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Title: Trump faces backlash for blaming ex-President George W. Bush for 9/11
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/ ... nt-george-w-bush-911/74129434/
Published: Oct 17, 2015
Author: Erin Kelly
Post Date: 2015-10-18 04:28:44 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 7070
Comments: 78

WASHINGTON — Prominent Republicans are condemning GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump for suggesting that former President George W. Bush is partly to blame for the 9/11 terrorist attacks that happened during his administration.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., former chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, called Trump's comments "a cheap shot."

"I think Donald Trump is totally wrong there," King said Friday during an interview on Fox News Radio. "Anyone who has any real knowledge of that — you can get all the CIA people, all of the career people — no one saw the attack of 9/11 coming. And to blame George Bush for what happened on September 11...shows a lack of knowledge and is too much of a cheap shot at the president."

Ben Carson, one of Trump's rivals for the GOP presidential nomination, said blaming Bush "wouldn't make much sense."

"I think it's ridiculous to suggest that (Bush) is responsible for it," Carson said during a brief campaign stop Friday night in Alexandria, Va.

Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary during the Bush administration, told CNN that Trump sounds like a "truther," a term applied to conspiracy theorists who believe that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

"I just think he (Trump) belongs to an extraordinarily small faction of people who blame 9/11 on George Bush," Fleischer said.

The controversy began Friday when Bloomberg Television released an interview with Trump in which the billionaire businessman said he was more competent than the former president.

"When you talk about George Bush, I mean — say what you want —  the World Trade Center came down during his time," Trump said.

Bloomberg’s Stephanie Ruhle then interrupted and said Trump couldn’t blame Bush for the attacks that left nearly 3,000 Americans dead.

“He was president, okay?" Trump responded. "Blame him or don’t blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

Trump's comments immediately drew an angry response from the ex-president's brother, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who is competing with Trump for the Republican nomination for president.

"How pathetic for (Trump) to criticize the president for 9/11," Jeb Bush tweeted Friday. "We were attacked and my brother kept us safe."

Bush's response set off a Twitter battle with Trump, who called his rival "pathetic" for "saying nothing happened during your brother's term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down."

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Trump is correct on 9/11. GWBush was POTUS and was tasked to safeguardd the nation. GWBush allowed the 19 terrorists to stay in America illegally. GWBush and the federal government did not do their respectives jobs.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   5:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Bush's response set off a Twitter battle with Trump, who called his rival "pathetic" for "saying nothing happened during your brother's term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down."

Truth hurts, don't it, Jeb!?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   5:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

"How pathetic for (Trump) to criticize the president for 9/11," Jeb Bush tweeted Friday. "We were attacked and my brother kept us safe."

Trump and JEB are both pathetic. Boy Jorge didn't attack the WTC. Saudi Arabia did.

Boy Jorge didn't make ANYBODY safer,either. If anything he made America and the world a more dangerous place by sucking up to the Sauds for cash payments and giving them political cover in exchange. His meddling in and invasion of Iraq are prime examples. By invading Iraq and using up American money and lives to do so,he only made Saudi Arabia a safer place,and increased the danger to America.

IMHO one of the saddest aspects of this is I honestly think he is so stupid he doesn't understand what he did was a bad thing. He was just following family orders,and if you can't trust your mother and father to give you good advise,who can you trust?

And the kindest thing you can say about JEB is that he isn't John McLunatic. Close,but not a perfect match.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   8:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#1)

GWBush allowed the 19 terrorists to stay in America illegally.

Have you lost your freaking mind? Boy Jorge didn't "allow" them to do anything. He didn't even know they were here.

Yeah,he was the President when this happened and everything he did in response actually made everything worse,but implying he was a part of it is insane.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   8:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#2)

Truth hurts, don't it, Jeb!?

Not at all. I doubt anybody in the Bush Crime Family has the same definition of what the word "truth" means as most of us.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   8:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#1)

GWBush allowed the 19 terrorists to stay in America illegally

They weren't here illegally. All had obtained work/tourist visas. SOME (not all) had overstayed their visas, but that happens with thousands of visitors with visas.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-18   9:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

You are simply making excuses for GWBush. The blunderer, who was well known to get high on cocaine and missed his normal shifts while in the air national guard, also slept through his post as Commander in Chief.

