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Title: Trump Baja venture leaves buyers high and dry
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URL Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/business/fi-trump7
Published: Mar 7, 2009
Author: Unknown
Post Date: 2016-02-11 07:02:44 by sneakypete
Keywords: None
Views: 2675
Comments: 58

Deposits totaling $32.2 million are lost in the collapse of the celebrity developer's hotel-condo project.

SAN DIEGO — Stephen and Linda Drake cast aside concerns about owning property in Mexico because they believed in Donald Trump.

The Southern California couple made a $250,000 down payment on a 19th-floor oceanfront condo in Trump Ocean Resort Baja in 2006 before the first construction crew arrived.

But admiration for the celebrity developer and star of "The Apprentice" has now turned into anger and disbelief as Trump's luxury hotel-condo plan collapsed, leaving little more than a hole in the ground and investors out of their deposits, which totaled $32.2 million.

"I can't even stand to see Trump's face on TV," said Linda Drake, a psychologist whose husband is a commercial airline pilot and financial advisor.

Investors were told last month that their money was spent and that they wouldn't get a penny back. A single mother in suburban Los Angeles lost $200,000 and won't be able to send her sons to private universities. A Los Angeles-area businessman lost a deposit of more than $1 million on four Trump units, including two penthouses.

The project's collapse comes at a delicate time for Trump, whose casino company, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., filed for bankruptcy protection last month. He also is embroiled in a lawsuit to avoid paying debt on the struggling Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago.

Trump and his children heavily promoted the northern tip of Mexico's Baja California coast. He sold 188 units for $122 million the first day they went on a sale at a lavish event in a downtown San Diego hotel in December 2006.

"I went out and saw this site, and I was blown away by it," Ivanka Trump said in June 2007. "From the minute I saw it, it was a deal I had to do."

The location was a contrast to more-expensive Mexican coastal markets such as Puerto Vallarta, Los Cabos and Cancun, she said.

The Trumps remained buoyant even as the U.S. housing market began to crumble. Ivanka Trump assured buyers in an October 2007 newsletter that all Trump projects were immune to a slowdown.

"In characteristic Trump fashion, Trump Ocean Resort Baja will be the best of the best, and consequently always in demand," she wrote.

All that remains of Trump Baja is a highway billboard with a large photo of Donald Trump that advertises condos for sale. It hovers over a closed sales center and showroom, a paved parking lot, a big hole that cuts a wide swath, drainage pipes and construction equipment.

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#18. To: sneakypete (#17)

("selling" himself),who can you trust?

Are you trying us we should take a fag in a trash can seriously?

That is funny.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-11   11:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Roscoe (#5)

They got their money back.

No,they got a PORTION of their money back. They didn't get a dime from Trump for all the time he charged the corporation for him,his lawyers,bodyguards,use of his jet to fly to personal appearances,his appearance fees,etc,etc,etc.

rump was not the developer, as the 2009 AP article in the Los Angeles Times falsely claimed,...

No,but he rented his "Tradmark" (his name) to the project so potential buyers would think he was the developer,and never once denied it. Either he knew before signing the contract that it was illegal for Americans to own coastal property in Mexico,or he is a dumbass that hired incompetent lawyers. Which is it,stupid or crooked?

Or maybe a combination of the two?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   11:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Roscoe (#8)

Not only that, he was convicted of fraud in the Supreme Magic Court of Unicorn Land.

Isn't that the world where he is a conservative and the smartest man in the world?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   11:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#19) (Edited)

They didn't get a dime from Trump

You're so emotional. In fact, they got a settlement from Trump in 2013, not that facts matter compared to your intense feelings.

Have you heard of this thing they call Google?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   11:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Roscoe (#21)

hey didn't get a dime from Trump You're so emotional. In fact, they got a settlement from Trump in 2013, not that facts matter compared to your intense feelings.

Good observation about Pete. He does react with emotions a lot of time. Then just starts spouting off his Oscar the grouch routine.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-11   11:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Oscar. You told us Bernie is the most conservative.

No,I just said he wss more conservative than some of the alleged Republican candidates when it came to jobs and American industries. Bernie wants jobs and manufacturing to come back to America,and the GOP is only interested in stock prices and dividends.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   12:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Are you trying us we should take a fag in a trash can seriously?

That is funny.

Are you now claiming Trump is a homo?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   12:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Roscoe (#21)

You're so emotional. In fact, they got a settlement from Trump in 2013,

www.latimes.com/business/...wsuit-20131127-story.html

Donald Trump has settled a lawsuit with more than 100 would-be condo buyers who lost millions of dollars when a Trump-branded luxury condominium project in Baja California failed.

Bart Ring and Daniel King, attorneys who represented the buyers, declined to discuss details of the settlement because of a confidentiality agreement.

Un,huh. A "dime on the dollar" deal that didn't cost him a dime because he was using their money. Uh,huh. How much did they get? What was the percentage of their money was returned to them?

