hands. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
What, you didn't think that Jack Chick invented this genre, did you? ; ) The uncanny design is Chickesque. ;) For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Exactly. Jesus never told his followers to kill Pharisees or Roman occupiers. Jesus taught to turn the other cheek.
Bad theology usually starts with the plucking of an OT verse and ends with an eisegesis of a NT parable. Luke 19:27 can easily be placed at Christ's second coming as seen in Revelation 19. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate on something. I hope you don't mind. I'll say at the outset and again in closing what I already said above: I hold nothing against you whatsoever. You were in Vietnam. You implied on this thread that you have done a service to God by killing "enemies of Jesus". I'm sure many of these "enemies" were armed. But perhaps some were unarmed. Perhaps some were unarmed women or unarmed children? Perhaps after your tour of duty ended, you struggled with some guilt over what you did or participated in? In your effort to find some solice, some escape from the guilt, you found this Bible verse which gave you a way out from guilt. By believing it, you could finally get some peace that what you did was okay to do, because you were now following God's orders, not some platoon sergeant's, and not your own. We are capable of believing pretty much anything under the sun. I guess it's a human nature thing, and one of the reasons beliefs not just about faith but about every else from politics and morals, health, vary so much. That's one of the reasons I've personally stepped away from the dogma that says that you have to believe some certain academic truth or God will send you to hell for all eternity. Somehow, I cannot believe that God would be so shallow, especially when what we "believe", to the extent something truly can be, is limited by the biochemical synaptic nerve firings in the brain, in which our own DNA may even play a role. In any event, the reason you have such hardened confidence in this single bible verse is because it makes your past actions in Vietnam much easier to live with. Again, I hope you don't mind my speculation, and again, I hold nothing against you, even if it may be true that you would consider me one of these "enemies" referred to in the Bible, such that if we ever met in person, you might see fit to kill me on the spot. I don't consider you an enemy. And there is nothing any man can take from any other, even his life, that God cannot and does not undo. That is a truth anyone can take solace in.
Intrepreter should be false intrepreter.
I wouldn't go that far. I was just taking exception to the term "enemy of Christ". If you are to take that position, you should have multiple portions of red-letter scripture with Jesus plainly declaring His enemies. Otherwise, you can use the term to justify any act of killing, something not unknown with the Crusaders and with the Catholic system more broadly. Lots of people have been killed using this as an excuse but it's just murder.
Sorry, double post.
Luke 19:27 can easily be placed at Christ's second coming as seen in Revelation 19. Indeed, Luke 19:27 is definitely referring to Christ's second coming. And the history books tell us that the second coming, when Jesus returned with a kingdom, occurred on Oct. 28th, 312AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds, and Jesus appeared to Constantine and said "By this conquer." Constantine always rode a white horse or rode in a chariot pulled by white horses as in his triumphant entry into Rome when he rode in a chariot pulled by seven white horses. And he conquered all the known world for Jesus with a bow as also prophesied. And he sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together (to Nicea) as prophesied in the Gospels. The 5th horseman of chapter 19 that you allude to is not Jesus (despite what you and many other Christians have concluded), but he is indeed the final installment of the second coming and fulfills all the prophesies that the first four horsemen didn't fulfill. I believe the 5th horseman is Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbs. His name is said to be the Word of God which signifies he is a Slav. (Slav is short for Slovo which means "Word of God"). The name of his horse is said to be "Faithful and True" which is the definition of Orthodox, and signifies that he rides the Orthodox Church into power (as did the first horseman). And, as General Ratko announced in a loud voice to the birds, standing in the sun on the World News, the Srebronica Massacre (that he was about to carry out) is the fulfillment of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb that results in thousands of corpses for the birds of the air to feast on. His exact words are quoted in verses 17-18. At some point the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus, i.e, the US, will grow old and decline in power as all the other horseman have done, and will be replaced by the next horseman. And I am fairly certain that the Serbs will rule the earth with a rod of iron -- if what they have done so far in the Serb controlled nations of Serbia, Republica Srpska, Montenegro, and Kosovo is any indication. More than any other Christian nation in history, they excel at obeying the command of Jesus to kill His enemies. And sometimes, Serbian Martyrs riding on white horses lead them into Battle (as is well documented in a WW I battle). At other times, Serbian priests lead the Serbs into battle sitting on the turret of a tank.
That was before the second coming when Christians came to be in the majority and were able to amass the world's most powerful armies (with a little help from Jesus). Constantine was able to kill off all the Roman occupiers like Jesus wanted to do in 30 AD (but His followers couldn't come up with enough swords at that time). Since 312 AD we have had enough swords (which Jesus came to bring).
Jesus also said He came not to bring peace, but a sword. And he told His disciples, if they didn't own a sword, to sell the shirt of their back and buy one. How many verses do you want? And Jesus very clearly defines who His enemies are that we are commanded to kill. The Crusaders did an excellent job of killing the enemies of Jesus in the first Crusade but yes they were not perfect and killed many innocents in later Crusades as you allude to.
Don't worry, you are not going to be killed by me or any other Christian soldier unless of course if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US). Many Americans are likely to be killed by the enemies of Jesus though (i.e., by ISIS). They are who you need to worry about.
Whew!! That's such a relief. Thank you. But having read your other posts, I gotta say that, dude, you are really *out there*. Hehe... I'm familiar with the teachings of a number of Christian denominations, and what you are saying is quite a bit removed from what the others I know of teach. I thought when Jesus comes back, it would be in a fashion that no one would be able to deny, as lightning flashes from the east to the west, and with every knee bowing. That sort of thing. And whatever happened in 312 AD or so apparently failed to make that universal, irrevocable impression. But, you are in good company, I guess. There are people here who consider me "out there" as well with my views. But at least I have the advantage of having my views shared by others. Are your views shared by others or are they ones you came to on your own? I'm curious.
Does a christian nation have faggot pretend marriage?
The vast majority of my interpretations of the Revelation are entirely my own, which took 50 years of extensive study to develop. But the Geneva Bible (carried by the Puritans) correctly identifies the first horseman as Constantine in the marginal notes, and long before that, the Patriarch of Jerusalem correctly identified the prophesied abomination of desolation in the Holy Spot as being Muslims and the Dome on the Rock.
You may have a valid point there. I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons God will soon replace the US with the 5th horseman.
As every one knows, any theory can only be proven by its ability to predict things. That includes eschatological theories. So in 1992 I began to test my theory by predicting things. Every year since then I have made my annual predictions, and every one of them have come true with 100 % accuracy. Meanwhile, Hal Lindsay and hundreds of other eschatologists have also made many predictions, and not one of them has ever come to pass as far as I know. In OT days they would have been stoned to death after making even one false prophecy. They are the main reason the world is laughing at Christians and Christianity. I aim to change that by getting my predictions out there for all the world to see and then Christianity will be respected again. You can see my latest predictions at the7lastplagues.com. This year all of my predictions were fulfilled early, and something told me (and I believe it was God and/or His Holy Spirit) to post my predictions early. I usually post my predictions on December 31st, but this time I posted my predictions 4 weeks early. Exactly 24 hours later, prediction # 6, "Muslim immigrants will stage a Paris-style attack in the US" came true (in San Bernardino) A couple weeks after that, news began to break about the toxic water in Flint (prediction # 3), and a few day after that news began to break about a new disease called the Zika virus (prediction # 5). I have accurately predicted all the major events of the last 25 Years, but if I had not published by predictions early this time I would have missed three important events and my distractors could have accused me of missing 3 important events. God is good. There is no way anyone can legitimately call me a misinterpreter. PS. The big news today is that January was the hottest month of all time by far. Temperatures in the artic were 7 degrees above normal. I'm pretty sure my prediction # 4 (that 2016 will be hottest year on record by far) is safe.
Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me. Here's a top ten list:
Here's a top ten list: I take great pride in my ability to predict things, but predicting horses is not one of them. Your welcome to ask me anything else.
I would invite you to post your predictions here for us to see in advance, if you don't mind the scrutiny. You choose the nature of it. Sometimes predictions are reasonably obtuse, such that their coming true is reasonably inescapable. And sometimes predictions are open ended time wise such that waiting long enough inevitably generates an event sufficiently matching the prediction. An impressive prediction is limited in time span for the event to occur, and also sufficiently detailed. Having both attributes rules out random chance as a significant crediting factor in the prediction. In the spiritual model as I see it, likely aspects of the future are known, at least when viewed from the spirit world. To an extent, at the soul / deepest subconscious level, we usually have a pretty good idea of what will happen in terms of significant events, including life-changing accidents and such. Mostly this is in terms of our personal life events, but gifts are far ranging for all of us. So by way of disclaimer, I do not consider one's ability to predict the future accurately, or any other spiritual gift, to be proof that the person's theological understanding is accurate. The two are mutually exclusive. Still, if you claim this ability, I would be interested in seeing it in action.
