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Title: 'It was sex': Law enforcement says Dennis Hastert hush-money scandal is about sexual misconduct with a male during his years as a high school wrestling coach
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... is-town-coached-wrestling.html
Published: May 29, 2015
Author: David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-05-29 16:14:24 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 30040
Comments: 130

  • Hastert was indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury on felony charges of hiding large cash bank withdrawals and lying to the FBI
  • Washington is abuzz with guesses about the nature of the $1.7 million in payoffs he allegedly made to atone for 'prior misconduct'
  • Now law enforcement sources say the case is about sexual misconduct with a male while Hastert was a high school wrestling coach
  • Federal indictment said 'Individual A' who received the cash lived in the town where Hastert coached and taught high school history

Former U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert's hush-money scandal stems from sexual misconduct he committed during the years he was a high school wrestling coach, according to law enforcement sources.

The Los Angeles Times on Friday quoted one source who said simply: 'It was sex.'

Another told the paper that Hastert paid more than $1.7 million to cover up what the Times termed 'sexual abuse.'

One of the officials said the 'Individual A' described in Hastert's federal indictment is a man and that the sexual misconduct allegedly occurred long before the former House speaker's political career – in the timeframe when he was a high school history wrestling and football coach.

'It goes back a long way, back to then,' the source told the Times. 'It has nothing to do with public corruption or a corruption scandal. Or to his time in office.'

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Dennis Hastert Teacher 1966nYorkville High School, Yorkville, ILnCredit: Seth Poppel/Yearbook Library

Former US House Speaker Dennis Hastert was a young high school wrestling coach (left, shown in a 1966 yearbook photo) when he committed sexual misconduct that has cost him millions to cover up, according to law enforcement sources. Hastert (right, in February) was indicted Thursday on federal charges including making false statements to the FBI

SPEAKER: Hastert (right, shown with Rep. Nancy Pelosi in 2005) led the House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007

SPEAKER: Hastert (right, shown with Rep. Nancy Pelosi in 2005) led the House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007

This Oct. 25, 1975 photo shows Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (top left) and then-Illinois State University wrestling coach Larry Meyer (top right) watching a wrestling demonstration at a clinic in Bloomington, Ill.

This Oct. 25, 1975 photo shows Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (top left) and then-Illinois State University wrestling coach Larry Meyer (top right) watching a wrestling demonstration at a clinic in Bloomington, Ill.

In addition to the public humiliation of an unsealed felony indictment, Hastert lost his lucrative lobbying job on Thursday.

On its face, the criminal case charges that he knowingly made illegal bank withdrawals in a pattern of amounts just small enough to avoid triggering federal reporting requirements.

But beneath the surface now lurks a sex scandal that could change how Hastert is remembered by history.

Appearing Friday on MSNBC, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said she was 'surprised' at the latest revelations and called it a 'sad' episode for Congress.

'When Mr. Hastert was the speaker, our run for winning the house in '06 was to say that we were running against a culture or corruption cronyism and incompetence,' she said.

'At the time there were many indictments but we had no idea that that would include the speaker of the house.'

Guessing what kind of secret Hastert had been hiding quickly became a parlor game on Thursday and Friday among Washington insiders who know the former speaker.

As with the Los Angeles Times' sources, none of them who spoke with Daily Mail Online would agree to the publications of their names.

'It has to be something about the wrestling coaching in the '60s and '70s,' said one Republican House aide who has been on Capitol Hill since Hastert's first days as House speaker.

A FOLEY LINK? Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace while Hastert was speaker, after lurid texts and emails he sent to young male congressional pages were discovered – and Hastert allegedly sat on the information for months

A FOLEY LINK? Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace while Hastert was speaker, after lurid texts and emails he sent to young male congressional pages were discovered – and Hastert allegedly sat on the information for months

404ed: Hastert's name and biography were stripped on Thursday from the website of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, the lawyer-lobbyist firm where he worked since 2008

404ed: Hastert's name and biography were stripped on Thursday from the website of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, the lawyer-lobbyist firm where he worked since 2008

The married 73-year-old former legislator's criminal charging document describes payments of $1.7 million in hush money to a person who lived in Yorkville, Illinois, the town where he coached and taught high school history.

Including those details, according to one federal prosecutor, was a likely clue to the nature of the 'prior misconduct' Hastert was trying to cover up.

'The feds don't put superfluous facts in an indictment,' Jeffrey Cramer told the Chicago Tribune. 'If it's in there, it's relevant.'

'Individual A has been a resident of Yorkville, Illinois, and has known defendant JOHN DENNIS HASTERT most of Individual A's life,' Thursday's indictment reads.

Cramer said Hastert's deep, dark secret could be devastating, given the size of the alleged payoff.

'$3.5 million is a lot of money to keep a secret hidden,' he told the Tribune.

