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Title: World War 3 Could Start This Month: 350,000 Soldiers In Saudi Arabia Stand Ready To Invade Syria
Source: The Economic Collapse
URL Source: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ ... abia-are-ready-to-invade-syria
Published: Feb 15, 2016
Author: Mike Snyder
Post Date: 2016-02-15 19:41:12 by U don't know me
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World War 3 Could Start This Month: 350,000 Soldiers In Saudi Arabia Stand Ready To Invade Syria By Michael Snyder, on February 14th, 2016

War Soldiers - Public Domain350,000 soldiers, 20,000 tanks, 2,450 warplanes and 460 military helicopters are massing in northern Saudi Arabia for a military exercise that is being called “Northern Thunder”. According to the official announcement, forces are being contributed by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, Sudan, Kuwait, Morocco, Pakistan, Tunisia, Oman, Qatar, Malaysia and several other nations. This exercise will reportedly last for 18 days, and during that time the airspace over northern Saudi Arabia will be closed to air traffic. This will be the largest military exercise in the history of the region, and it comes amid rumors that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are preparing for a massive ground invasion of Syria.

If you were going to gather forces for an invasion, this is precisely how you would do it. Governments never come out and publicly admit that forces are moving into position for an invasion ahead of time, so “military exercises” are a common excuse that gets used for this sort of thing.

If these exercises are actually being used as an excuse to mass forces near the northern Saudi border, then we should expect an invasion to begin within the next couple of weeks. If it happens, we should expect to see the Saudi coalition storm through western Iraq and into Syria from the south, and it is likely that Turkey will come in from the north.

The goal would be to take out the Assad regime before Russia, Iran and Hezbollah could react. For the past couple of years, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies have been funding the Sunni insurgency in Syria, and they were counting on those insurgents to be able to take down the Assad regime by themselves.

You see, the truth is that ISIS was never supposed to lose in Syria. Saudi Arabia and her allies have been funneling massive amounts of money to ISIS, and hundreds of millions of dollars of ISIS oil has been shipped into Turkey where it is sold to the rest of the world.

The major Sunni nations wanted ISIS and the other Sunni insurgent groups to take down Assad. In the aftermath, Saudi Arabia and her allies intended to transform Syria into a full-blown Sunni nation.

But then Russia, Iran and Hezbollah stepped forward to assist the Assad regime. Russian air support completely turned the tide of the war, and now the Sunni insurgents are on the brink of losing.

Aleppo was once the largest city in Syria, and Sunni insurgents have controlled it since 2012. But now relentless Russian airstrikes have made it possible for Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah ground forces to surround the city, and it is about to fall back into the hands of the Syrian government.

If this happens, the war will essentially be over.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies have invested massive amounts of time, money and effort into overthrowing Assad, and they aren’t about to walk away now.

If the war was to end right at this moment, a weakened Assad regime would remain in power, and Iran and Hezbollah would be the dominant powers in the country for years to come. And once Assad died, it would be inevitable that Iran and Hezbollah would attempt to transform Syria into a full-blown Shiite nation. This is something that Saudi Arabia and Turkey want to avoid at all costs.

So they are actually considering what was once absolutely unthinkable – a massive ground invasion of Syria.

But if Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies go in, they run the risk of a full-blown war with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. Just consider some of the comments that we have seen in recent days…

Reacting to a potential troop deployment, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem said Saturday, “Let no one think they can attack Syria or violate its sovereignty because I assure you any aggressor will return to their country in a wooden coffin.”

Pavel Krasheninnikov, a deputy of Russia’s State Duma, has warned Saudi Arabia that any military ground operation in Syria without Damascus’ consent would amount to a declaration of war, Press TV reported.

We could literally be looking at the spark that sets off World War 3. I can’t believe that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are actually considering this.

And if it does happen, you can rest assured that Barack Obama gave them the green light to go in.

Unfortunately, it sounds like the decision may have already been made. Just consider what Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu is saying…

“If we have such a strategy, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia may launch a ground operation,” he added, fueling concerns that a foreign troop invasion may soon further complicate the already turbulent situation in the war-torn country.

Earlier, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE voiced their readiness to contribute troops for a ground operation in Syria on the condition that the US would lead the intervention. Damascus and its key regional ally, Iran, warned that such a foreign force would face strong resistance.

