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Title: Pentagon backs Turkey’s version of events, blames ‘incursion’ of Russian jet
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... s-version-accuses-russian-fig/
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-11-24 11:42:22 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 5323
Comments: 52

The U.S. military on Tuesday labeled as an “incursion” the Russian fighter jet that was shot down by Turkish aircraft over the Syria-Turkey border.

Army Col. Steve Warren, the top military spokesman in Baghdad, confirmed the Turk’s version of events in saying they repeatedly warned the two Russian SU-24 pilots to back off.

Col. Warren used the word “incursion” to describe the Russian flight, but also said the command was studying radars and other data, such as radio chatter, to make a definite conclusion.

“The incident happened at the border,” Col. Warren said. “These things are not as clean as they are in the movies.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent years has deployed his fighters and bombers close to the air space of NATO countries, such as Turkey and the U.S., as a way to try to rattle the allies.

This is the first time he has paid a price in having one of his jets shot down and perhaps the pilots killed.

Mr. Putin is backing Syrian President Bashar Assad, which is opposed by the Turkish government. Ankara is helping rebels opposed to the regime.

The U.S. sent F-15C air superiority jets to Turkey to help it patrol and defend its air space. Col. Warren said no F-15 was in the vicinity.

This “purely took place between the Russians and the Turks,” he said.

Col. Warren has made no secret of the U.S.’s displeasure with Russian bombing campaign in Syria. They assert Mr. Putin is mostly bombing moderate rebel groups opposed to Mr. Assad and devoting little time to the Islamic State terror army.

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#11. To: cranky, TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55 (#0)

This “purely took place between the Russians and the Turks,” he said.

Perhaps...wonder if any of the military pressers were smart enough to ask who was flying the AWACS which picked up the incursion?

Details, details...

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-24   15:01:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#11)

I have no doubt that the information Col Warren has came from one of "Our AWACS" in the region, maybe even from 2...

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-24   15:31:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CZ82, TooConservative, tomder55, liberator (#14)

Don't you if you all watch the BBC show Top Gear. My boys took a liking to it a few years back.

I don't think the 'boys' from Top Gear will be re-enacting their Three Wise Men tour anytime soon:

Retrace the Three Wise Men journey with second-hand two-seater convertibles for £3,500

Cheap Car Challenge: The presenters are challenged to re- enact the journey of the Three Wise Men by travelling from northern Iraq to a stable in Bethlehem, using second-hand two-seater convertibles bought for £3,500. As Israel will not allow cars registered in its surrounding neighbours to enter its borders, they must buy cars from Georgia before flying to their destination in an Ilyushin Il-76TD cargo plane. Jeremy buys a Mazda MX-5, Richard a Fiat Barchetta and James a BMW Z3. As in previous challenges, a spare car is provided to any presenter whose car breaks down. For this challenge, that car is an Opel Astra convertible - a car loathed by all three presenters.

After landing at Arbil International Airport in Iraqi Kurdistan, the three decide that it is too dangerous to drive directly to Bethlehem as it would involve travelling through the stronghold of Mosul. Instead, Jeremy proposes a circuitous route that involves travelling east and crossing into Iran and then doubling back into Turkey and down into Syria to avoid the dangers of Iraq. However, once they reach the Iranian border, they find that for "political reasons", BBC staff are not permitted to cross into Iran. They manage to find a route back across Iraq to the Turkish border that bypasses Mosul.

Once inside Turkey, they discover that they have a bigger problem: a Kurdish insurgency is attempting to claim the southern provinces of Turkey and that the region has been declared a war zone, with the Foreign Ministry issuing a document that states all non-essential travel should be avoided. The presenters are given four hours to travel the 363 kilometres (226 mi) to ^anl1urfa, a safe city, before nightfall, a journey that will force them to travel through the unsafe region of ^1rnak. Jeremy experiences trouble with his Mazda, but all three are able to make it to the hotel. To punish Richard for being smug about his car's reliability, Jeremy and James disconnect the standard stereo and install a secret, second stereo in the Fiat and a Genesis CD (specifically, Live over Europe 2007) — a band Hammond is known to hate — which he cannot turn off.

They finally turn south and enter Syria, their progress halted by the Z3's security system, which refuses to start the car. Once inside, they discover that Top Gear is enormously popular in Syria, which they are less than enthusiastic about because Israel will not allow them into the country if they have been in Syria, and any word of their presence in the country will spread like wildfire and tip the Israelis off before they can get to the border. Jeremy proposes that they "sneak through" the country by modifying their cars for desert travel. Richard models his Fiat on a Bedouin tent, while James takes inspiration from the Afrika Korps and models his BMW on a desert army unit. Meanwhile, Jeremy paints his car in bright colours to resemble the story of Joseph and his coat of many colours, making it Jeremy and his Car of Many Colours. He also installs the "Axle of Evil" to make his Mazda a six-wheeled vehicle, though this quickly proves to hinder him more than it helps.

While travelling through the desert, Richard's radiator very nearly falls out and Jeremy is bitten by an unidentified insect that causes his arm to swell up. Of more concern is an accident whilst attempting to drag a car out of a sand trap; James is knocked over by the strap used to haul the car out and receives a head wound when he hits his head on a rock. He is taken to a nearby hospital while Jeremy and Richard carry on. They soon find a road near Palmyra and change their tactics: rather than disguising their cars, they disguise themselves, meeting May at the hospital dressed in burqas and attempt to drive to Damascus incognito. Their efforts are in vain, because word has spread that they are in the country and there is a welcoming party at their hotel. (more at link above)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-24   16:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter (#17)

Don't you if you all watch the BBC show Top Gear.

Bits and pieces here and there that's about it...

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-24   18:39:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CZ82 (#26)

Don't you if you all watch the BBC show Top Gear.

why would I watch the performance of three clowns making a nuiance of themselves?

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-24   19:44:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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