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Title: Kentucky clerk still won't issue same-sex marriage licenses
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Published: Sep 1, 2015
Author: Claire Valofaro
Post Date: 2015-09-01 10:04:38 by cranky
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A county clerk in Kentucky has again refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, invoking her religious beliefs and "God's authority" - this time in defiance of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling against her. On Tuesday morning, Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis' office denied the licenses to at least two couples. At first, Davis was in her office with the door closed and blinds drawn. But she emerged a few minutes later, telling the couples and the activists gathered there that her office is continuing to deny the licenses "under God's authority." The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to intervene in the case, leaving Davis no legal grounds to refuse to grant the licenses. A district judge could now hold her in contempt of court, which can carry steep fines or jail time. As an elected official, Davis can't be fired. Davis asked David Moore and David Ermold to leave her office after they were denied a license Tuesday morning - the couple's fourth rejection. They refused, surrounded by reporters and cameras. "We're not leaving until we have a license," Ermold said. "Then you're going to have a long day," Davis told him. From the back of the room, Davis' supporters said: "Praise the Lord! ... Stand your ground." Other activists shouted that Davis is a bigot and told her: "Do your job." Davis has said her deeply held Christian beliefs don't let her endorse gay marriages. She stopped issuing all marriage licenses in the days after the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage across the nation. Two gay couples and two straight couples sued her, arguing that she must fulfill her duties as an elected official despite her personal religious faith. A federal judge ordered her to issue the licenses, and an appeals court upheld that decision. Her lawyers with the Liberty Counsel filed a last-ditch appeal to the Supreme Court on Friday, asking that they grant her "asylum for her conscience." Justice Elena Kagan, who oversees the 6th district, referred Davis' request to the full court, which denied the stay without comment. After Tuesday's denials, the rejected couples' supporters called the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit on their behalf. They asked that the attorneys file that day to have Davis held in contempt. Shortly after Davis' remarks in her office, the sheriff's office cleared the room and building of those gathered to support both sides of the issue. The two groups lined up on the lawn, on either side of the courthouse entrance to chant at each other. Davis' supporters have told her to "stand firm," while gay-rights activists shouted "do your job." Randy Smith, leading the group supporting Davis, said he knows following their instruction to "stand firm" might mean Davis goes to jail. "But at the end of the day, we have to stand before God, which has higher authority than the Supreme Court," he said. Ermold hugged Moore, his partner of 17 years, and they cried and swayed as they left the clerk's office. Davis' supporters marched by, chanting. "I feel sad, I feel devastated," Ermold said. "I feel like I've been humiliated on such a national level, I can't even comprehend it." 
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#156. To: nolu chan, GrandIsland (#152)
I believe that you are wrong (see post 149). This is the link to the pdf www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Cops have no clear guiding principal other than a doughnut & Kup o' Koffe. 'Tis kinda kool to see you vacillating your earlier comments into the "unknown zone."
It belongs to an elected individual and cannot just be bestowed to an unelected official not holding the office of County Clerk. She can prevent her deputies from exercising the authority of her elected office of County Clerk by not delegating her authority to them, or by revoking an existing delegation of authority. Davis is the County Clerk and nobody else. The governor could recall congress and impeach her tomorrow, if they chose to do so.
I'm not flip flopping on anything... I merely point out the things you're to ignorant to think on your own... from both sides. I haven't even stated my opinion on this... other than I don't feel bad for the faggots. I know you and Commie Sanders feels bad for the faggots. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Then why would the deputies agree to issue the licenses if she has declined to do so? She would be a hypocrite if she had the ability to prevent her deputies from issuing license and didn't use it. It doesn't matter if the state is not fighting what she is doing, these are precedent setting events which will have many unintended consequences for the state one way or the other. Read page 74 of the link I provided, Liability For Deputies (of the Office of Clerk). потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Please read the link that I provided you, especially page 74. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
The authority belongs to Kim Davis as the elected County Clerk. No deputy has any authority except as delegated by Kim Davis, the County Clerk. The authority is not given to the county clerk's office, it is given to the County Clerk, the elected official. Then the elected official can delegate the authority to subordinates. Or not. She has a job to do. She is not doing it. She claims a new obligation (issuance of same sex marriage licenses) violates her faith based moral convictions. The Feds can order such licenses be issued, but cannot issue them, and cannot force her to issue them, but can penalize her for refusing to issue them. So, she sits in jail. As long as she chooses to sit in jail, and the state does not act to remove her from office, one may view a big middle finger going from Kentucky to Washington, D.C. If it goes on for a few months, what does the Fed do? Can they order the state to call a special session of the state congress?
