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Title: Lindsey Graham: Confederate Flag Is a 'Road Block'
Source: NBCNEWS.com
URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre ... derate-flag-road-block-n383371
Published: Jun 28, 2015
Author: Ed Demaria
Post Date: 2015-06-28 14:36:23 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 2565
Comments: 41

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on "Meet the Press" he viewed the Confederate flag as a "road block" for his state, joining others who called for removing it from the grounds of the South Carolina capitol in the wake of this month's shootings in Charleston.

"Put it in a museum," Graham said. "You can look at it any way you would like. But after this shooting, and after the call for it to be taken down by the families of the victims, I see it as a road block to the future of my state."

Days after the shooting, Graham told CNN the flag is "part of who we are" in South Carolina. But last week he stood with Gov. Nikki Haley, R-S.C., and a group of lawmakers as she said it was time to move the flag from Capitol grounds. Graham was part of a compromise in 2000 that placed the flag in its current position. On Meet the Press, he said the recent shooting changed his thinking.

"My state will never be able to move forward after this shooting if we don't take the flag down," Graham said. "The people at the A.M.E. church, the families of the victims changed everything by their grace, by their love, by their forgiveness, making it impossible for a guy like me to say, 'Keep the flag up.'"

When asked by Chuck Todd later in the interview, Graham refused to endorsed removing the names of Confederate figures like Robert E. Lee from schools and roads, citing Lee's accomplishments after the Civil War. "[W]hen you look at what he did as a whole, I think he's earned the right to be called one of the great figures in American history," Graham said. " If it wasn't for his leadership after the war ... only God knows what would've happened after 1865."

On Friday, Graham attended the funeral of Rev. Clementa Pickney, one of the nine people killed in the Charleston shootings.

Graham said of President Obama's speech at the service, "I don't think he's a very good Commander-In-Chief, but he did a very good job."


As always, this guy has his head up his ass.

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Looks like Lady Lindsey has Jungle Fever.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-28   14:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

As always, this guy has his head up his ass.

Or John McCain's tally-whacker.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-06-28   15:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo, All (#0)

As always, this guy has his head up his ass.

Her's just looking for votes anywhere he may get them.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-28   16:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#1)

A Republican party member should not be supporting the use of a Confederate flag as a state symbol.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   9:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4)

The confederate flag is the legitimate flag of the South.

You just don't like southerners.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-30   9:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles, sneakypete (#4)

A Republican party member should not be supporting the use of a Confederate flag as a state symbol.

What would be the proper way to honor those who died in armed service other than to fly the military battle flag?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   9:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)

The confederate flag is the legitimate flag of the South.

You just don't like southerners.

Not true. And it is Southerners who joined the party of Lincoln.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   9:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#6)

Doesn't the flag already fly at a museum. The confederate memorial. So they have to take it from one museum and put it in another.

noun. 1. a building or place where works of art, scientific specimens, or other objects of permanent value are kept and displayed

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-30   10:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#0)

"My state will never be able to move forward after this shooting if we don't take the flag down," Graham said.

What a political pandering piece of lying garbage.

Get it over with, Lady. This bimbo should just switch parties tomorrow and start sporting his blonde wig, flowing sundress and sandals to the Senate.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   10:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pericles (#4)

A Republican party member should not be supporting the use of a Confederate flag as a state symbol.

Why do you hate Southern Americans as well as Northern Americans?

Hey -- too bad about Greece, eh? *snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   10:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#6)

What would be the proper way to honor those who died in armed service other than to fly the military battle flag?

Fly it at the war cemetery? In any case, the Republican party is the party responsible for killing those Confederates for the most part. The GOP made its bones over being the anti-confederates so to have a Republican senator advocate for the confederacy is kind of going against what the very party was birthed to do.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   10:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles (#4)

A Republican party member should not be supporting the use of a Confederate flag as a state symbol.

What do you propose,a loyalty to party oath?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   11:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pericles (#7) (Edited)

And it is Southerners who joined the party of Lincoln.

Only since the Bush Crime Family and their Country Club yankee pals took over the party. Prior to that they were honest.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   11:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#9)

Get it over with, Lady. This bimbo should just switch parties tomorrow and start sporting his blonde wig, flowing sundress and sandals to the Senate.

Chances are if he ran for President with Bruce Jenner as his First Lady he could get the nomination. He's have a lock on the MTV generation,the NYT and other leftist papers would support him,and so would all the tv networks.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   12:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pericles (#11)

The GOP made its bones over being the anti-confederates so to have a Republican senator advocate for the confederacy is kind of going against what the very party was birthed to do.