Sometimes predictions are reasonably obtuse, such that their coming true is reasonably inescapable. And sometimes predictions are open ended time wise such that waiting long enough inevitably generates an event sufficiently matching the prediction. An impressive prediction is limited in time span for the event to occur, and also sufficiently detailed. Having both attributes rules out random chance as a significant crediting factor in the prediction. In the spiritual model as I see it, likely aspects of the future are known, at least when viewed from the spirit world. To an extent, at the soul / deepest subconscious level, we usually have a pretty good idea of what will happen in terms of significant events, including life-changing accidents and such. Mostly this is in terms of our personal life events, but gifts are far ranging for all of us. So by way of disclaimer, I do not consider one's ability to predict the future accurately, or any other spiritual gift, to be proof that the person's theological understanding is accurate. The two are mutually exclusive. Still, if you claim this ability, I would be interested in seeing it in action. I posted my annual predictions on Liberty's Flame at the same time I posted them on the7lastplagues.com, back on Dec. 4th in "2016 in Bible Prophecy." That was my first post on LF. As far as you wanting my predictions to fit your definition of a good prediction, I can only repeat and expand on what the Revelation says. On my website, from time to time I expand on my predictions and occasionally add new predictions, so you will want to go there if you want to see all my predictions.
Here's a top ten list: www.horseracingnation.com...ipses_Big_Ten_201622_123# LOL that was hilarious Fred. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Hey, can't blame me for trying to get a life-changing score on the big race.
Hey, I can tell you the score of the next Super Bowl before the game begins.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I would expect such out of Biff first. What happened to him BTW? For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I hope you know that Biff Tannen's character was based on Donald Trump. Rich kid, arrogant, wiff money and the power that that exudes.
How do they know this is happening, though? Also Turkey and Saudi Arabia got balls coming after Russia. I respect that.
Okay, well I found them and read them. Can't score you too many points on the San Bernardino though. After the Paris attacks, that was a pretty easy guess. ISIS themselves are calling for a hit in England. I was even calling for a major hit in the USA before 9/11, circa 1997/98. To refresh: Gotta say, numbers 1, 3 & 5 are rather vague. #2 & 4 are more particular. Have to wait till year end and see. There's already disagreement on this thread about the rivers in question being dry or not. We'll see about Montenegro. That's a country smaller than most western cities so their joining NATO might be surprising. No, you are not allowed to expand on predictions. At least not after the time frame starts. That's cheating!
You missed the falling heavens
Yes, about half of America and especially Trump and Cruz was telling Obama that there would be a Paris-style attack if we let in more Muslim immigrants, but he did it anyhow. I sent my predictions to all the major newspapers in the US, but none of them would publish them because I said there would be a terrorist attack in the US staged by Muslim immigrants. And I sent a British version of my predictions to all the major newspapers in Britain that predicted there would be a Paris-style attack there as well (staged by Islamic immigrants) but they also refused to publish such a politically incorrect statement. But I tried my best to warn everybody, and if I knew any German I would have sent a version of my predictions there where there is the greatest danger of a major attack because of the 1 million Muslim immigrants taken in last year. I didn't make my prediction about a major hit in the USA in 97 or 98 like you did, but waited until the eve of 2001 because the Bible indicates the Battle of Ar Mageddon begins at the start of the Great Day of God Almighty which is the 7th 1000 year day of the Genesis 1 prophecy. That of course is the beginning of the 3rd millenniun AD, or 2001. And the Revelation says the Euphrates would be dry at that time, and I knew that the lower Euphrates was dry, so yes, it was pretty much a no-brainer to anyone who knows the Bible and watches the news. But no one said it except me as far as I know, although some Christians were saying Jesus would come back at that time. The third millennium AD is called That Great Day of God Almighty because the Battle of Ar Mageddon results in the latest face of the 7th head of Satan being so soundly defeated (by a US-led coalition of 24 nations dropping "exceedingly great hail") that He wont be heard from again for a thousand years, allowing the 24 Christian nations to rule the Earth for Jesus in peace for a millennium.
Not really. There was a major meteor shower (or falling stars) on Oct. 27th, 312 AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the sky and Jesus returned with a kingdom.
If I am a bit vague in a few cases, it is because the Revelation is a bit vague. You don't have to wait until the end of the year to see if my predictions come true or not. Most all of them have already come true, or at least in part. Far example, January was the hottest month in the history of earth, and by far. And NATO has already invited Montenegro to join NATO and all that is left is for Montenegrins to vote on it. Yes, Montenegro is the smallest nation on earth, but the Serbs, and especially the Montnegrins, are known as the fiercest fighters on earth. Montenegro is the only eastern European nation that was never conquered by the Islamic hordes. They couldn't do it. When the Turks managed to take one Montenegrin city, the Serbs regrouped on Montenegro (the tiny nation is essentially one big mountain with a lot of places to hide and regroup) and then swooped down and killed every last man, woman and child. They still sing a song about it to this day.
Okay, looking this up, on Dec 2, 2015 Montenegro was asked to join NATO. That was 3 weeks prior to your prediction that they would end up joining. So your prediction is not a Revelation prediction. It's a CNN prediction. There's no points scored there, buddy.
So your prediction is not a Revelation prediction. It's a CNN prediction. Two days before. All of my predictions are a result of comparing the news to the Revelation.
Unlike Hal Lindsay, et al, I have never had to change even one of my predictions. I credit Hal Lindsay for rekindling my interest in the Revelation in 1969 with "The Late, Great Planet Earth." But none of his predictions came true, so he published another book a few years later, where he modified his predictions a little and republished them. When none of those prediction came true, he published another book. And now he is on TV so he can (and does) modify his predictions almost daily. As far as me expanding on my predictions, they are a short poem (that has to rhyme), and it has to be very brief and concise to be submitted to newspapers, who limit submissions to so many words. So I have added more details, and some new but related predictions, in my blog.
Montenegro formally asked to join NATO on Dec 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Montenegro_to_NATO Your first post here on LF predicting their joining was Dec 22, 20 days later. Do you have another public posting which predates Dec 2? And Montenegro was *formally* asked on Dec 2, suggesting it was well in the air before Dec 2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Montenegro_to_NATO Your first post here on LF predicting their joining was Dec 22, 20 days later. Do you have another public posting which predates Dec 2? And Montenegro was *formally* asked on Dec 2, suggesting it was well in the air before Dec 2. I posted my annual predictions on the7lastplagues.com on December 4th, 2 days later. Then a bit later I heard about Liberty's Flame, and posted them here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Montenegro_to_NATO Your first post here on LF predicting their joining was Dec 22, 20 days later. Do you have another public posting which predates Dec 2? And Montenegro was *formally* asked on Dec 2, suggesting it was well in the air before Dec 2. If you didn't like that one, let me make a new prediction. At some point all the Serbs in Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia will unite as one in Greater Serbia as also prophesied by Serbia's flag. Then the Serbs will be one of the biggest nations in NATO and someday surpass the US in power. I plan to add that to my website at some point, probably in 2017 in Bible Prophecy.
Dream on. Wasn't there such a nation once it was called Yugoslavia, at no time in it's wildest dreams was it as powerful as the US or other European nations
It could have been, except for Yugoslavia included a lot of Muslims and Roman Catholics and atheists, and was doomed to failure. There wont be any Muslims or Catholics or atheists in the coming Greater Serbia.
In the 4th century, soon after Jesus returned, pretty much all the known world became Christians and bowed to Jesus (in Church). It pretty much stayed that way for three centuries, until the 7th head of Satan appeared on the scene (i.e, Mohammed and his followers). It is true that the excommunicated Arian Christians (deemed heretics) captured much of the known world including Rome, but they too bowed to Jesus.
In this orthadox utopia do you intend to put all others to the sword?
That's up to the Serbs not me, but I suspect most of them will simply be deported from Serbian lands.
(Cont'd) Virtually every eye on earth saw the sign of Christ in the sky. If it was too cloudy or they didn't venture outside that night, they soon saw it on all Roman armor, and on Roman coins, and in all churches. It is still prominently displayed in all Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches to this day. So there is no way anyone can say it didn't make a great, lasting and universal impression.
You're a nut job.
I think he fits in just fine around these parts. :)
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I posted my annual predictions on the7lastplagues.com on December 4th, 2 days later. Then a bit later I heard about Liberty's Flame, and posted them here. Dec 4 is still two days after Montenegro was asked to join NATO. So predicting they would say yes is hardly anything that could be credited to some kind of divine inspiration. You may be skilled at deriving likely world events by paying attention to the news, but there's nothing suggesting that your references with Revelation are contributing to any success you may be having in that field. The bulk of Revelation is extremely symbolic to the point where symbols could be matched up to just about anything the reader wishes.
