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Title: 'It was sex': Law enforcement says Dennis Hastert hush-money scandal is about sexual misconduct with a male during his years as a high school wrestling coach
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... is-town-coached-wrestling.html
Published: May 29, 2015
Author: David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-05-29 16:14:24 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 30051
Comments: 130

  • Hastert was indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury on felony charges of hiding large cash bank withdrawals and lying to the FBI
  • Washington is abuzz with guesses about the nature of the $1.7 million in payoffs he allegedly made to atone for 'prior misconduct'
  • Now law enforcement sources say the case is about sexual misconduct with a male while Hastert was a high school wrestling coach
  • Federal indictment said 'Individual A' who received the cash lived in the town where Hastert coached and taught high school history

Former U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert's hush-money scandal stems from sexual misconduct he committed during the years he was a high school wrestling coach, according to law enforcement sources.

The Los Angeles Times on Friday quoted one source who said simply: 'It was sex.'

Another told the paper that Hastert paid more than $1.7 million to cover up what the Times termed 'sexual abuse.'

One of the officials said the 'Individual A' described in Hastert's federal indictment is a man and that the sexual misconduct allegedly occurred long before the former House speaker's political career – in the timeframe when he was a high school history wrestling and football coach.

'It goes back a long way, back to then,' the source told the Times. 'It has nothing to do with public corruption or a corruption scandal. Or to his time in office.'

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Dennis Hastert Teacher 1966nYorkville High School, Yorkville, ILnCredit: Seth Poppel/Yearbook Library

Former US House Speaker Dennis Hastert was a young high school wrestling coach (left, shown in a 1966 yearbook photo) when he committed sexual misconduct that has cost him millions to cover up, according to law enforcement sources. Hastert (right, in February) was indicted Thursday on federal charges including making false statements to the FBI

SPEAKER: Hastert (right, shown with Rep. Nancy Pelosi in 2005) led the House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007

SPEAKER: Hastert (right, shown with Rep. Nancy Pelosi in 2005) led the House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007

This Oct. 25, 1975 photo shows Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (top left) and then-Illinois State University wrestling coach Larry Meyer (top right) watching a wrestling demonstration at a clinic in Bloomington, Ill.

This Oct. 25, 1975 photo shows Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (top left) and then-Illinois State University wrestling coach Larry Meyer (top right) watching a wrestling demonstration at a clinic in Bloomington, Ill.

In addition to the public humiliation of an unsealed felony indictment, Hastert lost his lucrative lobbying job on Thursday.

On its face, the criminal case charges that he knowingly made illegal bank withdrawals in a pattern of amounts just small enough to avoid triggering federal reporting requirements.

But beneath the surface now lurks a sex scandal that could change how Hastert is remembered by history.

Appearing Friday on MSNBC, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said she was 'surprised' at the latest revelations and called it a 'sad' episode for Congress.

'When Mr. Hastert was the speaker, our run for winning the house in '06 was to say that we were running against a culture or corruption cronyism and incompetence,' she said.

'At the time there were many indictments but we had no idea that that would include the speaker of the house.'

Guessing what kind of secret Hastert had been hiding quickly became a parlor game on Thursday and Friday among Washington insiders who know the former speaker.

As with the Los Angeles Times' sources, none of them who spoke with Daily Mail Online would agree to the publications of their names.

'It has to be something about the wrestling coaching in the '60s and '70s,' said one Republican House aide who has been on Capitol Hill since Hastert's first days as House speaker.

A FOLEY LINK? Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace while Hastert was speaker, after lurid texts and emails he sent to young male congressional pages were discovered – and Hastert allegedly sat on the information for months

A FOLEY LINK? Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace while Hastert was speaker, after lurid texts and emails he sent to young male congressional pages were discovered – and Hastert allegedly sat on the information for months

404ed: Hastert's name and biography were stripped on Thursday from the website of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, the lawyer-lobbyist firm where he worked since 2008

404ed: Hastert's name and biography were stripped on Thursday from the website of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, the lawyer-lobbyist firm where he worked since 2008

The married 73-year-old former legislator's criminal charging document describes payments of $1.7 million in hush money to a person who lived in Yorkville, Illinois, the town where he coached and taught high school history.

