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Title: Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
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National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... 4/trump-lost-debate-rich-lowry
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Rich Lowry
Post Date: 2015-08-12 09:37:23 by Tooconservative
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Views: 19388
Comments: 132
Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. Trump didn’t suffer a catastrophe (he still leads in the state), but the debate hurt him: The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him. And a third of Iowa Republicans say Trump – enmeshed in a post-debate contretemps over his comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly – “doesn’t show appropriate respect for women.” A larger number, 46%, side with the real-estate mogul and reality-TV star, saying criticism of his comments about women “are just examples of political correctness.” Then there’s this: Trump scores a big lead among those who didn’t watch the debate, at 21%, double the standing of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who finishes second at 10%. But among those who watched the debate, Trump does less well, tied with Walker at 14%. Meanwhile, Trump still leads in New Hampshire, but is lower than he had been in prior surveys: BREAKING: NEW @FPUniversity /@bostonherald NH POLL @realDonaldTrump 18% @JebBush 13% @JohnKasich 12% @CarlyFiorina 9% pic.twitter.com/lXa1NZ6JAF— Boston Herald Radio (@HeraldRadio) August 11, 2015 And Rasmussen has Trump losing altitude nationally: The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote. Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%). (To see survey question wording, click here.) Poster Comment: Trump's highest Suffolk poll standing in IA is among people who didn't watch the debate. So Trump polls best among Iowa's Know-Nothings. He could have advocated full-blown Soviet communism and still been their pick. You can't deny that NR is still a hotbed of Trump haters ("Witless Ape Rides Escalator") so take it all, like any these goofy August name-recognition polls, with a big grain of salt.
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#81. To: TooConservative (#43)
To me Trump keeps stepping on his own dick and before long will only have the support of the "hard cores". He has to learn to "Engage brain before engaging mouth" if he wants to have a chance... Whom I supported.
I do have a clue about Trump's ground operation, or rather the lack of it. All the other serious candidates are building ground operations with chairmen and renting offices and hiring staff. These things don't happen magically, done overnight by little elves. A few others like Pataki and Gillmore and Graham are the only ones who are not building up campaign organizations. You realize that the ground campaign organizations for the primary season are the basis for building up your ground operation for the general election campaign. AFAIK, Trump hasn't even opened a single campaign office yet, let alone hired real staff for them. As unfair as it is, you can't win IA or NH or SC just by flying in a few times on your private 757 and telling the press how lucky the voters are that you are willing to accept the nomination from the fine people of the state. Wait until Trump meets Iowa's corn and pig farmers. That should be fun. And campaigning 14-16 hours a day? Trump is really going to do that? I just can't quite imagine it. I keep wondering if Trump will be the Second Coming of Fred Thompson. Go out to the Iowa state fair, putt around on a golf cart and basically never get heard from again. Giuliani didn't fare so well either and was reduced to a Floriduh strategy but by then McCain had big momentum and deep party backing.
He really needs to study. Basic stuff about the world, about the actual policy issues. He makes Sarah Palin look like a genius by comparison. He's lived in his little Donald Trump World in NYC for so long, he doesn't pay attention to a lot of issues that the country will expect its next president to know something about. Walker's and Bush's preparedness are questioned but Trump doesn't even qualify. Plus, he flipflops around on issues like funding or defunding PP. Who knows what he thinks about it? No one.