And in addition to all of the forces massing in northern Saudi Arabia, the London Independent is reporting that the Saudis have sent troops and aircraft to a military base in Turkey…

Saudi Arabia is sending troops and fighter jets to Turkey’s Incirlik military base ahead of a possible ground invasion of Syria.

The Turkish foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, confirmed the deployment in a statement to the Yeni ^afak newspaper on Saturday, days before a temporary ceasefire is due to come into force.

There are reports that Saudi officials are saying that the decision to send in ground troops is “irreversible”, and Reuters is reporting that the Syrian government claims that some Turkish troops have already entered the country…

The Syrian government says Turkish forces were believed to be among 100 gunmen it said entered Syria on Saturday accompanied by 12 pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, in an ongoing supply operation to insurgents fighting Damascus.

“The operation of supplying ammunition and weapons is continuing via the Bab al-Salama crossing to the Syrian area of Azaz,” the Syrian foreign ministry said in a letter to the U.N. Security Council published by state news agency SANA.

Of course the Turkish government is not going to confirm that report, but what we do know is that Turkey is shelling Kurdish forces on the Syrian side of the border. The funny thing is that these Kurdish forces are actually being supported and supplied by the U.S. government.

So the Turks are not supposed to be doing this, but according to Reuters they have been doing it for two days in a row anyway…

The Turkish army shelled positions held by Kurdish-backed militia in northern Syria for a second day on Sunday, killing two fighters, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said.

Turkey on Saturday demanded the powerful Syrian Kurdish YPG militia withdraw from areas that it had captured in the northern Aleppo region in recent days from insurgents in Syria, including the Menagh air base. The shelling has targeted those areas.

The hostility between Turkey and the Kurds goes back a long, long way. The Syrian Kurds are not threatening Turkey in any way right now, but Turkey is using the instability in the region as an excuse to lob artillery shells at a hated enemy. It is an act of naked aggression that the Obama administration should be loudly denouncing.

In addition, it is being reported that Syrian government forces have also been getting shelled by the Turkish military…

Anatolia news agency reported that the Turkish military hit Syrian government forces on Saturday, adding that the shelling had been in response to fire inflicted on a Turkish military guard post in Turkey’s southern Hatay region.

Turkish artillery targeted Syrian forces again late on Saturday, according to a military source quoted by RIA Novosti. The attack targeted the town of Deir Jamal in the Aleppo Governorate.

Needless to say, the Russians are quite alarmed by all of this.

In fact, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is warning about what could happen if things spiral out of control…

In the wake of Saudi Arabia’s proposal to send in ground troops on Thursday, the Russian Prime Minister claimed the move could spark a new world war.

“A ground operation draws everyone taking part in it into a war,” he told the Handelsblatt newspaper.

“The Americans and our Arab partners must consider whether or not they want a permanent war.”

If Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies launch an invasion and make a mad dash to take out the Assad regime in Damascus, the Russians will inevitably respond.

And if tactical nuclear weapons are necessary to keep the invading forces out of Damascus, the Russians will not be shy about using them.

I don’t know if I have ever seen a scenario which was more likely to initiate World War 3 than the one that we are watching unfold right now.

So what has the mainstream media been saying about all of this?

Incredibly, they have been almost entirely silent. When he went looking for news about these events, James Bailey could find almost nothing on either Fox News or CNN…

I just visited the home page for Foxnews.com and found not one single mention of the insane events now unfolding in the Middle East. I could not believe it, so I used my Find tool to search for Syria and Saudi Arabia. Not one mention!

Of course that could change at any moment, but nothing there when I checked. Their stories were all about the meaningless Presidential election, which has already been decided regardless of what we think about it, and other stories about entertainment, sports, Congressional political theater, etc.

So I went to CNN and found just about the same thing with one news story about the Syrian cease fire, but when I read it there was no mention of any of the big events that have developed this week. This is truly an amazing media blackout!

But Fox News does have space to run headlines like these…

–Spanish man skipped work for 6 years, still got paid

–48 people rescued from stuck tram cars at New Hampshire ski resort

–Lovelorn elephant takes out his rage on more than a dozen cars

And CNN apparently thinks that these news stories are more important than the potential beginning of World War 3…

If Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies are going to conduct an invasion of Syria, the most likely time for this to happen will be by the end of this month during these military exercises.

