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Title: Hillary Clinton May Go to Prison
Source: Breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... lary-clinton-may-go-to-prison/
Published: Aug 11, 2015
Author: Joel B. Pollak
Post Date: 2015-08-11 20:17:55 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 7810
Comments: 75

Hillary Clinton is going to prison–or would be, if she were an ordinary prison. The FBI has reportedly taken possession of the emails on her home computer server, according to U.S. officials cited by the Associated Press.

According to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), at least two of the emails contained “Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information.”

An ordinary person–or even a well-known leader like General David Petraeus–would be prosecuted for moving classified information onto a private system. And that is just the beginning of her legal problems.

Clinton not only allegedly exchanged classified information via private e-mail, but also destroyed her emails before handing them over to the State Department before the government could determine for itself which were personal and which were job-related. That could constitute a felony, with a three-year prison sentence attached. And that is just the beginning of what is known.

It is worth noting, too, that much of the information emerging on Hillary Clinton first emerged from three sources: the Benghazi select committee, which the left attempted to dismiss; the independent Judicial Watch organization, which submitted key Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests; and the thorough research of Peter Schweizer, who documented Clinton’s alleged conflicts of interests.

This time, the Clinton magic may not be able to save her. (1 image)

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#1. To: cranky (#0) (Edited)

This time, the Clinton magic may not be able to save her.

This time, the Clintons have given Obama the weapon by which he can destroy their power base for good and take over full control of the party.

Biden will be the nominee. Obama will pardon Hillary before he leaves office, but not before the Election.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-11   20:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13, cranky (#1)

I heard on Fox that the FBI has seized her server and the thumb drive.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   21:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: cranky (#0)

I am beginning to become all teary eyed about Clinton, now. BoooHooHoo, boohoohoo ... hip hip hooray!

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   21:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13, cranky (#2)

Just for info, I have been involved on the receiving side of missent SCI information. The authorities, for Hillary the FBI or DIA, show up in a hurry to track down anyone who could possibly have seen or learned of the information, and then get non-disclosure agreements signed by each and all of them. That is just for the innocent people with Top Secret clearances (but not SCI access authorization). In Hillary's case, as she took no effort to protect the stuff, but forwarded it without markings. It's a mess.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   21:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#4) (Edited)

In Hillary's case, as she took no effort to protect the stuff, but forwarded it without markings. It's a mess.

If it's maskirovka, it's a pretty bold one.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-11   21:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: cranky (#0)

Hillary Clinton is going to prison–or would be, if she were an ordinary prison.

Careful attention to detail, proofreading every line for accuracy...

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   21:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Biden will be the nominee. Obama will pardon Hillary before he leaves office, but not before the Election.

You should give us a trigger warning. Or at least cross your legs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   21:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Hillary had just handed in her Clintonized sworn declaration that she had turn3ed over all her email. “I have directed that all my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.”

Which does not speak to whatever might have once been, but are no longer, in her custody. And then the FBI scoops up her email server and thumb drive.

No text below due to NYT and WAPO source.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/us/politics/all-emails-were-provided-hillary-clinton-says-in-statement.html

All Emails Were Provided, Hillary Clinton Says in Statement

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
AUG. 10, 2015

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-lawyer-hands-over-private-e-mail-server-thumb-drive-to-fbi/2015/08/11/64681dc2-407c-11e5-8d45-d815146f81fa_story.html

Clinton’s attorney hands over private e-mail server, thumb drive to FBI

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   21:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: cranky (#0)

That could constitute a felony, with a three-year prison sentence attached.

For a military SCI comm worker that would likely mean an immediate loss of SCI access authorization and perhaps loss of all security clearance.

I wonder how they handle a loss of security clearance or SCI access for a presidential candidate, or a president in office.

