[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.

Tenn. AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets

Kamala Harris Touts Mass Amnesty Offering Fast-Tracked Citizenship to Nearly Every Illegal Alien in U.S.

Migration Crisis Fueled Rise in Tuberculosis Cases Study Finds

"They’re Going to Try to Kill Trump Again"

"Dems' Attempts at Power Grab Losing Their Grip"

"Restoring a ‘Great Moderation’ in Fiscal Policy"

"As attacks intensify, Trump becomes more popular"

Posting Articles Now Working Here

Another Test

Testing

Kamala Harris, reparations, and guaranteed income

Did Mudboy Slim finally kill this place?

"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil"

"New Rules For Radicals — How To Reinvent Kamala Harris"

"Harris’ problem: She’s a complete phony"

Hurricane Beryl strikes Bay City (TX)

Who Is ‘Destroying Democracy In Darkness?’

‘Kamalanomics’ is just ‘Bidenomics’ but dumber

Even The Washington Post Says Kamala's 'Price Control' Plan is 'Communist'

Arthur Ray Hines, "Sneakypete", has passed away.

No righT ... for me To hear --- whaT you say !

"Walz’s Fellow Guardsmen Set the Record Straight on Veep Candidate’s Military Career: ‘He Bailed Out’ "

"Kamala Harris Selects Progressive Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as Running Mate"

"The Teleprompter Campaign"

Good Riddance to Ismail Haniyeh

"Pagans in Paris"

"Liberal groupthink makes American life creepy and could cost Democrats the election".


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Education
See other Education Articles

Title: Confederate Symbols, Heritage Not Hate
Source: examiner.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/con ... rate-symbols-heritage-not-hate
Published: May 31, 2014
Author: Michael Climo
Post Date: 2015-06-25 11:20:36 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 6395
Comments: 23

Confederate Symbols, Heritage Not Hate,


Symbol of Southern Culture, Heritage and Sovereignty

In this era of political correctness symbols of the Confederacy have come under increasing attack by the media and many special interest groups. Monuments, flags and even the names of men who served have been subjected to barrages of contempt and protest by people who find them to be personally offensive. Of course the main target of their consternation is the battle flag which is also known as the St. Andrew's Cross. What many people do not know is that this flag was never the national flag of the Confederacy. It was not even the only battle flag used by the Confederate armies but that brings me to my point. Southern history (and history in general) seems to be misunderstood by the majority of people.

Many people that speak out against the battle flag do so because they believe it symbolizes the Confederate States of America which in their mind was created only to defend and perpetuate the institution of slavery. Many of these same critics seem unaware or unwilling to consider the men, who fought, suffered and died under this flag were fighting for many different reasons. The least of these for most of them was slavery. So, what were the motives that caused soldiers to fight, suffer and in many cases die for the Confederacy in the War Between the States?

In the novel Cold Mountain by Charles Frazier, a Confederate soldier named Inman has had enough late in the war and leaves the battlefields for home. In North Carolina he meets an old mountain woman who asks him: "Did you own any (slaves)?" "No. Not hardly anybody I knew did." "Then what stirred you up enough for fighting and dying?" "Four years ago I maybe could have told you. Now I don't know. I guess many of us fought to drive off invaders." Frazier's Inman was not alone in having expressed that thought. In Ken Burns' PBS television series The Civil War, novelist-turned-historian Shelby Foote is asked the same question the mountain woman asked Inman. He replies with this anecdote: "Early on in the war, a Union squad closed in on a single ragged Confederate. He didn't own any slaves and he obviously didn't have much interest in the Constitution or anything else. And they asked him what are you fighting for? He said, 'I'm fighting because you're down here."

The best evidence gathered and studied by some of the most renowned historians of the day bear out the contention that defense of slavery was not what the War was all about to the Southern yeomanry who actually fought it. That evidence can be found in the letters and diaries of the soldiers themselves. The book For Cause and Comrade: Why Men Fought in the Civil War by James M. McPherson is based on the reading of some 25,000 letters and 249 diaries written by Union and Confederate soldiers. McPherson found no opposition to slavery in the Southerners' writings and only 20 percent of them even mentioned slavery at all. To extrapolate even further only 12 percent of the men from non-slave-owning families did. McPherson found Southern hatred of Northerners was a far stronger motivation to fight. Many young Southerners viewed the Yankees in the same manner that most of their ancestors viewed the British of 1776 and 1812. They just wanted to be left alone. They wanted to be their own nation with their own idea of liberty and justice. They considered themselves patriots for fighting back, slavery or no slavery.