If the duputies issue the licenses as they appear to have agreed to do, then the Fed doesn't have to do anything at all - other than perhaps give Davis the finger as she rots in jail. This is not a win situation for her, even if the state is passively on her side. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf Duties of Elected County Officials Legislative Research Commission At 53: County Clerk Kentucky’s Constitution of 1850 was the first to mention the office of county court clerk, providing for a clerk’s election in each county for a term of 4 years (Art. VI, sec. 1). The current constitution requires the election of a county court clerk in each county for a term of 4 years (Ky. Const., sec. 99). Before the institution of the unified state court system, the county court clerk served as the clerk of the juvenile, county, and quarterly courts. Since the time when the District Court replaced these courts, the clerk has no longer had judicial duties, and the name of the office has been abbreviated to county clerk to more accurately reflect the nature of the office. The duties of the county clerk fall into the general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court: issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging voter rolls, conducting election duties, and conducting tax duties. At 74: KRS 62.210 makes the office of the county clerk, rather than the individual officeholder, liable for the acts or omissions of deputy clerks. A deputy is liable to the clerk for damages and costs for any acts or omissions discharged by the clerk. Black's Law Dictionary I see nothing relevant regarding the liability for the deputies. The office of the county clerk is liable, and not the County Clerk personally, for damages due to the acts or omissions of the deputies. The County Clerk defines what acts the deputies are authorized and obligated to discharge. If she does not authorize her deputies to issue marriage licenses, and they do not issue marriage licenses, they are not liable for any omission by non-performance. The deputies derive their authority by being duty authorized by an officer, in this case the County Clerk, to exercise some or all of the functions pertaining to the office, in this case the office of the County Clerk. Davis has chosen to not authorize her deputies to issue marriage licenses. Without her authorization, they do not have authorization. She was elected by the people and authorized by the people to exercise the duties of the office of County Clerk.
I'm thinking the sodomite couple would have found a different jurisdiction to get a license if a Muslim or Jew refused them. This was direct action against a known target. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Without a delegation of authority by the County Clerk, the deputies have no lawful authority to issue the licenses in the name of the Clerk. The deputies stated they would. The court offered to set Davis free if she would delegate her authority and do nothing to interfere with the deputies issuing licenses. Davis refused. That's why she remains in jail tonight. And why there will be no licenses issued tomorrow, unless Davis changes her mind.
Of course, if getting married was their priority, they would go to a clerk who would issue them a license. And I'm thinking KY authorities are in support of Davis and are in no hurry to do anything. Think Andrew Jackson. The Supreme Court made its decision. Now let them enforce it. Impeachment certainly won't begin until the KY congress is called back into session.
I have no idea of violating your oath of office is a crime that rates jail time in that state or not,but I think it is irrelevant because I suspect the state is going to satisfy itself to drop that hot potato by just removing her from office and maybe giving her some sort of suspended sentence. You know I would think that when she took her oath of office she swore to do so with one hand on the Bible and said "So help me God". Which I would think also means she is supposed to support all the covenants that God put forth. (And we all know what the Bible says about homos, it's been discussed many times before on multiple forums). So it would seem to me that she is doing what she took an oath to do when she took office and the Feds are trying to make her break it. You know I'm curious as to how many of those feds also took their oath of office by swearing on a Bible? And are knowingly violating that oath? Sounds like it's the Feds who need to be thrown in jail not her, especially the judge and the persons pulling his strings! Also those in the USSC for violating theirs by allowing homo marriage in the first place. Which is as we all know is a political issue not a Constitutional one!!! Tell that to the millions of men that have died in America's wars, defending our freedoms. Thanks for displaying your true stripe once again, vicomte. It's refreshing to see a man tell the honest truth about himself, despite the fact that it is repugnant.. He still hasn't learned that there is a difference between France and America... DELETED Pedophile propaganda. Stay off the faggot threads Peter.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the
minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron
Paul,2012)
Faggot marriage isn't a law. It's an usurption. Now stay the fuck off these threads. We don't need you spreading your pedophile philisophy.
