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Title: Insiders warn Jeb: Don't engage with Trump ["don't wrestle with a pig"]
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/ ... -engage-with-trump-120845.html
Published: Jul 31, 2015
Author: Katie Glueck
Post Date: 2015-07-31 08:33:44 by Tooconservative
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When Jeb Bush and Donald Trump share a debate stage next week, Bush needs to ignore the real estate mogul at all costs —and if that fails, laugh him off.

That’s the advice given by more than half of the POLITICO Caucus, our weekly, bipartisan survey of the top activists, operatives and strategists in Iowa and New Hampshire.

“The old maxim applies: Never wrestle with a pig,” counseled a New Hampshire Republican. “You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”

At the first GOP primary debate, slated for Aug. 6 in Cleveland, Bush and eight other Republicans will share the stage with Trump, the bombastic businessman who is leading the Republican field in recent polls and dominating headlines. Trump has been critical of a host of other GOP candidates, but he is an especially sharp and persistent critic of Bush — even attacking Bush in his own announcement for president.

But insiders have a message for the former Florida governor: do not engage. Many Republicans expect Trump will zero in on Bush in the debate — and how Bush responds could go a long way toward shaping perceptions about his cool under fire. Bush has not tussled as frequently or as heatedly with Trump as other GOP candidates have, and several insiders advised that the longer the focus is on Trump’s battles with the others, the better it is for Bush to quietly consolidate support while others struggle to break through.

“With Trump being Trump he will be the news of the debate 24/7 and no one else will break through,” a New Hampshire Republican said. “This helps Bush by keeping anyone else down in the pack.”

“Donald Who? Allow others to seek media attention with attacks on Trump. Bush needs to be above the fray, because, frankly, he IS above the fray,” said a New Hampshire Democrat, who like all participants was granted anonymity in order to speak freely.

Most early-state Republicans expect Bush to emerge as the victor in the first GOP primary debate next week; he had the highest overall expectations for any one candidate competing in the nationally televised, prime-time event according to the survey. But they expect him to succeed by demonstrating seriousness and a command of the issues onstage — not by taking on Trump.

“Jeb Bush needs to introduce himself as a serious leader for serious times to a large and curious audience,” said an Iowa Republican. “I hope he stands next to Trump on stage. The comparison in knowledge, depth, and quality will be apparent in the first 15 minutes.”

“He should avoid a food fight and be an adult but not a push-over,” said a New Hampshire Republican.

That may be easier said than done, warned some Caucus participants.

“[He] needs to not get ruffled which will be hard to do because Trump doesn’t just throw punches, he throws grenades,” a New Hampshire Democrat said.

But the best way to handle Trump broadsides, advised several insiders, is to disarm him —and the audience —with humor.

“He needs to punch Donald Trump in the nose, but do it with a smile on his face,” an Iowa Democrat said. “He should be funny and confident, but do everything he can to poke holes in his gasbag facade.”

Several added that other presidential contenders, in particular Ronald Reagan, showed a talent for defusing tense debate situations with a lighter touch.

“They all need to remember that Reagan’s classic “there you go again” line [to Jimmy Carter] was delivered not with a snarl and a smirk but rather with a smile and a shrug,” a New Hampshire Republican said.

But if GOP insiders have the highest expectations for Bush, they also believe that, after Trump, he has the most to prove. And a third of Democratic insiders also say Bush has the most to prove, followed by Trump with 21 percent.

“Jeb Bush is still the perceived yet relatively untested front-runner,” said a New Hampshire Republican. “With everyone questioning his fire in the belly for the job, he needs a strong performance before another cycle of ‘can he go the distance’ stories kick in.”

“He is the true front-runner,” an Iowa Republican said. “A lot of folks will be looking at him to see if he can break away from the pack and be the leader of the party.”

Among both Iowa and New Hampshire Republicans, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker came in third on the list of candidates who have the most to prove at the first debate. Walker leads the polls in Iowa, but critics have questioned whether his grasp of policy is enough for the national stage.

“As the Iowa front-runner and legitimate first tier candidate, Scott Walker will get his first real turn on the big stage,” an Iowa Republican said. “To date, he’s turned in uneven performances on substance. His speeches are largely canned, memorized talking points. His shifting positions on issues create huge potential land mines with the base. Several candidates put Iowa in the must-win column, and for them, he’ll be a prime target.”