I stress one more time that Hillary was personally the original classifying authority for the State Department and she was personally responsible for protecting the information.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   21:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: cranky (#0) (Edited)

" Hillary Clinton May Go to Prison "

I know there are people here that can do it, i would love to see her Photoshopped with a prison uniform on, LOL!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-11   21:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#10)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   21:45:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: cranky (#0)

The Hillary/CNN spin.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/index.html

Hillary Clinton to give her private email server to Justice

By Elise Labott, CNN

Updated 8:34 PM ET, Tue August 11, 2015

(CNN) Hillary Clinton has instructed her attorney to hand over her private email server and a thumb drive of all her work-related emails to the Justice Department in an effort to blunt an expanding probe into the use of a private email account.

[...]

Merril said in the meantime, Clinton's team "has worked with the State Department to ensure her emails are stored in a safe and secure manner."

Something tells me that the FBI was not asking.

I sure would like to know how Clinton's team has worked witi the State Department to ensure her mishandled SCI information is stored in a safe and secure manner. In the military, that stuff is pretty much limited to the brass and the spook community. The Navy facilities that handle it have Marine guards.

Virtually none of the TS cleared people would have had authorization to possess, store, or read it. Uncleared lawyer David Kendall would not be authorized. Ordinary TS material is mild by comparison.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   21:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#10)

I know there are people here that can do it, i would love to her Photoshopped with a prison uniform on, LOL!

I hope you know it's been done to death already.

That last one is from the charming 1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.blogspot.com.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   21:57:44 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#11)

Good one, Bucky. This server, flash drive stuff is just theatrics for the masses.

If she got elected to the office of NY Senator, she can get away with anything.

Just my observation and opinion.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-11   22:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#11)

Thanks Buckaroo

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-11   22:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#13)

" I hope you know it's been done to death already. "

No, I did not, but I guess I should have.

Thanks for your pictures.

Lets hope it becomes reality, but at this point in time, I doubt it will. She still has all of those FBI files to blackmail with.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-11   22:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

If she got elected to the office of NY Senator, she can get away with anything.

I fully agree about not only her Hindass corruption but the US government, as well, in all of this subterfuge. She is GODDAMNED TERRORIST.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   22:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

You can't pardon someone before they are convicted. At least I don't think you can.

Trump gets in and she will go to prison.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-11   22:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#12)

AoS was getting into the classification system.

UPDATE: FBI SEIZES HILLARY'S THUMB DRIVES
Top Secret Emails Found In Private Accounts Run Through Hillary's Private Servers

—Ace

This f'n' woman.

McClatchy reportts:

As pressure builds on Hillary Clinton to explain her official use of personal email while serving as secretary of state, she faced new complications Tuesday. It was disclosed her top aides are being drawn into a burgeoning federal inquiry and that two emails on her private account have been classified as “Top Secret.”

The inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified senior members of Congress that two of four classified emails discovered on the server Clinton maintained at her New York home contained material deemed to be in one of the highest security classifications -- more sensitive than previously known.

UPDATE: AP: FBI "TAKES POSSESSION" OF HILLARY'S SERVER, LAWYER'S THUMB DRIVE:

The media's silence on this will be spectacular.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A U.S. official says the FBI has taken possession of Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails, a few of which have been deemed to contain classified information.

The official is not authorized to be quoted by name and requested anonymity.


The official says the FBI recovered two thumb drives containing the emails from Clinton’s lawyer, David Kendall.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley says two of the emails, which traversed Clinton's insecure home email server, were deemed "Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information." That’s one of the government's highest classifications.

That is indeed one of the highest level of classification. I think the only higher levels are levels of classification you're not even permitted to know the names of.

This compartmentalized information is what is called Codeword Clearance, I think: You have to be cleared by a special codeword to see the information. That is, it's not just top secret; it's like top secret/GOLDEN TEMPLE, with "GOLDEN TEMPLE" being the codeword of the compartment of information.

You don't just need a Top Secret clearance to see it -- you have to be cleared specifically for GOLDEN TEMPLE information.

So this is either the highest level of classified information, or the highest we know about. (Daniel Moynihan spoke of there being a higher level he couldn't even mention in a 60 Minutes interview.)

