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Title: Anyone ever prime a car with Rustoleum "Paint and Primer in One" spray cans?
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Published: Nov 29, 2015
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2015-11-29 18:50:48 by sneakypete
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OK,my 51 coupe sat in a barn for over 25 years before I bought it,and at one time the barn roof obviously leaked where it was parked.

Adding to the woe is at least 3 different colors of that old hard Ford enamel. In places,it had been sanded to the bare metal and then painted with no primer.

Not to mention the top coat was a latex that had been put on with a roller.

Rust is a-poppin out all over!

Can't get it in my shop right now because I have both doors blocked with cars up on jackstands,so I have been using a random orbital sander to bring it down to the bare metal to see what I have once the paint and plastic is removed,to get rid of the rust at the surface level,and to prime and paint it to preserve it until I get it in my shop this spring to blow apart and do the body work and paint for real. Right now I am just interested in stopping the rust and preserving it.

BTW,when I do paint it "for real" I will also be using a roller and spray cans,but it will be a Dupont self-etching primer and their 2 part epoxy sealer,and I won't be painting it in temps below 60 degrees with a 15-20 mph wind blowing.


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Anyone ever use this stuff and have any tips or comments on it? Sounds too good to be true,but if it does work it is a lot cheaper than buying two cans and it saves a lot of time,too.Subscribe to *Gear Heads*

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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

It works. Prep is everything.

Get the paint can trigger. Save your fingers.

Should easily last a year and when I did my truck back around 1980 it looked really nice.

I use this stuff from time to time. Used it on my gate many years ago and it still in good shape.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-29   19:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Justified (#1)

Should easily last a year and when I did my truck back around 1980 it looked really nice.

I think we are talking about different stuff. IIRC,this paint has only been out a year or two,and it comes with a trigger in a can you can even spray at any angle.

www.walmart.com/ip/433804...&wl6=131211453392&veh=sem

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sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   22:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

I used it on my gate. I was just explaining how prep work using paint cans does work. Not as good as car paint but will get you many years until you can deal with it properly.

I had a rod iron gate made and like an idiot I did not clean it and then prime it right away. I had to sand it down and I used the paint/primer spray cans with good luck. I think its been 4 years now since I did it and it still looks good. A little flatter look but im pleased.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-29   22:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Justified (#3)

Ok,some sort of misunderstanding is going on here,because earlier you wrote "when I did my truck back around 1980 it looked really nice. "

1980 was a lot more than 4 years ago.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   23:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#0)

Maybe LF is too small a forum to get good answers to a question like that.

You might try the search engines or a car forum before you do something costly or hard-to-fix.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-30   1:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#0)

Just use the spray primer. It's easier to sand and if it's only going to be a year, will protect well enough. I would even do just a light coat. Sanding paint is harder than sanding a light rust.

Also, on your two part epoxy, use throw away measuring cups and only use what's needed to do one panel at a time. Also use new roller covers every time, de lint them with tape before using. (Cover with tape and pull off to get loose fibers off) you also might want to consider cheating the pot time by 5-10 minutes before applying, not real sure of tack time with that particular epoxy. But some are fairly fast. Wear a respirator for sure.

If you change mind and wish to spray the epoxy, make sure machine is good enough to pump it, also use the recommended thinning agent for it to prevent 'fingering'. (An uneven spray, it tends to develop lines at edges of fan)

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-11-30   3:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

Maybe LF is too small a forum to get good answers to a question like that.

I think so. Used to be a ping to the Gear Heads ping list would get a lot of responses. I guess all those people left,

ou might try the search engines or a car forum before you do something costly or hard-to-fix.

It's not going to be costly because I am doing the work myself,and may spend 70 bucks on ten cans of spray paint/primer.

And it's just a temporary measure anyhow,with the purpose of preserving the car to keep it from getting any worse while it sits outside. I am going to hand sand it down again once I get it inside and treat it with rust converter and then use acid-based self-etching primer with a sealer over it once I have done the bodywork and have it prepped and ready to paint. This will involve removing the doors,front fenders,engine,trunk lid,and all the glasses. I obviously can't do all that while it is sitting outside getting dew and rainfall on it. I have heat and ac inside my shop,so I can control the conditions in there.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-30   4:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Dead Culture Watch (#6)

Just use the spray primer. It's easier to sand and if it's only going to be a year, will protect well enough. I would even do just a light coat. Sanding paint is harder than sanding a light rust. <<

Primer is so porous it's a waste of time and money to sand down to the bare metal and just prime it and think it's not going to be rustier than it was 6 months earlier. You have to apply at least one top coat to seal it from moisture. This is especially important on mine because the top is pitted with deep rust where the barn roof leaked water on the car,and the many coats of paint had cracked and let it puddle. That is the attraction of the "Paint and Primer in One" Rustoleum paint. It's $6.98 per 12 ounce spray can,while I would be paying $5.98 for a can of the regular primer,and another $5.98 for a top coat. Saves both time and money because I don't have to wait for the primer to flash before spraying the top coat. Which is especially important when you are painting one outside and live up a dirt road. You never know when a car is going to come by and throw up a could of dust,and the last few days have been cloudy and threatening rain. I need to get the paint on and have at least a hour for it to set up before rain or dew hits it. Right now I am doing maybe 6 sq feet at a time,and then letting it sit up overnight to cure the paint before moving on to sand to bare metal and paint another 6 sq feet.

Also, on your two part epoxy, use throw away measuring cups and only use what's needed to do one panel at a time.

Once I get it inside and have all the body work finished,I will prep the whole car and prime and paint it per Dupont's specifications. Not sure off the top of my head how long I have to let it sit before applying the sealer,or how soon the sealer has to be applied because it is all dependent on temperatures and humidity,but I'm going to follow instructions.

Also,when I do paint it,the doors,truck like,front fenders,hood,glasses,and all trim will be off the body and painted separately.

Wear a respirator for sure.

Not really sure a respirator is necessary when rolling it on or using spray cans with both my exhaust fans going. Each one is rated to flow 1850 cu ft of air per minute,so I should be covered there. I will check it out before trying it,and may have a problem if I do have to use a respirator because I have COPD and my lungs aren't strong enough to pull air in through a respirators filters. Which is why I plan on using rollers and the tiny paint guns you can buy that hold a few ounces of paint at a time for the places too small to use a roller.

If you change mind and wish to spray the epoxy, make sure machine is good enough to pump it,

I have a complete HVLP "airless" setup,but because of the COPD and breathing regulator problems I am hesitant to use it. Plus I have shop cats,and they can't wear respirators. I plan on shutting them up in my office with AC while painting and the paint is curing,but better safe than sorry.

I did buy a "fresh air" compressor from a dentist office a few years ago to use with a face mask if I ever needed to,but have never looked into what it would cost to buy the mask and rig it up to use. This is the unit they used to give air to people they sedated,so it should work fine if I ever use it. Not sure it's worth the additional expense to just use 3 or 4 times if I can get just as good a job with rollers and spray cans.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-30   4:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#4)

I used that paint on my gate 4 years ago. The part about my truck is just to tell you using a can paint on a car if prepped right works real well and it's hard to tell you used can paint.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-30   21:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Justified (#9)

I used that paint on my gate 4 years ago. The part about my truck is just to tell you using a can paint on a car if prepped right works real well and it's hard to tell you used can paint.

Thanks.

I am a worrier that hates rust,so I will be taking it back down to the bare meatal while doing bodywork,and use a rust converter to neutralize the rust pits before I hit it with the self-etching primer and the top coat.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-30   21:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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