Did you vote for this idiot?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   9:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#4)

Boy Jorge didn't "allow" them to do anything.

Did 9/11 occur duing GWBush's watch over the nation or was it some other administration? The madman was asleep at the wheel.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   9:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#0)

“He was president, okay?" Trump responded. "Blame him or don’t blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

Only Trump can get away with saying something like this.

Even Rand Paul wouldn't go this far.

What happens when Trump finally says something like this just one time too many? To make headlines and get all the free media he's hogging, Trump has to produce some mini-scandal or media event every week. Otherwise, he'll deflate and become just another pol.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-18   9:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#8)

Did 9/11 occur duing GWBush's watch

What watch are you talking about? Was he flying around in a hovercraft looking for some nefarious activities around the country?

He had been president 8 months. Nobody knew this planned activity was going to occur, even though it had been in planning for years. How was Bush supposed to know anything about it?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-18   9:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#9)

Only Trump can get away with saying something like this.

Even Rand Paul wouldn't go this far.

What happens when Trump finally says something like this just one time too many?

Now the businessman from NY is a truther. Next he'll say that the Pentagon was hit with missiles.

What happens when Trump finally says something like this just one time too many?

The plan is to get him the nomination.... then the press will turn on him.

This happened with McCain too. He was the NY Slimes favorite 'maverick ' until the day that he became the nominee. Then the narrative changed and he was a crazy right winger .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-10-18   9:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tomder55 (#11) (Edited)

Now the businessman from NY is a truther. Next he'll say that the Pentagon was hit with missiles.

He's gotten pretty close to it before. Trump flirts with Truthery.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-18   10:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#8)

Did 9/11 occur duing GWBush's watch over the nation or was it some other administration? The madman was asleep at the wheel.

If you recall when he was notified of the attack he was at a school in Florida and didn't show any reaction when he was notified.

U don't know me  posted on  2015-10-18   10:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

He was a dummy. Here he is teaching a student how to read on 9/11.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   11:22:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#14)

You resort to leftard photoshopped images to try and make some kind of ridiculous point?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-18   13:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#15)

You voted for the dumb fuck who single-handedly brought America to its knees. Blame yourself for the ongoing wreck that shall continue long after you are 6 feet under.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   13:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

You voted for the dumb fuck who single-handedly brought America to its knees.

Meaningless leftard drivel

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-18   14:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#8)

Did 9/11 occur duing GWBush's watch over the nation or was it some other administration?

Yes,he was the current president at the time,but so what?

PLEASE tell me you aren't so ignorant of reality that you think a President actually keeps track of this stuff.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   14:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#9) (Edited)

Only Trump can get away with saying something like this.

He will continue to get away with it as long as it continues to help the left's agenda.

IMHO,he is going to lose his attraction to the media when it is too late for any actual conservative to even think of entering the race and gaining any traction. Once he drops out to start collecting his "loans" and government contracts,JEB is back big-time,and the world is once again safe for the Globalists.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   14:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#16)

You voted for the dumb fuck who single-handedly brought America to its knees.

Not true! Boy Jorge is maybe capable of single-handedly going to the liquor store on his own,but that's about it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   14:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#9)

Only Trump can get away with saying something like this.

Even Rand Paul wouldn't go this far.

What happens when Trump finally says something like this just one time too many? To make headlines and get all the free media he's hogging, Trump has to produce some mini-scandal or media event every week. Otherwise, he'll deflate and become just another pol.

"Jeb [Bush] said 'We were safe with my brother. We were safe.' Well, the World Trade Center just went down. Now, am I trying to blame him? I'm not blaming anybody, but the World Trade Center came down, so when he said we were safe, we were not safe. We lost 3,000 people. It was one of the greatest — probably the greatest catastrophe ever in this country," the Republican presidential hopeful said. If he were president, Trump said, it would have been different.

"I am extremely, extremely tough on people coming into this country," Trump said. And if he were president then, he said, he doubted "those people would've been in the country. … There's a good chance that those people would not have been in the country. "With that being said," he added, "I'm not blaming George Bush, but I don't want Jeb Bush to say 'My brother kept us safe,' because Sept. 11 was one of the worst days in the history of this country."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/trump-immigration-terror- attacks-214905#ixzz3oskugDbL

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-18   14:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete, tooconservative (#21)

You two are morons if you disagree with what I just posted. What Trump said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-18   14:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#3)

Trump and JEB are both pathetic. Boy Jorge didn't attack the WTC. Saudi Arabia did.