More than 100 would-be condo buyers filed suit in 2009 against Trump and his developer partners in the project. Last year, the developers agreed to pay $7.25 million to resolve their liability in the case.

Trump told The Times that the developers were to blame, saying he merely licensed his name to the 525-unit oceanfront project and was not involved in building it.

Iz not my fault! I know nutting! NUTTING,I TELL YOU!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   12:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

"dime on the dollar"

Fake quote, the article says nothing of the kind. You're letting your emotions get the better of you again.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   12:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#7)

Yeah ... well ... okay ... but I heard he used eminent domain to evict that old lady and threw her into the parking lot where she was run over by a limousine.

And he had the police shoot her puppy and confiscate the cannabis oil she used to treat her gout.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-02-11   13:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#23)

No,I just said he wss more conservative than some of the alleged Republican candidates when it came to jobs and American industries.

That is not what you said. Your memory is failing you.

Here is what you actually said.

"How far has American fallen when a self-described socialist is the most pro-American and conservative mainstream candidate on the list of presidential contenders?"

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=40152&Disp=39#C39

So quit denying it.

You also said you would never vote for anyone from Texas.

Same thread. Here is your comment.

" I will never vote for another Texas politician. There must be something in the water in Texas that twists their minds."

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-11   15:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#25)

Un,huh. A "dime on the dollar" deal that didn't cost him a dime because he was using their money. Uh,huh. How much did they get? What was the percentage of their money was returned to them?

Oscar. That isn't the way it works.

You don't make a statement claiming it to be a fact. Then ask for the details. If you don't know the details you can't make statements of fact about it.

I know it's over your head Oscar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-11   15:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#24)

No Oscar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-11   15:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Roscoe (#26)

"dime on the dollar"

Fake quote, the article says nothing of the kind.

MOST people understand that an expression within a statement by the author that is surrouned by quotation marks is an indication an expression is being quoted BY THE AUTHOR,not the article he or she is commenting on.

You're really sensitive when it comes to that lying gasbag,aren't you?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   20:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#28) (Edited)

No,I just said he wss more conservative than some of the alleged Republican candidates when it came to jobs and American industries.

That is not what you said. Your memory is failing you.

Here is what you actually said.

"How far has American fallen when a self-described socialist is the most pro-American and conservative mainstream candidate on the list of presidential contenders?"

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=40152&Disp=39#C39

So quit denying it.

I'm not denying it,you dummy. Both what I wrote today and what you quoted send the same message. You just don't like it because it is too close to the truth to be comfortable.

Same thread. Here is your comment.

" I will never vote for another Texas politician. There must be something in the water in Texas that twists their minds."

Yes,I did say that. In fact I said it more than once. I MIGHT be having to back off from that because I am CONSIDERING voting for Cruz.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   20:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

You don't make a statement claiming it to be a fact.

Really? YOU seem to be convinced "they got their money back",so please regale us all with the details. Did they get ALL of their money back,or only 5 percent after legal fees?

Somewhere in-between? Do tell,all-knowing one.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-11   20:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#31)

the article says nothing of the kind

You fled that point, gibbering in terror.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   20:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#29)

You don't make a statement claiming it to be a fact. Then ask for the details.

He does. Lots.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   20:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#25)

Trump told The Times that the developers were to blame, saying he merely licensed his name to the 525-unit oceanfront project and was not involved in building it.

Infuriating that he can use his name to sell the condos and then have no responsibility for his shady partners bilking them of their investment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-11   20:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#36)

then have no responsibility

They got a settlement from Trump in 2013. Do you ever not lie?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   21:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Roscoe (#37)

They got a settlement from Trump in 2013.

Pennies on the dollar. And they were forced to take that under a confidentiality agreement which keeps them quiet and cost Trump a fraction of what he and his cronies made on this scam.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-11   21:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative (#38)

Pennies on the dollar.

I'd ask for a source, but we both know you're lying. It's what you do.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-11   22:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Roscoe (#34)

the article says nothing of the kind

You fled that point, gibbering in terror.

You have a rich fantasy life.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-12   0:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Roscoe (#39)

I'd ask for a source, but we both know you're lying. It's what you do.

The only reason for a confidentiality agreement is that they settled for a lot less than they invested. If they had received full refunds (less the amount for the pittance of construction that actually did occur), there would be no need for confidentiality and Trump would be eager to say that the investors got all their money back.

But they didn't. And they are bitter about it. Some of them couldn't send their kids to the schools they wanted and they couldn't retire because they trusted Trump. And he let his cronies bilk them out of the money in a real estate scam.

Paying the premium for a Trump property was supposed to be a guarantee that a famous real estate developer would protect their interests. But it didn't. Trump had only sold his name to scammers so they could draw in some rubes. And then, to get back a pittance of what they had been robbed of, they had to sign a confidentiality agreement.

Don't assume that that confidentiality will hold up if Trump gets the nomination. I think this real estate scheme will become front page news if/when Trump is the GOP nominee.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-12   4:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TooConservative (#41)

The only reason for a confidentiality agreement is that they settled for a lot less than they invested.

