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Published: Feb 10, 2016
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2016-02-10 18:42:20 by paraclete
Keywords: WWIII, Turkey, Syria
Views: 1065
Comments: 7

Gee it's tough when your proxy war doesn't go the way you want. Turkey is looking for support in its war on the Kurds and isn't finding it, so it is suggesting the US is responsible for its woes in an endeavour to defect its interal political situation.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has lashed out at the US over its support for Syria's main Kurdish group.

The failure to recognise the Democratic Union Party (PYD) as a terrorist group was creating a "sea of blood", he said.

Turkey says the PYD, on which the US relies to battle so-called Islamic State in Syria, is an offshoot of the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

Mr Erdogan's comments come as Turkey faces pressure to allow in 30,000 Syrian refugees stranded on its border.

The refugees have fled an offensive by Syrian government forces and Iranian-backed militias, supported by Russian air strikes, on rebel-held areas around the divided northern city of Aleppo.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said the humanitarian situation in the Aleppo area is deteriorating rapidly as supply routes used for bringing in aid have been cut.

There has been a shortage of fuel and electric power and lack of water is a particular concern, it said, estimating that 50,000 people have been displaced by the recent upsurge in fighting.

More than 500 people, including dozens of civilians, have been killed since the assault began 10 days ago, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group.

Medecins Sans Frontieres meanwhile warned that the fighting was placing extreme pressure on the already devastated healthcare system in the border town of Azaz.

MSF's head of mission for Syria, Muskilda Zancada, warned that displaced people, including young children and the elderly, could be stuck living in the open in freezing conditions, with severe effects on their health.

Turkey has already taken in more than 2.5 million Syrian refugees over the past five years and says it will continue to do so in a "controlled fashion".

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Wednesday that he considered the UN Security Council "two-faced" for telling Turkey to open its borders, accusing it of failing to stop the Russian air strikes that had caused people to flee Aleppo.

He also warned that by taking in the refugees, Turkey would be indirectly contributing to "ethnic cleansing" in northern Syria by the government.

'Abandoned by the West'

Earlier, in some of some of his fiercest remarks so far against the US, Turkey's president asked in a speech: "Are you on our side or the side of the terrorist PYD and PKK organisation?"

"Is there a difference between the PKK and the PYD? Is there a difference with the YPG?" he added, referring to the PYD's militia, the Popular Protection Units.

"We have written proof! We tell the Americans: 'It's a terror group.' But the Americans stand up and say: 'No, we don't see them as terror groups.'"

Mr Erdogan said the failure to do so meant the region had "turned into a pool of blood".

While Turkey sees the PYD and YPG as offshoots of the banned PKK, the US does not and believes they are the only effective force against IS on the ground in Syria, reports the BBC's Mark Lowen in Istanbul.

But Ankara worries they will fan Kurdish separatism in Turkey and that arms given to the Syrian Kurds will seep over the border to the PKK, with which armed conflict has resumed, our correspondent says. Image copyrightReutersImage caption The UN says 300,000 people could be cut off from food aid if government forces encircle Aleppo Mr Erdogan regularly hits out at the West over Syria, accusing it of complicity by not intervening to topple President Bashar al-Assad and calling "baseless" the criticism that jihadists have been allowed to cross Turkey's border, our correspondent adds.

France's outgoing Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, also questioned the commitment of the US to resolve the crisis in Syria on Wednesday, saying its "ambiguous" policy was contributing to the problem.

Mr Fabius said he did not expect President Barack Obama to change his strategy before leaving office, regardless of what Secretary of State John Kerry told Mr Assad's main backers.

"I'm not sure that the end of Mr Obama's mandate will push him to act as much as his minister declares [publicly]," he added. "There are words, but actions are different and obviously the Iranians and Russians feel that."

The commander of the rebels' joint operations room in Aleppo, Maj Yasser Abdul Rahim, told the BBC that they would "defend our lands to the last man".

But he warned: "We feel that we were sold to the Russians, and that the West has abandoned us."

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#1. To: paraclete (#0)

Turkey says the PYD, on which the US relies to battle so-called Islamic State in Syria, is an offshoot of the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

The PYD is in no way a front for the PKK (which is a communist Kurdish party who has committed terrorist acts against Turkey).

Erdogan is merely using the PYD as a whipping boy for the PKK to justify his own quiet invasion of northwestern Iraq under the pretext that he is fighting PKK commie terrorists. But everyone knows that PYD is not the PKK.

So this claim is mere propaganda.

Turkey has been told pointedly to remove its forces from northwestern Iraq and they have no legal standing at all to be there. They are illegal invaders there. I hope that Iraq will just bomb the Turkish forces operating inside Iraq into next week to teach them to stay on their side of the border but Iraq probably isn't that competent.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-10   19:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

This is what is called being between a rock and a hrd place particularly for the Kurds who can expect minimum support from Baghdad. the Kurds are the most successful fighters against Deash while Baghdad makes it slow and ponderous response to both Daesh and Turkish aggression

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-10   19:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#0)

Tell Oooga-Booga to call Liechtenstein - it's their turn. We're busy.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2016-02-10   20:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete (#0)

Turkey's pretty much running out of friends in the region. Russia's pissed and NATO ain't in the position to do shit. Who they gonna call, the house of saud? Pooty Poot's got erdogan's bells in a sling.

Logsplitter  posted on  2016-02-10   23:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Logsplitter (#4)

Pooty Poot's got erdogan's bells in a sling.

Yes and it is agood place for the little Turkish hitler. Sure he can ask for saudi help they are on the same side of supporting daesh, but he had better not shoot down any more Russian planes or he just might get a cruise missile up his muslim ass. Turkey has a long history of exterminating minorities just like hitler used to do. Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, shiia and yet they think we shoudl help them out with the refugees from their proxy war

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-10   23:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#1)

Erdogan is merely using the PYD as a whipping boy for the PKK to justify his own quiet invasion of northwestern Iraq under the pretext that he is fighting PKK commie terrorists. But everyone knows that PYD is not the PKK.

Erdogan is setting Turkey back 100 years back to the time of orthodox islam before Ataturk.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-11   3:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#1)

Turkey has been told pointedly to remove its forces from northwestern Iraq and they have no legal standing at all to be there. They are illegal invaders there. I hope that Iraq will just bomb the Turkish forces operating inside Iraq into next week to teach them to stay on their side of the border but Iraq probably isn't that competent.

They could get Putin to do it, I'm sure Russia would love the chance for some payback.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-02-11   13:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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