Saying "at some point" doesn't pass the prophecy test. You have to give a window of time in which it will happen as it's simply not acceptable to perpetually say to wait a little longer. No dice. While some of your predictions for 2016 are somewhat higher quality, on at least the Montenegro/NATO prediction, I have to award you the "I award you no points" award.
No dice. While some of your predictions for 2016 are somewhat higher quality, on at least the Montenegro/NATO prediction, I have to award you the "I award you no points" award. I said I would predict it when the time comes, probably in 2017 in Bible Prophecy. What more do you want? I certainly don't want to get ahead of God's timetable and have people call me a false prophet.
You may be skilled at deriving likely world events by paying attention to the news, but there's nothing suggesting that your references with Revelation are contributing to any success you may be having in that field. The bulk of Revelation is extremely symbolic to the point where symbols could be matched up to just about anything the reader wishes. You couldn't be more wrong. Everything I say is based on the Revelation. The Revelation clearly signifies that 24 Christian nations will kill off the latest face of the 7th head of Satan, and Satan wont be heard from again for a thousand years, allowing those 24 nations to rule the earth in peace for Jesus for a millennium. And it signifies that one of the 24 nations is the 5th horseman (who is described in great detail in chapter 19, and can only be Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbs.
You are a complete idiot.
Well, seeing how you already advocated the murder/genocide of entire peoples based on their theological beliefs, I think you're past that point already, honestly. That alone has put you in the same murderous camp as Islamic "extremists", if that is what they are, who do the exact same thing for the exact same reason. You are perfectly content to deprive people of the full life that God gave them, depriving them of the full opportunity to become enlightened to Christianity, choosing arrogantly to kill them based on a single bible verse rather than willingly consider other verses where Jesus instructs disciples to do no more than shake the dust off their feet as they leave a town that rejects the message. You miss the entire boat. Hell, you're missing the entire ocean that the boat is in. Even if you end up being right on your predictions, even if 100% right, do you really think that's what impresses God? I'll tell you what I believe. God loves all of us, and He really doesn't care about our head knowledge which is all too often simply a result of our upbringing, and by that I'm referring to theology. God does not become angry, jealous or wrathful, all of which are characteristics of weakness, and completely inconsistent of an entity that is already understood to be endless in wisdom and knowledge. (Tell me how it is possible to piss off someone who already knows all there is to know about you, everything you are ever going to do, and who loves you more than you could ever fathom? You can't!!! LOL) And why would this same God, who is all-powerful in ADDITION to being all wise and all knowing, bother to create an entire spiritual system where the vast majority of his children end up burning in hell forever? That's one question never asked, as it's always simply assumed that God had no control over the matter of sin and hell, certainly implying that he's not quite so all powerful as otherwise advertised. Our purpose on earth is hardly to promote the glory of God, at least in the sense of promoting an alleged divine sense of narcissism that this all wise and all knowing God supposedly possesses. That as though it is really important to an all powerful God what even an entire planet full of people living on a tiny speck of dust in the universe thinks of him. Our purpose on earth is simply to grow. We all came here with that mission. We are here primarily for the benefit of ourselves, to overcome vices and pains. To learn to become loving examples to those around us even in the face of tragedy and adversity -- things which, in this context, take on a spiritual purpose & meaning, and I'm talking about things even so severe as when parents have a young child die. There is a practical purpose for it, for the direct benefit of the parents. It's not simply because God wants another angel and he doesn't care about the parents. Nothing could be more untrue. Interpreter, we are immortal. All of us. Our bodies are mortal, but we as souls are not, which is why the contents of our mortal brains is of no importance. Our immortal souls are where the bulk of our identity resides, including our virtues and vices, both of which we are here on earth to embellish an overcome, respectively. And yes, one lifetime is usually insufficient to overcome such things, but when the soul is immortal, there is no reason to be limited to a single lifetime. In the end, we have God who is all wise, all knowing, all powerful, all loving, and endlessly patient, and never condemning. We have complete free will, and yet complete accountability for our actions, and very pragmatic reasons for life's pains and troubles. There is no need for any hell to exist that swallows up the vast majority of us, all of us being the recipients of incomprehensible love. This is, objectively speaking, a theology which has superior qualities to the basic Christian model -- not that the result of such a comparison is, by itself, proof of truth, but it's something that ought to be considered by any open mind. Nor would I say that Christianity is completely wrong or a bad faith. Neither is true, as there are many good and theologically accurate qualities true Christianity has. But I would maintain that your predictions, even if 100% accurate (which I'm not convinced of), are completely irrelevant. My best to you...
Then you are 100 % wrong. The fulfillment of 100 % of my predictions since 1992 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that my eschatology including my theology is 100 % right. And God often calls for the murder/genocide of entire peoples (like ISIS), and it is entirely based on their theological beliefs. God's love is a very tough love.
God doesn't do this as a general rule. You cannot make a rule out of an instance otherwise you are a pharassee. God determined that the cannanites were a people who worshiped Baal and made human sacrifice, therefore he told the Israelites to drive them out so they wouldn't be contaminated. Hey told the Israelites to destroy the amalakites for their practices also. I don't recall he told the jews to destroy the romans and they were pagans. The israelites failed in these tasks thus we have problems today as a result park that in your es eschatology He may choose to judge Daesh in the same way because of their practices, we shall see
He may choose to judge Daesh in the same way because of their practices, we shall see God makes the rules not me. And by your own admission, God often called for the Israelites to wipe out entire nations, including every man, woman and child with the exception of the virgins who they were allowed to keep for their pleasure. His general rule is, those who kill His chosen people (chosen to rule the earth) must be killed off. The Israelites did an excellent job of killing off their enemies except when it came to the Roman pagans who were too powerful. That had to wait for the second coming of Jesus. The three big enemies of Jesus that have been, or will be, killed off are pagan Rome, Hitler and his followers, and Muslims (maybe not all Muslims but at least Al Qaida/ISIS types). They are the 6th, 7th and 8th heads of Satan. When the last militant Muslim is dead, God's chosen people will rule the earth in peace for a thousand years.
I've said my peace. Good luck to you.
Have you wondered why he has allowed Muslim to persist for 1400 years?
Cannanites, Amalakites and large part of the Jews became Christians. Islam came several centuries later. Palestinians were majority Christian for centuries after Muslim conquest and their DNA is very similar to the Sephardi Jews.
The pagan Roman Empire also lasted for hundreds of years -- until Christians became strong enough to defeat it. I predict that Islam will likewise be defeated and very soon --when Trump is elected president, and also 23 strong leaders in Europe are elected to replace the Muslim-lovers now in power.
your sense of history is a bit off, christianity was absorbed by the roman empire, the barbarians defeated the western roman empire and the muslims defeated the eastern roman empire. Empires inevietably decline. Sometimes it takes centuries, sometimes less. The soviet empire was gone in 70 years, the US should learn the lessons and realise it is well on the way
It is your revisionist history that is off. Christianity conquered or I guess you could say "absorbed" the Roman Empire and not the other way around. And Christianized Rome was indeed attacked once by Barbarians, but they didn't come close to defeating the western Roman Empire, and they soon became Christians, so it is a moot point. And Rome was conquered a few years later by Arian Christians who were deemed heretical and were excommunicated by the first ecumenical council, but they were still devout Christians and in later years they rejoined the established Church and/or died out, so it too is a moot point. Christians will rule the earth to the end, and resistance is futile as the history books prove. It is true that Muslims conquered Constantinople and most of the eastern Roman Empire, but most of the territory has since been retaken by Christians. And when one Christian superpower declines, and/or is conquered, another one pops up. The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth. And yes, the US will also decline at some point, but we will be replaced by the 5th horseman. Like I said, resistance is futile.
You are a complete ignorant slut unworthy of posting on LF. I am recommending to Moderator X that your keyboard be muffled here, on LF.
Actually, the Bible says that we lose in the end. The faithful are engulfed by evil and fail and are oppressed. Only once the Christians are defeated and being wiped out for good does God then intervene and kill everybody with the end of the world. Then comes the universal resurrection and the eucatastrophe, for the Christians, of final judgment. The evil are thrown into the fire, and the Christians enter the City of God, which comes to earth. The history books only tell us what has happened. The Christian scriptures tell us what will happen, and unfortunately they tell us that we lose, and it's God himself who then ends the earth and reverses the result. Our destiny as Christians on this earth is not to triumph, but to be conquered and fall. We are fighting the long defeat. God told us that all along. We are fighting the long defeat, but not without glimpses of the joy of the final victory, which will not be done by Christian hands but by the hands of angels. Ultimately, Christians fail and the world is engulfed in darkness. It is God himself, not men, who wins the final victory. We die, and are rescued after death, by God. The future of men of goodwill on this earth is ultimately bleak. But after defeat, the victory - at God's hands, not ours.