What would be the reaction if she were Muslim? What a circus. Hey stupid. She was divorced before she became a christian. So take your faggot talking points and shove them up Petes ass.
What prevents these gays from simply going to the next county and getting a license. Or, having a lawyer draw up an agreement where they will have inheritance rights, etc?
Si vis pacem, para bellum
It would appear. About time some state did so! Hopefully encourage some others to do so as well! Si vis pacem, para bellum
You know I'm curious as to how many of those feds also took their oath of office by swearing on a Bible? And are knowingly violating that oath? Sounds like it's the Feds who need to be thrown in jail not her, especially the judge and the persons pulling his strings! Also those in the USSC for violating theirs by allowing homo marriage in the first place. Which is as we all know is a political issue not a Constitutional one!!! A very interesting perspective. I believe the use of a Bible to take an oath stemmed from the traditions of earthly and Divine witness. Not every President, for example, used a Bible when they took their oath of office. Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901. Barack Obama, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Harry S. Truman, and Richard Nixon (also a Quaker) swore the oath on two Bibles. John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution. Seems it has always been optional given the wide historical examples above. Which makes sense in a society which does not impose religion on a person, but is supposed to respect those religious convictions based on the very Constitution government officials take an oath to defend and uphold. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
True. However, if the time comes that those wrongs are no longer sufferable, it will be a different game. And those that have dished out the wrongs, will be in for a shocking surprise. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Funny thing about swearing oaths on the Bible... In that Bible Jesus commands Christians to never swear oaths. So, swearing an oath on the Bible is either an ignorant and embarrassing act, or it's giving God the finger.
The men who died to get the WMD in Iraq, or who died in Somalia, or who died in Vietnam, or in Korea, were "defending America's freedoms"? From whom? In World War I, America declared war on Germany and sent troops to Europe to invade Germany. Germany was not attacking America's freedoms. In the Spanish-American War, America invaded Cuba and Puerto Rico and the Philippines, and then stayed and fought a guerilla in the Philippines that cost thousands of American lives. The Filipinos were not threatening America's freedoms. Neither were the Cubans or the Spanish. In the Indian Wars on the Great Plains, America was invading other people's land and taking away their freedoms. The Sioux were not threatening American freedoms anywhere - they were resisting American invasion and suppression of THEIR freedoms. In the Civil War, which side was fighting for American freedoms? Was it the South, with 40% of its population chained slaves? No? Well, was it the North then? Was the North the great champion of American freedom in the Civil War? Or was the North just fighting to preserve the supremacy of the government. A million people died in that war. Who died for "America's Freedoms"? And freedom FROM whom? Americans? In the War of 1812, the Americans declared war and then invaded Canada and lost. America went to war to grab somebody else's land, and the Americans DID drive out the Creeks from their own lands. American Freedoms were not the issue in 1812, unless by that we mean the alleged "freedom" of America to conquer other people and take their land. And now we're back to the American Revolution, in which some Americans fought other Americans and the British in order to break away and establish a new government. The French ALSO fought and died in the American War of Independence. In fact, without French arms and munitions, and the French Navy and French Army, the Americans would have lost their war of Independence. So, when we look back over American history, we find TWO wars in which Americans were actually fighting for freedom: the American Revolution and World War II. And in both of THOSE wars French men were ALSO fighting and dying for freedom, for the exact same cause. So no, there is nothing exceptional about American soldiers getting killed in a bunch of imperial wars for American expansion and power, and no, those wars were not about American freedom. The Revolution and World War II were about American freedom, and the French fought and died in those wars too.