If we can get to March 1st and no invasion has happened yet, perhaps we can breathe a little sigh of relief.

But if it does happen, and the Russians and the Iranians decide to shoot back, it really could be the start of World War 3.

If you have not been paying attention up until now, you need to start, because this could literally change everything.

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#32. To: interpreter (#28)

God more or less follows the Star-Trek directive, which is "Interfere in the life of a planet only when deemed necessary for the survival of the planet and its intelligent life, and then only to the extent necessary.

That's almost semi-Deist in concept.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-17   14:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#29)

No, God does not get angry. He never has, and never will. Painting him as angry and wrathful is either a mistaken human personification of God or simply a tool through which to attempt to control the masses.

I've never heard such malarkey in my life. Have you ever heard of hell? That awaits you in the afterlife if you do not accept God and do your best to please Him and kill His enemies. In the OT, God often commanded the Israelites to kill entire nations, every last man, woman and child except for virgins that they could keep for their pleasure (i.e., to make their concubine or wife). And in the NT, Jesus commands us to kill His enemies. You need to read the Bible instead of making up stuff.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   16:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: redleghunter (#31)

If you claim the lower Euphrates wasn't dry in April 2003 when you arrived in Iraq, then I suggest you either have a very faulty memory or you are a bald-face liar, or perhaps you arrived a bit too late because the Euphrates was restored shortly after the US arrived. I can draw no other conclusion because all the maps show it as dry, and I think there are still a few articles about it on the internet. I can probably find one for you if you want me to.

The "way" of the demon-possessed kings of the east is the Jerusalem-dry Euphrates vector that points to all the kings of the East that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. They don't necessarily cross it, though Hussein did and later ISIS did.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   17:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#32)

That's almost semi-Deist in concept.

What is your point, and what do you mean by almost or semi? God is a deity by any standard, and not almost or semi.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   17:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#20)

Isaiah 61.

Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Pretty much, just the Pharisees of that era. Also, pharisaic types of any era, I suppose.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-17   17:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: redleghunter (#25)

Nice photo of dear old Papa.

What, you didn't think that Jack Chick invented this genre, did you?     ; )

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-17   17:53:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#30)

Anyone subscribing to this is truly on par with ISIS type Islamic beheadings.

Kinda-sorta. The main difference is, God's closen people win the Battle with the 7th head of Satan, and ISIS loses bad and is killed off.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   17:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative (#36)

Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ.

Luke 19:27

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   17:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#30)

I would counter by saying the Earth and all physical life on it, human or otherwise, is expendable. The greater good, infinitely more important, are the souls that inhabit it. God can create a new earth and a new human race easily enough, but each of us, as souls, are more valuable than the entire universe.

No, human life is not expendable. The earth is, but we are not. We are probably more valuable to God than the entire universe as you say. When we are all killed off a thousand years from now, we are resurrected and those found worthy get to go and live on a new earth without any sea, most likely Mars.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   18:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: interpreter, redleghunter (#39)

2kon: "Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ."
interpreter: "Luke 19:27"

You have the reading comprehension of a child.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
. . .

Let me clarify this.

In verse 11, Jesus begins a parable because the crowd believes that since they are near Jerusalem, he will soon become king.

In verses 12-27, Jesus tells the parable.

In verse 28, Jesus has calmed the crowd and then leaves for Jerusalem, having assured them with His parable.

Verse 28 does not tell us that Jesus was declaring anyone as His enemy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-17   18:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TooConservative (#41)

Verse 28 does not tell us that Jesus was declaring anyone as His enemy.

I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-17   18:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: interpreter (#42)

I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.

Jesus was telling a parable about a ruler who declared his enemies were to be slain.

Jesus was not telling His followers or disciples to slay anyone.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-18   0:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: interpreter (#33)

I've never heard such malarkey in my life.

Well then, consider yourself enlightened.

Have you ever heard of hell? That awaits you in the afterlife if you do not accept God and do your best to please Him and kill His enemies.

This is the first time I've ever heard it claimed that killing God's enemies was a requirement to avoid eternal damnation. At least from a professed Christian. Seems your version of Christianity has a lot in common with Islam.