Update: KG, who sounds like he knows what he's talking about, writes:

Compartmentalized means you have to be 'read in' to that particular information.. you sit in a SCIF [I believe this is a room where you can read the secret information, but are not permitted to take notes or remove it; this is the "skiff" you hear about Congressmen reading the TPP info in--ace] of some kind, someone who is cleared to handle the information hands it to you, you read through it and then sign some paper work. You then are 'cleared' to read material with that particular code word. So, in other words, just because you have a TOP SECRET clearance does not mean you have access to any and all TOP SECRET classified material. Most TOP SECRET material has one or several code words attached to it. That way, only the people with 'need-to-know' have access and it limits the vulnerability of the information.

Hillary better be prosecuted for this. If she isn't, it is maddening and, personally, I think the whole system collapses. How could you prosecute someone else for a lesser offense after letting Hillary go. She is in deep doo-doo and must've believed herself untouchable due to her 'Clinton' name. This is jail-worthy stuff.

Update: The articles confused me speaking of both "Hillary's server" and a "private email account."

I wrote the emails were in Hillary's private emails.

AllahPundit suggests otherwise: he says that the emails were on her servers, in private emails used by her aids and such, and thus, in a way, "her accounts," but not actually her accounts. Like one of her henchmen's accounts.

I will go with Allah's more cautious reading for now. I have corrected the headline and article to reflect this nuance.

More:


I believe, from Wikipedia, that SI/TK are sorts of SCI information, but I'm not sure.

Confirmed: Schindler says yes, SI and TK are specific codewords in the SCI classification system. As you can see, SI = Special Intelligence and refers to signals intelligence (radio, telephone intercepts); TK = Target Keyhole and refers to satellite intelligence.

"NOFORN" means "NO FOReign Nationals," i.e., US citizens only, no sharing with foreign counterparts.

Whoops! Guess that last one's out the window!



That last tweeted image was this juicy bombshell.



Is this the Betrayal Of Hitlery that Vic has prayed for, to be shortly followed by Biden entering the race?

Nolu, you really should call the IG's office with some questions at the number listed. I'll bet you have some doozies.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   22:25:37 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Trump gets in and she [Hillary] will go to prison.

How do you know? Did he tell you and you have evidence to present to us?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   22:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

You really underestimate the Clintons. They have dirt on everyone in DC. Look for some Dem Senators to after the Clintons only to have an equal amount of GOP senators to start backing off them.

That is called the Potomac two step.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   22:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nolu chan (#2)

I heard on Fox that the FBI has seized her server and the thumb drive.

I can only imagine what's on the thumb drive. Not to mention no classified anything is allowed on thumb drives now.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   22:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#4)

The authorities, for Hillary the FBI or DIA, show up in a hurry to track down anyone who could possibly have seen or learned of the information, and then get non-disclosure agreements signed by each and all of them. That is just for the innocent people with Top Secret clearances (but not SCI access authorization). In Hillary's case, as she took no effort to protect the stuff, but forwarded it without markings. It's a mess.

I guess the FBI will have to travel to Moscow and Beijing to get some signed:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   22:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

How do you know? Did he tell you and you have evidence to present to us?

My observation and understanding of the political scene is unmatched.

While you and so called experts were saying Trump would go nowhere and wouldn't even meet the requirements for the main debate. I told you different.

In other words I'm smarter then you are.

That is why you are on my site and I'm not on yours. :)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-11   22:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)

My observation and understanding of the political scene is unmatched.

Did you ever state that you voted for McCain as POTUS?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   22:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator, Vicomte13, tomder55, CZ82 (#9)

I wonder how they handle a loss of security clearance or SCI access for a presidential candidate, or a president in office.

About half the politicians in Washington DC would not qualify for TS SCI clearance if they held the same standard as they did for us.

You know the questions on foreign travel, foreign acquaintances, MONEY (read debt, foreclosures etc.) Not to mention sexual harassment, abuse, and assault.

Half the people in elected office would fail the NORMAL requirements. That's what makes this such a farce.

Just look at Obolo. It took him 4 years to produce a birth certificate and there are so many holes in his timeline from HS age to the 90s. Wonder who did the background check on him for his clearance?