Not all that much. Both are democracies. Both had revolutions. Both are middle-class Republics. Both have been allies in the two great struggles for American freedom: the American Revolution and World War II. Pretty tough for me to distinguish anything but cultural differences between France and America. And even the cultural differences are not all that different. The languages are a bit different, but quite close in concept and vocabulary. None of this is terribly surprising: France and England come out of the same people, and America came out of England. French bread is generally better than American bread. So yes, there are differences between France and America. No, they don't count for much.
I see this morning that one of the clerks has issue a license. I have seen no report of how the clerk was authorized to do so, or if he had the authority, why no licenses were issued for the past month or so.
That already is happening in places like Ferguson. It's never going to happen in white America.
He has the authority because nobody will stop him and the courts will recognize the acts, because of the actions of the Clerk in jail. When it comes to American law, might makes right.
Obviously there is more to the story than we can know. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
If there was no lawful delegation of authority, the happy couples(s) could find the purported marriage challenged later in Kentucky court.
That is my understanding as well. 17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Now, in the eyes of the Father our past sins are forgiven and washed clean as the Father now looks on the Born of the Spirit Christian and sees His Son Jesus Christ and His Righteousness. But the sins and failures of our past do have temporal (earthly) consequences and challenges. The sin is forgiven and forgotten by God. However, let's say man was married had an affair and got another woman pregnant. She has the child. That man still has the temporal challenges and consequences of the affair with regards to his marriage and also the responsibility to provide for the child conceived and born in adultery. Sin forgiven for the repentant sinner coming to Christ. The consequences of sin in this earthly life remain with us. Good example from the Bible is King David's adultery with Bathsheba and his murder of her husband Uriah. David and Bathsheba suffered the temporal consequences of their sin, yet God quickly forgave them. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Absolutely nothing. Just as a doctor can be an OB GYN and refuse to perform abortions and tubal ligation surgery. Women who want these procedures go to another doctor. Just as the Walmart pharmacy where I once lived in OK had a big sign saying "we do not fill birth control prescriptions." Women who wanted such prescriptions filled went to the CVS across the street. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
I managed to read your reply before it got "ZOTTED" and I think today's man is presumptuous in believing his laws out weigh Gods laws, I also think the Founding Fathers did too. Without them realizing it way back then the world would be a much "schittier" place.
And the ones bringing the challenge will be slapped down by said courts, and may have civil penalties imposed on plaintiffs, and professional sanctions on the lawyers. The issue of gay marriage is stare decisis. We are now in the phase that we were in the 1960s, with one Southern redneck after another walking into court to get guillotined. The decision has been made, and now the courts and law enforcement will enforce it, with rigor, and with a punitive mindset, to break the resistance and put fear into those who would resist. We have a long history of breaking resistance in America, and that experience will be brought to bear here. The proper place to fight this is for Christians to look back at what they are SUPPOSED to be doing, reform themselves and their churches to bring it perfectly in line (so that there can be no argument). Then Christians will find themselves remarkably free and remarkably cohesive, and relatively quite rich, and exclusive. And then they can act in very Christian ways that are so advantageous that those left outside will scream "unfair!" but there will be no access other than conversion. You disempower the state by being perfect, according to your own declared moral standards. Then nothing else matters, and the state and its petty laws and obsessions really become nothing. Or, if the state becomes too oppressive, you shuck off one country and move to another. The world belongs to God, and the whole thing belongs to God's people. Local tribes think they own it because they have put an arbitrary boundary by force. They're wrong. They only have what they can hold, and pagans are weak for money and pleasure and power, so they can always be divided among themselves.