The only thing that follows the pale horse is death
I disagree. The US, now the earth's only superpower, is the strongest nation on earth by far, and the 5th horseman will be even stronger. And the Bible signifies that a coalition of 24 Christian nations will soon defeat the latest face of the 7th head of Satan (ISIS) and then Satan wont be heard from again for a thousand years, allowing the 24 thrones to rule the earth in peace for a millennium. It is true that, after the 1000 years, Satan returns and causes his followers to attack the saints, and that causes the earth to be destroyed by fire. To me, it sounds like the Bible is talking about the fulfillment of the oft-predicted and much-feared MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) that is sure to result from all-out nuclear war (and our weapons will likely be even more scary a thousand years from now). But I have no doubt that it is God's will because He would probably prefer to let the earth be destroyed rather than let Satan and his followers win. Anyhow, everyone dies, and then God resurrects everyone and judges everybody. Those found worthy get to go to a new earth without any sea (most likely Mars) where God will provide a giant enclosed structure complete with water and everything they need. The others are thrown back into the lake of fire that the earth has become.
Our weapons bring hell and death to the enemies of Jesus.
Your weapons bring hell and death and they don't discrimate, The US isn't interested in Jesus, it is interested in furthering the works of satan, pleasing only itsself. In case you haven't noticed capitalism is the antithesis of kingdom thinking
Several years ago, I dreamt that I was being wisked from planet Earth and was in this sleep position and half-awake. From a distance in Space, I was watching Earth completely being engulfed in flames all over. I mourned over this as that was once my home and I felt so alone just floating about in Space wondering where my next home would be. Then I woke up.
Long before Washington and his cronies made America into a united corporation, the name America was founded by Amerigo Vespucci https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci and every year that Columbus Day arrives as a holiday, I have to wonder how many people have been duped into this grand lie about Columbus. Just think about it, if you created something or discovered something should not it be named after you?
Wrong. The US was founded by Christians, and our weapons to this day are controlled by Christians (through our votes). Capitalism is how we raised the money to pay for our superior but very expensive weapons. They are used only to kill the followers of Satan (ISIS, Al Qaida, etc).
I'll check back on your prediction at the appropriate time.
Don't waste your tyme, Fred. This poster is an absolute lunatic thriving on pure, unadulterated bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci and every year that Columbus Day arrives as a holiday, I have to wonder how many people have been duped into this grand lie about Columbus. Just think about it, if you created something or discovered something should not it be named after you? All that has very little to do with the US. What later became the US was discovered by, and settled by, English Christians. All of the founding fathers of our nation were Episcopalians, and the only nations allowed by God to rule the earth are the nations founded by a Church descended from St. Peter. They are the only legitimate Churches and the gates of hell cannot prevail against them. And until Obama, most of our presidents were members of a Church descended from St. Peter. But last year, because some Episcopalian priests started performing same-sex marriages, myself and all Episcopalians were excommunicated from the mother Church (the Anglican Church which was founded in 47AD by St. Mark who was sent by St. Peter). And it appears the US is about to elect a Presbyterian who cant correctly quote one Bible verse. Trump is the best choice we have, but I fear for the future. At some point, God is going to loose patience with the US and replace us with the 5th horseman (as is prophesied).
Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man ... you are a complete blithering idiot.
I'll check back on your prediction at the appropriate time. I meant of course that all Islamic militants will soon be defeated and killed off (by a coalition led by Trump). Some Muslims are peace-loving and don't need to be killed.
Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man ... you are a complete blithering idiot. Have you ever read a world history book? Evidently not, or you would know that I am 100% right as I always am. You cannot point to one thing I've said that isn't true.
I'll point to it when the time comes.
You are such an imbecile about facts and truth, I prefer to berate you as opposed to debate you in anyway.
I know one thing for sure you have not read any authorative text on world history or biblical intrepretation
I have read many world history books and they all say Jesus returned in 312AD, on Oct. 27th, and they all call that day the turning point of history because ever since that day Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. And they all say that the 4 superpowers to have ruled the earth (or been the dominant force) since that day were founded by a Church descended from the first century Church established by Peter. As for reading any authoritative interpretation on the Revelation, I don't think there is one. On the rest of the Bible sure. Before I joined the Episcopal Church I read every word of the Book of Common Prayer, which contains all of the official Church doctrine, and I agree with 99% of it so I eventually joined the Church. The first Episcopal Church I tried to join wouldn't let me join because of the 1 % that I didn't agree with, but the 2nd one I visited did let me join thank God. And I have read the official doctrine of several other Churches but I don't agree with much of what they had to say so I didn't join their Church.
What a load of rubbish, cite for me where it says that in the Book of Common Prayer
What chapter and verse is that foretold in.
No he didn' kook.
Interesting. Could you please cite a history book as a source for this. I have never heard of that date before.
Here, look at this: www.historychannel.com.au...ees-a-vision-of-the-cross I had to look it up.
Given the year 312 I figured it was Constantine's vision at the Milvian Bridge, but why would seeing a cross in the sky be a sign of Christ's return. I myself saw the Holy Dove, which flew into my face and knocked me down, driving away a visible demon that was attacking my mind, a few years ago. A personal visitation or revelation doesn't mean that Christ has returned. When Christ returns, it is to be on a cloud in glory and it marks the end. A sign in the sky that empowers Constantine is certainly divine in origin, but it didn't signify Christ's return in glory.
Did it look like this?
Sort of, yes. It was white, had black eyes and an orange beak and feet. It hovered in the air above me, flapping as I looked up at it. Then it dove downwards, looking somewhat like that as it came. It's beak passed through the bridge of my nose between my eyes, and the leading edges of its wings passed edge on straight THROUGH my eyes, with the tips of the wings whisping through the outer corners of my eyes. I was knocked flat by the impact. It passed INTO my head, and as it did, my head exploded with the most brilliant of lights, that filled my whole body with utter joy and utter peace. It was the single most wonderful moment of my life. The second most wonderful was being embraced by Jesus in a dream, but that was a dream - maybe a revelation, maybe just a dream. The "Dove strike" was a wide awake broad daylight event. The demon that had me in a mind-lock was gone.
That's just your opinion.
It may have come back in an invisible form, but at that moment, in its visible form, it fled. And all of the ideas that it was pressing were cut off by the peace and light. That's what happened. Let's talk about something else.
You could just be ... the complete embodiment of pure evil. Evil looks at itself, never recoginising what it is.
His cronies? Are you sh*tting me? One of the world's great leaders, who defeated the brits and established our government. Silly canadian, do less drugs and you won't have any more "little trips into outspace".
Muahahahahaha! Eh...doesn't seem likely. How would I know that I was the "complete embodiment of pure evil"? I'd figure that I've have the trappings of things that Satan promises to people...wealth (nope), power (nope), lots and lots of sex with lots of interesting partners (not for over a quarter century). I'd figure my kid would be bad and my wife would be gone. I"d figure I wouldn't agonize over things like the death of a goldfish or a mouse or a lizard. I'd figure that I'd have tried all sorts of drugs, because, you know, sensuousness. I am pretty good looking, so I guess I have that going for me - but that's a gift from God, not a mark of evil. Angels are beautiful. Curiously, the Gematria number of my name is the same as the name "Jesus of Nazareth" and "Shroud of Turin" (and that number is 1128, not 666). So if the Jewish kabbalists are correct it would be no surprise to them that I have a particular delight in the specific words of Jesus of Nazareth, and a particular affinity for the Shroud of Turin. And I am Basque, and our own story of our own origins - given that we are unrelated to any other people on earth - is that we are Nephilim, descended from the offspring of the matings of angels and a woman or a few women after the Flood. That would explain the weird language, the odd blood type, the difficulty of cross-fertility with others, and other assorted weirdness. There are those would say that Nephilim are literally the embodiment of evil, physical descendants of fallen angels. But Jesus would never say that. So no, I'm not the embodiment of evil. Or if I am supposed to be, I'm really crappy at it.
Says what? If your talking about the return of Jesus in 312 AD, that is not mentioned in the BCP. According to the Constantinople version of the Nicene Creed (used by the Episcopalians and most Churches), the return of Jesus is in the future. But the original Nicene Creed, before Constantinople added some controversial words to it which led to great schisms, can be interpreted to mean Jesus had already come. (My view of the Nicene Creed is why I was not allowed to join the first Episcopal Church I tried to join).
I'm not a Canadian. I'm an American citizen. My drug of choice is two cups of coffee a day. Instead of hurling insults at other posters, calcon, perhaps you really should do some research and fact-finding before you post garbage like what you did. Post something that has actual substance to it instead of useless drivel.