You're pathetic. You're not only an activist for perverts. You also lie and spin. Trump never said Bush attacked the WTC. Shame liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-18   14:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#4)

Yeah,he was the President when this happened and everything he did in response actually made everything worse,but implying he was a part of it is insane.

Get a clue you mental midget. Bush's open border policy allowed the foreigners to be here. Trumps policy of deporting the foreigners might have kept these people out of the country.

So stop making stuff up. You sound insane when you do.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-18   14:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#23)

You're pathetic. You're not only an activist for perverts. You also lie and spin. Trump never said Bush attacked the WTC. Shame liar.

The anti-Trump folks are dishonest by nature. They are trying to label him as a 9-11 truther, but in fact the 9-11 truth whack jobs are against him, we see that on this forum. 9-11 truthers are the same ones who like dope, and they are against Trump. Trump has a pretty good list of people who don't like him:
Potheads
RINO's
Illegal aliens
Free traitors
Drug cartels
ISIS
Rosie O'Donnell
Neocons
Jonah Goldberg

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   16:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#19)

What actual conservative?

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   17:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)

You two are morons if you disagree with what I just posted.

The morons are anybody that believes Trump.

The only people he has ever been tough one,are the people who believed in him and invested with him.

One of his lines I love is him claiming he felt like a veteran because he went to private military school before dodging the draft.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

You're pathetic. You're not only an activist for perverts. You also lie and spin. Trump never said Bush attacked the WTC. Shame liar.

Now you are reduced to spinning for your lust bunny.

Did or did not Trump claim that Boy Jorge was responsible for the attacks on 9-11?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#24)

Trumps policy of deporting the foreigners might have kept these people out of the country.

Is that a part of his same policy of bringing in thousands to work cheaper than Americans for his corporate interests?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nativist nationalist (#25)

9-11 truthers are the same ones who like dope, and they are against Trump.

Give us a bleeping break! The morons who believe in him ARE dopes.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Don (#26)

What actual conservative?

Since he,in conjunction with the leftist media have sucked all the air out of the room,there is no room or money available for any of the rare conservatives in politics to even get started,so we will never know,will we?

Trump shows up and starts claiming to be a conservative,so he gets all the support.

If you believe that life-long trust fund child from NYC and NJ who is friends with the Clinton's is a conservative,I've got a couple of brides I want to sell you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#30)

Give us a bleeping break! The morons who believe in him ARE dopes.

It's all you dumb ass postwar baby boomers, you losers fell for a bunch of Marxist drivel from the red diaper babies who grandparents left Russia, and had no intention once they ruled the joint when it was the USSR. Low life dirtbags smoke dope, minorities smoked pot buy dummies embraced ghetto culture. generation after generation built up America, and your "if it feels good, do it" generation tore apart the legacy that was handed down. If it's dag for America, you dirtbags are for it, free trade, open borders, sodomy, dope, you A-holes embrace it all.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   19:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nativist nationalist (#32)

WOW! Sounds like somebody needs their diaper changed!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#33)

WOW! Sounds like somebody needs their diaper changed!

What's the matter Snuffy? Were you one of the losers raised on that Dr. Spock nonsense? I figure that might be one of the reasons your degeneration is so messed up.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   19:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: nativist nationalist (#34)

Were you one of the losers raised on that Dr. Spock nonsense?

Ach! Ya got me! How could I have ever hoped to fool someone as insightful as you?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   19:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#35)

Ach! Ya got me!

I figured that had to be a factor, he was of the same bloodline as the red diaper babies. Anti-American to the core.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   19:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nativist nationalist (#36)

I figured....

No surprise there. I could smell the smoke over the internet.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#18)

PLEASE tell me you aren't so ignorant of reality that you think a President actually keeps track of this stuff.

GWBush believed in mass illegal immigration to America. As POTUS, commanding the operational approach to America's administration, illegals were given "carte-blanche" through his eight years.

What a dispacable human being he was, allowing illegals to come across America's soverign border by the thousands while he made up reasons to create a war in Iraq + Afghanistan.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   20:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

PLEASE tell me you aren't so ignorant of reality that you think a President actually keeps track of this stuff.