Including those details, according to one federal prosecutor, was a likely clue to the nature of the 'prior misconduct' Hastert was trying to cover up.

'The feds don't put superfluous facts in an indictment,' Jeffrey Cramer told the Chicago Tribune. 'If it's in there, it's relevant.'

'Individual A has been a resident of Yorkville, Illinois, and has known defendant JOHN DENNIS HASTERT most of Individual A's life,' Thursday's indictment reads.

Cramer said Hastert's deep, dark secret could be devastating, given the size of the alleged payoff.

'$3.5 million is a lot of money to keep a secret hidden,' he told the Tribune.

'Ten bucks says this is blowback from the Mark Foley thing,' a second Capitol Hill aide added Friday in a conversation with Daily Mail Online.

That's a reference to a scandal that dogged Hastert while he was the most powerful member of the House of Representatives.

HIDING A SECRET: It has emerged from law enforcement sources that Hastert's sexual 'abuse' of a minor during his coaching years led to the hush-money payments that put him in legal jeopardy

HIDING A SECRET: It has emerged from law enforcement sources that Hastert's sexual 'abuse' of a minor during his coaching years led to the hush-money payments that put him in legal jeopardy

THROW THE BUMS OUT: Hastert presided over the House during the period when President Bill Clinton survived a party-line vote in the US Senate following his impeachment by the House

THROW THE BUMS OUT: Hastert presided over the House during the period when President Bill Clinton survived a party-line vote in the US Senate following his impeachment by the House

VINTAGE: Hastert is shown in 1985 when he was a member of the Illinois General Assembly

VINTAGE: Hastert is shown in 1985 when he was a member of the Illinois General Assembly

In September 2006, then-Rep. Mark Foley of Florida resigned in the wake of revelations that he had sent sexually explicit emails and text messages to young male congressional pages.

Hastert originally claimed he learned about the misconduct from news reports but later issued a statement acknowledging that he knew in late 2005 after staffers and other Republicans in leadership roles warned him personally about the problem.

In the intervening months, Foley was allowed to co-chair a congressional caucus group focused on missing and exploited children.

The bipartisan House Ethics Committee later ruled that Hastert was 'willfully ignorant' as the scandal unfolded.

'Why did he cover that up?' the second House staffer asked on Friday. 'Did he have a similar problem with a gay thing, and was he afraid of what would happen to him if he outed Foley?'

But the Associated Press spoke with David Corwin, whose son wrestled for Hastert at Yorkville.

'You won't get anyone to say anything bad about him out here,' he said. 'Everybody loved him. The kids loved him and they still do.'

Dickstein Shapiro, the firm where Hastert had worked since 2008, dropped his name and biography from its website within an hour of the announcement that a federal grand jury had charged him with two felonies.

Hastert was previously co-leader of the firm's public policy and political law practice. The firm's website had previously noted that as a member of the Illinois General Assembly he 'spearheaded legislation on child abuse prevention.'

He now faces two charges, each of which could send him to prison for five years and cost him $250,000 in fines.

GLORY DAYS: Hastert was close with fellow former speaker Newt Gingrich

GLORY DAYS: Hastert was close with fellow former speaker Newt Gingrich

Hastert was third in the presidential order of succession but now could go to prison for a decade

Hastert was third in the presidential order of succession but now could go to prison for a decade

Federal prosecutors in Chicago say he structured the withdrawal of $952,000 in cash in order to evade the requirement that banks report cash transactions over $10,000.

He allegedly paid $1.7 million out of an agreed-upon $3.5 million amount to the mysterious 'Individual A' in order to 'compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct.'