First of all NONE of our Founding Fathers EVER founded this country on any form of religion at all. It may be that the reason they didn't was because they wanted to be free from religious persecution. In the Old World (Europe), you had (and still do to this day) to be associated with a religion, in order to be accepted in society or face death. The United States was never founded on any form of religion and proof of that lies in the First Amendment. Please refer to here regarding Establishment Clause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause
Like many things in the Revelation, you have to read several verses and put two and two together. The 24 thrones are first seen in the vision of heaven (in chapter 4, verse 4). The things seen in heaven reflect (or signify)what will also happen on earth at some point. The thrones are next mentioned in chapter 20, verse 4 -- which occurs after the last vistage of Satan is soundly defeated (in the Battle of Ar Mageddon now underway) and Satan is locked away for a thousand years. In verse 4 John says, "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgement was committed to them ... for a thousand years." The best way to know what the Revelation is talking about is to compare it to the news. If you have been watching the news, you know that a 24th Christian nation will be added to NATO this year. And you would know that many nations in NATO are calling for NATO to launch a major offensive against ISIS.
Please refer to here regarding Establishment Clause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause LOL. George Washington and several other founders said US laws should be based on the Bible. The establishment clause only says the US government is not to establish a national Church that everyone has to belong to. We are free to join any Church we want to join. For close to 200 years there were only Christians in the US except for a sprinkling of Jews and maybe an atheist or two and maybe a few (but very few) Muslims who snuck in illegally. Then in 1965, LBJ and the Democrats got a wild hair up their ass and enacted the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 that let pagans in by the droves. Attempting to be "multicultural" has proved to be a disastrous experiment, and the law needs to be repealed ASAP.
I myself saw the Holy Dove, which flew into my face and knocked me down, driving away a visible demon that was attacking my mind, a few years ago. A personal visitation or revelation doesn't mean that Christ has returned. When Christ returns, it is to be on a cloud in glory and it marks the end. A sign in the sky that empowers Constantine is certainly divine in origin, but it didn't signify Christ's return in glory. LOL. It was not a "vision" and it wasn't a cross per se. Every eye on earth saw the sign of Christ. It was a superimposed X and P, the first two letters of Christ in Greek (Constantine's native language). You too can see the sign of Christ with any star-tracking software. Just set the date for Oct. 27, 312 AD. (It was an unusual alignment of the planets that formed a cross or X, and the P is always there for the most part). Jesus prophesied that His return would be marked (or preceded by) "the sign of the Son of Man in the clouds" and indeed it was. Later that night, in a dream about the sign, Jesus appeared to Constantine and said, "By this, conquer." And in one day, Christians went from being the ones being persecuted and killed to being the ones doing the killing.
Please provide to me that citation that says the United States is based on the bible. American was founded under the English Common Law and not the bible nor the Ten commandments. http://www.jdnews.com/article/20130607/Opinion/306079926 And here www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Still TO THIS DAY? You have to associated with a religion? Or face DEATH? In EUROPE? Ummmm... I think you should probably restate that.
Look what's happening in Europe these days. People are being raped and slaughtered for refusing to convert or bow down to the Muslim way of life. That's why we have a mass flux of refugees in the U.S. They are fleeing for their lives.
There are hundreds of citations on this website: https://www.usa.church/us-history-quotes-about-god-and-the-bible/
You source provides nothing about the true nature of the foundations of our country. The Federalist Papers clearly point out that several of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, were clearly leery about invoking any form of religion. Most of the founders were deists and some were even atheists and even few were Christian. If you visit your state and federal courts you will notice there are no posted Ten Commandments anywhere to be seen. If the courts had wanted to have the Ten Commandments posted by the Judge or Court Clerk's area, they would have done so. Nowhere will you find these commandments posted anywhere in a public building and nor will you find it in any public school system. Read section: James Madison – Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments (1785) https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/founders/james-madison-quotes
Read section: James Madison – Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments (1785) https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/founders/james-madison-quotes LOL. All of the founding fathers were Episcopalians. Every one of them. The ONLY reason the ten commandments are no longer prominently displayed in the majority of our courthouses is because the ACLU made them remove them. The ACLU is an atheist/Satanic organization that strives to thwart the will of our founders. Our founding fathers made sure that no one would ever be able to remove the ten commandments from our most important court house, the Supreme Court building, by building them into the architecture. I suspect the ACLU lawyers will burn in hell forever for removing mankind's first laws. They are sacred.
Not all of them: http://www.evidenceforjesuschrist.org/Pages/christian-nation/declaration-of- independence-signers.htm For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Not true: http://www.evidenceforjesuschrist.org/Pages/christian-nation/declaration-of- independence-signers.htm There were no atheists back then. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Take your own advice and read a few books about George Washington. You'd be surprised at what a great man he is. Sorry if I offended you but you INSULTED our greatest president so what do you expect.
http://www.evidenceforjesuschrist.org/Pages/christian-nation/declaration-of- independence-signers.htm Your link is not working. Please tell me who you think was not an Episcopalian.
Try this one:
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
John Carroll certainly wasn't. Nor were the Adamses. New Englanders were Puritan, re-dubbed "Congregationalists". If you look at the faith of the men actually doing the fighting, the frontiers of America were heavily peopled by Scotch-Irish Presbyterians. They were the most reliably pro-independence group of all. The French Huguenots, mostly centered in New Jersey and South Carolina, were Calvinists and in their own French Reformed Church, which was not Episcopalian. Generals Du Portail and St. Clair were Catholic. So was Lafayette. Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox" immortalized (and heavily editorialized) by Mel Gibson in "The Patriot", was a French Huguenot The Dutch, notably Major General Philip Schuyler, were Dutch Reformed Calvinists. Truth is, religion ran by colony. The South up to Maryland was Episcopalian in the Tidewater, Presbyterian in the hills. Maryland and Delaware were too, mostly, but Maryland had a significant Catholic presence. Pennsylvania was Quaker in the East and Presbyterian in the West. Same division for New York: Dutch Reformed up the river, Presbyterian in the West. New Englanders were Congregationalists. Sure, the Episcopalians figured very prominently, as most of the Southern political leadership were Anglicans, but the religion of most of the fighters depended on the colony, and the Presbyterians bore an outsized portion of the fighting burden, though few of them were of senior rank. Before the war, Catholics were not well treated in the British colonies, and there were plenty of religious zealots who, after the war, would have liked to have seen religious tests excluding Catholics. But Catholics had fought for Independence too, had leaders who had signed the Declaration of Independence, some well-known generals, and of course the French were Catholic and more than a few of them stayed on. Those who would have keep the British "anti-papist" statutes in place were unable to carry the day, and the Founders - Anglicans, Presbyterians, Calvinists, Quakers, German, Dutch and French Reformed, and Catholics, established a nation without religious tests, precisely because everybody acknowledged that all had fought alongside one another, and because that sentiment of common cause was stronger than the objections of the fanatics who would have preferred to maintain the religious tests. So yes, Episcopalians were prominent leaders. But no, "all", nor even substantially all, of the Founding Fathers were Episcopalian. They were everything.
To my list I should also add Generals Pulaski and Kosziusko, who were Polish Catholics, but certainly Founding Fathers. That was the thing about the Revolution: at the beginning it was a third, a third, a third. But as time went on and the British did bloody-minded things like unleashing the frontier Indians on the frontier farmers, or marching Hessians across the American landscape, what had been a theoretical fight farway became local, and brutal, and neutrality, and affection for the Crown faded away pretty fast when the fact of what the Crown really WAS was marched through town with all of the injustice and looting. By the end, support for the Revolution was overwhelming, and every group was fighting. That was a good thing, because it meant that when it was done, every group had done its part, and they were able to vault past the sectarian differences that had kept them apart before that.
The religious issue among the founders was that there was no religious majority in America. The war was fought and won by a constellation of Anglicans and Presbyerians, Quakers, Lutherans, Dutch and French Reformed, Congregationalists and Catholics. The colonies were so different one from another precisely BECAUSE of those religious differences, and most of the first states had their own established religions. But the anvil of war brought everybody together to fight the British, We have to remember too what "religious tests" really meant in 18th Century English and English colonial culture. It meant, above all, that CATHOLICS, specifically, could not hold office. The OTHER religious groups, particularly the Quakers and the Puritans, had each gone through their OWN periods of being repressed by the Established Church in England, and they were all leery of each other. There was not a desire among the Founders to protect themselves from RELIGION, but to prevent themselves being dominated by somebody ELSE'S religion. Because of the prominence of Catholics in having secured American Independence, no barriers to Catholics would be permitted in the new country - leaders like Washington would never permit it. And as to the rest, New England was going to stay Congregationalist, the South, Anglican (redubbed "Episcopalian"), the West, Presbyterian, etc. At home in their states, Americans could do what they pleased, but the national government could never pick ONE of those religions and put it on top. This was a good thing, but its purpose was to keep the peace and camraderie hard-won in the war among Americans, and not have it all dissolve back into religious bickering. It wasn't to banish Christianity. That would have been silly. Almost all of them thought of themselves as Christian.
