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Title: In rebuke to EU, Greece appears to decisively reject bailout terms
Source: LA Tmes
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/world/europe ... referendum-20150705-story.html
Published: Jul 5, 2015
Author: Henry Chu
Post Date: 2015-07-05 15:49:25 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 991
Comments: 17

Greece looked set Sunday to enter an even more volatile phase of its financial crisis as official projections forecast a resounding win for the “no” campaign in a referendum that could decide the country’s financial fate in the short term and its role in Europe in the long term..

The vote, on a proposed bailout deal from Athens’ international lenders, was a strong rebuke to European Union leaders who had warned that the plebiscite was, in effect, a vote on whether Greece wanted to keep on using the euro as its currency.

With 57% of precincts reporting at 10:15 p.m. local time (12:15 p.m. PDT), the “no” camp was ahead by 61% to 39%, according to the Greek Ministry of Interior.

As the scale of the “no” victory becomes clear, the question immediately shifts to whether, and how quickly, Greece’s European partners are prepared to resume negotiations with Athens. Relations between the two sides have deteriorated badly over the last few weeks, especially after Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras broke off talks at the end of June and called Sunday’s snap poll on bailout proposals that have technically since expired.

Perhaps even more pressing will be the reaction of the European Central Bank, which has been propping up the Greek banking system for months with emergency funding. If the ECB decides at a meeting Monday to end that support, Greece’s banks will quickly run out of cash, business will grind to a halt and basic supplies could start to dwindle on store shelves.

The Greek government is also nearly out of cash. If it cannot pay its debts – a major repayment is due July 20 – Athens could be forced to introduce a parallel currency and eventually leave the Eurozone. However, analysts said this was not an immediate threat.

The leaders of Germany and France are to meet in Paris on Monday evening to discuss the crisis. Both had warned Greeks before the referendum that the poll was, in effect, a vote on whether Greece wanted to remain in the Eurozone.

The size of the projected victory for the “no” campaign came as something of a surprise after a flurry of opinion polls showed an almost dead heat. A number of voters were undecided, however, and could have made the difference.

Surveys showed that young people voted “no” in droves. Many said they agreed with Tsipras’ contention that the bailout proposals from Greece’s lenders imposed too much austerity after five years of already heavy spending cuts. The Greek economy has contracted by a breathtaking 25% since Athens began accepting emergency aid and implementing austerity measures since 2010.

“These measures would worsen the situation,” said teacher Paula Andriotaki, 33.

But Eurozone leaders have scoffed at that idea and said that a new agreement could be even more difficult now that Greece's financial situation has worsened further.

“Yes” supporters urged Greeks to join them in order to guarantee Greece’s continued place among the 19 nations that use the euro. They said that membership in the wider European Union could also be at risk and that Greece cannot afford to be isolated.

The ballot itself was the subject of some criticism, because the question it asks is wordy and couched in jargon.

Moreover, the bailout deal it referred to was already technically moot. The offer from Greece’s creditors expired Tuesday night, after talks between them and Athens collapsed last week over Tsipras’ surprise decision to call the referendum. Creditors say that negotiations on a new agreement would have to start from scratch.

Because of the convoluted ballot question, and the competing claims of whether the real issue at stake is the future of Greece as a member of the Eurozone, many Greeks complained of confusion over just what was being asked of them.

Maria Liapi, who helped campaign for the “no” side, said she wanted to reject a bailout agreement that would bring more hardship to Greece, whose economy has already contracted by more than 25% since the country first began accepting rescue loans in 2010 and implementing harsh austerity cuts in return.

But Loukia Mitsi, 40, an unemployed teacher and mother of three, said she would vote “yes” because Greece needed to stick with the euro and not be forced to revert to its old currency, the drachma.

“My life got better with the euro,” Mitsi said. “I want a European solution that is good for Greece. I want a better future, and we won’t have that if we go to the drachma.”

About 10 million voters were eligible to cast ballots in Sunday's referendum, Greece’s first in 41 years. In 1974, the people were asked to decide whether their country should retain the monarchy; the answer then was also no.

Special correspondent Pavlos Zafiropoulos contributed to this report.


Fuck off EU.

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#1. To: buckeroo, All (#0)

With 57% of precincts reporting at 10:15 p.m. local time (12:15 p.m. PDT), the “no” camp was ahead by 61% to 39%, according to the Greek Ministry of Interior.

This is happening at the same exact time as the Greek government asked theEU for more money. What balls, eh? FU but give me more money that we will not pay back.

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-05   16:01:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SOSO (#1)

Wasn't the outcome of "poor bastard children" a predictable outcome about ANY attempt to unify various nations into a single regional arrangement uch as the EU?