The GOP now is not what it was a century and a half ago -- any more than the party of Jefferson has the slightest connection with the beliefs of Jefferson.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   13:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#1)

Lindsey Graham: Confederate Flag Is a 'Road Block'

What is Lindsey Graham's idea of a speed bump?

Hemorrhoids.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-06-30   13:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Doesn't the flag already fly at a museum.

And at Confederate graves. Honoring fallen soldiers is not normally reserved for private viewing. It has flown over the Confederate cemetery at Elmira, NY. There are American flags at Normandy.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   13:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#15)

The GOP made its bones over being the anti-confederates so to have a Republican senator advocate for the confederacy is kind of going against what the very party was birthed to do.

The GOP now is not what it was a century and a half ago -- any more than the party of Jefferson has the slightest connection with the beliefs of Jefferson.

Of course - the old Dixie-crats migrated into the GOP because they left the Democratic party over their push for Civil Rights.

But the GOP of today still maintains the notion it is the party of Lincoln that fought against the Confederacy. I will even see a posting once in a while of a Republican telling blacks not to vote Democrat because they were the party of the Confederacy and slavery.

So which party are you? The Dixie-crats and GOP in name only or the party of Lincoln that fought the Confederacy and gave out medals to soldiers that shot people waving the Confederate flag in battle?

In public, the default position of the GOP is that it is still the same party of Lincoln so it has to maintain that facade, I recon.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   13:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete, Dead Culture Watch (#14)

Chances are if he ran for President with Bruce Jenner as his First Lady he could get the nomination. He's have a lock on the MTV generation,the NYT and other leftist papers would support him,and so would all the tv networks.

Lol...that cartoonish scenario WOULD lock up the Presidency! Lady Lindsey and Bruce Jenner. I'm not kidding and know you aren't either. Imagine Lindsey wearing his dress in the Senate...TOMORROW?? He'd be the libs' new iconic political darling.

The "credentials" and "qualifications" for a candidate have changed on a dime. All the better on how badly they'll treat conservatives, or number of orifices they now have available for the taking. THAT'S how sick and screwed up this culture is. This is why it'll be almost impossible for any sane national candidate to win. EVER.

Man, do I miss Bob Grant: (circa 1987): "It's sick and getting sicker out there." He knew what was coming long ago.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   14:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pericles, nolu chan, sneakypete, Deckard (#11)

In any case, the Republican party is the party responsible for killing those Confederates for the most part.

The GOP made its bones over being the anti-confederates so to have a Republican senator advocate for the confederacy is kind of going against what the very party was birthed to do.

I realize you're a foreigner just writing what you "learn" on Wikipedia, but the "Republican" Party platform of 1861 bore little resemblance to the GOP of even 50 years later -- never mind 100-150 years later.

In truth, the original GOP was organized to oust Democrat Andrew Jackson, who denied foreign elites their demand to establish a National Bank. An expensive and effective propaganda campaign and narrative was created (by the rich international Bankster elites) to kill off the Whig Party and create a party they could control at the top. "END Slavery!!" was its noble meme (even as Slavery was being phased out.) That kind of bought propaganda remind us of today's propaganda mills and fake memes.

Thus the original Republican Party was created in a virtual, suspicious flash of an eye in the wake of a Whig party that was suddenly inexplicably crashed and burned. Its position of slavery was blamed, but that's too simplistic. The Whigs had supported a Jeffersonian philosophy of democracy and with it, avoidance of fedgub overreach. (Kinda GOPish, eh?) It also supported common sense government, unity and patriotism, a national transportation network to the West, developing American goods and manufacturing (More GOPish policies...hmmm.) The Whigs also favored territorial expansion -- which enabled the US to annex the Louisiana Purchase and Texas.

The Republican Party -- originally ostensibly created from the ashes of the Whig Party (again -- by backroom international banksters) as a humane party concerned with justice and freedom for slaves -- DID NOT FREE THE SLAVES. That came conditionally, and only as a political chess move.

As it turned out the new elite-established Republican" Party did prove their new party platform was a lie, killing 600,000 Confederates AND Northerners (many new immigrants); maiming hundreds of thousands more (on both sides); Destroyed States rights and sovereignty, while giving the central fedgov incredible power; The international elites of course were overjoyed at this division, chaos, and mayhem. This allowed the elites carpetbaggers from the North to gobble up Confederate wealth and turn both whites AND blacks into their slaves. The "end of slavery," eh?

Then, as today, the rich elites, media, and subversives promoted created a lie in order to profiteer AND eventually create a class of slave. The National Banks were advanced, the Banksters created their Federal Reserve scam through the Wilson-the-Dem Party, confiscated gold, created all the wars -- and nowadays the elites call the shots in the GOP "leadership." There you have a brief synopsis on the manipulation of politics and policy...by the puppetmeister elites of BOTH parties and their respective "leaders."