Bull crap.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-12   5:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Roscoe (#42) (Edited)

Your trollery aside, you obviously know I am right about this. Trump didn't cover himself with glory in this real estate scam where he sold his brand name to fraudsters who bilked those investors of their money on the merit of the Trump brand name, in some cases, depleting their life savings.

This is certainly not the last we'll hear of this, particularly if Trump gains a strong path to the GOP nomination.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-12   6:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TooConservative (#43) (Edited)

Whitewater didn't stop the Clintons.

Bajagate will not stop Trump.

People who intensely hate the candidate will get themselves all whipped up in a fine Marhatta fury about something they find out about a candidate.

The rest of the country just saw Whitewater as a vehicle for screaming haters, and will see the same thing about Bajagate.

I'm voting for a leader, not a saint. If I was looking to vote for somebody who was above any reproach on anything, of course I would have to vote for you, Too Conservative, because you are lily white in everything you've ever said, done or thought.

Because obviously anybody who has ever deviated from the path is unqualified to be President. At least that's what one would think from the gotcha moralists.

I'm a Catholic. We don't believe in divorce and remarriage. Trump's been married three times. Which means that he is, under the laws of God, an open serial adulterer. Reagan was also an adulterer. Washington certainly tried his hand at wooing another man's wife (she kept the letters). Lincoln may have been sleeping with an Army Major who was his aide. They'll all answer to God for that. I'm not looking to marry them, I'm looking for leadership on certain key issues.

Trump has the leadership on those issues.

By the way, has Cruz proposed legislation to strip government of eminent domain authortity? No?

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-12   7:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#44) (Edited)

Whitewater didn't stop the Clintons.

Bajagate will not stop Trump.

You may be right. Or not.

Recall how the sealed divorce proceedings in Chicago against 0bama's GOP opponent were exposed, Jack Ryan, involving (apparently accurate) allegations that he forced his wife into swingers' clubs, was used to defeat him and gain 0bama a Senate seat.

You are naive if you think that Trump's past scandals will not resurface, even in cases of confidentiality or sealed court records. As you must surely know as an attorney, that does not entirely bar public disclosure (or creating the impression of same).

Irregardless of the merits, these are the plain politics of the matter and we have good cause to doubt the media will conduct themselves fairly or that dirty tricksters won't find ways to bring these case to light with the voters.

I'm a Catholic.

TL;DR.     : )

You may as well save yourself the keystrokes. LOL

Once the Court has ruled, exactly what would you expect? Cruz knows the score already. Apparently you don't. Or at least you think that us non-lawyer rubes won't. But I don't doubt that you think this is a decisive argument for your guy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-12   7:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TooConservative (#45)

Once the court has ruled...

Very well then: abortion is the law of the land. Get over it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-12   7:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Vicomte13 (#46)

Very well then: abortion is the law of the land. Get over it.

So you admit that all the pro-life arguments you've made for the last fifteen years are moot and meaningless, however passionately you present them.

Fine.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-12   8:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TooConservative (#36)

"Infuriating that he can use his name to sell the condos and then have no responsibility for his shady partners bilking them of their investment."

Are you saying this was Trump's plan all along? Seems to me he was "bilked" by the developers like everyone else.

More so because he had invested his name which is worth a lot more than a couple of million dollars.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-12   9:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative (#47)

So you admit...

No. I think your argument that "the court decided..." is just a pile of crap.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-12   9:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TooConservative (#43)

you obviously know I am right about this.

Bull crap.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-12   10:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#48)

Deep pockets attract nuisance suits.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-12   10:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Roscoe, tooconservative (#39)

I'd ask for a source, but we both know you're lying. It's what you do.

From my experience TC is an honest person.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-12   10:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#52)

From my experience TC is an honest person.

Well, I'm not above grinding an ax or two.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-12   10:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Roscoe (#51)

"Deep pockets attract nuisance suits."

"The parents of players on the Jackie Robinson West youth baseball team, which was stripped of the 2014 U.S. Little League championship in a residency scandal, have sued the volunteers who ran the team, the rival coaches who turned them in, Little League Baseball, ESPN and commentator Stephen A. Smith."

OK. Which of youse gots the most money?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-12   10:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#52)

Oh? How long do you figure it will take him to come up with that source?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-12   10:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: misterwhite (#54)

OK. Which of youse gots the most money?

Those dirty volunteers probably won't even pay back a fraction of the hundreds of billions of dollars they pocketed!!!

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-12   10:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Roscoe (#56) (Edited)

"Those dirty volunteers probably won't even pay back a fraction of of of the hundreds of billions of dollars they pocketed!!!"

The parents will end up with pennies on the dollar (according to you-know-who).

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-12   10:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Roscoe (#56)

"... a fraction of the hundreds of billions of dollars ..."

Hundreds? I did not know that.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-12   10:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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