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Title: Some consultants want Trump barred from GOP primary debates
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URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/ ... rred-from-gop-primary-debates/
Published: Jun 19, 2015
Author: ALLAHPUNDIT
Post Date: 2015-06-19 22:36:38 by A K A Stone
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Views: 23488
Comments: 69
I get it. With 15 people onstage, the debates will be enough of a circus without having a clown there. But on what grounds would you go about excluding Trump and no one else? And … wouldn’t this backfire tremendously? Let’s think this through. “His involvement in any televised debate will be damaging,” said Matt Mackowiak, a Republican strategist based in Texas. “It is my sincere hope that he is blocked from participating.” “He’s a very toxic addition to the field,’’ said Katie Packer Gage, deputy campaign manager of Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign. Mr. Trump so far has been invited to a number of GOP candidate forums, including one sponsored by the conservative website RedState slated for early August in Atlanta. Erick Erickson, the editor in chief of RedState, said he had concerns about including Mr. Trump but extended an invitation. “We invited him yesterday,” Mr. Erickson said. “I like him. … There is a level of the conservative base who like him. My concern is that I don’t want the other candidates to be overshadowed by Trump.” You could bar Trump on grounds that he has no realistic chance to be the nominee, but then you’ve got to bar Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum, and, er, Mike Huckabee for starters as well. Obviously you’re not going to bar him on grounds that he hasn’t held public office before. The small-government party would never insist that government experience is the sine qua non of effective leadership. You could try to bar him by raising the polling threshold for inclusion in the debates, an ostensibly neutral filter for serious candidates, but then you’re stuck excluding serious candidates like Bobby Jindal and John Kasich who are also below the cut-off right now. You could, I guess, bar him on personal grounds, that he’s simply too boorish and obnoxious for a gentleman’s debate, but in that case I have two words for you: Chris Christie. More to the point, if you bump Trump he’d call a presser and claim that the GOP excluded him only because they’re terrified he’d win if given a fair chance, the best evidence yet that the system is rigged against true- believin’ conservative populists like the Donald. And some grassroots righties would buy that. I bet he’d get a bump in the polls out of it, and there’s no doubt he’d spend the rest of the campaign attacking the party and its candidates viciously. Truth be told, I think the GOP is afraid of him — not because they think he’d win but because they know the media is at his beck and call and they know there’s a slice of the public that takes him semi-seriously. If Trump were to declare war on the GOP because they’ve affronted his ego or whatever, he could be a soundbite headache for them (and a boon to his friend Hillary) for the rest of the campaign. Mitt Romney didn’t agree to receive Trump’s endorsement in person three years ago because he wanted to be seen with Donald Trump. On the contrary, he did it through gritted teeth because he figured 10 minutes of adorning Trump’s photo op was a less bad outcome than Trump spending the rest of the campaign calling him a loser who’ll destroy the country just because Romney declined to show. Same with the GOP now. I think they’re going to give him a shot at the debates, extremely reluctantly, because it’s the less bad of the two alternatives he’s given them. Which is not to say they’ll go on including him at every debate even if he acts up. A few choice soundbites from Trump about rapists from Mexico at the first event and they’ll tighten up those poll cut-offs right quick for the second. Two thoughts in closing: One: If the dummies at the RNC had embraced my ingenious plan for a series of one-on-one debates, none of this would be a problem. You could safely quarantine the serious candidates like Rubio and Walker and stick Trump with a series of similar longshots, most of whom would be grateful for the exposure in taking on the Donald. Two: Don’t look now but Trump still hasn’t filed the form officially declaring his candidacy with the FEC. That’s an absolute prerequisite to appearing at the debates. He still has 10 days, and I can’t imagine why he’d go to the trouble of announcing his candidacy only to pull the rug out so soon and miss the debates, but Trump skeptics have long suspected that he’d never pull the trigger on disclosing his financial holdings in detail. Maybe … this has all been an elaborate fake-out? That’s probably the GOP’s best hope of resolving this peacefully.
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#29. To: misterwhite (#28)
Okay, I get your point. I've seen the MSM headlines and news and Trump is persona non grata.