A president would, but Bush didn't. He was a little kid pretending to be president being driven around in a four wheeled dirt vehicle for photo-ops and shouting MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. He's never been anything of substance in his life.

rlk  posted on  2015-10-18   20:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#38)

GWBush believed in mass illegal immigration to America. As POTUS, commanding the operational approach to America's administration, illegals were given "carte-blanche" through his eight years.

What a dispacable human being he was, allowing illegals to come across America's soverign border by the thousands while he made up reasons to create a war in Iraq + Afghanistan.

I couldn't agree more,but that doesn't mean he knew the 9-11 attacks were going to happen,and allowed them to happen.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   21:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rlk (#39) (Edited)

He's never been anything of substance in his life.

Neither has any other president we have had since Reagan left office.

Hell,I can't even remember having any serious CANDIDATES that were worth a damn.

Politics in this country is now a fixed game,and the only ones who are going to be allowed to win are the Party Favorite accomplices.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   21:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#40)

He knew about plans. He received a daily briefing warning of an emminent attack. He did nothing; well, he encouraged more illegal aliens to invade America; his brother Jeb! calls it "love."

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-18   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#31)

Trump has been using his own money until recently. Anyone who would like to run has had opportunity to do so. Do you honestly think the GOP would support an actual conservative?

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   21:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: sneakypete (#41)

Your last sentence is very true. Conservatives don't have a prayer in the GOP to have influence on the running of this nation.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   21:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#31)

You may keep your brides. Whatever Trump is, he has both parties gunning for him. Of course, the whole thing may be a Dog and Pony Show. I'm really not naive.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   21:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#38)

GWBush believed in mass illegal immigration to America.

Sounds like Jorge is a libertarian.

Q: What is your view of the immigration issue?

A: Hispanics who immigrate care about their families like other Americans care about their families. They’re living in poverty in Mexico and can come to the US and do a lot better.

Gary Johnson, January 2001. Now just how are Libertarians different from the Arbusto clan?

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-18   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeroo (#42)

He knew about plans. He received a daily briefing warning of an emminent attack.

This is the first time I have heard that allegation. Frankly,I don't believe it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   22:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Don (#43)

Trump has been using his own money until recently.

No,he hasn't. Not a dime. He has bragged about being wealthy enough to finance his own campaign if he wants to,but has been running off of donor money so far.

Do you honestly think the GOP would support an actual conservative?

I honestly believe the GOP would do everything in it's power to keep an actual conservative from running for president,including giving money to the Dim candidate and stabbing their own candidate in the back at every opportunity.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   22:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Don (#45) (Edited)

Of course, the whole thing may be a Dog and Pony Show.

That has been MY suspicion from Day One.

I guess we will be finding out in a few months if I am right or wrong. I just don't see Trump putting his fortune in a blind trust and letting someone else handle it for him for 4 years or more. He's too arrogant to think anyone can manage it better than him for that to ever happen.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   22:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sneakypete (#49)

There are many perks to being the Pres. Some of them really pay off. Besides, the Oval Office can be a real Ego enhancing trip.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   22:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#48)

The money thing isn't my understanding of the matter, but whatever. The DEMs and NEO-Repubs are the same animal. Yes, they would destroy a real threat to their control and power.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-18   22:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Don (#51)

The money thing isn't my understanding of the matter, but whatever.

There is a thread up on LF right now by a Trump fan boi that brags about how most of his contributions are small ones coming from regular people.

He has also bragged about how he can afford to finance his own campaign if he had to,but people were giving him money to run,so he doesn't have to.

Not that he doesn't have the same right to ask for contributions as everyone else,because he does.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   0:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#48)

Trump has been using his own money until recently. No,he hasn't.

Yes he has dummy.

You lie a lot.

You can't document your lies though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   8:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#49)

I just don't see Trump putting his fortune in a blind trust and letting someone else handle it for him for 4 years or more. He's too arrogant to think anyone can manage it better than him for that to ever happen.

Same lame ass talking point Pete.

You have been told there is no law requiring that numerous times. Go find one, you can't.

There is nothing immoral about not putting monney in a blind trust. Your PC pieces of shit like Bernie would do that if he wasn't a begger who never produced anything in his pathetic life.