Faith of our Founders That's an awful long list of founding fathers. When I say founding fathers, I'm talking about the main ones: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton. They were all Episcopalians. I suppose you could include John Adams, a non-Episcopalian, in the list of founding fathers, but 5 out of 6 is still nearly all of the founding fathers. But the Revelation, in chapters 6 and 19 is not talking about minor supporting roles, it's talking about conquerors who became the first king (or president) of a new Christian world power. The 4th horseman/conqueror who rides a pale horse is clearly George Washington and he definitely was a member of a Church descended from St. Peter like all the other horsemen. And, like I said, until Obama, most of our presidents were members of a Church with priests directly descended from St. Peter (through the process known as "the laying on of hands").
Excellent post. As far as I know, all of the founders were Christians.
Thanks for injecting some real history on the thread.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
There were some Unitarians and a few deists. But insignificant in comparison to the larger group.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I think there were only a handful of Jews in the colonies at the time of Independence, and they were all concentrated in a couple of port cities. Everybody was in some sense a Christian. Thomas Jefferson didn't really believe that Jesus was God, but he did ascribe excellence to him. Thomas Paine was not religious, and few of the leaders were what one could described as religious fanatics, or anything very close to that, but they were definitely Christian.
Excellent post you made. I have no dispute at all.
Don't be sorry if you never intended to be.
Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. And some would even say that Benjamin Franklin was too. Both were rebellious about religion.
Jefferson and Franklin were Episcopalians. There were no atheists back in their day.
They all signed the DoI. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Both believed in a Divine Creator God. Jefferson was most likely a Deist. Franklin in today's terms a Unitarian. Unitarians believe in God as not manifest in three Divine Persons. Therefore, Franklin by his writings believed in God but was a skeptic as regards to the full Deity of Jesus Christ. Again no atheists. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Okay, I give you credit for that one. I never expected it to happen, although the past week it was looking like a possibility. Good work!
f you have not been paying attention up until now
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Spanish man skipped work for 6 years, still got paid
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While Kerry Talks Ceasefire, US Allies Secretly Ship Grad Missiles to Syria Rebels
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The big news yesterday was that after some five hours of intense negotiation on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, an agreement was reached between the major powers on a "cessation of hostilities" in Syria within the next week.
According to the agreement: The [International Syria Support Group] members agreed that a nationwide cessation of hostilities must be urgently implemented, and should apply to any party currently engaged in military or paramilitary hostilities against any other parties other than Daesh, Jabhat al-Nusra, or other groups designated as terrorist organizations by the United Nations Security Council. The ISSG members commit to exercise influence for an immediate and significant reduction in violence leading to the nationwide cessation of hostilities.
Now today -- just one day after the ceasefire agreement -- we discover that a massive shipment of ground-to-ground "Grad" missiles has been sent by US allies (and the CIA?) to rebels fighting against the Syrian government.
Reuters reports: 'It is excellent additional fire power for us,' said one of the commanders, who declined to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter. The second rebel commander said the missiles were being used to hit army positions beyond the front line. 'They give the factions longer reach,' he said.
What are we to conclude by this dramatic turn of events? Two possibilities.
One, that since the deal is not finalized on paper the foreign powers backing regime change for Syria did not feel the need to halt the shipment and in fact may have hastened the delivery.
Two, that the "rebels" being supplied do not fall under the terms of the agreement spelled out above. In other words, the ceasefire does not apply to ISIS or al-Qaeda or affiliated forces, so perhaps the foreign Grad suppliers decided this is a two-way street: if Russia is still free to bomb the terrorist groups, then Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. are still free to provide them weapons.
Does anyone have any confidence in this kind of ceasefire when either the "moderates" or named terrorist groups are being armed to the teeth on the eve of its implementation? Will the Russians begin to doubt the veracity of their western partners' commitment to halting the violence in Syria when they learn of this massive weapons shipment?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
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World War 3 Could Start This Month
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#6. To: redleghunter (#5)
I was in Iraq on 4 combat tours. Where and when did the Euphrates dry up?
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#8. To: interpreter (#7)
I commend you for doing your part in killing the enemies of Jesus (as we are commanded to do in Luke 19:27).
#9. To: Pinguinite (#8)
I commend you for doing your part in killing the enemies of Jesus (as we are commanded to do in Luke 19:27).
#10. To: interpreter (#9)
I did my share of killing the enemies of Jesus in Viet Nam.
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#13. To: Pinguinite (#11)
So how do you know who the enemies of Jesus are? Do you still love these enemies as you are executing them, as Jesus also commanded?
#14. To: TooConservative (#10)
I did my share of killing the enemies of Jesus in Viet Nam.
#15. To: Pinguinite (#12)
I have nothing against you. I do wish you well.
#16. To: interpreter (#15)
My only regret is that I am now too old to go to Iraq or Syria and help kill off the enemies of Jesus.
#17. To: TooConservative (#16)
Jesus is the savior of mankind and, as such, He has no enemies.
#18. To: interpreter, redleghunter, Pinguinite (#17)
The 6th, 7th and 8th head of Satan are the prophesied enemies of Jesus. They are of course pagan Rome, Muslims (who trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 42 months of years as prophesied), and Hitler the antichrist (who caused 42 months of great tribulation as prophesied).
#19. To: interpreter (#7)
May God bless you. I commend you for doing your part in killing the enemies of Jesus (as we are commanded to do in Luke 19:27). And if you were there in the first deployment of troops in Iraq in April of 2003, you would know that the Euphrates was dry. The lower 50 miles of the Euphrates, and the fertile marshes of the Garden of Eden, was dried up by Saddam Hussein in May, 1994. He did it to prepare the way for the kings of the east in the Battle of Ar Mageddon as prophesied. He did it with a couple dams and a diversion canal that he dubbed "The Mother of All Battles River." It was restored by the "Marsh Arabs" (who claim to have lived there since the days of the Garden of Eden) as soon as the US toppled Hussein.
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Jesus is the savior of mankind and, as such, He has no enemies.
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
The Scofield bible, a major source of apocalyptic in American Christianity, certainly pointed the finger at the Ottoman empire.
#22. To: redleghunter (#20)
But that is His job to do at the second advent. Justice will be in Christ's Hands
#23. To: interpreter (#13)
An enemy of Jesus is defined by Jesus as any one who resists being ruled by a Christian nation. Our personal enemies has nothing to do with the enemies of Jesus. We are to love the one, and kill the other.
#24. To: TooConservative, interpreter, redleghunter, Pinguinite (#18)
You can't use these as Christian justifications for killing the pagans/heathens in foreign lands in the name of Jesus. Jesus and His disciples believed in converting the heathens/pagans to Christ, not killing them. Even if it meant they were themselves killed in their missionary efforts.
#25. To: TooConservative, interpreter (#18)
During the Reformation, the pope was often depicted as the Antichrist and as Gog/Magog. Again, just when is that going to happen?
#26. To: redleghunter (#19)
Yes was there in 2003 for the invasion. Still had to cross the Tigris and then Euphrates and there was still water in the river. You may be discussing the greatly reduced marsh land and that is true, but no army could go through the area as they became salt and mud plains. There still exists ample marsh land in the south of Iraq as well.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#23)
I don't share these sentiments in the least. God is far better than this. The love of God is far greater than this
#28. To: redleghunter (#20)
So leave vengeance and justice in the Hands of Christ dear interpreter.
#29. To: interpreter (#27)
God's love is a very tough love. The flip side of His love is His wrath, and you don't want to get on that side.
#30. To: interpreter (#28)
Jesus has left vengeance and justice in the hands of His followers.
God more or less follows the Star-Trek directive, which is "Interfere in the life of a planet only when deemed necessary for the survival of the planet and its intelligent life, and then only to the extent necessary.
#31. To: interpreter (#26)
All of the maps of Iraq that were made during the 9 year period show the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates as dry.
#32. To: interpreter (#28)
God more or less follows the Star-Trek directive, which is "Interfere in the life of a planet only when deemed necessary for the survival of the planet and its intelligent life, and then only to the extent necessary.
#33. To: Pinguinite (#29)
No, God does not get angry. He never has, and never will. Painting him as angry and wrathful is either a mistaken human personification of God or simply a tool through which to attempt to control the masses.
#34. To: redleghunter (#31)
#35. To: redleghunter (#32)
That's almost semi-Deist in concept.
#36. To: redleghunter (#20)
Isaiah 61.
#37. To: redleghunter (#25)
#38. To: Pinguinite (#30)
Anyone subscribing to this is truly on par with ISIS type Islamic beheadings.
#39. To: TooConservative (#36)
Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ.
#40. To: Pinguinite (#30)
I would counter by saying the Earth and all physical life on it, human or otherwise, is expendable. The greater good, infinitely more important, are the souls that inhabit it. God can create a new earth and a new human race easily enough, but each of us, as souls, are more valuable than the entire universe.