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   22:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#11)

LOL buck that didn't take long to find:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   22:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter, Stoner (#27)

seconds actually. Stoner asked and I complied for cheap. :)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-11   22:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#18)

You can't pardon someone before they are convicted. At least I don't think you can.

Annoyingly, a president has broad discretion in pardons. Including pre-emptive pardons.

You recall that Ford gave a "full, free and unconditional pardon" to Nixon on 9/8/74. The classic case.

Wiki: List of people pardoned or granted clemency by the President of the United States

Obola's list is pretty short, meaning he is cooking up a real doozy of an outbound pardon. Mass mass pardons for illegals or for non-violent drug offenders. Something big. It would be consistent with his low character and craving for some durable achievement, anything really.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   22:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#18)

You can't pardon someone before they are convicted. At least I don't think you can.

Trump gets in and she will go to prison.

Yes you can. Ford pardoned Nixon before he was even indicted.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-11   22:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: redleghunter (#26)

It took him 4 years to produce a birth certificate and there are so many holes in his timeline from HS age to the 90s. Wonder who did the background check on him for his clearance?

Maybe it was Trump. You recall his yuge investigation with a posse of retired former deputies of Sheriff Joe, looking into that mysterious birth certificate.

If Oily Taitz is queen of the Birthers, then Trump is King of the Birthers.

Funny how some people seem to forget this stuff so quickly. They're like children.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   22:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TooConservative (#19)

I hope AoS moves their "virtual" location. They had some comments up there they should have never posted.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   23:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: redleghunter (#32)

I hope AoS moves their "virtual" location. They had some comments up there they should have never posted.

I didn't read their comments.

I also didn't read your comment about their comments and have no idea what you're talking about.

I know nothing. I really just mindlessly post this stuff without ever reading it at all. I am barely literate to begin with.

Finally: I...did not...have sex with that AoS server.

    : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#19)

[Article] The inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified senior members of Congress that two of four classified emails discovered on the server Clinton maintained at her New York home contained material deemed to be in one of the highest security classifications -- more sensitive than previously known.

There are only three classifications: Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.

A security clearance does not give access to anything. It only makes one eligible for a grant of access.

The responsible official can grant access authorization to subordinates on a need-to-know basis. According the to book, nobody has any level of access based on their position (except maybe the President?).

SCI is not a classification but a designator for Secret Compartmented Information. Indicators such as NOFORN (No Foreign Nationals) and LIMDIS (Limited Distribution) are caveats. Each limits access to the information. SCI is extremely limited outside of the intelligence community.

On that last 11 August 2015 Memo:

TOP SECRET/SI/TK/NOFORN

Top Secret, Special Intelligence, Talent Keyhole, No Foreign Nationals

Nolu, you really should call the IG's office with some questions at the number listed.

This is way above the IG. I don't want to get anywhere near this shitstorm.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   23:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#23)

I guess the FBI will have to travel to Moscow and Beijing to get some signed:)

Unlike the Petraeus compromise, this one is untrackable. Basically, everything must be assumed compromised due to hacking, and known compromised due to mishandling resulting in unauthorized distribution.

Sidney Blumenthal and his source may also have a problem.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   23:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#31)

Trump is King of the Birthers.

Funny how some people seem to forget this stuff so quickly. They're like children.

Forget? I didn't know. Now I like him better.

Obama was probably born in Kenya. He's a citizen by birth, probably, because of his mother, and therefore "natural born", but that issue should have been vetted by the public in the electoral cycle, but was instead squashed.

I'm glad that Trump did not let it go, if what you say is true. What a mensch!

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-11   23:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#29)

Essentially, the President's pardon power is plenary, i.e., without limit. Nixon was pardoned for any crimes he may have committed, without naming any.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   23:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu chan (#34)

This is way above the IG. I don't want to get anywhere near this shitstorm.

I think I wouldn't call that number either.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nolu chan, redleghunter (#34)

SCI is not a classification but a designator for Secret Compartmented Information.