The indictment alleges that beginning in June 2010 Hastert withdrew $50,000 at a time and handed it over at six-week intervals.

Two years later he switched to making withdrawals of less than $10,000.

That's the cutoff point above which banks must file 'Currency Transaction Reports' with the federal government.

The grand jury charged him with pulling money out of at least four separate banks on 106 different occasions, and lying to the FBI about it.

In December 2014, according to the government, 'Hastert falsely stated that he was keeping the cash.'

The Justice Department quoted him telling FBI agents: 'Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing.'

He had allegedly told them that he didn't trust banks and meant to store his wealth on his own.

The federal indictment does not explicitly say Hastert was being blackmailed or extorted, but does describe how investigators tried to determine whether he 'was the victim of a criminal extortion related to, among other matters, his prior positions in government.'

In addition to leaving his lobbying job with Dickstein Shapiro, Hastert resigned Thursday from the board of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

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#41. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

they IMPEACHED him, provoking a Constitutional crisis.

Come on you are starting to sound like a democrat moron.

If someone lies under oath then you prosecute them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   12:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

Hastert was Speaker who went after Clinton and impeached him over a ginned up charge. The Republicans tried to strike at the king based on bullshit, and they lost.

Did someone hack your account? That isn't the christian view.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   12:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

You're not going to defend Hastert and rail against the $10,000 reporting requirement?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   12:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#35)

But DO NOT IMPEACH A SITTING PRESIDENT for lying about consensual sex when the American public tells you not to.

Yeah shut up about immoral things. Let the democrats resistribute your money. Even though it is stolen money shut up about it.

If the democrts do anything wrong. Bleme it on the Republicans and say it will backfire.

Lie and say Republicans are for the rich. Even though it is the democrats who are for the rich. That is why they have high payroll taxes. That way you can't ever get rich. You have to pay money. That way the democrats can feed people christ said shouldn't be fed because they refuse to work. Who cares what Jesus said about working and eating. Them democrats are going to take your money you earned (it wasn't really your money anyways) and give it to them poor democrats who can work but won't.

God said the fruits of your labor are yours. But Vic and the democrats have a better idea. Go to work. Work hard. Don't save for your kids future. PUt it in the ponzi scheme bucket so deadbeats who don't believe in God can take the money from the people who live godly.

Socialism socialsim. That is what the Bible is right? God was a commie. Jesus was a commie. They were all democrats. /idiot speak off.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   12:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#32) (Edited)

And the people of his district ignored Frank's sexual proclivities because they did not matter,

It doesn't matter. God made him that way right. Faggots are just as good at deciding policy as christians. How dare you judge that faggot who was using his office for fag prostitutes.

SOmetimes you sound like you don't have a clue.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   12:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: SOSO (#16)

"The alleged action happened decades ago yet the demand for money by the alleged victim only recently?"

It is odd. I mean, Hastert's out of office. Why blackmail him now?

Hell, I'd collect evidence of the blackmail (recordings, letters, e-mails), tell him to f**K himself, then use that money to hire lawyers and a PR team to turn this into a he-said-she-said blackmail scheme and press charges.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   12:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

"They IMPEACHED Clinton over a blowjob."

Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors based on perjury and obstruction of justice. Nothing in the Articles of Impeachment about blowjobs.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   12:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jameson (#36)

If the "sexual misconduct" involved a child, I would hope that the GOP's 'Mr Speaker" is treated just like Jerry Sandusky.

Wouldn't you?

Well, I would expect him to be treated under the provisions of the laws of the state in which the crime occurred:

State of Illinois
Sec. 13-202.2. Childhood sexual abuse.

(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an action for damages for personal injury based on childhood sexual abuse must be commenced within 20 years of the date the limitation period begins to run under subsection (d) ...