Trump can stand in one place, get the media, and reach the whole country. He is a celebrity, a star. He doesn't have to go shake hands in diners like nobody high-school class presidents who have worked their way up through the professional political cycle have to. He's not coming in to be a politician, he's a billionaire stepping in to the throne, and he fully intends to bypass all of the usual crap that common people have to do to get elected, by using his star power and money to do it his way. He has the eye and attention of the nation. Whatever he does, anywhere, gets attention. Nobody expects stars to go to diners. And he doesn't have to either, because people form an opinion of him from the broader brush media. They've had him in their living rooms and quoted them more than Obama. And everybody in the country has liked him in some way. They may have come to dislike him for his political positions or bluster, but at some point everybody did like him, and that's never true of a career politician. Career politicians are nobodies whom you have to encounter because they press themselves onto you for a job. Trump is already somebody. He's asking you to hire him for a few years for a specific task, a big task. He doesn't have a politician's equipment - and may not NEED it to get elected. People are sick of professional politicians and party hacks. We all see them as incompetent, corrupt, petty assholes. And we're right. Trump/Oprah is a brilliant ticket because it would certainly win. And no, they would not have to undergo a "grueling campaign". A few stops in a state to sold out crowds, televised everywhere, and they'd be rock stars. People pretend that Clinton was a rock star, or Obama, and as politicians they sort of were. But Trump is a TV star, and Oprah (yes, I'm having fun, but she IS eligible for the office, having at least one American citizen parent) - she's one of the most successful entertainers ever. Trump can do it his own way, and win. I'm going to support him no matter what. I've got no party. I hate both the parties. I look down on professional politicians. I don't think that what political people do with their lives is worthwhile. I do not view it as "serving me" or public service at all. I view it as a combination of c-rate theater and mob pressure on people. Politics diminishes the people who do it. Trump is interesting. He's not a politician, and that's to his benefit in getting people like me to follow him, and vote for him once. If it turns out to be a disaster, so what? LBJ was a disaster. Nixon was a disaster. Carter was a disaster. H.W. Bush was a disaster, and W Bush was a disaster. Trump cannot be worse than them. Unlike all of them, he actually successfully has run something hard, and real, for years. Rising in politics is not an achievement I respect, because I do not think that what politicians and civil servants do is really worthwhile activity. Nor do I think it is particularly hard, when compared with making money. Also, politicians do get rich, but that is entirely through corruption. Trump and real businessmen who have gotten rich actually did it in a way that seems straightforward and legal to me. I know, TL;DR Well, you're missing a lot.
You're right. It's over 3 months until the (worthless) IA caucus. I keep noticing how the Trump backers seem to be insisting that The Donald be coronated immediately. Fascinating. What's wrong, don't they want to see him run a 50+ state campaign? When will Donald visit (or send a surrogate) to the early contests in the six American territories that can award convention delegates. I recall Romney's sons going there and cleaning up.
He'll look at the subject intently, make a decision, and move on. What politicians do is not "hard work". They're not bright people.
Frankly that is the opinion of a nobody.
Yes he did. And all of that immense effort, and spending money on political people to do very busy things, was all useless. Suppose with movie star quality one can simply leap past that waste, and leap past having to hire all of those useless people, and connect directly with voters and get their votes. Trump is doing that. He changes the game because of charisma and celebrity. It's why he will win unless the Republicans start throwing procedural barriers against him. His opponents cannot do that, only the GOP apparatus itself can. And will. Biden will be a decent President.
Have mercy. Go back to Biden. It's slightly less insane.
Oprah is a racist c word. He was joking when he said that. Someone asked him about it at some Oprah event and he said sure or something to that effect.
Yea it's a place where everybody says "Yes sir" no matter what crap comes out of his mouth... He's been told that before... Suppose with movie star quality one can simply leap past that waste, and leap past having to hire all of those useless people, and connect directly with voters and get their votes. Giuliani still had that whole America's Mayor think, he had approval in the mid-sixties in almost every state despite some people knowing how liberal he was on abortion and gun control. And he really had a tin ear on the subject. He got dispatched by the various interest groups who defined who and what he was. I see no reason why Trump has any better chance. Like I said before: Trump but not Giuliani (who was obviously capable of running a large government as an executive)? You've got to be kidding.
You really notice how he refuses to appear on TV for interviews despite the fact that Trump Tower is only a few blocks from the major news studios. Instead, he won't leave his penthouse and travel a few blocks to appear like any other candidate engaging with the press in a normal campaign about issues. Raising the non-campaign of Alf Landon was not just an idle remark. Trump really doesn't travel well. Recall his attempt to run in 2012 when he flew his Trumpcopter up to NH for a big announcement. He got about 75 reporters there, kinda hemhawed around, told them he's the greatest, and then flew back to NYC, not to be heard from again. Trump has fizzled when it came to actual campaigning before.
Damn that was waaaaaayyy before my time... He only went what 3-4 places last time before he mailed it in??? The 1940 election was even worse. The GOP nominee ended up as such an admirer of FDR's that he went to work for him. Afterward, Roosevelt found Willkie to be compatible politically with his plans and brought him aboard as an informal ambassador-at-large. Willkie criss-crossed the globe and brought home a vision of "One World" freed from imperialism and colonialism. Following his journeys, Willkie wrote One World; a bestselling account of his travels and meetings with the Allied heads of state, as well as ordinary citizens and soldiers in regions such as Russia and Iran.[3] His liberalism lost him supporters in the Republican Party and he dropped out of the 1944 race, then several months later died of a heart attack. And people think the GOPe is horrible and pathetic today but it was totally sucky back in the Thirties. What if Romney had taken an administration job with Obama after he lost the 2012 race? Yeow.
