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Title: My email to New Hampshire Primary voters
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Published: Feb 9, 2016
Author: Bob Celeste
Post Date: 2016-02-09 07:11:41 by BobCeleste
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Views: 2666
Comments: 15

Friends and neighbors in New Hampshire;

Today you go to the polls and vote for your primary choice in the Republican Party.

The president is described in the US Constitution as being not only the Commander In Chief of the US Military, but also and I quote “The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. ”

There are four men running who have executive experience, Governor Christie, Former Governor Bush and former Governor Kasich each has executive experience as governors. The fourth is Businessman Donald Trump.

Of the four only one has executive experience using his own money and not the bottomless pit of tax dollars. That one would be Businessman Donald John Trump. I would hope and pray you would keep that in mind as you vote today.

On the ballot are five politicians begging the donor class for money and one self funding businessman.


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I am not voting for a Pastor, I am voting for the one man who I believe can give my grandchildren the same country and chances I had at their age.

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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)

I am not voting for a Pastor, I am voting for the one man who I believe can give my grandchildren the same country and chances I had at their age.

Concur.

I'm not voting for a Saint. I'm voting for a military and economic leader.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-09   7:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

I agree.

Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.

BobCeleste  posted on  2016-02-09   7:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

I'm not voting for a Saint.

To get you out of the economic mire you are in you might need a saint

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-09   8:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste (#1)

" I am not voting for a Pastor, I am voting for the one man who I believe can give my grandchildren the same country and chances I had at their age.

Concur.

I'm not voting for a Saint. I'm voting for a military and economic leader. "

Agree with both of you !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

Stoner  posted on  2016-02-09   8:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#4)

" I am not voting for a Pastor, I am voting for the one man who I believe can give my grandchildren the same country and chances I had at their age.

Amen.

But my fellow Americans are voting for the best vaudville acts.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-09   9:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BobCeleste (#0)

Trump : Because we need a private sector ,outsider ,crony capitalist in the White House

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-09   9:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rlk (#5)

" Americans are voting for the best vaudville acts "

This morning, while drinking my coffee, had the radio on. Glen Beck & his crew of three stooges were on. They are on an obsessive quest to slam trump. That is all they do.

I do not know why. They are obsessed, like it is personal. Beck & his clown crew are obviously in the tank for Cruz, but they are rabid anti Trump!

Either someone is paying them to be so, or they think they are earning brownie points with the establishment, like I think Megyn Kelly thought she was doing.

I do not know which it is.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

Stoner  posted on  2016-02-09   11:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete (#3)

To get you out of the economic mire you are in you might need a saint

Perhaps. I do not expect any to be forthcoming. We all bear our cross through life, die, and are judged based on very different economic criteria than those by which the world judges.

The Lord provides. He always has, and He always will.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-09   11:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

The Lord provides. He always has, and He always will.

The conditions for that to happen in america are not present, you have long ago decided to rely upon your own resources

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-09   16:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#9)

The conditions for that to happen in america are not present, you have long ago decided to rely upon your own resources

You could not be more mistaken in the guess you have taken.

If we knew each other, you would be abashed.

But we don't, so you've made a story that made sense to you.

Truth is, God has brought me forth, with a steady hand that never failed, safe through the sea. So I trust him, and I know that the economic plan he laid out for mankind is the best.

Which is why I preach it - and meet angry resistance from people who have done what you said: chosen to rely on their own resources.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-09   16:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#8) (Edited)

To get you out of the economic mire you are in you might need a saint

During recent decades we have shit all over ourselves in every way possible. It will require time, patience, effort, and judicious serious leadership to rebuild what has been destroyed. Our educational system has been destroyed. Our conception of economics has been destroyed. Our culture has become dominated by worthless eternal impulsive teenagers. Don't expect any quick six month cures. We may need to junk three generations to make any improvement. My personal estimate is that it will take 40 years to begin to rebuild this nation.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-10   1:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rlk (#11) (Edited)

look your race is being run by old people, a 74 year old and a 66 year old, to name a couple. What it tells me is nooone has had an original idea in years. Now I'm not against old people they have useful experience, but an election is always about the future and friend, you don't have forty years, you don't even have ten. You have to pull your shit out of the fire or be consigned to the civilisations of history, another empire gone. Look at history see that once you begin to contract it is the beginning of the end, so take a look at the former empires and see where they are.

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-10   2:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#12)

Just because an idea is touted as new, doesn't mean it's valid. I have yet to hear any new ideas you are referring to from the young in this country.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-10   4:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#13)

have yet to hear any new ideas you are referring to from the young in this country.

Well of course do you think your education system is teaching them to think, Original thought is not welcome in colleges, only that which is supported by a PHD dissertation gets through. the people who actually do things don't have a PHD they learn from life and that is where original ideas come from. I have done more in my life without a PHD than I could have achieved with one.

The old idea is change nothing, do the same because just maybe it works, the real idea is find out what works and do it and move on regardless

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-10   5:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk (#11)

During recent decades we have shit all over ourselves in every way possible.

This is where American conservatives and I fundamentally disagree.

It has not been "recent decades", it has been for centuries and centuries.

Our culture - those of us who are of Celtic or Latinate origin anyway - has professed Christianity since the 4th Century. Those of Germanic or Scandinavian origin, since some time between the 5th and the 10th Centuries. We have had the proper model for human conduct right before our eyes and ears at all times for the past one thousand to sixteen-hundred years.

As peoples, our ancestors professed firm faith in the God who walked as a man among men and laid before us a model of conduct and a rule for mankind, who lived by that rule, and died by it. And our God said point blank to us that it does us no good to say we have faith in him if we do not do what he commanded us to do.