In the OT, God often commanded the Israelites to kill entire nations, every last man, woman and child except for virgins that they could keep for their pleasure (i.e., to make their concubine or wife).

Well it is the victors of war who end up writing the history books. And getting free women out of battles sounds like a great perk, especially when it comes with God's blessing. At least if you are a male beneficiary.

Reminds me of how contemporary Muslims are doing that wonderful missionary outreach by raping the women they find, and thereby converting these poor spiritually destitute women into Muslims so they can finally find some peace and meaning in life.

And in the NT, Jesus commands us to kill His enemies. You need to read the Bible instead of making up stuff.

Apparently reading the whole bible isn't required. A single verse is all that's needed to understand we are commanded to be Jihadists for Jesus.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-18   0:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: interpreter (#34)

If you claim the lower Euphrates wasn't dry in April 2003 when you arrived in Iraq, then I suggest you either have a very faulty memory or you are a bald-face liar, or perhaps you arrived a bit too late because the Euphrates was restored shortly after the US arrived. I can draw no other conclusion because all the maps show it as dry, and I think there are still a few articles about it on the internet. I can probably find one for you if you want me to.

The "way" of the demon-possessed kings of the east is the Jerusalem-dry Euphrates vector that points to all the kings of the East that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. They don't necessarily cross it, though Hussein did and later ISIS did.

First ISIS did no crossing of the lower Euphrates. That's in Shia dominated Iraq near Basra.

Second show me the maps. I had 1 meter satellite imagery available to me whenever needed and that was daily given my job as the Iraqi theatre targeting officer. As a BN 3 I crossed all those bridges in the south and the river was flowing fine.

If you are using Google maps give it up as the detail is horrible and you can't tell if the muddy portions of the river are chop or dry ground. That could be your error. Show me the money.

The central portion of both the Tigris and Euphrates was fine as well. Our ROPU units treated the water from both rivers for drinking water. So I drank water from both rivers.

Finally what demon kings came from the East and crossed on the dry riverbed?

None. Perhaps your prediction is yet future.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-18   0:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: interpreter (#35)

My point is God is Sovereign. His Hand is in every event and every breath we take.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-18   0:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: interpreter (#40)

No, human life is not expendable. The earth is, but we are not. We are probably more valuable to God than the entire universe as you say.

We ARE more valuable than the entire universe. No "probably" about it. We agree on that. However, human life IS expendable. The rub is this: We are not primarily human, and there is nothing intrinsically holy or spiritual about the humanity. We are primarily souls, and human conception/birth does not cause a soul to come into existence. Why would it?

Souls are created outside of this earth, this universe. And we as souls inhabit the human bodies we live in. We as souls are more valuable than the universe, but our bodies are completely expendable.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-18   0:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TooConservative (#36)

dleghunter Isaiah 61. Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Pretty much, just the Pharisees of that era. Also, pharisaic types of any era, I suppose.

I believe you mistook my point. Christ will come again to judge at His second coming. I believe most creedal Christian traditions hold this as indisputable truth as we see in Matthew 24-25 and reinforced in epistles and Revelation.

I was not making the point of Christians taking temporal judgment in their own hands.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-18   0:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative (#37)

Nice photo of dear old Papa.

What, you didn't think that Jack Chick invented this genre, did you? ; )

The uncanny design is Chickesque. ;)

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-18   1:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter, interpreter (#48)

I was not making the point of Christians taking temporal judgment in their own hands.

Exactly. Jesus never told his followers to kill Pharisees or Roman occupiers. Jesus taught to turn the other cheek.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-18   1:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: interpreter, TooConservative (#39) (Edited)

Meh. Find me some New Testament scripture that designate the enemies of Christ. Luke 19:27

Bad theology usually starts with the plucking of an OT verse and ends with an eisegesis of a NT parable.

Luke 19:27 can easily be placed at Christ's second coming as seen in Revelation 19.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-18   1:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: interpreter (#42)

I think you mean verse 27. In that verse, Jesus clearly defines His enemies as anyone who doesn't want a Christian nation ruling over them. They are to be killed.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate on something. I hope you don't mind. I'll say at the outset and again in closing what I already said above: I hold nothing against you whatsoever.