Trump has his kids to run things and trusted people. They are already running many parts of his company.

Are you stupid or a liar?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   8:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

Yes,he was the current president at the time,but so what?

So what you say.

What was he doing as President prior to 911.

Oh he was talking about legalizing the status of illegals in the United States. www.nytimes.com/2001/07/1...igh-legalizing-status-of- mexicans- in-us.html?pagewanted=all

Then Bush also let in the Tsarnaev family. You know the Boston Marathon Bombers.

But so what right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   8:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone, Reagan Republicans, Reconquistas (#55) (Edited)

he was talking about legalizing the status of illegals in the United States.

www.nytimes.com/2001/07/1...igh-legalizing-status-of- mexicans- in-us.html?pagewanted=all

Bad link, illegal space.

BUSH AIDES WEIGH LEGALIZING STATUS OF MEXICANS IN U.S. (July 15, 2001)

But pressure is mounting on the administration to address the issue as ground-breaking negotiations on immigration that Mr. Bush and President Vicente Fox of Mexico started in February are about to accelerate. Secretary Powell and Mr. Ashcroft are to meet with their Mexican counterparts in early August. Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox want to announce a major migration initiative at their summit meeting in Washington starting Sept. 4, their aides say.

The review of policies toward Mexican immigrants is one of President Bush's highest priorities, partly because as governor of Texas he gained more experience in dealing with Mexico than with any other foreign nation. Mr. Bush considers Mr. Fox, perhaps more than any other foreign leader, to be a personal friend as well as a partner.



A Reagan Republicans - globalist open borders Reconquistas


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-19   9:42:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: hondo68 (#56)

Bush Saw The First Plane Hit! Advanced Knowledge of 9/11

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-19   10:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: sneakypete (#52)

Yes, the regular folks are supporting Trump, and they want to contribute to his campaign. The silent majority are the ones other candidate desire. There is a good chance Trump will get them.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-19   11:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#55)

I'm so sick of all this crap.

First of all, nobody hates Bush more than sneakypete, so it is sort of like you are preaching to the choir.

If you knew anything about Bush going back to his governorship, he was all about inclusiveness and love. Yeah, it's cheesy and nauseating, but that was his message.

Everybody that was involved in 911 was here LEGALLY long before Bush took office. Some had expired visas at the time of 911, but I can't fathom why you think Bush is personally responsible for that. This took place 8 months after Bush was president.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-19   11:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TooConservative (#9)

The Republican party only defends Bush because he was the Republican president. The fact that the party refuses to acknowledge the man's tenure as president was horrid will forever be a weight around it's neck.

Trump is doing the GOP a favor in finally saying what pretty much every one thinks - including Republicans.

To this day we have GOP bots who think Bush was right and the WMD went to Syria rather than admit the Bush WH got the intel wrong.

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-19   15:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Don (#50)

Besides, the Oval Office can be a real Ego enhancing trip.

That is true,and I had considered it as a factor,but then it occurred to me that Trump would see that as a step down because he considers himself to be the smartest and best businessman in the world,and Presidents can't really give orders and fire people at will without being stabbed in the back by their support staffs. Yeah,they have a lot of power as a figurehead,but only as long as they are going along with what the party bosses want pushed. If they lose their political support,they have nothing but retirement in place and no power.

I don't see that gas bag ever taking a position where other people can tell him "no" and then tell him what to do.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   16:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#53)

You can't document your lies though.

Priceless!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   16:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#54)

Same lame ass talking point Pete.

You have been told there is no law requiring that numerous times. Go find one, you can't.

I have also been told that there is a Santa,and that Barack Obomber is a genius.

There is nothing immoral about not putting monney in a blind trust.

Who ever said it was? Are you drunk or high?

It would be immoral for a President to NOT put his money in a blind trust.

Your PC pieces of shit like Bernie would do that if he wasn't a begger who never produced anything in his pathetic life.

Logic just ain't your strong point,is it? No wonder you are a Trump Tart.

Trump has his kids to run things and trusted people. They are already running many parts of his company.

Letting your family handle your finances is NOT putting your money in a blind trust. It's keeping it in the family.

Are you stupid or a liar?

One of us is,and it's not me.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   17:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#55)

Yes,he was the current president at the time,but so what?