Compartmentalization policy doesn't just concern who can read something, it also applies to allowed venues for transmission of info, where a person can read it, whether any copy can be made or any notes taken, requirements to present credentials at an authorized location to read it, etc. So there are various protocols that can be attached to compartmentalized info. One way to implement SCI is how they allowed the congressmen to read the TPP materials a few months ago. I recall that Rand Paul said he didn't have to sign documents when he read it but a couple of his staffers that read them with him did have to sign off. That was reading in a SCIF room in the Capitol. They have other SCIF rooms for the Intel and Defense committees in House and Senate. But SCI goes well beyond just secured reading rooms at the Capitol. It has wide scope across the government in diplomacy, the military, intel agencies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#32)

They had some comments up there they should have never posted.

I suspect you have zeroed in on SI AND TK, mainly TK. Keyhole is no longer a compartment. Talent Keyhole is an unclassified designator for a collection of other stuff.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   23:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nolu chan (#40)

So in your opinion is Obama taking out Hillary?

Or maybe they will just exhonerate her.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-11   23:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

Forget? I didn't know. Now I like him better.

Live it up with the King of the Birthers.

Trump immediately claimed credit, see 03:20.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: nolu chan (#40)

Just the discussion itself can give indicators.

It was clear to me what I could discuss in the facility and what could not be discussed outside. We made it a point to not use any indicators outside the facility.

I was also told when retiring what I could and could not put on a job resume.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-11   23:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

How in the world did you miss that Trump was a constitutionalist and didn't want a non natural born citizen to be President?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-11   23:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: cranky (#0)

Hillary Clinton is going to prison

Hopefully the bitch is gang assaulted and she hangs herself up.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-11   23:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nolu chan (#37)

Essentially, the President's pardon power is plenary, i.e., without limit. Nixon was pardoned for any crimes he may have committed, without naming any.

But is it? Can a president pardon himself? In perpetuity?

I'd be afraid to bring a case like that to the Supreme Court these days.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#45)

Hopefully the bitch is gang assaulted and she hangs herself up.

You've gone soft, man.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TooConservative (#47)

You've gone soft, man.

Shit, I'd give her an extra sheet and show her the prison way to do it.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-11   23:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

You have to admit, that first clip of Trump savaging Wolf Blitzer is side-splitting. I start giggling, just listening to him droning on. It's classic double-innuendo Trump. Blitzer sits there looking like someone put a grenade under his ass and pulled the pin.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   23:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#39)

Compartmentalization policy doesn't just concern who can read something, it also applies to allowed venues for transmission of info, where a person can read it, whether any copy can be made or any notes taken, requirements to present credentials at an authorized location to read it, etc.

Yes, the magic words access authorization is very limited. The SCI designator may be accompanied by other caveats or code words which further limit access authorization and restrict handling and storage.

After one look at the Guccifer hack, I was wondering how Hillary could possibly hope to maintain her story that she had not handled classified information on the home server, unless she were to say she never received what Blumenthal sent. That's difficult because she forwarded the stuff and a government investigation would certainly find evidence of that.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-11   23:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TooConservative (#46)

Can a president pardon himself? In perpetuity?

[H]e shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

I believe it would be considered implicit that his power did not extend to his own offenses. Close friends and associates whose trial might incriminate him are ok. Bush pardoned an indicted Weinberger preventing a trial. I just don't think SCOTUS would support a self-pardon.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-12   0:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#44)

How in the world did you miss that Trump was a constitutionalist and didn't want a non natural born citizen to be President?

Two reasons:

(1) I never paid attention to Trump as a politician before. He was an entertainer, not somebody whose political opinions I thought about.

(2) Obama was born of an American mother, and therefore, under the law when he ran for President, was natural born and eligible to be President no matter where he was born. I personally believe that he was born in Kenya, but that didn't make him not a natural born US citizen. Born a US citizen, you're natural born. I've heard the various arguments, but the only one that had any legal merit was the argument that when he was born his mother was not of an age sufficient to convey citizenship, if he were born in Kenya. Obviously if he was born in the USA, per the 14th Amendment he is a natural born citizen regardless of who his parents were, unless they were diplomats with immunity (which they weren't).

So to me the interesting legal issue is whether or not the later change to the law, which would make him natural born because his mother was American (assuming he was born in Kenya), would retroactively apply to 1961.