'Ten bucks says this is blowback from the Mark Foley thing,' a second Capitol Hill aide added Friday in a conversation with Daily Mail Online.

That's a reference to a scandal that dogged Hastert while he was the most powerful member of the House of Representatives.

HIDING A SECRET: It has emerged from law enforcement sources that Hastert's sexual 'abuse' of a minor during his coaching years led to the hush-money payments that put him in legal jeopardy

HIDING A SECRET: It has emerged from law enforcement sources that Hastert's sexual 'abuse' of a minor during his coaching years led to the hush-money payments that put him in legal jeopardy

THROW THE BUMS OUT: Hastert presided over the House during the period when President Bill Clinton survived a party-line vote in the US Senate following his impeachment by the House

THROW THE BUMS OUT: Hastert presided over the House during the period when President Bill Clinton survived a party-line vote in the US Senate following his impeachment by the House

VINTAGE: Hastert is shown in 1985 when he was a member of the Illinois General Assembly

VINTAGE: Hastert is shown in 1985 when he was a member of the Illinois General Assembly

In September 2006, then-Rep. Mark Foley of Florida resigned in the wake of revelations that he had sent sexually explicit emails and text messages to young male congressional pages.

Hastert originally claimed he learned about the misconduct from news reports but later issued a statement acknowledging that he knew in late 2005 after staffers and other Republicans in leadership roles warned him personally about the problem.

In the intervening months, Foley was allowed to co-chair a congressional caucus group focused on missing and exploited children.

The bipartisan House Ethics Committee later ruled that Hastert was 'willfully ignorant' as the scandal unfolded.

'Why did he cover that up?' the second House staffer asked on Friday. 'Did he have a similar problem with a gay thing, and was he afraid of what would happen to him if he outed Foley?'

But the Associated Press spoke with David Corwin, whose son wrestled for Hastert at Yorkville.

'You won't get anyone to say anything bad about him out here,' he said. 'Everybody loved him. The kids loved him and they still do.'

Dickstein Shapiro, the firm where Hastert had worked since 2008, dropped his name and biography from its website within an hour of the announcement that a federal grand jury had charged him with two felonies.

Hastert was previously co-leader of the firm's public policy and political law practice. The firm's website had previously noted that as a member of the Illinois General Assembly he 'spearheaded legislation on child abuse prevention.'

He now faces two charges, each of which could send him to prison for five years and cost him $250,000 in fines.

GLORY DAYS: Hastert was close with fellow former speaker Newt Gingrich

GLORY DAYS: Hastert was close with fellow former speaker Newt Gingrich

Hastert was third in the presidential order of succession but now could go to prison for a decade

Hastert was third in the presidential order of succession but now could go to prison for a decade

Federal prosecutors in Chicago say he structured the withdrawal of $952,000 in cash in order to evade the requirement that banks report cash transactions over $10,000.

He allegedly paid $1.7 million out of an agreed-upon $3.5 million amount to the mysterious 'Individual A' in order to 'compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct.'

The indictment alleges that beginning in June 2010 Hastert withdrew $50,000 at a time and handed it over at six-week intervals.

Two years later he switched to making withdrawals of less than $10,000.

That's the cutoff point above which banks must file 'Currency Transaction Reports' with the federal government.

The grand jury charged him with pulling money out of at least four separate banks on 106 different occasions, and lying to the FBI about it.

In December 2014, according to the government, 'Hastert falsely stated that he was keeping the cash.'

The Justice Department quoted him telling FBI agents: 'Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing.'

He had allegedly told them that he didn't trust banks and meant to store his wealth on his own.

The federal indictment does not explicitly say Hastert was being blackmailed or extorted, but does describe how investigators tried to determine whether he 'was the victim of a criminal extortion related to, among other matters, his prior positions in government.'

In addition to leaving his lobbying job with Dickstein Shapiro, Hastert resigned Thursday from the board of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

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#91. To: misterwhite, Fred Mertz (#52)

"Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?"

That's what I was thinking. Unless "the victim" stated he was going to the police and Hastert offered money to change his mind.

But that's still blackmail, I think.

Technically they can be charged,but not in reality because the government needs them to testify against Hassert,so you know there has been a deal made to drop any and all blackmail charges in exchange for testimony.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-30   14:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: SOSO (#53)

Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?

The (Country Club) Republicans.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-30   14:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

I don't care what people did 35 years ago.

You don't care about the purges and murders committed by the Nazi's,Soviets,and the ChiComs?

Hey! It was just child rape,right? If we start taking that sort of thing seriously,priests won't be able to lead Cub Scout meetings.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-30   14:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: sneakypete (#91)

Illinois legislators put on hold a proposal to spend $500,000 to put a statue in the state Capitol honoring Hastert. He had declined the offer about a month ago, a spokesman for state House Speaker Michael Madigan said.