Maybe these diehard Trump fans, who undoubtedly know more about him than we do, could provide a nice itinerary of Trump's 2012 campaign for the GOP nomination.
In California, that is how they campaign. Because of the size of the state it is all on TV.
Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. http://www.suffolk.edu/academics/10740.php Poll Documents: Press Release: Trump Leads Iowa GOP Field but Shows Less Strength among Debate Viewers Statement of Methodology: This survey of 500 likely Iowa Republican Caucus voters was conducted between August 7 and August 10, 2015, and is based on a statewide random sample drawn from a list of registered Republican voters who indicated they were very or somewhat likely to vote in their local Republican Caucuses in six months. Each of Iowa's five areas and demographic information were determined from past contested Republican presidential caucuses including 2008 and 2012, using a probability-proportionate-to-size method, which means that the phone numbers assigned to each county were proportional to the number of likely caucus voters. Iowa's 99 counties were grouped into five general regions. The margin of sampling error for results based on the total sample is plus or minus 4.4 percentage points. Error margins increase for smaller subgroups in the cross-tabulation document which follows. All surveys may be subject to other sources of error, including, but not limited to coverage error and measurement error. Key Names/Issues: Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, George Pataki, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Scott Walker, FoxNews debate http://www.suffolk.edu/news/60760.php#.VcvdlflVhBc Press Release that accompanied actual Suffolk poll. August 11, 2015 With just six months until the Iowa caucuses, businessman Donald Trump (17 percent) leads the field of Republicans among likely GOP caucus voters, according to a poll from Suffolk University. Meanwhile, a subset of voters who watched the Aug. 6 Republican debate said that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Dr. Ben Carson were the most impressive candidates. The Suffolk University Iowa poll showed Gov. Scott Walker of neighboring Wisconsin second at 12 percent; Rubio, 10 percent; retired neurosurgeon Carson, 9 percent; and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and businesswoman Carly Fiorina tied at 7 percent. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush polled at 5 percent, followed by Ohio Gov. John Kasich (3 percent), while former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie were tied at 2 percent. Six other candidates received 1 percent or less, while 20 percent of voters were undecided. “It appears that Donald Trump’s lead is strong so long as the number of active opponents remains above a dozen,” said David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center in Boston. “If the Republican field were winnowed down to five or six candidates, Trump’s 17 percent probably wouldn’t be enough to win in Iowa, as polling indicates that his further growth has limitations. The long-shot candidates staying in the race help keep Trump on top—at least for now.” Debate Impact The race was closer among viewers of last Thursday’s debate: Trump and Walker were tied at 14 percent, with Rubio (11 percent), Carson and Fiorina (tied at 10 percent), and Cruz (9 percent) close behind. However, among likely caucus voters who skipped watching the FOX NEWS debate, Trump (21 percent) led Carson (10 percent) by a wider margin, with Rubio and Walker tied at 8 percent. “In the absence of a debate, Trump’s lead widens because he swallows up the political oxygen, but when that oxygen is spread out more evenly in a debate, it breathes life into the other candidates, and the race gets closer,” said Paleologos. When viewers were asked about Trump after seeing him debate, 55 percent said they were less comfortable with him as a candidate for president, and 23 percent said they were more comfortable. Forty-one percent said the debate moderators targeted Trump unfairly, while 54 percent disagreed. Debate performance Both Rubio and Carson benefited from strong debate performances and are within striking distance of the leaders. When debate viewers were asked which candidate was most impressive, Rubio led with 23 percent, followed by Carson with 22 percent. Carson and Rubio also topped the field at 12 percent each as viewers’ second choice—an indicator of future growth potential. When viewers shared in their own words which debate moment they remembered most, Carson dominated, with 25 percent mentioning his closing remarks, brain surgery comments, or providing other positive feedback. Though she did not appear on the evening debate stage, Fiorina made her mark among afternoon debate viewers, 82 percent of whom said Fiorina was the most impressive of the seven candidates in the earlier debate. Among viewers of either debate, 93 percent said Fiorina should be invited to debate the top tier of Republican candidates in the future. History of Suffolk Research in Iowa In the most recent Iowa Republican primary for U.S. Senate, the April 2014 Suffolk University poll was the first to show then-State Sen. Joni Ernst overtaking front-runner Mark Jacobs. In May, Suffolk polled three bellwether counties—Black Hawk, Boone, and Washington—all of which indicated a landslide win for Ernst. She went on to defeat her four Republican opponents with a 38-point margin. Methodology The statewide survey of 500 likely Iowa presidential caucus voters was conducted Aug. 7-10, 2015, using live telephone interviews of Republican primary voter households where respondents indicated they were very or somewhat likely to attend their local caucuses for president in six months. The margin of error is +/-4.4 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence. Marginals and full cross-tabulation data are posted on the Suffolk University Political Research Center website. For more information, contact David Paleologos at 781-290-9310, dpaleologos@suffolk.edu. The marginals and tables provide greater details.
