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Title: Can the Government Ban Anything?
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Published: Aug 19, 2015
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2015-08-19 18:04:09 by tpaine
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Can the Government Ban Anything?

By Laurence M. Vance

August 4, 2015

Even though it is true that the government currently bans all kinds of things, I am asking a serious question. Let me expand and clarify it. Is the federal government authorized by the Constitution to make illegal the possession of any substance that it deems it to be harmful, hazardous, immoral, addictive, threatening, damaging, injurious, destructive, unsafe, or dangerous to an individual or to society?

I am not talking about state governments—that is a separate issue. I am talking about the U.S. national government that was set up by the Constitution in 1789. The Constitution that was amended in 1791, 1795, 1804, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1913, 1919, 1920, 1933, 1951, 1961, 1964, 1967, 1971, & 1992. The Constitution that is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution that all conservatives claim to revere. The Constitution that all conservatives say they expect the federal government to follow. The Constitution that conservatives drag out and dust off every time there is an election. The Constitution that the Republican Party says it is the party of. The Constitution that all members of Congress swear to support and defend. The Constitution that the president swears to preserve, protect, and defend. The Constitution by which the Supreme Court is expected to judge all laws.

I have several times brought up this question of the government having the authority to ban anything in the context of the federal government’s War on Drugs. In arguing that the Constitution nowhere authorizes the federal government to concern itself with the nature or quantity of any substance that any American wants to eat, drink, smoke, inject, absorb, snort, sniff, inhale, swallow, or otherwise ingest into his body, I have sometimes added that the federal government has no authority to ban drugs because it has no authority to ban anything. I have also occasionally pointed out that when the federal government sought to prohibit the “manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors” after World War I, it realized that it could only do so by amending the Constitution, hence the Eighteenth Amendment. I have even written a whole article on this.

But is this really the case? Does the federal government really not have the authority to ban anything or was I just using hyperbole?

Well, first of all, in Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution, there are eighteen paragraphs that enumerate the limited powers the Constitution grants to Congress. Limited powers. Very limited powers. Four of them concern money or taxes. One concerns commerce. One concerns naturalization and bankruptcies. One concerns post offices and post roads. One concerns copyrights and patents. One concerns federal courts. One concerns maritime crimes. Six concern the military and the militia. One concerns the governance of the District of Columbia. And the last one gives Congress the power “to make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers.” Since the Twenty-First Amendment Repealed the Eighteenth, nothing in any of the Constitution’s amendments gives the federal government any additional power to ban something.

Second, anything not so enumerated in Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution is reserved to the states. Period. It can’t be any other way, since the states were in existence before the Constitution, the states sent delegates to the Constitutional Convention who created the Constitution, and the states ratified the Constitution. And just to make sure there is no doubt about what is delegated and what is reserved, the Tenth Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

James Madison succinctly explained this simple federal system of government in Federalist No. 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

So, what does all of this mean for Americans in the twenty-first century? It means the same thing it meant in the eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth century.

The federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to ban the possession of not just any drug—including cocaine, heroin, and meth—but also moonshine, any kind of gun, any type of ammunition, elephant ivory, exotic animals, Cuban cigars, unlicensed dentures, home-brewed beer and wine, and bald eagles.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to mandate that pharmacies keep Sudafed and other allergy medicines behind the counter.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to declare a portion of your property a wetland and fine and imprison you for filling it in with dirt.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to limit the number of withdrawals that Americans can make from their savings accounts each month.

One can search the Constitution all morning, all afternoon, all evening, all day, and all night with an electron microscope, x-ray vision, and MRI machine, the latest NSA spyware, and night-vision goggles and never find the hint of a reference to the federal government having the authority to prohibit Americans from possessing some object.

Conservatives want to be applauded for expressing their fidelity to the Constitution just for saying that Obamacare should be repealed because it is unconstitutional. But since it is clear that the Constitution doesn’t authorize the federal government to ban anything, it is likewise clear that conservatives— and especially Republican members of Congress—are not only woefully ignorant of the document they claim to hold in such high esteem, but are in fact enemies of the Constitution because they support almost every one of the federal government’s illegitimate and unconstitutional prohibitions on possessing certain objects.

That the federal government unconstitutionally criminalizes the possession of so many things is bad enough. But that the vast majority of Americans accept this as legitimate is even more troubling.

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#1. To: tpaine (#0)

I'm not saying it's legal,but the feral government has done a pretty damn good job of banning Free Enterprise and Freedom of Association.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-19   20:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

That the federal government unconstitutionally criminalizes the possession of so many things is bad enough. But that the vast majority of Americans accept this as legitimate is even more troubling.

I'm not saying it's legal,but the feral government has done a pretty damn good job of banning Free Enterprise and Freedom of Association.

To me, the fact that so many conservatives actually even DEFEND the 'rights' of govt to prohibit so-called dangerous and evil things is mind boggling..

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-19   22:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tpaine (#0)

The states don't have the power either.

God gave dominion over the plants to every man. He did not give dominion over men to other men. Therefore, men do not have the right to create laws giving themselves such dominion, and if they do create such laws, they have no right to enforce them. And if they do enforce them, they sin.

Nobody is granted the power to police how other people use plants. If harm is caused, the damage they do must be recompensed. if they kill under the influence, they must be put to death. If they wound, they must be so wounded. That is the only true law. All beyond that is a usurpation and an oppression, and a sin.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-19   22:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tpaine (#0) (Edited)

Can the Government Ban Anything?

Under the Bushs, Clintons, and Obama; the government has done a good job of banning adulthood. It has banned it by infantile example and supression or absense of adult criticisim.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-20   1:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: rlk, tpaine (#4)

Under the Bushs, Clintons, and Obama; the government has done a good job of banning adulthood.