“Trump is probably gonna Trump, so nothing to prove there. Bush is probably experienced enough that he doesn’t really have that much to prove. I picked Walker because he’s considered a top tier candidate, and leader in Iowa, so he needs to prove he’s able to handle himself and the questions in on a national stage,” a nonpartisan Iowan said.

Twenty-one percent of Democrats said Walker has the most to prove, tied with Trump.

“Walker needs to prove he belongs,” a New Hampshire Democrat said.


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I'd bet that Bush is doing debate drill at least 8 hours a day, that every habitual turn of phrase by Trump is analyzed and counter-punchlines being written for Bush to deliver. Trump runs his mouth non-stop and is quite repetitive in his phrasing, guaranteeing that Bush (and others) can land some punches on him easily. Trump being too cheap to hire top campaign help just makes it easier for the sleazier professional pols to make headway at his expense.

No doubt, the other GOP candidates are doing much the same as Bush in preparing to take on Trump.

Bush's team may see Trump as the clown that will distract the populists from any other choice until Bush can overcome the rest of them with his vast campaign warchest. Bush has $108 million total, compared with Romney's $12 million warchest at this point in 2011. That warchest is intended to bury all comers, including Trump, in the expensive Florida media market.Subscribe to *2016 The Likely Suspects*

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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)

I'd bet that Bush is doing debate drill at least 8 hours a day, that every habitual turn of phrase by Trump is analyzed and counter-punchlines being written for Bush to deliver.

That's not a bet I would take. You can believe the Bush Crime Family has even hires psychologists to analyze smiles and body language. After all,this is the family business and there are potentially billions of dollars in graft at stake.

Trump runs his mouth non-stop and is quite repetitive in his phrasing,guaranteeing that Bush (and others) can land some punches on him easily.

People keep jumping me on this,but the truth is Trump isn't very smart. They seem to think that inheriting over 200 million dollars and over 15,000 pieces of rental property in NYC make him a geniu,while ignoring that if that were true,the Kennedy Klan would all be geniuses.

guaranteeing that Bush (and others) can land some punches on him easily.

Mr Ego isn't worried about that. He may be the most conceited man to ever run for public office,and that's saying a LOT. Typical NYC denizen,loud mouth,no manners,and pushy because he thinks he's personally tough. In his case he still harbors this delusion because he has spent his entire life surrounded by armed bodyguards and living in his comfortable little shell.

IF JEB had any balls,he could easily destroy Trump by getting right up in his face and accusing him of being a liar,and then threatening to kick his ass. None of Trumps armed bodyguards will be up on the stage,and he would probably piss his pants in fear and become the laughing stock he deserves to be. Of course,JEB is as big a nutless weasel as Trump is,so they would both probably just stamp their little feets and sissy slap at each other

BTW,I don't hesitate to admit that I would pay cash money to witness that.

Trump being too cheap to hire top campaign help just makes it easier for the sleazier professional pols to make headway at his expense.

I disagree here. There is no amount of money that is too much to spend if he thought it would puff up his image. He really does think he is a genius and tough guy. Nobody believes his "legend" more than the man that paid out big bucks to create it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-31   17:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

That's not a bet I would take. You can believe the Bush Crime Family has even hires psychologists to analyze smiles and body language. After all,this is the family business and there are potentially billions of dollars in graft at stake.

And every dirty trickster in the GOP consultant legion. Of course, Romney did the same (to prevent his 2012 rivals from hiring them) but Romney never really used them the way Karl Rove would have. Like he did against McStain in 2000 in South Carolina which finished off the Stain entirely.

People keep jumping me on this,but the truth is Trump isn't very smart.

Trump is smart enough but he is repetitive and relies on bombast and his usual media immunity to crash through any outrage his remarks generate. He doesn't care that much if you love him or hate him as long as you spell his name right in the papers. Typical New York self-promoter and expert at playing the media.

But Trump is now trying to play in the big leagues and has an array of opponents willing and eager to torpedo him, much more so than libmedia is.

F JEB had any balls,he could easily destroy Trump by getting right up in his face and accusing him of being a liar,and then threatening to kick his ass.