Let's see Trump try that in Iowa or New Hampshire. Those people expect personal attention. I'm trying to picture Trump and his wife eating the usual ghastly rubber chicken dinner with the west Iowa corn grower's association and their lovely wives. I think he'd be back on that 757 in an hour, headed for NYC, never to return.
I focused on that earlier. If Trump won the debate, how did his support shrink among those who saw the debate and only remain steady with those who didn't see the debate. And that doesn't explain how much he got booed by the debate crowd after that first question. People blame Megyn Kelly for Trump's debate performance but Trump got booed steadily after that first question. Brett "Babyface" Baier was the one with the knife.
No! Really? I'm crushed! Here I was hoping... Trump/Rubio is a real ticket that would unite the party and win the election, and then afterwards make the country better.
Ummm, hello, 1940. WORLD WAR II! National unity was more important than party. And the Republicans had a lot to atone for too, considering that they blocked every effort to get involved earlier to stop Hitler.
I tell you it would be Cruz. They seem to genuinely admire each other.
I would vote for Trump/Cruz, happily. Unfortunately, I don't know if I'll ever get the chance.
The entire Fox staff were carry water for the GOPe. It has been your position, repeatedly, that polls do not matter. At least until one poll can be spun to Trump being the leader in all the polls, but not as significantly in the lead. Now, a poll of a few hundred people in Iowa, with Trump still in the lead means Trump lost the debate. That would be based on the opinion of a few hundred selected people in one state. Just be happy that Trump appears to have a limited ceiling, limiting his ability to win a general election. Here is Bret Baier, the baby-faced assassin. Again, we’re looking for you to raise your hand now — raise your hand now if you won’t make that pledge tonight. Mr. Trump. (BOOING) Mr. Trump to be clear, you’re standing on a Republican primary debate stage. TRUMP: I fully understand. BAIER: The place where the RNC will give the nominee the nod. TRUMP: I fully understand. BAIER: And that experts say an independent run would almost certainly hand the race over to Democrats and likely another Clinton. You can’t say tonight that you can make that pledge? TRUMP: I cannot say. I have to respect the person that, if it’s not me, the person that wins, if I do win, and I’m leading by quite a bit, that’s what I want to do. I can totally make that pledge. If I’m the nominee, I will pledge I will not run as an independent. But — and I am discussing it with everybody, but I’m, you know, talking about a lot of leverage. We want to win, and we will win. But I want to win as the Republican. I want to run as the Republican nominee. BAIER: So tonight, you can’t say if another one of these… PAUL: This is what’s wrong! BAIER: OK. PAUL: I mean, this is what’s wrong. He buys and sells politicians of all stripes, he’s already… BAIER: Dr. Paul. PAUL: Hey, look, look! He’s already hedging his bet on the Clintons, OK? So if he doesn’t run as a Republican, maybe he supports Clinton, or maybe he runs as an independent… BAIER: OK. PAUL: …but I’d say that he’s already hedging his bets because he’s used to buying politicians. TRUMP: Well, I’ve given him plenty of money. BAIER: Just to be clear, you can’t make a — we’re gonna — we’re going to move on. You’re not gonna make the pledge tonight? TRUMP: I will not make the pledge at this time. BAIER: OK. Alright. (LAUGHTER, BOOING) = = = = = = = = Mr. Trump, ObamaCare is one of the things you call a disaster. TRUMP: A complete disaster, yes. BAIER: Saying it needs to be repealed and replaced. TRUMP: Correct. BAIER: Now, 15 years ago, uncalled yourself a liberal on health care. You were for a single-payer system, a Canadian-style system. Why were you for that then and why aren’t you for it now? TRUMP: First of all, I’d like to just go back to one. In July of 2004, I came out strongly against the war with Iraq, because it was going to destabilize the Middle East. And I’m the only one on this stage that knew that and had the vision to say it. And that’s exactly what happened. BAIER: But on ObamaCare… TRUMP: And the Middle East became totally destabilized. So I just want to say. As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you’re talking about here. What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees. And if I’m negotiating in New York or in New Jersey or in California, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid. You know why? Because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians, of course, with the exception of the politicians on this stage. But they have total control of the politicians. They’re making a fortune. Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have… (BUZZER NOISE) TRUMP: — yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system. (CROSSTALK) BAIER: Mr. Trump, hold up one second. PAUL: I’ve got a news flash… BAIER: All right, now, hold on, Senator Paul… PAUL: News flash, the Republican Party’s been fighting against a single-payer system… BAIER: OK. PAUL: — for a decade. So I think you’re on the wrong side of this if you’re still arguing for a single-payer system. TRUMP: I’m not — I’m not are — I don’t think you heard me. You’re having a hard time tonight. BAIER: All right, let me… (APPLAUSE) BAIER: Mr. Trump, it’s not just your past support for single- payer health care. You’ve also supported a host of other liberal policies. Use — you’ve also donated to several Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton included, Nancy Pelosi. You explained away those donations saying you did that to get business-related favors. And you said recently, quote, “When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.” TRUMP: You’d better believe it. BAIER: So what specifically did… UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That’s true. BAIER: — they do? TRUMP: If I ask them, if I need them, you know, most of the people on this stage I’ve given to, just so you understand, a lot of money. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not me. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not me. (LAUGHTER) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you’re welcome to give me (INAUDIBLE) Donald if you’d like. TRUMP: Many of them. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, to be clear… (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: — he supported Charlie Crist. TRUMP: Not much. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Charlie… (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: But I… (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: — Donald, if you… (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: I have good… UNIDENTIFIED MALE: — this campaign, I hope you will give to me. TRUMP: Good. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. TRUMP: Sounds good. Sounds good to me, Governor. I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people, before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what did you get? TRUMP: And that’s a broken system. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you get from Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi? TRUMP: Well, I’ll tell you what, with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why? She didn’t have a choice because I gave. I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. I didn’t know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. It was. But… (BUZZER NOISE) (CROSSTALK) BAIER: Hold on. We’re going to — we’re going to move on. (CROSSTALK) BAIER: We’ll come back to you, Governor Walker. WALKER: Just one second on this, though. We — we spent a lot of time talking about Hillary Clinton and —and pitting us back and forth. Let’s be clear, we should be talking about Hillary Clinton on that last subject, because everywhere in the world that Hillary Clinton touched is more messed up today than before she and the president (INAUDIBLE). BAIER: We have many questions to come. WALKER: It’s true. BAIER: Many questions to come. (APPLAUSE)
I remember in Junior high school. This bully took on this nerdy looking kid. The nerdy lookin kid just kept punching him in the face. But the dumb ass bully ju just kept walking towards him and getting popped again. And again and again. Un Until his face was covered in blood. It was like he was getting his ass kicked bu but he was to stupid to know it. That is what you are doing to TC.
Trump isn't stupid enought to pick Rubio. If he did that I wouldn't vote for him.
You wouldn't vote for Trump because of his VP choice? You'd let Hillary or Biden win, just to prevent Rubio from being second banana for a term of Trump? Ok. I don't believe you. I think you'd take the chance on Trump's health.
If he did that I wouldn't vote for him. Rubio would be able to help deliver Florida plus hispanics, and some swooning ladies. He is the strongest GOPe candidate. As VP he could attend a lot of funerals all around the world. The VP has little function unless the president dies. If Trump falls out, Rubio could be the top of a ticket. It would be an interesting battle between Rubio and Bush as there can be only one. I would pick Rubio to prevail in that fight. Cruz is a good fit with Trump's message, and could deliver hispanics. I doubt the Dems could carry Texas if the GOP ran Alfred E. Neuman, so delivering Texas does not mean much. Cruz has the same negatives problem as Trump. Trump can do well in a crowded field, but unless he improves his favorability/unfavorability, when the field narrows, he may have difficulty attracting a majority or large plurality. 25% may win in a field of 17, but in a field of 4 or less it doesn't. It will also depend on who is on the other side and, more and more, it looks doubtful that will be Hillary. She has lost control of her server and her email nightmare. She has lost her lead in New Hampshire. And who would have thought Bernie Sanders would be filling stadiums with 20- to 30-thousand at a time?