I see this morning that one of the clerks has issue a license. I have seen no report of how the clerk was authorized to do so, or if he had the authority, why no licenses were issued for the past month or so. Is it a possibility another state or county official with the same authority delegated said authority? "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Unless the Christian is unforgiving of the sins of others. Then the Father recalls the sins and punishes the Christian using the measure by which the Christian measured. Recall that in the parable of the unforgiving servant, the servant had ALREADY BEEN FORGIVEN everything by the ruler, but then after his forgiveness he went out and was himself brutally unforgiving. The ruler had that man hauled BACK before him, UN-forgave the forgiveness, and threw the man into the torture chamber BECAUSE he had been unforgiving. And Jesus said that the Father will do exactly that to you. So in fact your sins are forgiven, and the Father wants to forgive them, but they are never completely gone, and if the Christian defies God's commandment of mercy and forgiveness, then God brings to bear his commandment and promise stated by Jesus - the sins are then recalled by God, and the man is judged by the measure by which he judged. The ONLY WAY to be forgiven your sins is by being forgiving and merciful to other men. The Christian who is baptized, loves God and is "saved" and forgiven, but who then is harsh and unforgiving, is judged by the unforgiving standard that he himself has set, and is thrown into the flames at the end. Jesus promised this. "What good does it do you to say that you follow me if you do not keep my commandments?" - Jesus Christians keep trying to make it easier than it is. It is not easy. The path is confining and narrow and few find it or stay on it. Christians who remain men seeking the power to judge and dominate have failed to listen to Jesus, and have doomed themselves to Gehenna. Forgiveness and mercy to other men is required for your own salvation. You are a sinner - all of your sins are forgiven IF you follow Jesus. Following Jesus means doing what he said. He said that God will forgive you all of your sins if, and only if, you forgive other men all of theirs. If you do not, you will not be forgiven. And the example Jesus gave directly on point showed the ruler REVOKING the complete forgiveness he had just given to a man BECAUSE that man went out and was unforgiving to other men. And Jesus said that the Father would do EXACTLY the same thing to every Christian who is not forgiving. Unforgiving Christians go to hell. There is no heaven for those who refuse to forgive. Because the degree of forgiveness that men have for other men sets the standard by which God forgives them. If you want to be forgiven every sin, you must forgive every sin. God is asking nothing more than you are asking of him. Jesus said that swearing oaths was from the Devil. Christians should never swear oaths. Traditions that say otherwise are Satanic. To swear an oath with your hand on the Bible is to give God the finger - he says IN that Bible: DO NOT SWEAR AT ALL. So, why is the Christian standing there defying God, invoking God's presence to do an evil act. The Christians Yes is all he should give. And if a state DEMANDS an oath, it is demanding an evil act. Whoever and whatever DEMANDS an oath is an evil organization, not a good one, for it demands an explicit act of evil. God's words are clear and repeated, and they are to be taken literally. That strips away a lot of tradition and law. What is left is remarkably free. And it is a struggle for God to KEEP it free, by throwing down all attempts to regulate men that exceed the regulations that God placed on men. God did not give men the power to regulate other men more closely than he regulates them. So when men try, it is always evil by definition, and Christians should never cooperate with them. Christians should start in their own lives - forgiving all. And in their families, not exercising excessive harshness, and teaching the truth. And Christians should force their churches to drop all traditions contrary to God, and to stop teaching traditions that are contrary to God. And Christians should stop giving financial support to any Church that will not drop EVERY error. There is no excuse for error. Error is what defies God. It is a defiance to ADD things to God's law. Because God's law is so short, if Christians just do that they will find themselves in unity. And they will have the Holy Spirit with them always. When a man puts his hand on the Bible and swears and oath before God, he is giving Jesus and the Father the finger. How much "Holy Spirit" is there in that act? If a man thinks he is filled with spirit as he does it, that merely shows how easily deceived men are by the actions of spirits.
Go to this link http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf for more info on the delegation of powers to County Offices in KY. Page 74 has info on Deputies of the Office of Clerk. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I suspect this situation is far from over. And according to family, Rowan County Ky has a lot of Christian people, and a lot of Amish. I would suspect that this Clerk will continue to be reelected as long as she wants the position. Time will tell. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Why is that? Si vis pacem, para bellum
Tell that to the millions of men that have died in America's wars, defending our freedoms. Thanks for displaying your true stripe once again, vicomte. It's refreshing to see a man tell the honest truth about himself, despite the fact that it is repugnant.. By all means, keep digging deeper in that shit-hole you're in....