So what you say.

What was he doing as President prior to 911.

Uhhhh,the daily job of being president,like designating authority to aides and others to handle different aspects of running the government,getting daily briefings from them,and seeking a consensus on the various problems that have popped up and been brought to his attention?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   17:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#63)

Letting your family handle your finances is NOT putting your money in a blind trust. It's keeping it in the family.

No shit sherlock. i never said it was.

How many times to you have to be told he doesn't have to put shit in a blind trust.

He doesn't have to put anything in a blind trust.

He doesn't have to........

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   17:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

How many times to you have to be told he doesn't have to put shit in a blind trust.

How many times do you have,bubba?

He doesn't have to put anything in a blind trust.

He doesn't have to.......

BullBush! Name the last president that didn't.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   17:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: sneakypete (#61)

If Trump has the backing of the people, our "masters" will sit back and wait for a better time as they have done for at least the last fifty years. They know or think they have all of the time in the world to wait for the current generations to die. In the meantime, they have control of the children and through them the final control they want. And, of course, they are bringing in millions of immigrants to support their goals. The last vestiges of American culture must evaporate, and those who have retained independent thought and morality have to go.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-19   17:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Don (#67)

If Trump has the backing of the people, our "masters" will sit back and wait for a better time as they have done for at least the last fifty years.

Oh,yeah! International bankers are not stupid people,and one thing European history taught them well was to cover their asses and put up front men to take all the blame. Jewish bankers were the root cause of a lot (most? all?) Jewish purges in Europe.

Because of this history they have learned to take the long view on change,and are more than willing to take a step back when they sense people are reaching the boiling point.

After all,what does "1 step back" really mean when they took 10 steps forward to push their agenda before they started getting called on it,and they know that at most they will only have to wait until after the next election to start the push again? The politicians they already own will have more seniority,and there will be a fresh new crop of politicians to blackmail and bribe.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   18:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: sneakypete (#68)

In other words they will win, for a short time. Such schemers have existed before, and they eventually end up losers. They cannot win over advancing years and the results of aging. Everything runs in circles, and the cemeteries and many lost burial sites are testimony of their failure.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-19   18:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#66)

BullBush! Name the last president that didn't.

Look you're stupid.

Tell me the last President that didn't go to Church. They all did but that doesn't mean they are real christians.

Here pea brain. Most Presidents latelyh are PC. They are afraid little wusses that think if they don't put their assets in a blind trust. They will get torn apart by the media. They do it out of fear not out of legal obligation. Comprende.

Trump doesn't give a shit. He will just say his kides are running it and it isn't any of your fucking business. Piss off.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   19:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: sneakypete (#66)

How many times do you have,bubba?

He doesn't have to put anything in a blind trust.

He doesn't have to.......

BullBush! Name the last president that didn't.

congressionalresearch.com/RS21656/document.php? study=The+Use+of+Blind+Trusts+by+Federal+Officials

it should be noted that there is no federal statute which expressly requires that particular federal officials place assets into a “blind trust” upon entering public service with the Federal Government.

You're informed now. So quit being stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   19:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Don (#69)

In other words they will win, for a short time.

IMHO,yes,although how "short" the time they will rule is dependent on whose viewpoint you are talking about.

They cannot win over advancing years and the results of aging. Everything runs in circles, and the cemeteries and many lost burial sites are testimony of their failure.

You are forgetting that their business model is based on family. We are talking about people whose families have been in the banking business for hundreds of years.

In times past when they got too pushy and the people rose up to take power back,they quietly folded their tents and took a ship and sailed off to another country,carrying their gold with them. Once there,they used family/tribal connections to set up operations again,and put to use the lessons they had learned prior to the latest upheaval.

When your business plan and your familial goal is to end up with your family controlling the whole world,or at least a significant part of it,on the level of outright owners,you can afford to be patient and careful. It's even a requirement.

And make no mistake about it,these are not stupid people who allow their egos to blow their covers. They ain't Trump. They ARE people who can afford to hire Trump to cut their lawns if they want to,though.