I don't believe charges have even been filed yet, and it's been what, 40 years?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   12:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: misterwhite (#48)

Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   13:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Vicomte13, pewricles, sneakypete, All (#33)

The moral is: leave people's private sex lives alone, or sooner or later you will be held accountable for your own.

The moral is: Leave Clinton' financial corruptions and abuse of power alone or sooner or later they will make sure that you are accountale for your own as the Democrats continue to give them shelter and enable more of the same.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite, All (#46)

The alleged action happened decades ago yet the demand for money by the alleged victim only recently?"

It is odd. I mean, Hastert's out of office. Why blackmail him now?

ping #50

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Fred Mertz (#49)

"Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?"

That's what I was thinking. Unless "the victim" stated he was going to the police and Hastert offered money to change his mind.

But that's still blackmail, I think.

Man, that's 3.5 million reasons to fight it. Now the child abuse rumors are out there, Hastert has already given him $1.7 million, plus he now has those FBI charges against him.

For something that happened 40 years ago.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   13:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Pericles, vicomte13, pericles, sneakpete, All (#25)

Tell what were the impeachment charges being leveled at Nixon? How do those charges stack againt Clinton committing perjury and obstructing justice? Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: misterwhite (#52)

We had a local high profile case a number of years ago (coach Rick Pitino) - an old girlfriend tried to blackmail/extort money from him. He went to the FBI and she's the one that ended up behind bars.

Hastert obviously looks like the guilty party for paying so much money for something that allegedly happened 40 years ago.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   13:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#37)

I don't find anything disgusting in the case, actually.

Hastert's sex offenses were, what? 30-35 years ago? The statute of limitations ran long ago. I don't care what people did 35 years ago. And the boy was a teen. When I was a teenage boy, I was perfectly capable of saying yes, or no, to sex, and if I didn't want to do something, to avoid doing it. It may have been statutory rape, but it was consensual - the boy is now a grown middle aged man, and he's shaking down an older man, and the older man is paying him off because of hypocrisy.

Now do I find the Clinton case disgusting. He and an adult woman had sex. Big freakin' deal. I'm not God. God will handle the judgment for sin part. From the perspective of law enforcement, I want the law OUT OF PEOPLE'S BEDROOMS. And I'm generally opposed to sneaking and snooping.

What was digesting was the witch hunt against Clinton, using prosecutorial power granted to explore financial corruption, and turning it into an investigation of consensual sex between adults, then setting up a perjury trap, springing it. All of that was abusive. What went over the line into insanity was IMPEACHING Clinton for perjury, for lying about consensual sex in a political perjury trap.

The public, myself included, were opposed to that impeachment. It was offensive. It was a brutal overreach. And it showed an "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" that was unbelievably bad.

But the cherry on the sundae was to then find out that all of the Republican leaders were THEMSELVES sexual perverts. So, perverts impeached a pervert against the will of the people.

As far as your opinions about religion go, you're entitled to them, of course. Nobody's going to persuade you differently.

There's a reason we're not political allies.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-30   13:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Fred Mertz, misterwhite, All (#54)

We had a local high profile case a number of years ago (coach Rick Pitino) - an old girlfriend tried to blackmail/extort money from him. He went to the FBI and she's the one that ended up behind bars.

Pitino still had a career and long life ahead of him. Hastert has but a few years left and a legacy to protect. Why should he spend the last years of his life fighting this out in court even if he was not guilty of anything. Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time.

This whole thing is nothing more than a shot across the bow of anyone thinking of seriously pursuing the Clinton Cash corruption. Remember that Hillary illgeally had FBI files in her possession for quite some time. Like Obama, the Clintons have the dirt on everyone that can do them serious harm and they showed that the will use it at will.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

The public, myself included, were opposed to that impeachment

Because you are a democrat.

You turn off your values at times.

Make excuses for liars.

Make excuses for cheaters.

You're falling. Hope you can get back up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   13:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

But the cherry on the sundae was to then find out that all of the Republican leaders were THEMSELVES sexual perverts

Still falling lower I see.