Recall that in the parable of the unforgiving servant, the servant had ALREADY BEEN FORGIVEN everything by the ruler, but then after his forgiveness he went out and was himself brutally unforgiving. The ruler had that man hauled BACK before him, UN-forgave the forgiveness, and threw the man into the torture chamber BECAUSE he had been unforgiving. And Jesus said that the Father will do exactly that to you. That's a good example. However, I never saw the unforgiving servant as a "Christian." I always saw him as an example of: Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. So with the unforgiving servant it is a matter of disbelief...you will know them by their fruits. So in fact your sins are forgiven, and the Father wants to forgive them, but they are never completely gone, and if the Christian defies God's commandment of mercy and forgiveness, then God brings to bear his commandment and promise stated by Jesus - the sins are then recalled by God, and the man is judged by the measure by which he judged. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. Isaiah 43: 24 You have bought Me no sweet cane with money, Nor have you satisfied Me with the fat of your sacrifices; But you have burdened Me with your sins, You have wearied Me with your iniquities. 25 “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins. 26 Put Me in remembrance; Let us contend together; State your case, that you may be acquitted. Isaiah 44: 22 I have blotted out, like a thick cloud, your transgressions, And like a cloud, your sins. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.” 23 Sing, O heavens, for the Lord has done it! Shout, you lower parts of the earth; Break forth into singing, you mountains, O forest, and every tree in it! For the Lord has redeemed Jacob, And glorified Himself in Israel. Isaiah 1: 18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. The sins are blotted out or they are not. You are implying that sins are not blotted out but 'hang around' to snare a believer later on. Now the following will show that only those who are born of God's Spirit will seek to follow the footprints of Jesus Christ and seek out His Righteousness. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 1 John 1: 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” The unforgiving servant was a wicked jerk who never believed his master would fully forgive him. That's why he shook down those under him to get his money back. He rejected the grace of his master and demonstrated such by not being graceful himself. There's a saying for that too: 18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Ultimately, one could take all of the above and form whatever theology they want. What matters is the 'spark' which starts the fire in the first place. Of which of all the laws, commands and statutes none matter if one is not placed by God in right standing with Him: 5 Jesus answered,“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Amen! 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe authority is delegated to the elected official, not the general office.
#157. To: GrandIsland (#153)
I'm thinking her deputy clerk and the other clerks decided to stand behind their boss and unite... off the record.
#158. To: SOSO (#154)
She does not own the authority delegated to the office by the state, that belongs to the office not the individual to do with as she pleases.
#159. To: buckeroo (#157)
#160. To: nolu chan (#155)
Authorizing her subordinate a license with her name on it raises the same moral question, and she has declined. Non-elected officials can be fired or suspended and replaced. I don't think the state is fighting what she is doing. Think of this politically if she remains in jail for a few months or more.
#161. To: nolu chan (#158)
It belongs to an elected individual and cannot just be bestowed to an unelected official not holding the office of County Clerk.
#162. To: SOSO (#156)
I believe that you are wrong (see post 149).
#163. To: nolu chan (#162)
If it goes on for a few months, what does the Fed do?
#164. To: SOSO (#161)
Please read the link that I provided you, especially page 74.
Information Bulletin No. 114
Frankfort, KY
August 2014 Chapter 5
Liability For Deputies
Deputy. A substitute; a person duly authorized by an officer to exercise some or all of the functions pertaining to the office, in the place and stead of the latter. One appointed to substitute for another with power to act for him in his name or behalf. A substitute for another and is empowered to act for him in his name and behalf in all matters in which principal may act. Williams v. Ferrentino, Fla.App., 199 So.2d 504, 511.
#165. To: nolu chan (#162)
#166. To: SOSO (#163)
If the duputies issue the licenses as they appear to have agreed to do
#167. To: redleghunter (#165)
I'm thinking the sodomite couple would have found a different jurisdiction to get a license if a Muslim or Jew refused them.