The huge GOP field is part of why Trump has held these leads so long and through so many gaffes that would be fatal to any other candidate. This is why the smart money and the pros, like Bush and Walker and Rubio and their advisers, aren't panicked over Trump-in-August.
Wonder how long it will be before she realizes this?? Or will she hang around and just try to destroy her opposition with all the dirt she has on them?? When the dust settles and the smoke clears, the Republican nominee will be Bush, and the President will be Biden.
Or will she hang around and just try to destroy her opposition with all the dirt she has on them?? "Morpheus" Obama will give her the choice between the blue pill of prosecution and imprisonment for breaches of national security, or the red pill of stepping aside and endorsing Biden, in exchange for a full pardon after the election. She will take the red pill. There will be no drama. Also, the Clintons have been out of power for 15 years. Team Obama has been in power for 8. Team Obama is much more disciplined than the Arkansas Grifters were, and they have the CURRENT FBI and IRS files. Most of the "dirt" the Clinton's have has already passed the statute of limitations, and the powers that currently dominate the Democratic Party - Team Obama, not Team Clinton - will protect the Clintonites who come over to them, but will destroy the ones who fight for the Clintons. The Clintons are the past, and have not had their hands on current documents for a long time. Team Obama beat Team Clinton in a head to head fight in 2008, and has gotten stronger ever since. All they have left on the board now is the black Queen, and Obama is going to take her off the board without so much as a pawn sacrifice. The Clintons re done. Obama mortally wounded them in 2008, and now he will finish them off. Whether they go quietly into retirement, or fight and get dragged off in orange and in chains is up to Hillary. She submitted to the inevitable before, and she will do it again. It will be Biden. The best pick for Veep would be Sotomayor.
My guess is that 2-3 LFers on your "star" list will eventually understand the dynamics, stakes, and identity of the REAL enemy of the REAL battle here. Ouch! "When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan
Possibly. I doubt another Bush can be sold to the public. I find Rubio as a more likely alternative. Add Kasich as VP to deliver Ohio. All predicated on a Trump fall. Whether Trump goes 3rd party or not, anti-GOPe voters (think Trump,Carson,Cruz supporters, possibly Fiorina) will not vote for Bush. Many will just not vote. Biden/Warren might make a good ticket. It is a bit hard to ignore what Sanders is doing on the campaign trail. He is filling stadiums.
Even the red pill to prevent criminal prosecution will not stop the investigation of the compromise of TS/SCI information, and the potential loss of her security clearance.
But it does not explain the pygmy-like numbers of the GOPe candidates who trail not only Trump, but also Carson and Cruz. The politically active people at this stage of the campaigns, such as bloggers, are not listening to the scripted crap being mouthed by the GOPe candidates.
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“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#82. To: TooConservative (#77)
Like Perot
#83. To: A K A Stone (#80)
You have no clue.
#84. To: CZ82 (#81)
He has to learn to "Engage brain before engaging mouth" if he wants to have a chance...
#85. To: TooConservative (#77)
I keep wondering if Trump really is willing to do all the travel and do all the events expected of a presidential candidate. It's a pretty grueling schedule for over a year.
#86. To: sneakypete (#78)
Nope.
#87. To: TooConservative (#84)
Who knows what he thinks about it? No one
#88. To: TooConservative (#83)
As unfair as it is, you can't win IA or NH or SC just by flying in a few times on your private 757 and telling the press how lucky the voters are that you are willing to accept the nomination from the fine people of the state.
#89. To: TooConservative (#83)
Giuliani didn't fare so well either and was reduced to a Floriduh strategy but by then McCain had big momentum and deep party backing.
#90. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
Trump/Oprah is a brilliant ticket because it would certainly win.
#91. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
Trump/Oprah is a brilliant ticket because it would certainly win.