Now you are bearing false witness.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   13:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: SOSO (#56)

Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time.

If you say so. Color me skeptical of that assertion.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   13:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

There's a reason we're not political allies

Liberator doesn't make excuses for piece of shit democrats. Like you've been doing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   13:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Fred Mertz (#59)

Color me skeptical of that assertion.

OK, you are so colored.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: misterwhite (#47)

Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors based on perjury and obstruction of justice. Nothing in the Articles of Impeachment about blowjobs.

Legalistic little games. You Republicans set it up so well, so carefully.

But the people don't buy legalistic bullshit. This isn't Germany, and it isn't the Soviet Union.

Clinton was impeached for lying about sex. That was not a high crime or high misdemeanor. It was petty. It was petty and the people opposed it.

But you Republican legalists blew off the will of the people, and all sense of proportion, and impeached… and it all blew up in your faces, as it should have.

The impeachment never should have been brought. The people, including me, told you that. You did it anyway, believing in your little legalistic martinet arguments. But an impeachment is a POLITICAL trial, not a legal one. Anybody who could count could see how it would come out. And it did come out just as it had to, and as it should have.

So, you had your little win with the impeachment, but then the defeats began. Defeated in the Senate. And then defeated by the American people in the very next election. For the first time in a century the party that held the White House GAINED seats in the mid-terms…of an impeached President.

The people, ignored in the first instance, exacted punishment on the Republicans in the next election.

And the gift has kept giving. Gingrich out, and his political career destroyed. He runs for President, and all that matters is his affairs.

Vitter. Out. He had an affair. Clearly unqualified - by Republican standards.

Then Larry Craig and his tawdry little mess.

And now Hastert, head of the impeaching house, exposed as a pedophile all of these years later.

Revenge: it's what's for dinner.

Nobody is lining up to defend Republicans for their asshat move impeaching Clinton except for other Republicans - and you people are the minority and becoming ever more minoritarian.

The reason you lost is that you did things like impeach Clinton instead of addressing the nation's economic, trade, immigration, labor, health care and security woes. You played low sexual politics, and did THAT as badly as W fought wars and ran the economy.

A real tour de force. No wonder you guys are dying out. Older and older you get. Old, bitter, clinging to foolish arguments from a decade ago. Meanwhile, your leaders who led the charge all turn out to be pedophiles, fags and adulterers. Could you people be more blind?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-30   13:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#58)

Now you are bearing false witness.

Gingrich. Vitter. Craig. Hastert. McCain (ditched his faithful wife, adulterous, married the trophy).

There's no false witness.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-30   13:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Fred Mertz (#59)

Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time.

If you say so. Color me skeptical of that assertion.

I assume that you have a family, perhaps including grandkids, and a reputation as a decent if not good guy in your social and professional circles.

Hypotethectical: What would you do if a woman that you knew for 30-40 years ago, perhaps even an old girlfriend, came to you tomorrow and said you raped me 30 years ago when I was just 16 years old. Pay me $5,000 or I will go public to everyone you know and then some with this story. BTW, here are some pictures from 30 years ago with you with your arm around me.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#62)

But the people don't buy legalistic bullshit.

BS, especially for Democrats. It's that old ploy. The same behavior is not sexual harrassment if the girl likes the guy, it is when she doesn't.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: misterwhite (#43)

You're not going to defend Hastert and rail against the $10,000 reporting requirement?

Of course I oppose the $10,000 reporting requirement.

Doesn't matter:

Hastert sought to remove a president from office for lying about a blowjpb, against the will of the people.

Republicans set themselves up as the moral arbiters. And they lost. And they were themselves scumbags. And over time, one by one, the leadership has been exposed for their own immorality.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-30   13:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Fred Mertz (#54)

"Hastert obviously looks like the guilty party for paying so much money for something that allegedly happened 40 years ago."

Exactly.