On Friday, Hastert resigned from the board of the J. Dennis Hastert Center for Economics, Government and Public Policy at his alma mater, Wheaton College, a small, evangelical Christian college in the Chicago suburbs.

www.latimes.com/nation/la...nduct-20150529-story.html

Man, the more I read the more stunning this news is about the longest serving Republican Speaker of the House.

Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   14:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Fred Mertz (#94)

Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.

Sadly we get multiple reminders of this every day.

Thoroughly corrupt from top to bottom,and there isn't a damn thing we can do to change it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-30   14:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: nolu chan (#5)

$3.5 mil? Damn! It'd have been cheaper to just make the guy disappear like the Clintons would have done.

Logsplitter  posted on  2015-05-30   15:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Logsplitter (#96)

Right. A $10K hitman would be a lot cheaper.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-30   15:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: misterwhite (#71) (Edited)

?

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-05-30   15:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: SOSO, Liberator, A K A Stone (#75)

When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away.

Does this mean Pericles daddy isn't coming back?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-30   15:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone, Pericles (#99)

When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away.

Does this mean Pericles daddy isn't coming back?

LOL. Nasty!

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   16:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: SOSO, vicomte13, pericles, sneakpete (#53)

Tell what were the impeachment charges being leveled at Nixon? How do those charges stack againt Clinton committing perjury and obstructing justice? Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?

Clinton was asked and he lied about a PRIVATE matter in questions that gentlemen should not ask in public of other men.

You should have impeached Clinton for continuing the war in Yugoslavia AFTER congress refused to pass authorization. Ron Paul even sued the WH on that matter along with several Republicans and Democrats.

Nixon was involved in breaking the law on PUBLIC MATTERS that deal with the running of the republic.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-30   16:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: CZ82, SOSO, Liberator, A K A Stone (#99)

If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-30   16:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Pericles (#102)

coward

Is that why you vote for Leftists?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-30   16:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: CZ82 (#103) (Edited)

coward

Is that why you vote for Leftists?

You have no idea who I vote for. But I am glad I am no longer a Republican. Who would want to be in the same party with trash like you? But you are still a woman for talking behind a man's back. You are not worthy of being called a man.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-30   16:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Pericles (#102)

Now if I was talking "to you" and would have said "Pericles, is your Daddy leaving for good or is he just having a hissy fit???" then I would have pinged you. But since I was just talking "about you" I didn't see the need.

Now if you have a problem with that then you might want to take it up with someone who actually gives a schitt! Which means that you would have to go elsewhere to have that discussion. Entender la perra?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-30   16:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Pericles (#104)

Who would want to be in the same party with trash like you?

Boy you Leftists have no manners whatsoever, oh wait I know what it is...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-30   16:38:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: CZ82 (#105) (Edited)

You are talking about me behind my back and bringing in parents and you do not have the balls to do so directly to the person you are talking about. What kind of man or Christian are you? Neither is the correct answer. You are just trash. And you know you are. The problem with the modern conservatives is they brought in toe picking, ill mannered, uneducated trash like you into the party.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-30   16:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: ebonytwix (#98)

I said, in that scenario, my wife would advise me not to pay.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-30   17:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Pericles (#107)

Grow up...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-30   17:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Fred Mertz (#94)

Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.

Of course it is. You can tell by all the manufactured civil unrest and foreign wars.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-30   19:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Pericles, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone (#102)

If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.

F*ck you, you lying scumbag. Look at #100. And I didn't even mention you but had the courtesy to include you in my response BECAUSE you were mentioned by another. You are a total sh*tbag.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   22:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Pericles, vicomte13, sneakpete (#101)

Clinton was asked and he lied about a PRIVATE matter in questions that gentlemen should not ask in public of other men.

You are a total moron.

Clinton committed the crime of obstruction of justice while as a sitting President. Further he abused the power of his office to get Monica to blow him. He also used the public's Oval House to get his jollies off all over Monica. Then he utilized his office to agin access to public TV airways to lie to the nation about what he did.

You also are an ignorant total moron. The first impeachment charge agianst Nixon was......wait for it.........Obstruction of Justice.........that's right, dickhead, the same as for Clinton. The second charge was Abuse of Power, something that everyone knows Clinton was guilty of to get his dick in Monica's mouth, his subordinate. The third charge against Nixon was Defiance of Subpeona for ignoring a subpeona for a duly lawful and authorized entity, something that Obama did while a sitting President.

You asswipe liberal sh*ts are corrupt to the core, the most hypocritical turds ever.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-30   22:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: SOSO, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone (#111)

Pericles, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.

F*ck you, you lying scumbag. Look at #100. And I didn't even mention you but had the courtesy to include you in my response BECAUSE you were mentioned by another. You are a total sh*tbag.