#92. To: TooConservative (#84)
He's lived in his little Donald Trump World in NYC for so long
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#93. To: A K A Stone (#91)
Oprah is a racist
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#94. To: Vicomte13 (#89)
Yes he did. And all of that immense effort, and spending money on political people to do very busy things, was all useless.
#95. To: CZ82 (#92)
Yea it's a place where everybody says "Yes sir" no matter what crap comes out of his mouth...
#96. To: TooConservative (#95)
Raising the non-campaign of Alf Landon was not just an idle remark.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#97. To: TooConservative (#95)
Trump has fizzled when it came to actual campaigning before.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#98. To: CZ82, Vicomte13, Pericles (#96)
Damn that was waaaaaayyy before my time...
Wilkie did at least do enough to somewhat revive the GOP after Landon's disastrous non-campaign in '36. Wendell Lewis Willkie (February 18, 1892 – October 8, 1944) was a corporate lawyer in the United States and a dark horse who became the Republican Party nominee for president in 1940. A member of the liberal wing of the party, he crusaded against those domestic policies of the New Deal that he thought were inefficient and anti-business. Willkie, an internationalist,[2] needed the votes of the large isolationist element, so he waffled on the bitterly debated issue of America's role in World War II, losing support from both sides. His opponent, incumbent President Franklin D. Roosevelt, won the 1940 election with 55% of the popular vote and 85% of the electoral vote.
#99. To: CZ82, sneakypete (#97)
He only went what 3-4 places last time before he mailed it in???
#100. To: TooConservative (#95)
You really notice how he refuses to appear on TV for interviews despite the fact that Trump Tower is only a few blocks from the major news studios. Instead, he won't leave his penthouse and travel a few blocks to appear like any other candidate engaging with the press in a normal campaign about issues.
#101. To: TooConservative (#0)
Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus
August 11, 2015
Marginals (PDF)
Tables (PDF) Poll: Trump Leads Iowa GOP Field but Shows Less Strength among Debate Viewers
#102. To: Pericles (#100)
#103. To: nolu chan (#101)
Poll: Trump Leads Iowa GOP Field but Shows Less Strength among Debate Viewers
#104. To: A K A Stone (#91)
He was joking when he said that.
#105. To: TooConservative (#98)
#106. To: Vicomte13 (#104)
Trump/Rubio is a real ticket that would unite the party and win the election, and then afterwards make the country better.
#107. To: TooConservative (#106)
#108. To: TooConservative (#103)
I focused on that earlier. If Trump won the debate, how did his support shrink among those who saw the debate and only remain steady with those who didn't see the debate. And that doesn't explain how much he got booed by the debate crowd after that first question. People blame Megyn Kelly for Trump's debate performance but Trump got booed steadily after that first question. Brett "Babyface" Baier was the one with the knife.
BAIER: Gentlemen, we know how much you love hand-raising questions. So we promise, this is the only one tonight: the only one. Is there anyone on stage, and can I see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person.
BAIER: Gentlemen, the next series of questions deals with ObamaCare and the role of the federal government.
#109. To: nolu chan (#101)
#110. To: Vicomte13 (#104)
Trump/Rubio is a real ticket that would unite the party and win the election, and then afterwards make the country better.
#111. To: TooConservative (#106)
#112. To: A K A Stone (#110)
#113. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#110)
Trump isn't stupid enought to pick Rubio.
#114. To: nolu chan (#113)
(Edited)
Trump can do well in a crowded field, but unless he improves his favorability/unfavorability, when the field narrows, he may have difficulty attracting a majority or large plurality.
#115. To: nolu chan (#113)
It will also depend on who is on the other side and, more and more, it looks doubtful that will be Hillary.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#116. To: nolu chan (#113)
It will also depend on who is on the other side and, more and more, it looks doubtful that will be Hillary.
#117. To: CZ82 (#115)
Wonder how long it will be before she realizes this??
#118. To: Liberator (#72)
Oy. And now you're giving out stars for the bulletin board?
#119. To: Vicomte13 (#116)
When the dust settles and the smoke clears, the Republican nominee will be Bush, and the President will be Biden.
#120. To: Vicomte13, CZ82 (#117)
"Morpheus" Obama will give her the choice between the blue pill of prosecution and imprisonment for breaches of national security, or the red pill of stepping aside and endorsing Biden, in exchange for a full pardon after the election.
#121. To: TooConservative (#114)
The huge GOP field is part of why Trump has held these leads so long and through so many gaffes that would be fatal to any other candidate.
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