You were in Vietnam. You implied on this thread that you have done a service to God by killing "enemies of Jesus".

I'm sure many of these "enemies" were armed. But perhaps some were unarmed. Perhaps some were unarmed women or unarmed children?

Perhaps after your tour of duty ended, you struggled with some guilt over what you did or participated in? In your effort to find some solice, some escape from the guilt, you found this Bible verse which gave you a way out from guilt. By believing it, you could finally get some peace that what you did was okay to do, because you were now following God's orders, not some platoon sergeant's, and not your own.

We are capable of believing pretty much anything under the sun. I guess it's a human nature thing, and one of the reasons beliefs not just about faith but about every else from politics and morals, health, vary so much. That's one of the reasons I've personally stepped away from the dogma that says that you have to believe some certain academic truth or God will send you to hell for all eternity. Somehow, I cannot believe that God would be so shallow, especially when what we "believe", to the extent something truly can be, is limited by the biochemical synaptic nerve firings in the brain, in which our own DNA may even play a role.

In any event, the reason you have such hardened confidence in this single bible verse is because it makes your past actions in Vietnam much easier to live with.

Again, I hope you don't mind my speculation, and again, I hold nothing against you, even if it may be true that you would consider me one of these "enemies" referred to in the Bible, such that if we ever met in person, you might see fit to kill me on the spot. I don't consider you an enemy.

And there is nothing any man can take from any other, even his life, that God cannot and does not undo. That is a truth anyone can take solace in.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-18   1:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#50)

Intrepreter should be false intrepreter.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-18   7:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)

I wouldn't go that far. I was just taking exception to the term "enemy of Christ". If you are to take that position, you should have multiple portions of red-letter scripture with Jesus plainly declaring His enemies. Otherwise, you can use the term to justify any act of killing, something not unknown with the Crusaders and with the Catholic system more broadly. Lots of people have been killed using this as an excuse but it's just murder.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-18   10:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: redleghunter (#51) (Edited)

Sorry, double post.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-18   19:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: redleghunter (#51)

Bad theology usually starts with the plucking of an OT verse and ends with an eisegesis of a NT parable.

Luke 19:27 can easily be placed at Christ's second coming as seen in Revelation 19.

Indeed, Luke 19:27 is definitely referring to Christ's second coming. And the history books tell us that the second coming, when Jesus returned with a kingdom, occurred on Oct. 28th, 312AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds, and Jesus appeared to Constantine and said "By this conquer." Constantine always rode a white horse or rode in a chariot pulled by white horses as in his triumphant entry into Rome when he rode in a chariot pulled by seven white horses. And he conquered all the known world for Jesus with a bow as also prophesied. And he sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together (to Nicea) as prophesied in the Gospels.

The 5th horseman of chapter 19 that you allude to is not Jesus (despite what you and many other Christians have concluded), but he is indeed the final installment of the second coming and fulfills all the prophesies that the first four horsemen didn't fulfill. I believe the 5th horseman is Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbs. His name is said to be the Word of God which signifies he is a Slav. (Slav is short for Slovo which means "Word of God"). The name of his horse is said to be "Faithful and True" which is the definition of Orthodox, and signifies that he rides the Orthodox Church into power (as did the first horseman). And, as General Ratko announced in a loud voice to the birds, standing in the sun on the World News, the Srebronica Massacre (that he was about to carry out) is the fulfillment of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb that results in thousands of corpses for the birds of the air to feast on. His exact words are quoted in verses 17-18. At some point the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus, i.e, the US, will grow old and decline in power as all the other horseman have done, and will be replaced by the next horseman. And I am fairly certain that the Serbs will rule the earth with a rod of iron -- if what they have done so far in the Serb controlled nations of Serbia, Republica Srpska, Montenegro, and Kosovo is any indication. More than any other Christian nation in history, they excel at obeying the command of Jesus to kill His enemies. And sometimes, Serbian Martyrs riding on white horses lead them into Battle (as is well documented in a WW I battle). At other times, Serbian priests lead the Serbs into battle sitting on the turret of a tank.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-18   19:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: TooConservative (#50)

Exactly. Jesus never told his followers to kill Pharisees or Roman occupiers. Jesus taught to turn the other cheek.