And he just announced. If (and that's if) Trump starts to climb in the polls, the MSM is going to go apeshit.
Why? Do you think they are being taken too seriously now,and need this buffoon to "goofy them up"? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Can't you read Mensa Boy? There is evidence of hired help. Trump's man denied it. Even Trump has denied it. You don't think he would lie,do you? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No, not at all. But they might gain a good amount of publicity from Trump. Their past candidates had little to no name recognition, and consequently they got not media attention. Trump would gain them name recognition, & media attention. Those factors could help their lower level candidates as well. Si vis pacem, para bellum
The last Four alleged Republican candidates were named Bush,Bush,McLunatic,and Romney. And chances are the next one will be named Bush,too. Find ONE registered Republican that has never heard of them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
And chances are the next one will be named Bush,too. Find ONE registered Republican that has never heard of them. " Correct you are Pete. BUT, I was referring to past 3 RD PARTY candidates. That was the point of our discussion, starting with my Post # 17. Si vis pacem, para bellum
My apologies. My point is that Trump isn't a 3rd Party candidate,and with his ego I would be shocked if he would accept a 3rd Party nomination. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I've noticed that leftists like You, Hillary and Cher don't like Trump. You all support murdering babies and marrying faggots. Leftist loons stick together.
Cheer up,Pebbles. One day you can come out of the closet and marry the man of your dreams. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Rules for Leftards #10). I have to denigrate others so I can feel good about myself!!www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=27927 Cz your rules for leftards has exposed sneaky to be a left wing peter.
" My point is that Trump isn't a 3rd Party candidate" True, he is not. That is why I suggested that a 3rd Party court him. " with his ego I would be shocked if he would accept a 3rd Party nomination. " I agree. But for the 3rd Party, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Never know. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Sneakypete is no left winger, pal.
You're so stupid sometimes Buck. Fags pretending to be married is an Obama Hillary left wing position. If you're taking it up the ass you would probably disagree. Bernie Sanders is a left wing loon commie. Sneaky the peter Supports this left wing loon. You may think it is ok to kill babies like sneaky the peter does. But that would just mean you are a left wing loon also. You may think that Pete is conservative because he says he supports gun rights. Well gang bangers in Chicago like guns too and they aren't on the right. They are on the left like Sneaky the peter. A clown that you have shown yourself to be isn't taken to seriously. You're not only a clown. You're just also timid and afraid. Kind of girly like Anthony the Weiner. You are afraid to say who you support. Because we will laugh and make fun of the stupid people you think are capable of solving any of our problems. You're just a talker. You sat on the border and got drunk and watched the illegals cross. You just don't want Trump to be successful because he just might build that fence. You also hate it that he is against the trad bill. You also probably want more Mexican rapists to cross the border. Ok I'm exaggeratin there but you can be really dumb at times. Really dumb.
I can't speak for SneakyPete, pal. I can tell you my opinion about Sneakypete, however. He is infinitely more conservative (conservative defined as based on principles and ethics and moral conduct) than you have ever offered in your posts. He has a distinctive honour code of not bullshitting; he makes some of the finest humour under the Sun and you don't get it. You can take your Bernie Sanders schtick and shove it ... if pete suggested such a thing, it was in humour as the GOP/DEM party don't offer much of a choice.
Sanders married his current wife, Jane, in May of 1988 and the next day left for their “romantic honeymoon” to Yaroslavl, in the then-Soviet Union. Sneaky the left wing Peter was quite serious. I actually like Pete. That is why I am trying to show him his ignorance so he can shift course.
He is to the left of me on every position. At best tied on a couple.
Are you stating that you are creating purposeful and meaningful, significant considerations towards Pete with the expressed intent that he can shift his perspective towards yours? Stone, you are fuckin' nutz.
I doubt that you understand what "left" or "right" from a political perspective is about. Please explain the difference of: "left" and "right" here and now.
No. Not until you tell me this. Does the left or right support Sanders? Is queer marriage supported by the left or the right. Is abortion supported by the left or the right. On these positions is Pete Right or Left. If you fail to answer any of these questions. I wont answer yours. If you get any answers wrong. I won't answer any of your questions.