If Obama were born in Hawaii, he's natural born. If Obama were born in Kenya to an American mother in 2008, he was natural born. But if Obama were born in Kenya to an American mother in 1961 he was NOT natural born under the laws of the time.

So to my eyes it was always a narrow legal question that the court would need to decide: does a change in the citizenship law apply retroactively for the purpose of determining natural born citizenship for Presidential eligibility purposes?

The Supreme Court has never answered that question, nor ever come particularly close. They both have and have not applied laws retroactively. So what they would say, if they ever accepted a case, was a jump ball. That's interesting.

My own read would be MAYBE NOT. Maybe he wasn't natural born (if he were born in Kenya) because he wasn't born a citizen under the laws at the time of his birth. But I could just as easily see the Court deciding it the other way.

The other arguments, about having to have both parents born citizens, or being born on US soil, or whatever, are just silly, with no legal foundation, so I never paid attention to them.

I was interested in the degree to which Obama was able to successfully cover up the issue, and to issue a patently false Hawaiian document. The degree of naked, open, brazen fraud was so stunning that it was obvious that he was probably born in Kenya, just like he always said before when he was younger. (Of course HE wouldn't remember either way.)

The issue should have been focused upon and politically vetted during the Democrat primary, but it was not. That was interesting. It showed, again, the degree to which extremely powerful people were backing Obama. That he was able to pull it off was educational.

But it was what it was, and McCain didn't raise the issue during the election. Hillary didn't. The proper time, place and manner for that was during the election fight. After the election, there was too much power arrayed with the President, so it just became a sort of theoretical. I knew nothing was going to be done about it, so I stopped focusing on it.

To find out that Trump was pushing the issue is delightful.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   0:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#49)

You have to admit, that first clip of Trump savaging Wolf Blitzer is side-splitting. I start giggling, just listening to him droning on. It's classic double-innuendo Trump. Blitzer sits there looking like someone put a grenade under his ass and pulled the pin.

All that loaded on my machine were Tom Cruise videos.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   0:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: TooConservative (#49)

I just saw it. The united front the media and the powerful form was on display there, and now with Trump running for President. It's why it is so important that he win, so that he can use power, and his well known habit of not letting people get away with that crap, to bring them to heel once he's President.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   0:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Vicomte13 (#53)

All that loaded on my machine were Tom Cruise videos. ... I just saw it. The united front the media and the powerful form was on display there, and now with Trump running for President.

So you did see the two Trump birther vids after all?

It may be howlingly funny to watch but it is not presidential stuff. One of the funny bits that Trump loves is just calling in to these news shows by phone, forcing the host to sit there looking like a grinning tool while Donald drones on and on, saying any crap that floats through his head.

Apparently, you entirely missed this entire episode of Trumporama. They refer to Trump's investigators. Trump started this off by saying he was going to hire investigators to get that long-form BC. Then he hooked up with Sheriff Joe who provided him with a posse of Arpaio's top retired deputies. Top men, of course. That's who they mean why they refer to Trump's investigators.

The whole thing was ridiculous but it seems that the Taitz Birthers harped about it long enough that Trump's entry finally got the WH to release the Obama BC. Or the Photoshop forgery of the Obama BC, depending on who you ask.

Don't worry. I'm sure the upcoming debates and interviews will revisit The Donald and The Birth Certificate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   0:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: TooConservative (#42)

First video...HILARIOUS!

LOL Trump goes for Wolf's throat with the poor ratings jab. That really made Blitzer turn three shades of purple:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-12   0:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: TooConservative (#55)

Maybe a Trump-Whoopie Goldberg Lincoln-Douglas debate is in order. I would watch it on pay per view.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-12   0:49:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TooConservative (#55)

It may be howlingly funny to watch but it is not presidential stuff.

I think it is. The President I have in mind is Andrew Jackson. I like Andrew Jackson's attitude.

I like Andrew Johnson a lot too - his attitude saved the Constitution. He broke the law and saved the Constitution.