That was before the second coming when Christians came to be in the majority and were able to amass the world's most powerful armies (with a little help from Jesus). Constantine was able to kill off all the Roman occupiers like Jesus wanted to do in 30 AD (but His followers couldn't come up with enough swords at that time). Since 312 AD we have had enough swords (which Jesus came to bring).

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-18   19:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TooConservative (#54)

I wouldn't go that far. I was just taking exception to the term "enemy of Christ". If you are to take that position, you should have multiple portions of red-letter scripture with Jesus plainly declaring His enemies. Otherwise, you can use the term to justify any act of killing, something not unknown with the Crusaders and with the Catholic system more broadly. Lots of people have been killed using this as an excuse but it's just murder.

Jesus also said He came not to bring peace, but a sword. And he told His disciples, if they didn't own a sword, to sell the shirt of their back and buy one. How many verses do you want?

And Jesus very clearly defines who His enemies are that we are commanded to kill. The Crusaders did an excellent job of killing the enemies of Jesus in the first Crusade but yes they were not perfect and killed many innocents in later Crusades as you allude to.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-18   20:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pinguinite (#52) (Edited)

Again, I hope you don't mind my speculation, and again, I hold nothing against you, even if it may be true that you would consider me one of these "enemies" referred to in the Bible, such that if we ever met in person, you might see fit to kill me on the spot. I don't consider you an enemy.

Don't worry, you are not going to be killed by me or any other Christian soldier unless of course if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US). Many Americans are likely to be killed by the enemies of Jesus though (i.e., by ISIS). They are who you need to worry about.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-18   20:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: interpreter (#59)

Don't worry, you are not going to be killed by me or any other Christian soldier unless of course if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US).

Whew!! That's such a relief. Thank you.

But having read your other posts, I gotta say that, dude, you are really *out there*. Hehe...

I'm familiar with the teachings of a number of Christian denominations, and what you are saying is quite a bit removed from what the others I know of teach.

I thought when Jesus comes back, it would be in a fashion that no one would be able to deny, as lightning flashes from the east to the west, and with every knee bowing. That sort of thing. And whatever happened in 312 AD or so apparently failed to make that universal, irrevocable impression.

But, you are in good company, I guess. There are people here who consider me "out there" as well with my views. But at least I have the advantage of having my views shared by others. Are your views shared by others or are they ones you came to on your own? I'm curious.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-19   3:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: interpreter (#59)

if you resist being ruled by a Christian nation (such as the US)

Does a christian nation have faggot pretend marriage?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-19   6:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Pinguinite (#60)

But, you are in good company, I guess. There are people here who consider me "out there" as well with my views. But at least I have the advantage of having my views shared by others. Are your views shared by others or are they ones you came to on your own? I'm curious.

The vast majority of my interpretations of the Revelation are entirely my own, which took 50 years of extensive study to develop. But the Geneva Bible (carried by the Puritans) correctly identifies the first horseman as Constantine in the marginal notes, and long before that, the Patriarch of Jerusalem correctly identified the prophesied abomination of desolation in the Holy Spot as being Muslims and the Dome on the Rock.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-19   9:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#61)

Does a christian nation have faggot pretend marriage?

You may have a valid point there. I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons God will soon replace the US with the 5th horseman.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-19   9:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#53)

Intrepreter should be false intrepreter.

As every one knows, any theory can only be proven by its ability to predict things. That includes eschatological theories. So in 1992 I began to test my theory by predicting things. Every year since then I have made my annual predictions, and every one of them have come true with 100 % accuracy. Meanwhile, Hal Lindsay and hundreds of other eschatologists have also made many predictions, and not one of them has ever come to pass as far as I know. In OT days they would have been stoned to death after making even one false prophecy. They are the main reason the world is laughing at Christians and Christianity. I aim to change that by getting my predictions out there for all the world to see and then Christianity will be respected again.

You can see my latest predictions at the7lastplagues.com. This year all of my predictions were fulfilled early, and something told me (and I believe it was God and/or His Holy Spirit) to post my predictions early. I usually post my predictions on December 31st, but this time I posted my predictions 4 weeks early. Exactly 24 hours later, prediction # 6, "Muslim immigrants will stage a Paris-style attack in the US" came true (in San Bernardino) A couple weeks after that, news began to break about the toxic water in Flint (prediction # 3), and a few day after that news began to break about a new disease called the Zika virus (prediction # 5). I have accurately predicted all the major events of the last 25 Years, but if I had not published by predictions early this time I would have missed three important events and my distractors could have accused me of missing 3 important events. God is good. There is no way anyone can legitimately call me a misinterpreter.

