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Title: Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/ ... nc-main-debate-cnn-121757.html
Published: Aug 26, 2015
Author: Steven Shepard
Post Date: 2015-08-27 12:56:44 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 4763
Comments: 55

Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC

The Republican businesswoman is crying foul over possibly being left off the next main debate stage. The RNC’s response — tough luck.

By Steven Shepard

8/26/15 8:38 AM EDT Updated 8/26/15 10:41 PM EDT

The first GOP presidential candidate to go to war publicly with the Republican National Committee is not Donald Trump. It’s Carly Fiorina.

Faced with the very real possibility that she will again be relegated to a lower-tier debate, Fiorina’s campaign is going after the RNC and the news organization the committee picked to host the next debate, CNN.

What has ensued is a tense back-and-forth, with Fiorina’s camp charging that the RNC should be doing more to ensure that the debate stage represents the true top 10 candidates, and the RNC saying tough luck, the rules are set.

Fiorina, the only female candidate in the GOP field, has surged in the polls since a widely praised performance in the “happy hour” debate earlier this month. But she has a problem: There haven’t been enough polls to catapult Fiorina from 14th place, where she stood going into that debate, into the top 10 ranking for CNN’s Sept. 16 debate.

That’s because CNN — unlike Fox News, which used only the final five polls released before its debate — outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10. And of the 10 polls that currently qualify for inclusion in CNN’s average, eight were conducted before the first debate.

The Fiorina campaign’s solution? Since CNN has already said it will use all the polls, it should weight down the older surveys and weight up the post-debate polls — and the RNC should make sure that happens.

“The RNC should ask CNN to treat the polling in July the same as the polling that comes after,” said Sarah Isgur Flores, Fiorina’s deputy campaign manager, in a Medium post. “Because there were nine polls released in the three weeks before the last debate, one would expect 18 polls released in the six weeks between the two debates. If that does not happen, the polling average of those six weeks should be treated as the equivalent of 18 polls. Assuming the numbers remain consistent with current polling, Carly would easily place in the top 10 for the main debate.”

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#5. To: nolu chan (#0)

That’s because CNN ... outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10.

And she agreed. Now she wants to change the rules (though I'm sure she'd scream bloody murder if another candidate tried this).

That's real Presidential, Carly. No wonder they kicked you out at HP.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-27   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

Now she wants to change the rules

That's what a politician does for a living: lawmaking is merely the process of writing new rules.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-27   13:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

"That's what a politician does for a living: lawmaking is merely the process of writing new rules."

1) Laws are written by Congress. She's running for President.

2) Laws are written according to the will of the people, not the will of the politicians.

3) Writing new rules in mid-stream which favor the rule-writer is not lawmaking. It's cheating.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-27   14:39:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#11)

1) Laws are written by Congress. She's running for President.

2) Laws are written according to the will of the people, not the will of the politicians.

3) Writing new rules in mid-stream which favor the rule-writer is not lawmaking. It's cheating.

(1) Laws - things that have the force of law - have always been created by courts - that is what the Common Law is. Statutory law is written by Congress. Regulatory law is written by the Executive branch. It's all law.

(2) Laws always have been, and always will be, nothing more than the opinions of the legislator. In America, the people choose the legislators, but the legislators legislate according to their own opinions. If the people don't like what they've done, they can replace them in the next election. Other than in ballot initiatives at the state level, the people never write laws directly, and the laws are only "by their will" through a very attenuated pretense.

(3) All changes to all rules is always mid-stream.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-27   16:53:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

(1) Laws - things that have the force of law - have always been created by courts

Nope. Common Law is simply stare decisis -- a court decision made on case law or precedent. Our courts do not write new laws.

That said, a judge can certainly reinterpret statutory law or existing common law (eg., the Kelo decision), but that is usually looked upon negatively as judicial activism.

"Regulatory law is written by the Executive branch."

Executive orders are limited to the implementation and enforcement of statutory laws written by Congress.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-28   9:52:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#33)

Nope. Common Law is simply stare decisis -- a court decision made on case law or precedent. Our courts do not write new laws.

All of our original law came from Common Law. It was codified later by statutes that sometimes changed it. The equitable power of courts makes the law for the case, and makes the law for the lower courts.

How the courts rule determines what the law actually is.

The Supreme Court made the current abortion law of America. Legislatures and Executives have no power to override the Supreme Court's imposition of abortion law. They have tried, and the Supreme Court has struck them down and cleared off their competing law every time.

Law doesn't work according to the simplistic lines in civics books. It's more complicated than that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-28   10:53:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Vicomte13 (#35)

"The Supreme Court made the current abortion law of America."

Just the opposite. They told legislators across the country that writing laws banning abortion violated a woman's right to privacy protected by the U.S. Constitution.

This is the judicial activism I was referring to.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-28   11:01:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: misterwhite (#38)

This is the judicial activism I was referring to.

The American Constitution lends itself to an activist Supreme Court, and the American system is structured around that. Judges make laws here.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-28   13:19:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Vicomte13 (#43)

"The American Constitution lends itself to an activist Supreme Court, and the American system is structured around that. Judges make laws here."

The U.S. Constitution created three co-equal branches of government. It wasn't until 1803, in Marbury v. Madison, that the U.S. Supreme Court assigned itself sole responsibility for interpreting the constitution.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   11:08:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite (#52)

1803 is a long, long time ago.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-29   22:05:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Vicomte13 (#53)

"1803 is a long, long time ago."

Yes it was. But where were we? Oh, yeah.

My point was that the U.S. Constitution did not lend itself to an activist Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court lent itself to an activist Supreme Court. It gave itself the sole power to interpret the constitution and has the last word on the matter.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-30   9:47:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#55. To: misterwhite (#54)

That's true. The Constitution as written has nothing about activist Supreme Courts or Presidents able to send forces into combat without a Declaration of War, or Congress being able to delegate its powers to the Executive branch, or any of the other structural aspects of our system.

And if government were operated on a Sola Scriptura basis, the fact that the Constitution says or doesn't say something would really be the final word. But our system isn't Sola Scriptura, so the fact that the Constitution doesn't permit those things doesn't really matter. It doesn't explicitly prohibit them either, and they are our system, so we're stuck with them.

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