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Title: Putin: Russia will not tolerate such crimes as attack against its Sukhoi-24 plane
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Tass
URL Source: http://tass.ru/en/politics/838825un
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: Uncredited
Post Date: 2015-11-24 08:28:10 by cranky
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Comments: 72
According to the president, the attack against Su-24 plane in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is "a stab in Russia’s back" delivered by "terrorism accomplices" SOCHI, November 24. /TASS/. Russia's Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft was downed with an air-to-air missile launched from a Turkish F-16 fighter, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday. The Russian leader stressed that the Russian Su-24 fighter-bomber was posing no threat to Turkey. "Anyway, our pilots and jet posed no threat to the Turkish Republic. This is obvious. They were conducting an operation against ISIL," Putin said at the meeting with King Abdallah II of Jordan. Putin called the attack a crime and stressed that Russia would not tolerate it. According to the president, the Su-24 plane crash in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is "a stab in Russia’s back delivered by terrorist accomplices." "Today’s loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can’t characterize otherwise what has happened today," the Russian leader said. The Russian bomber was shot down over Syria by an air-to-air surface fired from a Turkish F-16 plane when the bomber was at an altitude of 6,000 meters at a distance of 1 km from the Turkish bomber." Putin said. The president said the attack on the Russian jet will have tragic consequences to Russia-Turkey ties. Turkey's military attache in Russia has been summoned to the Russian Defense Ministry. 
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#1. To: cranky, redleghunter, tomder55, sneakypete, Pericles (#0)
Turkey's military attache in Russia has been summoned to the Russian Defense Ministry. NATO's members have also summoned the Turks. I would guess they have some very pointed questions and will demand more evidence than just allegations by Turkey. It was unwise to extend NATO membership to Turkey to begin with. As members, if they start a war with Russia by shooting down their warplanes who did not attack anything or anyone in Turkey, NATO will still be obligated by Article Five to follow Turkey into warfare with Russia. I'm thinking NATO will make it clear they are not starting WW III with Russia even if a Russian plane strayed over the Turkish border, considering that no Turks or Turkish territory was attacked. There is a proportionality to any response.
I disagree... when Turkey joined NATO in 1952, it was a different world...
Our missiles in Turkey played a major role in the Soviet attempt to place missiles in Cuba, provoking the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy got out of a likely nuke war by promising secretly to remove those missiles from Turkey after six months. Which he did.
So what? The Cuban Missle Crisis was 10 years later....
Willie, you ignorant slut. Jupiter missiles in Turkey and Italy The Jupiter was originally designed by the US Army, who was looking for a highly accurate missile designed to strike high-value targets like bridges, railway yards, troop concentrations and the like. The Navy also expressed an interest in the design as an SLBM, but left the collaboration to work on their Poseidon. Jupiter retained the short, squat shape intended to fit in submarines. The Army set accuracy goals so high that some expressed skepticism, but the team successfully designed a system with a circular error probable (CEP) of 0.5 miles (0.80 km), substantially more accurate than similar designs like the US Air Force's Thor. This led to continual interservice fighting between the Army and Air Force, and ultimately to Charles Erwin Wilson's decision to give the Jupiter missiles to the Air Force. The Air Force was never greatly interested in supporting Jupiter, but the missiles were deployed in Italy and Turkey in 1961 as part of NATO's Cold War deterrent against the Soviet Union. All were removed by the United States as part of a secret agreement with the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It was also used as the basis for a satellite launcher known as Juno II, but had a short and unsuccessful career in this role. Stalin was completely irrelevant to the missile threats and Cuban missile crisis in the early Sixties. Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, was in control.
#23. To: TooConservative (#13)
Krushchev and the Cuban Missile crisis are what's irrelevant...
That's quite a warhead in today's parlance for a shorter range ballistic missile. The PII's had the W85 warhead (dial a yield) going from 5Kts to 80Kts. The prime contractor was the Chrysler Corporation. Yes, because everyone knows anything made by Chrysler is no good after travelling 2,000 miles. So the Juniper had to be a medium range missile:)
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The president said the attack on the Russian jet will have tragic consequences to Russia-Turkey ties.
#7. To: TooConservative (#1)
It was unwise to extend NATO membership to Turkey to begin with.
If there was a mistake that was made, it was allowing NATO to justify its existance and redefine its mission after the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union collapsed. THAT was when NATO should've been disbanded as an unnecessary anachronism.
#8. To: Willie Green (#7)
I disagree... when Turkey joined NATO in 1952, it was a different world...
#10. To: TooConservative (#8)
Our missiles in Turkey played a major role in the Soviet attempt to place missiles in Cuba, provoking the Cuban Missile Crisis.
In '52 friggin' STALIN was still the Soviet Dictator...
And old "Uncle Joe" makes Pooty-poot look like Mahatma Ghandi.
#13. To: Willie Green, Vicomte13 (#10)
So what? The Cuban Missle Crisis was 10 years later.... In '52 friggin' STALIN was still the Soviet Dictator... And old "Uncle Joe" makes Pooty-poot look like Mahatma Ghandi.
These 1961 Jupiter missiles (1MT warheads) were capable of quick attack on Moscow and major targets in the USSR. Not too different than the threat posed by Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962. The PGM-19 Jupiter was the first medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) of the United States Air Force (USAF). It was a liquid-propellant rocket using RP-1 fuel and LOX oxidizer, with a single Rocketdyne LR70-NA (model S-3D) rocket engine producing 667 kN of thrust. It was armed with the 1.1 megaton W49 nuclear warhead. The prime contractor was the Chrysler Corporation.
Replies to Comment # 13. Stalin was completely irrelevant to the missile threats and Cuban missile crisis in the early Sixties. Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, was in control.
Stalin was the Soviet dictator in 1952 when Turkey joined NATO.
If you were a good little Bircher, you should know that.
#26. To: TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55 (#13)
It was armed with the 1.1 megaton W49 nuclear warhead.
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