#168. To: sneakypete, tpaine, Vicomte13, redleghunter, Liberator, Don, Stoner, A K A Stone, Justified, SOSO (#116)
This,like marriage itself,is a STATE issue,not a federal issue. It would be a federal issue if the state legislature or Governor decided to bar marriage between homosexuals,but this is just a case of a state employee violating her oath of office because any homosexuals who were refused a marriage license by her were free to go to the next town and get one.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#169. To: tpaine (#146)
Trouble is, whether it's Shakespeare or Claire Wolf, it's easy to talk about killing, but when it comes down to it, very few are willing to actually do that (thank God).
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#170. To: CZ82 (#168)
#171. To: sneakypete (#170)
If she did so,she was lying because she was swearing to God to obey the laws she was taking office to administer.
#172. To: Jameson (#37)
Kim Davis - thrice divorced, is invoking "her" religious beliefs....
#173. To: nolu chan (#147)
#174. To: nolu chan (#162)
" As long as she chooses to sit in jail, and the state does not act to remove her from office, one may view a big middle finger going from Kentucky to Washington, D.C. "
#175. To: CZ82 (#168)
You know I would think that when she took her oath of office she swore to do so with one hand on the Bible and said "So help me God". Which I would think also means she is supposed to support all the covenants that God put forth. (And we all know what the Bible says about homos, it's been discussed many times before on multiple forums). So it would seem to me that she is doing what she took an oath to do when she took office and the Feds are trying to make her break it.
#176. To: Vicomte13 (#137)
" people are apt to suffer wrongs as long as they're sufferable. "
#177. To: CZ82 (#168)
#178. To: tpaine (#146)
Tell that to the millions of men that have died in America's wars, defending our freedoms.
#179. To: CZ82 (#169)
He still hasn't learned that there is a difference between France and America...
#180. To: SOSO (#163)
#181. To: Stoner (#176)
However, if the time comes that those wrongs are no longer sufferable, it will be a different game. And those that have dished out the wrongs, will be in for a shocking surprise.
#182. To: nolu chan (#180)
I have seen no report of how the clerk was authorized to do so, or if he had the authority
#183. To: nolu chan (#180)
see this morning that one of the clerks has issue a license. I have seen no report of how the clerk was authorized to do so, or if he had the authority, why no licenses were issued for the past month or so.
#184. To: Vicomte13 (#182)
He has the authority because nobody will stop him and the courts will recognize the acts, because of the actions of the Clerk in jail.
#185. To: A K A Stone (#172)
She was divorced before she became a christian.
Ephesians 4:
#186. To: Stoner (#173)
What prevents these gays from simply going to the next county and getting a license.
#187. To: sneakypete (#170)
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#188. To: nolu chan (#184)
If there was no lawful delegation of authority, the happy couples(s) could find the purported marriage challenged later in Kentucky court.
#189. To: nolu chan (#180)
#190. To: redleghunter (#185)
Now, in the eyes of the Father our past sins are forgiven and washed clean
#191. To: redleghunter (#189)
Is it a possibility another state or county official with the same authority delegated said authority?
#192. To: cranky (#0)
#193. To: Vicomte13 (#181)
" It's never going to happen in white America. "
#194. To: Vicomte13 (#178)
Trouble is, whether it's Shakespeare or Claire Wolf, it's easy to talk about killing, but when it comes down to it, very few are willing to actually do that (thank God).
-- there is nothing exceptional about American soldiers getting killed in a bunch of imperial wars for American expansion and power, and no, those wars were not about American freedom. The Revolution and World War II were about American freedom, ----
#195. To: Vicomte13, liberator, GarySpFc (#190)
Unless the Christian is unforgiving of the sins of others. Then the Father recalls the sins and punishes the Christian using the measure by which the Christian measured.
Hebrews 4:
Acts 3:
Matthew 6:
1 John 2:
John 3:
#196. To: Vicomte13, liberator, GarySpFc (#190)
God's words are clear and repeated, and they are to be taken literally
John 10:
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