Of course, the US attempts a regional arrangement as well. YOU, the US tax payer shall be stuck with the bill.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-05   16:05:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#2)

YOU, the US tax payer shall be stuck with the bill.

Not true, they will pass the savings on to us.

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-05   16:10:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SOSO, buckeroo (#3)

Most Republican red states would be like Greece if the USA had the same currency policy as the EU. In the USA, the wealthy states redistribute the wealth back to poor, mostly southern and western states from taxes. The Euro works as a loan dept. If your nation's debt is at a certain percentage you can borrow money from the EU at low interest. That is how it was designed to work in the EU but that system is a failure - it has hurt all economies using the euro except maybe the German one because she is an export economy and that allows them to borrow cheaply from the euro central bank because she runs a surplus. She uses that surplus to loan money to other EU nations so they can buy more German goods, etc.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-05   21:53:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pericles, SOSO, buckeroo (#9)

Most Republican red states would be like Greece if the USA had the same currency policy as the EU. In the USA, the wealthy states redistribute the wealth back to poor, mostly southern and western states from taxes.

Bankruptcy is not determined by income, but by what a state spends in relation to income. It appears northern states and CA, primarily Democratic controlled states, have been bankrupting themselves just fine.

http://mercatus.org/publication/state-fiscal-condition-ranking-50-states

According to a Mercatus Study, January 2014, the states ranked in order of the worst fiscal condition are:

1. New Jersey
2. Connecticut
3. Illinois
4. Massachusetts
5. California

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Arnett_StateFiscalCondition_v1.pdf

The Mercatus Study (full paper)

The paper is from January 2014.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/01/21/is-your-state-solvent/

An article about a Mercatus Study is in WaPo.

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http://dailybail.com/slideshows/states-most-likely-to-go-bankrupt/7996733

1. Illinois
2. California
3. Michigan
4. New Jersey
5. Nevada
6. New York
7. Rhode Island
8. Massachusetts
9. Ohio
10. Florida

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/32-states-now-officially-bankrupt-378-billion-borrowed-treasury-fund-unemployment-ca-mi-ny-w

32 States Now Officially Bankrupt: $37.8 Billion Borrowed From Treasury To Fund Unemployment; CA, MI, NY Worst

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/21/2010 19:46 -0400

Courtesy of Economic Policy Journal we now know that the majority of American states are currently insolvent, and that the US Treasury has been conducting a shadow bailout of at least 32 US states. Over 60% of Americans receiving state unemployment benefits are getting these directly from the US government, as 32 states have now borrowed $37.8 billion from Uncle Sam to fund unemployment insurance. The states in most dire condition, are, not unexpectedly, the unholy trifecta of California ($6.9 billion borrowed), Michigan ($3.9 billion), and New York ($3.2 billion). With this form of shadow bailout occurring, one can only wonder how many other shadow programs are currently in operation to fund states under the table with federal money.The full list of America's 32 insolvent states is below, sorted in order of bankruptedness.

1. California $6,900
2. Michigan 3,900
3. New York 3,200 4. Penn. 3,000
5. Ohio 2,300 6. Illinois 2,200
7. N.C. 2,100
8. Indiana 1,700
9. New Jersey 1,700
10. Florida 1,600

[...]

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2010/06/14/50-states-in-debt.html

1. Rhode Island
2. Connecticut
3. Massachusetts
4. Illinois
5. Hawaii
6. New Jersey
7. New Hampshire
8. Indiana
9. Louisiana
10. Oklahoma

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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/30/Outrageous-Public-Pensions-Could-Bankrupt-These-States

1. Illinois
2. Arizona
3. New York

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLfmDYNaNC4

Top 10's Most Bankrupt States in America

Uploaded on Feb 22, 2012

Us top 10 bankrupt states in America, these states have the biggest percentage to GDP gaps... Link is bellow with list from the article that was researched.

1. Nevada
2. Illinois
3. Arizona
4. New Jersey
5. Maine
6. Vermont
7. North Carolina
8. Washington
9. Connecticut
10. New Hampshire

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#12. To: nolu chan (#11)

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal- government/2700/

2015’s States Most & Least Dependent on the Federal Government

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-06 00:42:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan, Pericles, buckeroo (#11)

Bankruptcy is not determined by income, but by what a state spends in relation to income.

It's neither. Simply put bankruptcy is the inability to pay one's debt when due. It usually is a problem of not enough available cash to pay all of the bills as they come due. Many companies, and individuals for that matter, that declared (or was declared) bankrupt were flush with assets at the time but simply short on cash.

bankrupt - adjective

without enough money to pay your debts:

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