Bush's team will focus on handling Trump like a pro, making him look small. Or just ignoring Trump altogether to wait for him to implode. Or wait for Trump to repeat one or more of his attacks on Bush, his wife, Mexican rapists, etc. Trump will have to confront his earlier words because the moderators will drag it out or one of his opponents will. It's guaranteed and this is one reason Donald "The Mouth" has suddenly started sounding more reasonable lately. Someone has informed him of how he'll get skewered in this upcoming debate when he has to answer these guys face to face for what he's accused them of. Even Trump must have some kind of campaign pros to tell him how this will work in practice, maybe walk him through a debate to show him how they'll try to take him apart on national TV and make him look like a complete fool. And that is the one thing Trump cannot stand.

I disagree here. There is no amount of money that is too much to spend if he thought it would puff up his image.

I think that, for all Trump's bragging and likely inflation of his estimated net worth, that he doesn't just have $10 billion in liquid assets. IOW, if he sold out, he wouldn't have $10 billion. And I think Trump is likely to be as tight with his money as Perot was. Perot told everyone he wouldn't take donations, would spend his vast fortune to represent We The People and it ended up he spent about $50 million total. Trump may spend no more than that before Florida, considering how much free media he is getting. And whether Trump will stay in the race, or even in the GOP nomination race, past Iowa is an open question.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-31   18:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

I think that, for all Trump's bragging and likely inflation of his estimated net worth, that he doesn't just have $10 billion in liquid assets.

I caught part of a report on tee bee a few days ago where some financial magazine or organization had analyzed what Trump owns,and came to the conclusion he has a net worth of slightly more than $2 Billion.

Not exactly chump change,but far from the $10 billion he claims.

I think Trump is one of those people whose natural reaction is to always tell a lie,even when the truth would serve him better.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-31   18:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

I think Trump is one of those people whose natural reaction is to always tell a lie,even when the truth would serve him better.

No, the constant media frenzy with him dangling red meat to libmedia on a regular basis is all part of his M.O. It is a necessary component of the Trump Traveling Medicine Show.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-31   18:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

No, the constant media frenzy with him dangling red meat to libmedia on a regular basis is all part of his M.O. It is a necessary component of the Trump Traveling Medicine Show.

Are you seriously trying to claim you believe this life-long trust fund denizen of NYC and life-long Dim until recently is actually a conservative,and that even he believes a third of the crap he spouts?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-31   19:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

life-long Dim

Not lifelong. For some years, he was a Republican. Then he kept switching to indy party and others. He became a Dem around 2000 and stayed there until after the 2008 election in which he claimed to have voted for McStain (but had been very vocal about why Hitlery really deserved to be Obola's VP). After the 2009 inauguration, he did finally register as a Republican again and has remained one since. Of course, now he's threatening to run indy too.

Trump is no more Republican (or conservative) than Bloomberg was running as a "Republican" mayor of NYC. These guys just use NYC's hollow Republican party as their springboard for ballot access.

What baffles me is that Giuliani was considered to be too liberal but Trump is just right? Giuliani, on any measure and across the board, was more conservative than Trump. Yet he was rejected. Now we have this unprepared blowhard and serial bankrupt soaring to the top of the Flavor of the Week sweepstakes for the conservative ignorati.

You may as well get used to Prez Hitlery. We haven't reached the Pied Piper phase of the 2016 election where Trump pulls a full Perot to lead his rats away from fair Hamlin, never to be heard from again.

At times like this, you start to think that many base voters on the Right are as profoundly ignorant as the Left generally is.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-31   20:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#6) (Edited)

What baffles me is that Giuliani was considered to be too liberal but Trump is just right?

You ain't the only one. By NYC standards,Giuliani was a radical right-winger.

You may as well get used to Prez Hitlery.

I think that less likely with each passing day. It seems to me that a powerful faction in the DNC is working behind the scenes to torpedo her campaign. Even the Dims don't trust her.

At times like this, you start to think that many base voters on the Right are as profoundly ignorant as the Left generally is.

I've thought that ever since that evil bastard Poppy Bush was elected. It's the only possible explanation.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-31   20:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7)

I've thought that ever since that evil bastard Poppy Bush was elected. It's the only possible explanation.

Miserable as the usual GOP nominees have been, Trump is another league. On another planet.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-31   21:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

Insiders warn Jeb: Don't engage with Trump "don't wrestle with a pig"

Suppose that after it is all over and done with, Bush turns out to be the pig?

Outside of having the name Bush, I can't think of a thing that that family has done to recommend them.

rlk  posted on  2015-07-31   21:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#1)

" He may be the most conceited man to ever run for public office "

No Pete, Ovomit has him beat in that department.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-01   13:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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