But you do get a participation trophy for showing up for childhood.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-20   2:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tpaine (#0)

I have several times brought up this question of the government having the authority to ban anything in the context of the federal government’s War on Drugs. In arguing that the Constitution nowhere authorizes the federal government to concern itself with the nature or quantity of any substance that any American wants to eat, drink, smoke, inject, absorb, snort, sniff, inhale, swallow, or otherwise ingest into his body, I have sometimes added that the federal government has no authority to ban drugs because it has no authority to ban anything. I have also occasionally pointed out that when the federal government sought to prohibit the “manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors” after World War I, it realized that it could only do so by amending the Constitution, hence the Eighteenth Amendment.

As phrased, this indicates the federal government can amend the Constitution. It cannot. It can propose amendments, but it has no power to ratify them.

The people, in their infinite wisdom, ratified an amendment that Federal government found impossible to effectively enforce.

Among the delegated powers, Congress was delegated the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States, and the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

- - - - - - - - -

Is the federal government authorized by the Constitution to make illegal the possession of any substance that it deems it to be harmful, hazardous, immoral, addictive, threatening, damaging, injurious, destructive, unsafe, or dangerous to an individual or to society?

SCOTUS has ruled that they can.

Personally, I'm generally skeptical of such inferred power. I think it is a stretch to find it within the general welfare or the regulation of interstate commerce, unless we are talking about a product in interstate commerce. The Federal government has expanded its powers beyond the imagination of the Framers. Using this to defend a drug charge would indicate one has used too many drugs.

I guess if you inquire of another if he has any product, it matters whether it is intra-state or inter-state product.

A good argument can be made that the police power was reserved to the states.

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The federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to ban the possession of not just any drug—including cocaine, heroin, and meth—but also moonshine, any kind of gun, any type of ammunition, elephant ivory, exotic animals, Cuban cigars, unlicensed dentures, home-brewed beer and wine, and bald eagles.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to mandate that pharmacies keep Sudafed and other allergy medicines behind the counter.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to declare a portion of your property a wetland and fine and imprison you for filling it in with dirt.

Just like the federal government has no authority whatsoever under the Constitution to limit the number of withdrawals that Americans can make from their savings accounts each month.

The Federal government certainly has the authority to ban the importation or sale of Cuban cigars, or Cuban anything, if diplomatic relations are broken, or war is declared.

Sudafed probably falls under interstate commerce, and the general welfare might include controlling the ingredients used for a meth lab.

It certainly could not have been a plan of the Framers to make new states and have the Federal government retain title to virtually all the land in the state. This is just a personal observation that the article does not get around to.

- - - - - - - - - -

One can search the Constitution all morning, all afternoon, all evening, all day, and all night with an electron microscope, x-ray vision, and MRI machine, the latest NSA spyware, and night-vision goggles and never find the hint of a reference to the federal government having the authority to prohibit Americans from possessing some object.

I can take this challenge. This statement is just too broad.

Unauthorized people, such as Hillary's staff members, could be prohibited from possessing a document that contains TS/SCI information. Only the Federal government has the power to classify information and possesses the power to effect its duty to protect that information.

A good general welfare case can be made against the general population possessing nuclear bombs or certain very highly dangerous materials, such as biological weapons.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-20   2:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#6)

"I have also occasionally pointed out that when the federal government sought to prohibit the “manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors” after World War I, it realized that it could only do so by amending the Constitution, hence the Eighteenth Amendment."

The people, in their infinite wisdom, ratified an amendment that Federal government found impossible to effectively enforce.

The people ratified an impossible to enforce prohibition that violates their own inalienable rights. --- And the SCOTUS, in their infinite cowardice, refused to declare it unconstitutional.

Among the delegated powers, Congress was delegated the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States, and the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Personally, I'm generally skeptical of such inferred power. I think it is a stretch to find it within the general welfare or the regulation of interstate commerce, ----

Thanks for your reasoned reply.

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-20   10:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#5)

But you do get a participation trophy for showing up for childhood.

LOL!

So true,so true.

IMHO,the "teeter ball trophies" and similar crap were purposely done to celebrate losers and instill the idea in children/chil-runs that it's not necessary to actually work hard to achieve anything because the government will reward you just for being you and for having a pulse.

Or as hoodrats say,"Only stupid people work jobs".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-20   15:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tpaine (#7)

The people ratified an impossible to enforce prohibition that violates their own inalienable rights. --- And the SCOTUS, in their infinite cowardice, refused to declare it unconstitutional.

There is no such thing as an unconstitutional ratified amendment, and the Court, as the servant of the people, does not have the power to cast a negative upon a sovereign act of the people, even if the people chose to act stupidly.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-20   18:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan, Y'ALL (#9)

The people ratified an impossible to enforce prohibition that violates their own inalienable rights. --- And the SCOTUS, in their infinite cowardice, refused to declare it unconstitutional.

There is no such thing as an unconstitutional ratified amendment,

That is your opinion, unsupported by any reading of the Constitution itself.

and the Court, as the servant of the people, does not have the power to cast a negative upon a sovereign act of the people,

You've made lengthy arguments that they have the power to issue opinions on the constitutionality of such issues. - I've agreed..

even if the people chose to act stupidly.

'The people' not only acted stupidly, they acted unconstitutionally. -- In a sense , you deny that a super majority of 'the people' can do so, that ANYTHING they do to amend the Constitution is acceptable. -- Not so, as any amendments that violate our inalienable rights would be null and void from enactment.. (See the reAsoning in the Marbury opinion)

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-20   19:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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