The people who are "Presidential" are eunuchs and bought men. They have delivered us into disaster.

I like Sarah Palin because she was not that. I like Trump for the same reason.

And so do millions of others.

Right now, there's somebody who will cause me to vote Republican. In fact, if Donald is the nominee and asks me to vote for the local Republicans to give him power, to do what he can do, I may even do that, for once, to give him the chance.

I'll want to see him hung up by his entrails if he betrays me. But he's not going to betray me. I can tell.

Trump fights. He can win. And with power, he will change some things. Not everything, but some things. And he will drive some people mental. And that will make me happy.

Trump makes me happy with politics for the first time since…well…since we'd won the Cold War and Bush hadn't raised taxes yet.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   1:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: TooConservative (#55)

So you did see the two Trump birther vids after all?

Only small parts. The whole birthed business doesn't interest me much.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   1:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: redleghunter (#56)

First video...HILARIOUS!

LOL Trump goes for Wolf's throat with the poor ratings jab. That really made Blitzer turn three shades of purple:)

Come on. It's sheer torture. I think that interview violated the Geneva Conventions.

And the way Trump forces Blitzer to sit there with that little shit-eating grin as Trump insults him and forces him to talk about Obama's birth certificate. Notice how Blitzer is trying to remind Trump they have a long relationship ("Nice doggie...nice doggie...")...do you seriously expect this country to put up with 4-8 years of that?

Trump pulled 2 no-show phone interviews with CNN and one of the other networks just this weekend. And they agree just to get him on the air, knowing he can humiliate them at will.

You realize, no doubt, this is why he marries these foreign women. The marriages generally last until they learn to understand English conversationally and finally realize what Trump is saying to them.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   1:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13 (#58)

I think it is. The President I have in mind is Andrew Jackson. I like Andrew Jackson's attitude.

Andrew Jackson was always up for a caning. Especially if you shot him, supposedly.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   1:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#19)

Intel IG Memo of 11 August 2015:

The document page as shown is incomplete. The UNCLASSIFIED upon removal of attachments documentation is at the bottom of page 1 and the DISTRIBUTION is on page 2.

I suppose the intelligence agency did not have to divulge the level and category of information that had been divulged, and TOP SECRET//SI/TK//NOFORN say a lot to some, but then I suppose the administration did not have to grant parole to Jonathan Pollard at the minimum mandatory time either. The link for the document goes to the account of Senator Chuck Grassley.

Complete document here

At the bottom of page 1:

Classified By: 2361481
Derived From: CIA SCG dated 20060531, NGA SCG dated 20080924, ODNI SEC S-14
Declassify On: 20401231
Upon removal of attachments, this document is UNCLASSIFIED

TOP SECRET//SI/TK//NOFORN

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-12   2:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: TooConservative, Redleghunter (#19)

Is this the Betrayal Of Hitlery that Vic has prayed for, to be shortly followed by Biden entering the race?

absolutely ! It's never a good sign when the FBI is seizing property from you. General Petraeus was indicted for much less than what they've ALREADY found on Evita's email server .

This tells me that the emperor is ready to throw Evita under the bus . But when push comes to shove ;will she remain silent about what she knows about the White House involvement in Benghazi ?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-12   6:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: redleghunter (#26)

Wonder who did the background check on him for his clearance?

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-12   6:54:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: tomder55 (#63) (Edited)

This tells me that the emperor is ready to throw Evita under the bus . But when push comes to shove ;will she remain silent about what she knows about the White House involvement in Benghazi ?

It may be that Obama planned all along to made Hitlery the patsy for all of his foreign policy disasters. Once the Xlintons know that that is his intention, they'll suddenly decide they want to spend more time with their family or develop some medical problem. Then Bammy can soft-pedal the server scandal, have DoJ sanitize the evidence, and issue a pardon before he leaves office.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   8:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: tomder55 (#63)

This tells me that the emperor is ready to throw Evita under the bus . But when push comes to shove ;will she remain silent about what she knows about the White House involvement in Benghazi ?