Now, imagine he collects evidence of interstate blackmail and extortion -- e-mails, phone calls, etc. He secretly records any meetings. He pays nothing.

Then he puts together a team of lawyers and PR people and goes to the FBI. The statute of limitations for sexual abuse has expired. Now it's he-said-she-said, but the "victim" has no credibility because of the blackmail. Hastert would "rise above these sordid accusations" by not commenting on them.

Sure, people would whisper and gossip, but that's better than what's happening now.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   13:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite, All (#66)

Hastert sought to remove a president from office for lying about a blowjpb, against the will of the people.

He didn't just lie, he committed perjury and obstruction of justice. He got away with it because the Democrats and MSM spun the story away from the high crimes and misdemeamors into a BS narrative. And the ignorant American people bought the BS because they liked the Slickster.

I ask you again, what were the impeachment charges being drawn up against Nixon? Who forced Nixon out of office, the Democrats or his own party?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   13:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: SOSO (#65)

BS, BS, BS, Blah, blah, blah.

You Republicans enacted Roe v Wade, and have never reversed it, and you have controlled the Supreme Court continuously since 1969.

You had a Republican President, and Congress, and Supreme Court, and Governor of Florida, but "nothing could be done" while Terri Schiavo was tortured to death by thirst, at the command of some corn-pone local probate judge.

You controlled Congress and the White House and the Courts, and yet the Borders stayed open, the economy fell apart, AND you blew the wars.

But we're supposed to listen to you jokers and follow YOUR moral leadership…of adulterers, gay bathroom cruisers and pedophiles.

My God you people are a joke. A sick joke.

I don't belong on a site with you. This is not the place for me.

Neither is DU - Democrats are babykillers.

Signing off for good.

Bye.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-30   13:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Vicomte13 (#63)

Dick Armey, Tom Delay, John Boehner, Jennifer Dunn, Tillie K. Fowler.

Ditching your wife doesn't make you a pervert. It makes you a fornicator.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   13:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: SOSO (#64)

"Pay me $5,000 or I will go public to everyone you know and then some with this story."

My wife would say she's less concerned about what I was accused of doing 30 years ago than paying some blackmailing bitch $5,000 of "family" money.

There is no way of that happening. None. Not an option.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   13:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Vicomte13 (#69)

Signing off for good.

Bye.

Take a weekend break or a week, but don't leave for good. No way.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   13:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Vicomte13 (#69)

You Republicans enacted Roe v Wade, and have never reversed it, and you have controlled the Supreme Court continuously since 1969.

More false witness. Is that a "deadly sin"?

Republicans didn't enact Rove V Wade.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: All (#73)

More false witness. Is that a "deadly sin"?

Republicans didn't enact Rove V Wade.

Just because some were appointed by Republicans. Doesn't mean Republicans enacted Roe vs Wade. There were members of both parties. Blackman was Nixon's fourth choice. That doesn't mean Republicans expected him to make that evil decision.

You are in my opinion adding more into what happened.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Vicomte13 (#69)

When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   14:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Vicomte13 (#62)

That was not a high crime or high misdemeanor.

Spin. The standard isn't "high misdemeanor. It is just a plain old misdemeanor.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Vicomte13 (#62)

But you Republican legalists blew off the will of the people, and all sense of proportion, and impeached… and it all blew up in your faces, as it should have.

How did it blow up? Republicans won the next several elections.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Vicomte13 (#62)

And then defeated by the American people in the very next election.

Uh. Bush won the next election.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Vicomte13 (#62)

Revenge: it's what's for dinner.

Donald "Buz" Lukens predated Clinton your hero.

Clinton was revenge for that.

Do you see your error yet?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Vicomte13 (#69)

You controlled Congress and the White House and the Courts, and yet the Borders stayed open, the economy fell apart, AND you blew the wars.

Most Republicans want to close the border. That is just a fact.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-30   14:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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