Meanwhile...have you withdrawn your beans from the Greek National Bank? :-(

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   15:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator, nolu chan, sneakypete, Deckard (#20)

So now the GOP is pro confederacy? If that is the case American politics are shit.

The GOP has lots of Dixie-crats in the fold and we all have to pretend the GOP is not the seggregationist party but the Party of Lincoln (TM).

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   17:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nativist nationalist (#16)

What is Lindsey Graham's idea of a speed bump?

Hemorrhoids.

LOL! Probably,and I suspect he pays extra for them in real life.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   17:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#17)

Honoring fallen soldiers is not normally reserved for private viewing. It has flown over the Confederate cemetery at Elmira, NY. There are American flags at Normandy.

There is a British graveyard on the Outer Banks of NC. British sailors are buried there that were washed ashore after their ship was torpedoed by a Nazi sub during WW-2. I read an article in a paper once that said every time a British Naval ship docks are Charleston or Norfolk that they send a honor guard there to lay wreaths on the graves,and that a British flag flies over them.

I used to know the name of the ship they were on,but that was a long time ago. I do think it's location is known now and divers have dived on it in recent years.

I also THINK the sub was later sank,and it's location is also known and divers have dived on it,also. IIRC,it was sank within days of sinking the British ship.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   17:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#19)

Imagine Lindsey wearing his dress in the Senate...TOMORROW?? He'd be the libs' new iconic political darling.

I'd LOVE to see that happen. We can only imagine the horror of the other Senators as they start to wonder what he is going to expose about them now that he is out of the closet and not worried about HIS "secret" coming out?

I have maintained for years that the first thing that needs to be done to get this country back on it's tracks is to stop the first 50 US Senators coming out of the Senate and shoot or hang them as an example to the remaining 50 about what is in their future if they don't start representing America instead of the people who pay them bribes.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   17:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pericles (#21)

So now the GOP is pro confederacy?

It has NOTHING to do with the freaking GOP,you dummy! There may even be more rank and file Dims that support flying the Confederate battle flag than there are Republicans.

It's about history,tradition,ancestors,and the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

If that is the case American politics are shit.

It's pretty hard to argue with that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   17:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#24) (Edited)

Let's see, I lost my great-great grandfather at the Battle of Sharpsburg, fighting for States Rights, NOTSLAVERY. I also had several great-great uncles who fought for States Rights. All of these men were from York, South Carolina. Now we hear their are not worthy of having their flag flown over their graves. None of these men or their families owned slaves. I guess only black people's lives matter.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-30   17:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Liberator, Pericles, sneakypete, Deckard (#20)

In truth, the original GOP was organized to oust Democrat Andrew Jackson

Jackson died in 1845 and the GOP was organized in 1854. It was sort of a rebranded Whig party with slavery as a divide and conquer political wedge issue.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   17:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GarySpFC (#26)

I guess only black people are entitled to honor their dead.

White people only have obligations in 21st Century America,not entitlements or rights.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   17:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pericles, Liberator, sneakypete, Deckard (#21)

So now the GOP is pro confederacy?

Many people who affiliate with the GOP or Dem party respect and honor those who have served in uniform. It is more stressed in the South as part of their culture. If Germans honor their fallen soldiers from WW2, that would not be an expression of Nazism or anti-Semitism.

Honoring those who served has nothing to do with politically correct nonsense or the Rev. Al Sharpton's cause of the month.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   18:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#24)

I'd LOVE to see that happen. We can only imagine the horror of the other Senators as they start to wonder what he [Lady Lindsey] is going to expose about them now that he is out of the closet and not worried about HIS "secret" coming out?

Yup. All bets would be off. Unconcerned about his little "secret," the Lady could then down her hair. Be great to have EVERYONE's skeletons come rolling out of the closet. All 1400 of those "confidential" feeb file pilfered by the Klintoons -- and then some.

I have maintained for years that the first thing that needs to be done to get this country back on it's tracks is to stop the first 50 US Senators coming out of the Senate and [xxxx] them as an example to the remaining 50 about what is in their future if they don't start representing America instead of the people who pay them bribes.

That kind of Aisle 1 clean up should have begun long ago.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   18:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pericles (#21)

So now the GOP is pro confederacy? If that is the case American politics are shit.

You're really reaching, aren't you? Lol

The GOP has lots of Dixie-crats in the fold and we all have to pretend the GOP is not the seggregationist party but the Party of Lincoln (TM).