What did he command us to do? To be peaceful, to love each other, to take care of each other, to not dominate, to not stack up wealth, to be forgiving.

And which of our cultures did anything like that?

The closest our ancestors ever came to it were the Romans themselves who, when they Christianized, shut down the arenas and stopped feeding people to lions. But they did not abolish debt slavery, they did not live according to God's principles. And so God let them be destroyed by other aggressive people, who in turn professed Christianity but did not actually practice it.

Our own American civilization begins with British settlement of the Eastern Seaboard in the 1600s. The Northrern half of that settlement was for mostly explicitly religious reasons - New England was to be a Puritan Zion, and Pennsylvania was by the peaceful Quakers who, more than anybody else, actually DID practice what they preached. The entire South was founded on English economic principles, with plantation slavery and penal colonies for debt. And even in the North New York, which became the greatest of all of the cities of America, was founded by the Dutch for reasons of commerce, not faith.

Those Quakers in Pennsylvania showed the way that a Christian society COULD in fact function: they bought all of the land they used from the Indians and never fought even one Indian war. They allowed women to participate in their councils of decision, and they abolished slavery, which had begun to creep in among the wealthy, in 1700.

But what happened to Pennsylvania is a harbinger of how Anglo-America walked away from God and shut all over ourselves. As to the slaves, the slaveowning interests took the colony of Pennsylvania to court before the Privy Council in London, and the Privy Council ruled, in high Anglo-Saxon economic tradition and defiance of God, that Englishmen had the God-given right to property in slaves. Slavery was reimposed on Pennsylvania colony.

And as for the Indians? The Quakers never fought them, and the Indians never attacked them - the Indians could discern who treated them well and who did not. But the Scotch-Irish poured into Pennsylvania (escaping the British oppression of their industries at home), and poured into the backcountry, where they fought a series of bloody skirmishes to seize the land from the Indians that the Quakers would only acquire by purchase.

A truly Christian country - Quaker Pennsylvania - had its Christianity woven into the very fabric of the society AND IT WORKED. Pennsylvania grew faster than the other colonies, was peaceful on the frontiers and prosperous through labor, so much so that Philadelphia was the largest city in America. But then the Anglo-Saxon culture with its brutal economic norms reasserted itself by force, ripped up Christianity like a weed and threw it aside. Violent men preferred to kill to take the land rather than to peacefully buy it. And dominant men preferred to enforce labor commands by the whip, rather than pay men for their labor.

Quaker Pennsylvania was overthrown by the standard Anglo-Saxon model, which came then to dominate all of British America, and which remained through the Revolution.

THAT was when we shit ourselves in this land. For our trajectory forward was one of genocide to GET "free" land. It wasn't free: it came at the price of the national soul. And to overdevelop agriculture through slavery.

Christian charity and peace - the Christian economic model, which DID successfully exist here on these shores - was cast aside in favor of a brutal form of capitalism that we still have. We've done away with slavery, but we brutalized the former slaves for a century. And to this day conservatives bemoan the fact that people who never had any capital have to have money spent on them for education.

The modern bifurcation of American politics into "conservatives" who often wave the banner of Christ, but who espouse a form of economic and social exploitation that sin't Christian and never has been, and "liberals", who are full-on Marxists favoring sexual libertinism and killing of babies to tidy up afterwards.

What were "the good old days"? The 1950s? When blacks had to get off the sidewalk for whites in half the country? When was it?

We passed from slave empire to crony capitalist empire, exapanding by genocide, to segregationist domestic empire over to world empire, and began a series of aggressive colonial actions in places we did not belong. That's how we GOT Puerto Rico, for example. But we bitch about having, then, to deal with the Puerto Ricans - who were brought into the American Empire BY FORCE, BY OUR CHOICE.

American conservatives choose to believe that we had some right to conquer other people, for our economic benefit, but then that we could keep our captives on an island we rule, in squalor and poverty, so that we don't have to experience cultural change and pay for their poverty.

We broke it. We own it.

American liberals kill babies and reject God. It's impossible to build anything lasting on the basis of sexual libertinism and an angry drug and racial culture.

But American conservatives are morally blind, hearkening back to "the good old days" when THEIR PARTICULAR race and class had it better. But they only had it better because of un-Chrisitani conditions their forebears that imposed that favored them.

The bright spot in Anglo-American history is Pennsylvania economics and Puritan New England educational concepts. THAT was Christian, and truly different.

If we're going to hearken back to a time, that is the time to which we should hearken, and dust off the path not taken, and finally take it.

Conservatives typically will bellow that all of the evil aspects of our past are in the past, and yet speak of the past as though it was better. That dog don't hunter. The past was better FOR MIDDLE CLASS WHITES, BECAUSE the Middle Class whites were the heirs to a successful two centuries of evil and oppression.

The butcher's bill came due, as it must in a universe ruled by a just God.

We can learn from our mistakes and do better. And what that means is move towards the economic structures laid down by God, and accept God's bit in our mouths when it comes to matters of peace and violence.

American liberalism looks more vaguely Christian in its economic concerns than conservative Christians do. But then there's the baby sacrifice. American conservatives wave the banners of Christ like the English did, and the Spanish, and the others, but they don't actually believe in Christ's economics or in Christi's peace.

So everything we do as a nation turns rotten, and we fail time and again.

The past was pretty bad, and we're not going back. Liberals want to lead us into a godless future of hedonism, and that will not work out either.

The future, if it is to be good, should look like what Quaker Pennsylvania would have become, had it not been crushed out by Anglo-Saxon capitalism.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-10   7:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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