#41. To: interpreter, redleghunter (#39)
2kon: "Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ."
interpreter: "Luke 19:27"
. . .
#42. To: TooConservative (#41)
Verse 28 does not tell us that Jesus was declaring anyone as His enemy.
#43. To: interpreter (#42)
I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.
#44. To: interpreter (#33)
I've never heard such malarkey in my life.
Have you ever heard of hell? That awaits you in the afterlife if you do not accept God and do your best to please Him and kill His enemies.
In the OT, God often commanded the Israelites to kill entire nations, every last man, woman and child except for virgins that they could keep for their pleasure (i.e., to make their concubine or wife).
And in the NT, Jesus commands us to kill His enemies. You need to read the Bible instead of making up stuff.
#45. To: interpreter (#34)
If you claim the lower Euphrates wasn't dry in April 2003 when you arrived in Iraq, then I suggest you either have a very faulty memory or you are a bald-face liar, or perhaps you arrived a bit too late because the Euphrates was restored shortly after the US arrived. I can draw no other conclusion because all the maps show it as dry, and I think there are still a few articles about it on the internet. I can probably find one for you if you want me to.
#46. To: interpreter (#35)
#47. To: interpreter (#40)
No, human life is not expendable. The earth is, but we are not. We are probably more valuable to God than the entire universe as you say.
#48. To: TooConservative (#36)
dleghunter Isaiah 61. Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Pretty much, just the Pharisees of that era. Also, pharisaic types of any era, I suppose.
#49. To: TooConservative (#37)
Nice photo of dear old Papa.
#50. To: redleghunter, interpreter (#48)
I was not making the point of Christians taking temporal judgment in their own hands.
#51. To: interpreter, TooConservative (#39)
(Edited)
Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Luke 19:27
#52. To: interpreter (#42)
I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.
#53. To: TooConservative (#50)
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
#55. To: redleghunter (#51)
(Edited)
#56. To: redleghunter (#51)
Bad theology usually starts with the plucking of an OT verse and ends with an eisegesis of a NT parable.
#57. To: TooConservative (#50)
Exactly. Jesus never told his followers to kill Pharisees or Roman occupiers. Jesus taught to turn the other cheek.
#58. To: TooConservative (#54)
I wouldn't go that far. I was just taking exception to the term "enemy of Christ". If you are to take that position, you should have multiple portions of red-letter scripture with Jesus plainly declaring His enemies. Otherwise, you can use the term to justify any act of killing, something not unknown with the Crusaders and with the Catholic system more broadly. Lots of people have been killed using this as an excuse but it's just murder.
#59. To: Pinguinite (#52)
(Edited)
Again, I hope you don't mind my speculation, and again, I hold nothing against you, even if it may be true that you would consider me one of these "enemies" referred to in the Bible, such that if we ever met in person, you might see fit to kill me on the spot. I don't consider you an enemy.
#60. To: interpreter (#59)
Don't worry, you are not going to be killed by me or any other Christian soldier unless of course if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US).
#61. To: interpreter (#59)
if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US)
#62. To: Pinguinite (#60)
But, you are in good company, I guess. There are people here who consider me "out there" as well with my views. But at least I have the advantage of having my views shared by others. Are your views shared by others or are they ones you came to on your own? I'm curious.
#63. To: A K A Stone (#61)
Does a christian nation have faggot pretend marriage?
#64. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Intrepreter should be false intrepreter.
#65. To: interpreter (#64)
I aim to change that by getting my predictions out there for all the world to see and then Christianity will be respected again.
#66. To: Fred Mertz (#65)
Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me.
#67. To: interpreter (#66)
#68. To: Pinguinite (#67)
I would invite you to post your predictions here for us to see in advance, if you don't mind the scrutiny. You choose the nature of it.
#69. To: Fred Mertz (#65)
Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me.
#70. To: redleghunter (#69)
#71. To: Fred Mertz, redleghunter (#70)
#72. To: Fred Mertz, Biff Tannen (#70)
Hey, can't blame me for trying to get a life-changing score on the big race.
#73. To: redleghunter (#72)
#74. To: U don't know me (#0)
#75. To: interpreter (#68)
I posted my annual predictions on Liberty's Flame at the same time I posted them on the7lastplagues.com, back on Dec. 4th in "2016 in Bible Prophecy." That was my first post on LF.
1. The plague of unsightly and often deadly skin cancer will be around again, Among Aryans, especially those who worship the image of suntanned skin (Rev. 16:1-2)
2. Tides the color of a dead man's blood will again appear throughout every sea, And cause billions of fish to cease to be (Rev. 16:3)
3. Algae and pollution and brain-eating amoebas will appear in rivers and lakes, Making the earth's fresh water unsafe to intake (Rev. 16:4-7)
4. It will be another record-setting hot year, Adding high seas and heat strokes to things to fear (Rev. 16:8-9)
5. The darkness of atheism will increase, and men will gnaw their tongues and blaspheme God Almighty Because of strange new diseases in their body (Rev. 16:10-11)
6. The battle of Ar Mageddon has begun, When the Euphrates was dry on 9/11. It will escalate in 2016, both abroad in Syria and Iraq, And at home when Muslim immigrants stage a Paris-style attack. (Rev. 16:12-21)
7. The Good News is, the last face of Satan will soon be so soundly defeated (by a coalition of 24 nations that drop exceedingly great hail) That He wont be heard from again for a millennial. It begins in 2016 when a 24th Christian nation, Montenegro, Will be added to the coalition called NATO. (see Rev. 4:4, 16:21, 20:4)
As far as you wanting my predictions to fit your definition of a good prediction, I can only repeat and expand on what the Revelation says. On my website, from time to time I expand on my predictions and occasionally add new predictions, so you will want to go there if you want to see all my predictions.
#76. To: Pinguinite (#75)
#77. To: Pinguinite (#75)
(Edited)
Okay, well I found them and read them. Can't score you too many points on the San Bernardino though. After the Paris attacks, that was a pretty easy guess. ISIS themselves are calling for a hit in England. I was even calling for a major hit in the USA before 9/11, circa 1997/98.
#78. To: paraclete (#76)
You missed the falling heavens
#79. To: Pinguinite (#75)
Gotta say, numbers 1, 3 & 5 are rather vague. #2 & 4 are more particular. Have to wait till year end and see. There's already disagreement on this thread about the rivers in question being dry or not. We'll see about Montenegro. That's a country smaller than most western cities so their joining NATO might be surprising.
#80. To: interpreter (#79)
And NATO has already invited Montenegro to join NATO and all that is left is for Montenegrins to vote on it.
#81. To: Pinguinite (#80)
Okay, looking this up, on Dec 2, 2015 Montenegro was asked to join NATO. That was 3 weeks prior to your prediction that they would end up joining.
#82. To: Pinguinite (#75)
No, you are not allowed to expand on predictions. At least not after the time frame starts. That's cheating!
#83. To: interpreter (#81)
Two days before. All of my predictions are a result of comparing the news to the Revelation.
#84. To: Pinguinite (#83)
Montenegro formally asked to join NATO on Dec 2:
#85. To: Pinguinite (#83)
Montenegro formally asked to join NATO on Dec 2:
#86. To: interpreter (#85)
Then the Serbs will be one of the biggest nations in NATO and someday surpass the US in power.
#87. To: paraclete (#86)
(Edited)
Dream on. Wasn't there such a nation once it was called Yugoslavia, at no time in it's wildest dreams was it as powerful as the US or other European nations.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#60)
(Edited)
I thought when Jesus comes back, it would be in a fashion that no one would be able to deny, as lightning flashes from the east to the west, and with every knee bowing. That sort of thing. And whatever happened in 312 AD or so apparently failed to make that universal, irrevocable impression.
#89. To: interpreter (#87)
(Edited)
There wont be any Muslims or Catholics or atheists in the coming Greater Serbia.
#90. To: paraclete (#89)
In this orthadox utopia do you intend to put all others to the sword?
#91. To: Pinguinite (#60)
I thought when Jesus comes back, it would be in a fashion that no one would be able to deny, as lightning flashes from the east to the west, and with every knee bowing. That sort of thing. And whatever happened in 312 AD or so apparently failed to make that universal, irrevocable impression.
#92. To: interpreter (#91)
So there is no way anyone can say it didn't make a great, lasting and universal impression.
#93. To: A K A Stone (#92)
#94. To: interpreter (#84)
#95. To: interpreter (#85)
If you didn't like that one, let me make a new prediction. At some point all the Serbs in Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia will unite as one in Greater Serbia as also prophesied by Serbia's flag. Then the Serbs will be one of the biggest nations in NATO and someday surpass the US in power. I plan to add that to my website at some point, probably in 2017 in Bible Prophecy.
#96. To: Pinguinite (#95)
(Edited)
Saying "at some point" doesn't pass the prophecy test. You have to give a window of time in which it will happen as it's simply not acceptable to perpetually say to wait a little longer.