SHE was the Secretary of State. Foreign policy was her bailiwick. Sure, the buck stops with the President, but he's not running for office. She is. And if the Sec State withholds information from the President and doesn't give him the full picture, he can't very well make good decisions And Biden had nothing to do with any of it.

Also, if she goes after Barack Obama, TODAY he controls the Attorney General that will prosecute her and perhaps literally put her in jail, or not. And HE ALONE holds the pardon pen that can let her off the hook if she goes quietly.

He's going to strip her of her Presidential bid using this investigation, and then pardon her at the end, after Biden wins the election (which will happen if the GOP doesn't nominate Trump).

But if she goes after him, he will nail her to the wall and not pardon her.

Obama has all the cards, and Hillary will fall in line or wear orange.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   8:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Vicomte13 (#66)

" Obama has all the cards, and Hillary will fall in line or wear orange. "

OR, she could wear a pine box.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   9:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: cranky (#0)

" Hillary Clinton May Go to Prison "

Lets hope so!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   9:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Stoner (#68)

" Hillary Clinton May Go to Prison "

When pigs fly.

Prisons - like laws - are for the "little people", not the Xlintons

One of the benefits of being in the ruling class is that you never face prison.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-12   9:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: redleghunter (#21)

You really underestimate the Clintons.

Obama beat them. And he is in office with all of the most current records and information, and he has a band of loyalists around him as fierce as the Clinton loyalists, with greater power, greater intelligence, and more discipline.

Team Clinton and Team Obama fought for power in 2008. Team Obama won. They have had eight years to wrest control of the party and the levers of power - and to collect all of the secret information that the Clintons' did.

Team Obama is composed of Ivy Leaguers, who are more intelligent than Team Clinton's team of Southern grifters.

In the battle of wits Obama has won every time, and his team has won every time.

Team Clinton was looking to step forward and reclaim power and control in the Democrat Party. Obama is taking them out for good by striking directly at the queen. HE controls the Attorney General, the FBI, the IRS. And he is a lot more personally disciplined than either of the Clintons.

I do not forget that the Clintons have dirt on everybody in DC, but that dirt is useless if no official will investigate it - and none will because Obama controls the investigative agencies - and nobody will prosecute it - and nobody will because Obama controls the Department of Justice - and Obama and his more intelligent and disciplined team have had 8 years to get all of the dirt on the Clintons and their cronies.

And with Hillary under investigation and Biden about to step up, it will be clear to Democrats across the country - and to those Clinton cronies - that Team Obama is going to be in command of the country for another eight years. By taking out their Queen, Hillary herself, nakedly and directly, Obama is telling each Clinton crony that he can take HER out, and therefore he can - and WILL - take any one of THEM out if they don't stay in line.

They will retreat and submit, just exactly as they did in 2008.

Obama will win, because he is, in fact, much smarter, much stronger, much more disciplined, and has a much more loyal and careful team than the Arkansas grifters.

I'm not underestimating the Clintons at all. I know how important it is that they not get power back. But you really underestimate Obama. He has beaten the Clintons every time, and he knows how important it is that they never get power over him.

Obama is going to take down Hillary and install his heir in the White House, and with that, the Clintons' political power will be broken. The Democrat Party will be an Obama-controlled party, not a Clinton-controlled party.

Obama is the gold lion. Clinton is the red lion. They have fought for power twice. There will not be a third fight.

Cue the Rains of Castamere.

"'And who are you,' the proud lord said, 'that I should bow so low? Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red a lion still has claws. And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours.'

And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere. But now the rains weep o'er his hall with no one there to hear. Yes, now the rains weep o'er his hall, but not a soul to hear."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   10:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Vicomte13 (#70)

Cue the Rains of Castamere.

GoT has rotten your brain:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-12   17:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: redleghunter (#71)

GoT has rotten your brain:)

Blood and Fire.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   18:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Vicomte13 (#72)

Winter is coming.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   7:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: redleghunter (#73)

Winter is coming.

It always is. Fire melts snow.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   8:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Vicomte13 (#74)

It always is. Fire melts snow.

But never Jon Snow:)

I read most of the books. One of the most interesting characters is the Onion Knight:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   9:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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