PS. The big news today is that January was the hottest month of all time by far. Temperatures in the artic were 7 degrees above normal. I'm pretty sure my prediction # 4 (that 2016 will be hottest year on record by far) is safe.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-19   10:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: interpreter (#64)

I aim to change that by getting my predictions out there for all the world to see and then Christianity will be respected again.

Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me.

Here's a top ten list:

www.horseracingnation.com...ipses_Big_Ten_201622_123#

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-02-19   10:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Fred Mertz (#65)

Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me.

Here's a top ten list:

I take great pride in my ability to predict things, but predicting horses is not one of them. Your welcome to ask me anything else.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-19   11:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: interpreter (#66)

I would invite you to post your predictions here for us to see in advance, if you don't mind the scrutiny. You choose the nature of it.

Sometimes predictions are reasonably obtuse, such that their coming true is reasonably inescapable. And sometimes predictions are open ended time wise such that waiting long enough inevitably generates an event sufficiently matching the prediction.

An impressive prediction is limited in time span for the event to occur, and also sufficiently detailed. Having both attributes rules out random chance as a significant crediting factor in the prediction.

In the spiritual model as I see it, likely aspects of the future are known, at least when viewed from the spirit world. To an extent, at the soul / deepest subconscious level, we usually have a pretty good idea of what will happen in terms of significant events, including life-changing accidents and such. Mostly this is in terms of our personal life events, but gifts are far ranging for all of us. So by way of disclaimer, I do not consider one's ability to predict the future accurately, or any other spiritual gift, to be proof that the person's theological understanding is accurate. The two are mutually exclusive.

Still, if you claim this ability, I would be interested in seeing it in action.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-19   13:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pinguinite (#67)

I would invite you to post your predictions here for us to see in advance, if you don't mind the scrutiny. You choose the nature of it.

Sometimes predictions are reasonably obtuse, such that their coming true is reasonably inescapable. And sometimes predictions are open ended time wise such that waiting long enough inevitably generates an event sufficiently matching the prediction.

An impressive prediction is limited in time span for the event to occur, and also sufficiently detailed. Having both attributes rules out random chance as a significant crediting factor in the prediction.

In the spiritual model as I see it, likely aspects of the future are known, at least when viewed from the spirit world. To an extent, at the soul / deepest subconscious level, we usually have a pretty good idea of what will happen in terms of significant events, including life-changing accidents and such. Mostly this is in terms of our personal life events, but gifts are far ranging for all of us. So by way of disclaimer, I do not consider one's ability to predict the future accurately, or any other spiritual gift, to be proof that the person's theological understanding is accurate. The two are mutually exclusive.

Still, if you claim this ability, I would be interested in seeing it in action.

I posted my annual predictions on Liberty's Flame at the same time I posted them on the7lastplagues.com, back on Dec. 4th in "2016 in Bible Prophecy." That was my first post on LF.

As far as you wanting my predictions to fit your definition of a good prediction, I can only repeat and expand on what the Revelation says. On my website, from time to time I expand on my predictions and occasionally add new predictions, so you will want to go there if you want to see all my predictions.

interpreter  posted on  2016-02-19   16:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Fred Mertz (#65)

Okay, smart guy, which horse will win the Kentucky Derby on May 7,2016? To be safe, send in your answer by Private Message to me.

Here's a top ten list:

www.horseracingnation.com...ipses_Big_Ten_201622_123#

LOL that was hilarious Fred.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-19   16:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: redleghunter (#69)

Hey, can't blame me for trying to get a life-changing score on the big race.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-02-19   16:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Fred Mertz, redleghunter (#70)

Hey, I can tell you the score of the next Super Bowl before the game begins.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-02-19   16:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Fred Mertz, Biff Tannen (#70)

Hey, can't blame me for trying to get a life-changing score on the big race.

I would expect such out of Biff first.

What happened to him BTW?

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-19   22:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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