#97. To: Pinguinite (#94)
Dec 4 is still two days after Montenegro was asked to join NATO. So predicting they would say yes is hardly anything that could be credited to some kind of divine inspiration.
#98. To: interpreter (#97)
Everything I say is based on the Revelation. The Revelation clearly signifies that 24 Christian nations will kill off the latest face of the 7th head of Satan, and Satan wont be heard from again for a thousand years, allowing those 24 nations to rule the earth in peace for Jesus for a millennium. And it signifies that one of the 24 nations is the 5th horseman (who is described in great detail in chapter 19, and can only be Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbs.
#99. To: interpreter (#96)
I certainly don't want to get ahead of God's timetable and have people call me a false prophet.
#100. To: Pinguinite (#99)
(Edited)
But I would maintain that your predictions, even if 100% accurate (which I'm not convinced of), are completely irrelevant.
#101. To: interpreter (#100)
(Edited)
And God often calls for the murder/genocide of entire peoples (like ISIS), and it is entirely based on their theological beliefs. God's love is a very tough love.
#102. To: paraclete (#101)
God doesn't do this as a general rule. You cannot make a rule out of an instance otherwise you are a pharassee. God determined that the cannanites were a people who worshiped Baal and made human sacrifice, therefore he told the Israelites to drive them out so they wouldn't be contaminated. Hey told the Israelites to destroy the amalakites for their practices also. I don't recall he told the jews to destroy the romans and they were pagans. The israelites failed in these tasks thus we have problems today as a result park that in your es eschatology
#103. To: interpreter (#100)
#104. To: interpreter (#102)
#105. To: paraclete (#101)
(Edited)
God determined that the cannanites were a people who worshiped Baal and made human sacrifice, therefore he told the Israelites to drive them out so they wouldn't be contaminated. Hey told the Israelites to destroy the amalakites for their practices also. I don't recall he told the jews to destroy the romans and they were pagans. The israelites failed in these tasks thus we have problems today as a result park that in your es eschatology
#106. To: paraclete (#104)
(Edited)
Have you wondered why he has allowed Muslim to persist for 1400 years?
#107. To: interpreter (#106)
#108. To: paraclete (#107)
(Edited)
your sense of history is a bit off, christianity was absorbed by the roman empire, the barbarians defeated the western roman empire and the muslims defeated the eastern roman empire. Empires inevietably decline. Sometimes it takes centuries, sometimes less. The soviet empire was gone in 70 years, the US should learn the lessons and realise it is well on the way
#109. To: interpreter, Moderator X (#108)
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth.
#110. To: interpreter (#108)
Christians will rule the earth to the end, and resistance is futile as the history books prove.
#111. To: interpreter (#108)
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth. And yes, the US will also decline at some point, but we will be replaced by the 5th horseman. Like I said, resistance is futile.
#112. To: Vicomte13 (#110)
(Edited)
Our destiny as Christians on this earth is not to triumph, but to be conquered and fall.
#113. To: paraclete (#111)
The only thing that follows the pale horse is death
#114. To: interpreter (#113)
#115. To: interpreter (#112)
#116. To: interpreter (#108)
(Edited)
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth.
#117. To: paraclete (#114)
Your weapons bring hell and death and they don't discrimate, The US isn't interested in Jesus, it is interested in furthering the works of satan, pleasing only itsself. In case you haven't noticed capitalism is the antithesis of kingdom thinking
#118. To: interpreter, Fred Mertz (#106)
I predict that Islam will likewise be defeated and very soon --when Trump is elected president, and also 23 strong leaders in Europe are elected to replace the Muslim-lovers now in power.
#119. To: Fred Mertz, interpreter (#118)
#120. To: goldilucky (#116)
(Edited)
Long before Washington and his cronies made America into a united corporation, the name America was founded by Amerigo Vespucci
#121. To: interpreter (#120)
All of the founding fathers of our nation were Episcopalians, and the only nations allowed by God to rule the earth are the nations founded by a Church descended from St. Peter.
#122. To: Fred Mertz (#118)
I predict that Islam will likewise be defeated and very soon --when Trump is elected president, and also 23 strong leaders in Europe are elected to replace the Muslim-lovers now in power.
#123. To: buckeroo (#121)
All of the founding fathers of our nation were Episcopalians, and the only nations allowed by God to rule the earth are the nations founded by a Church descended from St. Peter.
#124. To: interpreter (#123)
You cannot point to one thing I've said that isn't true.
#125. To: interpreter (#123)
#126. To: interpreter (#123)
Have you ever read a world history book? Evidently not, or you would know that I am 100% right as I always am. You cannot point to one thing I've said that isn't true.
#127. To: paraclete (#126)
I know one thing for sure you have not read any authorative text on world history or biblical intrepretation
#128. To: interpreter (#127)
#129. To: interpreter (#112)
And the Bible signifies that a coalition of 24 Christian nations will soon defeat the latest face of the 7th head of Satan (ISIS)
#130. To: interpreter (#127)
I have read many world history books and they all say Jesus returned in 312AD,
#131. To: interpreter (#127)
I have read many world history books and they all say Jesus returned in 312AD, on Oct. 27th
#132. To: Vicomte13 (#131)
#133. To: Fred Mertz (#132)
#134. To: Vicomte13 (#133)
#135. To: Fred Mertz (#134)
#136. To: Vicomte13 (#135)
The demon that had me in a mind-lock was gone.
#137. To: buckeroo (#136)
That's just your opinion.
#138. To: Vicomte13 (#137)
#139. To: goldilucky (#116)
Washington and his cronies
#140. To: buckeroo (#138)
You could just be ... the complete embodiment of pure evil. Evil looks at itself, never recoginising what it is.
#141. To: paraclete (#128)
What a load of rubbish, cite for me where it says that in the Book of Common Prayer
#142. To: calcon (#139)
(Edited)
#143. To: interpreter (#120)
#144. To: A K A Stone (#129)
What chapter and verse is that foretold in.
#145. To: goldilucky (#143)
(Edited)
First of all NONE of our Founding Fathers EVER founded this country on any form of religion at all. It may be that the reason they didn't was because they wanted to be free from religious persecution. In the Old World (Europe), you had (and still do to this day) to be associated with a religion, in order to be accepted in society or face death. The United States was never founded on any form of religion and proof of that lies in the First Amendment.
#146. To: Vicomte13 (#133)
(Edited)
Given the year 312 I figured it was Constantine's vision at the Milvian Bridge, but why would seeing a cross in the sky be a sign of Christ's return.
#147. To: interpreter (#145)
(Edited)
George Washington and several other founders said US laws should be based on the Bible.
#148. To: goldilucky (#143)
In the Old World (Europe), you had (and still do to this day) to be associated with a religion, in order to be accepted in society or face death.
#149. To: Vicomte13 (#148)
(Edited)
#150. To: goldilucky (#147)
Please provide to me that citation that says the United States is based on the bible. American was founded under the English Common Law and not the bible nor the Ten commandments.
#151. To: interpreter (#150)
(Edited)
#152. To: goldilucky (#151)
(Edited)
You source provides nothing about the true nature of the foundations of our country. The Federalist Papers clearly point out that several of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, were clearly leery about invoking any form of religion. Most of the founders were deists and some were even atheists and even few were Christian. If you visit your state and federal courts you will notice there are no posted Ten Commandments anywhere to be seen. If the courts had wanted to have the Ten Commandments posted by the Judge or Court Clerk's area, they would have done so. Nowhere will you find these commandments posted anywhere in a public building and nor will you find it in any public school system.
#153. To: interpreter, TooConservative, GarySpFc (#152)
LOL. All of the founding fathers were Episcopalians. Every one of them.
#154. To: goldilucky, GarySpFc, TooConservative (#151)
Most of the founders were deists and some were even atheists
#155. To: goldilucky (#142)
#156. To: redleghunter (#153)
Not all of them:
#157. To: interpreter (#156)
#158. To: interpreter (#156)
#159. To: All (#158)
#160. To: goldilucky (#151)
#161. To: redleghunter (#157)
Try this one:
#162. To: Vicomte13 (#160)
#163. To: Vicomte13 (#160)
#164. To: interpreter (#161)
#165. To: interpreter (#162)
#166. To: Vicomte13 (#160)
#167. To: calcon (#155)
#168. To: redleghunter (#154)
(Edited)
#169. To: goldilucky (#168)
#170. To: interpreter (#161)
That's an awful long list of founding fathers.
#171. To: goldilucky (#168)
Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. And some would even say that Benjamin Franklin was too. Both were rebellious about religion.
#172. To: interpreter (#106)
I predict that Islam will likewise be defeated and very soon --when Trump is elected president, and also 23 strong leaders in Europe are elected to replace the Muslim-lovers now in power.
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