The Forbes List of wealthy people is a crock of Obama. Yes,those people are truly wealthy and influential people,but they are only on the list because their assets are listed publicly. "New Wealth" that only goes back a few generations. We are talking about families here whose wealth goes back hundreds of years in some cases,and whose property is and has been held in so many different names in so many different countries that it is impossible to track it all. They are the people that have been advising Kings and Prime Ministers on trade issues. You don't see or hear them on media outlets,and for the most part they don't live flashy public lives.

I can't remember his name now,but one example is the guy that died in an apartment fire in Monaco maybe 10 years ago. He was mentioned as a "international investor" with ties to a certain family the day he died in the fire and his personal assistant was arrested for attempted murder,and the whole story practically fell off the edge of the world the next day. Even the first day none of his relatives were mentioned by name or by country. These people learned a long time ago to not draw attention to themselves.

Eventually the pendulum will swing,and there will be a "correction" that will once again put them on the fringes of power,but with sufficient wealth intact to start climbing the ladder again,and the personal contacts in place to help them do the climbing.

None of us posting here today are likely to still be living to view it happen,though.

AND....,due the technology available in the modern world today that allows dictators access to instant communications world wide,chances are this time they will win for real.

You will know when we are in the death throes of freedom when governments start demanding the elimination of cash,and every citizen is issued a credit and debit card to electronically handle their expenses and pay their bills. ALL the government will need to do to shut down even the tiniest trace of civil disobedience will be to have a clerk access the data base that has any suspects banking numbers,and delete them. No banking number means you don't even exist. You won't even be able to buy a donuts and a cup of coffee at the convenience store where you have the clerk call the toll-free number to have the cops pick you up because your numbered account doesn't exist in the data banks.

The very day you hear the government mumbling about a "cash free society" and how it "will make you safe from street crime because you will have no cash" is the same day you need to start marching on DC to hang the bastards.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   20:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#70)

Trump doesn't give a shit. He will just say his kides are running it and it isn't any of your fucking business. Piss off.

And YOU call ME stupid!

Damn shame you weren't living in Italy in the 30's. You would have been a huge fan of Mussolini.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   20:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#71)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html

One of the requirements imposed on the Presidency is that the personal wealth of the first family be placed in a blind trust for the term of office.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   20:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: sneakypete (#72)

There have been families in the past that have ceased to exist or lost all control once owned by ancestors. You can say that God's will must be done or say Karma will have its effect. Either way will express the truism that it is a Universal law that vengeance will be taken against those who do evil.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-19   20:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Don (#75)

There have been families in the past that have ceased to exist or lost all control once owned by ancestors.

True. No plan is perfect. Sometimes the bankers and their families don't get away. One example is a Jewish banking family that lent money to the King of England to wage war with (I THINK,France). Once the war was over,the king would use the loot from the French king to pay back the loan and the interest.

The day came when the loan was repaid,and the banker and his family went aboard a ship with their gold to sail off to another country while the getting was good. What really happened was they were taken off the ship and abandoned on a sand bar that was only visible at low tide,and left to drown. Their chests of gold returned to England and the King,but the letters they sent to banking relatives in other countries saying they had been paid and were sailing away were delivered.

Other times disease or war may have killed off the family,the only son may have been a homosexual or impotent,the only daughter may have been unable to conceive,and when they died their relatives got all the money and property.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   20:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete, nolu chan (#74)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html One of the requirements imposed on the Presidency is that the personal wealth of the first family be placed in a blind trust for the term of office.

Your source is a joke. Your source just makes a statement and doesn't provide the law or any source.

You are a documented liar. Here is an excerpt and the only "proof" your goofball link provides. You're getting senile Pete. I say that as an observation and not an insult. Why do you still argue about something when you've been proven wrong. That tells us about the type of person you are.

Now here is Petes Proof

THE SIX MONTH LATE BLIND TRUST

One of the requirements imposed on the Presidency is that the personal wealth of the first family be placed in a blind trust for the term of office.

The reasons for this step should be obvious.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   21:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: sneakypete (#73)

And YOU call ME stupid!

Well you do sound kind of retarted considering my source is

Jack Maskell Legislative Attorney American Law Division

And your source is some conspiracy website on Vince Fosters death which casually mentions something incorrectly and isn't even the topic of discussion in your "article".

So you're a retart if you still think there is some law that you can never cite that requires anyone to put anything in a blind trust. But keep on believing it and showing everyone how dense/senile you are.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-19   22:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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