Toward the end of the war the the Confederate government considered emancipation in order to draft black soldiers. Many soldiers expressed the view in letters and diaries that they preferred a slave free Confederacy than re-joining the Union with slavery intact. In his book The Confederate War by Gary W. Gallagher, he reminds the reader that General Robert E. Lee urged Jefferson Davis to consider emancipation early in the War to no avail. The Confederate Constitution legitimized slavery and so did Southern public opinion. Gallagher also studied this subject through letters, diaries and the newspapers of the day. He concluded that while the Confederacy was truly a nation united in purpose and sense of identity the reason for that was not the elected government and political institutions as much as it was the public perception of Lee and his soldiers. They were "the critical agents that engendered unity and hope and the preeminent symbols of the Confederate struggle for independence and liberty."

That brings up another reason unrelated to slavery as to why Southerners went into battle. Many young men of that time and place had a very gallant idea of war. The classic book The Life of Johnny Reb: The Common Soldier of the Confederacy by Bell I. Wiley begins with: "The man who was to be Johnny Reb was rarin' for a fight in the spring of 1861." Wiley pioneered the use of letters and diaries in studying its subjects and was first published in 1943.

Another factor was State loyalty. Many of the Confederacy's greatest champions like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson for instance were not in favor of secession and only followed the South out of loyalty to their home state of Virginia. Modern day students of the era often forget that in the 19th Century most individuals felt greater loyalty to their home or adopted states than to the government and nation at large. During that era one was a Virginian, Pennsylvanian or a Kentuckian first and an American second.

Other factors for Southern men to go to war include: peer pressure, boredom, and indoctrination. These same reasons have motivated many and perhaps most soldiers all throughout human history. Most soldiers on either side probably also went to war for at least one of these three reasons. Entire communities were emptied of their young men and those who stayed behind were liable to be mocked by their female contemporaries. Since many soldiers were poor farmers, boredom and the simple longing for adventure may have inspired many of them. In the 19th century the lack of transportation options caused most people to never travel more than fifty miles away from their homes. Other men would have been roused to righteous indignation by the rhetoric that was used to inflame the populaces on both the sides.

In closing, Confederate symbols reflect Southern heritage and serve to honor the brave soldiers that fought for what they believed was right. Regrettably, I must admit slavery was a component but human bondage was also an accepted practice in the United States until 1865 when the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution was ratified. It is estimated that around 100,000 people were not freed until the Amendment went into effect on December 18. To assume that both of these countries' symbols represent hate and racism because of this is an illogical conclusion.

It is important to keep in mind an analogy of symbols that represent the United States of America (which I also proudly honor and respect). Monuments, flags and even the names of men that served this great nation are rarely vilified but American history can be questioned as well. Remember, besides slavery this nation violently uprooted and in many cases mass murdered Native American men, women and children. It also imprisoned thousands of Japanese American men, women and children in internment camps during World War II. And it also was a country that considered all women unworthy of voting or owning property. These examples were not products of some minority extremist movement but widely sponsored by actions of our federal government.

So, while American symbols at different times in our history represented a country that permitted human bondage, performed genocide, unlawfully imprisoned thousands and sanctioned sexist policies, nobody ever suggests that we should hate them like some do with Confederate symbols. Instead they are passionately embraced by most citizens as symbols of American culture and heritage in the same way that Confederate symbols should be allowed to be embraced as symbols of Southern culture and heritage and not just slavery. (1 image)

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 7.

#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell, 1984

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-06-25   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nativist nationalist, Gatlin (#1)

Confederate Symbols, Heritage Not Hate

Bullshit. The Confederate flag with the X was introduced in the late 50s and early 60s as a symbol of racial seggregation of the south against the Federal govt. That flag was not officially in any state capital before Brown Vs Board of Ed.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-25   11:53:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pericles, nativist nationalist, Gatlin (#2)

Bullshit. The Confederate flag with the X was introduced in the late 50s and early 60s as a symbol of racial seggregation of the south against the Federal govt.