Why are you pretending the care either way? Btw, the Dems are the Party of Stalin, Hitler and Mao. THAT can be proven.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   18:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#23)

There is a British graveyard on the Outer Banks of NC. British sailors are buried there that were washed ashore after their ship was torpedoed by a Nazi sub during WW-2. I read an article in a paper once that said every time a British Naval ship docks are Charleston or Norfolk that they send a honor guard there to lay wreaths on the graves,and that a British flag flies over them.

I never heard of that before. I served alongside the Brits and it sounds like what they would do.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   18:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nolu chan (#27)

(In truth, the original GOP was organized to oust Democrat Andrew Jackson)

Jackson died in 1845 and the GOP was organized in 1854. It was sort of a rebranded Whig party with slavery as a divide and conquer political wedge issue.

I guess it depends on which source we look to as an authority. History says the GOP was organized in 1854. I discounted that history, but I should have given a disclaimer of my "truth" that is really speculation.

It was noted that the Whig Party collapsed in 1852. I'd connected the dots; When Jackson denied the international elites their wish to establish a National Bank, they tried to assassinate him. Logic tells me they did the next best thing to help facilitate their wishes -- Take over the opposing political party: That was the Whigs. To me, this intention meant the seed for the GOP must have been planted much earlier than 1854 or even 1852 -- while Jackson was still alive. There was no logical or political reason for the Whig Party to collapse -- other than political sabotage. The history book will blame "Slavery." I don't buy it.

There is a parallel today: The Democrat Party has been totally hijacked and taken over by Leftists and Globalists. Only they retained the brand name instead of a re-branding by their truthful party name: COMMUNISTS.

Meanwhile, THIS Republican Party's transformation and identity has been dramatically altered since Reagan left. It bares little resemblance to the GOP of pre-1988.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   18:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator (#33)

There is a parallel today: The Democrat Party has been totally hijacked and taken over by Leftists and Globalists. Only they retained the brand name instead of a re-branding by their truthful party name: COMMUNISTS.

Meanwhile, THIS Republican Party's transformation and identity has been dramatically altered since Reagan left. It bares little resemblance to the GOP of pre-1988.

The Whigs were in the process of morphing into the GOP. The Federalists followed by the Whigs sort of went through Chapter 11 political bankruptcy and emerged politically reorganized. New name, same people.

The GOP party of the pre-Bush era has been carved up from the inside by liberal neo-cons.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   19:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: nolu chan (#34)

The Whigs were in the process of morphing into the GOP.

I can buy that. But also outside "interference" moving along the process of de-Whig-ing the Party, and morphing into a GOP -- a party the elites could control.

The Federalists followed by the Whigs sort of went through Chapter 11 political bankruptcy and emerged politically reorganized. New name, same people.

"Same people" perhaps on the outside. On the inside? You know there had to be changes, aka "Puppetmeisters." That's my speculation anyway.

The GOP party of the pre-Bush era has been carved up from the inside by liberal neo-cons.

Yup. Globalist-Firsters using US assets to do their NWO bidding.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-30   19:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator, nolu chan (#35)

The Whigs were in the process of morphing into the GOP.

I can buy that.

There you go. The Confederacy is alien to the GOP.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-30   19:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pericles, Liberator (#36)

The Confederacy is alien to the GOP.

Yes, considering the Confederacy existed 1860-1865 and the GOP was barely a presence. Indeed, the Confederates considered the GOP-led Union to be an alien country.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   19:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu chan (#32)

I never heard of that before.

www.nps.gov/caha/learn/hi...ture/british-cemetery.htm

Looks like there are two of them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   21:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nolu chan (#34)

The GOP party of the pre-Bush era has been carved up from the inside by liberal neo-cons.

They used to be called "Country Club Republicans",and were mostly the inbred offspring of old European money that lived in the northeast. Their main focus was in preserving what they had regardless of the cost to nation or neighbor.

Then they were shoved aside by conservative upstarts they had deemed themselves too sophisticated to even notice when the likes of Barry Goldwater and Reagan emerged,and they ignored this threat to their power base at first,but woke up when Reagan won the Republican nomination. In a state of panic they told Reagan if he didn't accept that bastard Poppy Bush as his VP running mate they would refuse him political and financial support for his run for the WH,so Reagan pretty much had no choice but to let the evil bastard hang on to his coat tails.

Since then they have pulled one dirty trick after another to keep conservatives from gaining any traction in the GOP again,right up to and including working with the Dims to destroy any promising conservative candidate.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-30   21:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#38)

Looks like there are two of them.

Thanks for the link.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-30   22:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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