That's rich, isn't your habit to disrupt any forum if the other posters don't shift their perspective towards yours? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
OKAY, I ask a question for clarification about your considerations of "left" or "right" and you, in turn issue an ultimatum: No. Not until you tell me this. I shall take a moment or two to humour you, so I shall comply. Within the broad interpretation of contemporary politics, the political spectrum is defined as "left" to "right." In America, that "left to "right" political spectrum is defined by the DEM/GOP dynamics, which do not represent my opinions. Bernie Sanders is about as left as you can go. I do not support Bernie other than a joke. Both DEM/GOP parties support queer marriage. I don't. My reasons are simple, too: marriage is not a government sanction; marriage is a highly personal relationship distant and removed from government sanctions. Both DEM/GOP parties support abortion. I don't. He is an Independent just as I am. The two major political parties have left all of us to scramble for a new political party and process about this nation.
Buck I like you. I like your humor mostly. I think you're a patriot. But you're also kind of a clown. That is ok it's good to joke. You also didn't answer the questions correctly.
What's the matter? Are you suggesting that I am a forum troll? How can that be when I post completely positive and objective statements?
Good. I am completely independent of the horseshit that is freely tossed between the GOP/DEMs. If you want to waste your tyme on that stuff, go ahead. It is your forum.
I just spit out my Koffee... in laffter and your noze is growing. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
This is good news. I want you to choke & gurgle on your own phlegm, too. Be a good retiree and die.
When you grow a set... then you won't have to sit around and wait for fate. lol Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Fate? You want to chat about "fate?" Look at what you did to yourself ... retired after 20 years of a dead end job working "publick service" escorting little elementary kids across the street. Yeah, an authority figure that you were with your fat belly hangin' out of your bright green street walker cross guard uniform. And that bucket o' doughnuts by your 9-5 lawnchair was a kicker to boot 'bout "fate."
Why don't you marry him then?
I have no doubt at all that he really does believe the nonsense he spouts,and that he actually thinks he is smart. Or I should say "under the impression" rather than "thinks". Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
R0FLMAO! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Why don't you marry him then? Because I have a say in that,and it ain't happening. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He likes Mitt more. Wrong. I merely told the truth,and that on economic issues THAT SELF-PROCLAIMED SOCIALIST is more conservative than your allegedly Republican heroes. You know,the asshats that worked with Clinton to destroy our economy and send our manufacturing jobs to China? You may think it is ok to kill babies like sneaky the peter does. That's a damn lie! Point out ONE post of mine where I ever claimed it was ok to kill babies. In FACT,I am on record as being opposed to abortion except in the cases where the life and/or health of the mother is at risk if she carries to term. You just have your panties all in a wad because I don't think the government or religious loons like you have the legal authority to force a woman or girl to give birth against her will. Especially in cases of minor girls who got pregnant due to rape or incest. And frankly,I don't give a damn if you like it or not. I also happen to believe that minorities,INCLUDING homosexuals have the same RIGHTS as the rest of us. If they didn't,none of us would have any rights,only privileges granted by the state. We are either ALL free,or NONE of us are free. That concept seems to be too "deep" for you to understand because it doesn't fit your agenda of using the force of government to punish people you don't like because they don't share your religious dogma. BTW,Jethro,using the power of government to enforce biases is a LEFTIST concept,NOT the conservative of a conservative in America. Our country was founded on the concept of maximum individual freedoms for citizens and minimal power for the government. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Well said
He is to the left of me on every position. One of your major problems is you don't understand "right" and "left". In reality,you are a fascist,and fascists are left-wingers. The whole "right" and "left" thing is confusing anyhow because it was based on who sat on the right side of the room and who sat on the left side of the room,and both major parties have changed wildly more than once since that was established. It is more accurate to describe American politics as "conservative" and "socialist". In AMERICA,if you are a conservative you want to maintain the form of government established by our Founding Fathers,and they were primarily what we called "Libertarians" today. If you are oppossed to our Libertarian form of government and want to return to the Feudal System of old Europe,you are a socialist and want a government that will be your daddy. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There IS no "right" in America politics anybody. Only Dims and Semi-Dims. As for Sanders he is not getting a lot of love from the Dims anymore because he wants to bring manufacturing back to America,and that screws with their dividend payments and their desire to become royalty. And,I will repeat,based entirely on what Sanders said in the article I was referring to,he IS more conservative than any of the current alleged Republicans running for the WH. If that puts a maggot in your punch bowl,eat it and be grateful for the protein,but just remember,it was people like you who put and keep those alleged "conservatives" in office,not Sanders and not me. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Thank you. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Stop with this cornball talking point. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump same as a vote for Perot was a vote for Perot. " I agree, that is ridiculous statement made by desperate people that are pulling for a inferior candidate. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Some consultants do not want their trained monkeys to be made to look bad. Si vis pacem, para bellum
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)
"I've seen the MSM headlines and news and Trump is persona non grata"
#31. To: Stoner (#17)
Some of the third parties would be wise to court Trump to run on their ticket.