Try and learn something, moron.

"The Confederacy saw the use of three different national Civil War flags during its brief time as the official government of the South. The first Confederate flag, the "Stars and Bars" (top right), was designed by Prussian artist Nicola Marschall. This design was chosen over a different design submitted by William Porcher Miles, chair of the Confederate Committee on the Flag and Seal. The "Stars and Bars" flag design was based on the Austrian national flag. This flag initially had just seven stars, but as more states seceded, stars were added. Eventually, the "Stars and Bars" flag ended up with 13 stars, with two of them representing the border states of Missouri and Kentucky.

In May 1863, it was decided that the "Stars and Bars" should be replaced; because, the flag could easily be confused with the Union flag at a distance. The new design was called the "Stainless Banner," and called for a pure white flag with a Confederate battle flag emblazoned in the top left corner.

The "Stainless Banner" soon fell out of favor as well; because, some considered it to be "too white," and it could sometimes be mistaken for a white flag of truce. Therefore, the third Confederate national Civil War flag was introduced on March 4, 1865. The new flag was called the "Bloodstained Banner (above)." It was the same as the "Stainless Banner," except a vertical red bar was added to the end of the flag. This flag was only in use for a few weeks before the Confederate surrender and the end of the Civil War."

What you ignorantly claim is the "Confederate Flag" that was introduce corca 1950s is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, the familiar "Southern Cross". It was carried by Confederate troops in the field which were the vast majority of forces under the confederacy.....that's right, moron, almost 100 years prior to 1950s). The Stars represented the 11 states actually in the Confederacy plus Kentucky and Missouri.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-25   12:59:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SOSO (#3) (Edited)

What you ignorantly claim is the "Confederate Flag" that was introduce corca 1950s is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, the familiar "Southern Cross".

One more time - and I am not talking about the invention of the flag - the use of the Confederate battle flag on Southern capitals and incorporated into the new flags of some southern states was only done in the late 1950's and early 1960's as a defiant gesture against integration and civil rights efforts.

Your post above on the history of the flag was a waste of bandwidth because the confederate flag we are talking about was soiled by these Dixie-crat segregationists who used that flag to use as a symbol of Jim Crow support.

Before Brown Vs Board of Ed school desegregation case the Confederate Battle Flag was not OFFICIALLY (emphasis on officially) used by any Southern State on their grounds nor was the design incorporated into their flags.

It's like "In God We Trust" - people assume that was on our money since George Washington but it was added in the 1950s as a reaction to communism and same thing with the "under God" line in the Pledge of Allegiance - it was not part of the original until the Cold War 50s reaction to communism.

All of you here are acting like the Confederate flag was flying over the southern state capitals since the Civil War and that is NOT the case. They are recent additions.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-25   13:03:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4)

One more time - and I am not talking about the invention of the flag - the use of the flags on Southern capitals and incorporated into the new flags of some southern states was only done in the late 1950's and early 1960's as a defiant gesture against integration and civil rights efforts.

Oh, you mean like adding the words Under God to the Pledge of Alligance in 1954? A soiling of the symbolism of the American Flag?

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-25   13:09:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SOSO (#5) (Edited)

Oh, you mean like adding the words Under God to the Pledge of Alligance in 1954? A soiling of the symbolism of the American Flag?

Exactly like that - Communists started pointing out that the patriotic Pledge of Allegiance was written and advocated for by a Communist/Socialist and this freaked out the easily freaked out American politicians and they added "under God". You could not have the anti-commie politicians declare commies as anti-American when the Patriotic Pledge Of Allegiance itself was socialist in origins complete with a socialist like hand gesture salute.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-25   13:12:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 7.

#8. To: Pericles (#7)

You could not have the anti-commie politicians declare commies as anti-American when the Patriotic Pledge Of Allegiance itself was socialist in origins complete with a socialist like hand gesture salute.

You are indeed a good comrade, Comrade.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-25 13:16:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 7.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com