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#27)
Don't you trust your own link?
#33. To: sneakypete (#31)
" Why? Do you think they are being taken too seriously now,and need this buffoon to "goofy them up"? "
#34. To: Stoner (#33)
Their past candidates had little to no name recognition,
#35. To: sneakypete (#34)
" The last Four alleged Republican candidates were named Bush,Bush,McLunatic,and Romney.
#36. To: Stoner (#35)
BUT, I was referring to past 3 RD PARTY candidates. That was the point of our discussion, starting with my Post # 17.
#37. To: sneakypete (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
You all support murdering babies and marrying faggots.
#39. To: sneakypete, cz82 (#38)
One day you can come out of the closet and marry the man of your dreams.
#40. To: sneakypete (#36)
#41. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, CZ82 (#39)
Stone sez: Cz your rules for leftards has exposed sneaky to be a left wing peter.
#42. To: buckeroo (#41)
#43. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#42)
#44. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#43)
You can take your Bernie Sanders schtick and shove it ... if pete suggested such a thing, it was in humour
#45. To: buckeroo (#43)
He is infinitely more conservative (conservative defined as based on principles and ethics and moral conduct) than you have ever offered in your posts.
#46. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#44)
That is why I am trying to show him his ignorance so he can shift course.
#47. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#45)
He is to the left of me on every position.
#48. To: buckeroo (#47)
Please explain the difference of: "left" and "right" here and now.
#49. To: buckeroo (#46)
(Edited)
Are you stating that you are creating purposeful and meaningful, significant considerations towards Pete with the expressed intent that he can shift his perspective towards yours?
#50. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#48)
Does the left or right support Sanders?
Is queer marriage supported by the left or the right.
Is abortion supported by the left or the right.
On these positions is Pete Right or Left.
#51. To: buckeroo (#50)
#52. To: GrandIsland (#49)
... isn't your habit to disrupt any forum
#53. To: A K A Stone (#51)
You also didn't answer the questions correctly.
#54. To: buckeroo (#52)
What's the matter? Are you suggesting that I am a forum troll? How can that be when I post completely positive and objective statements?
#55. To: GrandIsland (#54)
#56. To: buckeroo (#55)
Be a good retiree and die.
#57. To: GrandIsland (#56)
#58. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#44)
I actually like Pete.
#59. To: buckeroo (#46)
Are you stating that you are creating purposeful and meaningful, significant considerations towards Pete with the expressed intent that he can shift his perspective towards yours?
#60. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#51)
You also didn't answer the questions correctly.
#61. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
I actually like Pete.
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
Why don't you marry him then?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#63. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Bernie Sanders is a left wing loon commie. Sneaky the peter Supports this left wing loon.
#64. To: sneakypete (#63)
#65. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#45)
He is infinitely more conservative (conservative defined as based on principles and ethics and moral conduct) than you have ever offered in your posts.
#66. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#48)
Does the left or right support Sanders?
#67. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
Well said
#68. To: Vinny (#15)
" A vote for Trump, is a vote for Hillary.
#69. To: A K A Stone (#0)
" Some consultants want Trump barred from GOP primary debates "
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