You are too stupid to realize I pinged all who were in the original - as is protocol.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-31   1:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: SOSO (#112) (Edited)

linton committed the crime of obstruction of justice while as a sitting President.

Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. He was acquitted by the senate. So therefore Clinton DID NOT commit the crimes in question.

The Clinton accusations arose from questioning a married man about his extra-marital affair. No one's business. Are you peeping toms? Nixon's alleged crimes were over election and vote manipulations. That is everyone's business.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-31   1:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: A K A Stone (#74)

Just because some were appointed by Republicans. Doesn't mean Republicans enacted Roe vs Wade. There were members of both parties. Blackman was Nixon's fourth choice. That doesn't mean Republicans expected him to make that evil decision.

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)

Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R

Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more.
Burger (D)
Marshall (D)
Powell (D)
Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion.
Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion.
Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion.

Dissenting justices: 1D, 1R

White (D) filed a dissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist joined.
Rehnquist (R) filed a dissenting opinion.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-31   18:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: nolu chan, Vicomte13 (#115)

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)

Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R

Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more. Burger (D) Marshall (D) Powell (D) Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion. Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion. Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion. Dissenting justices: 1D, 1R

White (D) filed a dissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist joined. Rehnquist (R) filed a dissenting opinion.

False witness or you just don't remember? Because you spouted this so many times.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-31   18:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Logsplitter (#96)

$3.5 mil? Damn! It'd have been cheaper to just make the guy disappear like the Clintons would have done.

Perhaps there was evidence he could not make disappear.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-31   21:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Pericles (#113) (Edited)

as is protocol.

So you also act as the self appointed Internet protocol meister to go along with your other duties as wanna be (how gauche) Internet tough guy, you sure stay busy for someone on the dole Godwinson!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-01   7:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: CZ82 (#118) (Edited)

It's common curtesy, like not picking your toes in public, Jethro.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-01   8:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: A K A Stone (#116)

Stone, you did not do your research. You called me out as a liar, but you're wrong.

You listed a whole bunch of Republican appointees as Democrats. Now hear the truth:

Here is the makeup up the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court, with the names and political affiliations of the Presidents who appointed them:

Majority Opinion: (5 Republican and 2 Democrat Appointees) Harry A. Blackmun (Nixon - Republican) William J. Brennan (Eisenhower - Republican) Lewis F. Powell Jr. (Nixon - Republican) Thurgood Marshall (LBJ - Democrat) Warren Burger, (Nixon - Republican) William Orville Douglas, (FDR - Democrat) Potter Stewart (Eisenhower - Republican)

Dissenting (one Republican and one Democrat appointee): William H. Rehnquist, (Nixon - Republican) Byron White (Kennedy - Democrat)

Six Republican appointees. Three Democrats - and one of the Democrats was in dissent.

The Republican Party gave us Roe v. Wade, just like I said.

Roe wasn't the only abortion opinion. Casey was also an abortion opinion, which extended Roe. The Casey Court was a Republican court, and included two Reagan appointees who voted for it.

The Republican Party OWNS Roe. They owned the Supreme Court that decided it. They owned the Supreme Court that expanded it. And they have owned the Supreme Court every day since Roe was decided.

Republicans have ALWAYS HAD THE POWER to strike down that decision since the day that they wrote Roe. The entire Supreme Court has been replaced since then, mostly by Republicans, and yet Roe stands.

Democrats always impose a litmus test on THEIR judges, but Republicans, INCLUDING REAGAN, run as "pro-life" but then APPOINT pro-choice justice after pro-choice justice: O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter...Harriet Miers, had she not been blocked.

It's just like the Mexican Border. Sure, they TALK an endless game of pro- life and immigration control, to get your vote. But they dupe you every time, and then screw you when they get power. They've been doing it for 40 years, and they'll keep doing it.

I'm telling you the truth, but you're so partisan, you treat ME as an enemy for pointing out the truth. You've been HAD by the Republicans, and if you looked with clear and open eyes, you would see it.

Instead, you act like an abused woman who defends her abuser and hisses at people who tells her to open her eyes.

You have been DUPED by Republican leaders, including Reagan, who were NEVER pro-life, except to get your vote (Reagan signed California's abortion law and put two pro-aborts on the Supreme Court), and who were ALWAYS open- border types (Reagan gave the amnesty, and the Bushes kept the Borders wide open). On issue after issue they lie to you, yet like an abused woman you return to them loyally and hiss and strike at anybody who tells you the truth.

For my part, I'm just sick of it. I did see your post, and decided to reply by rounding on you and hitting you right in the face, calling you directly out for bullshit, and providing the facts.

If you're smart, you'll LEARN from this and SEE that you are, in fact, a partisan DUPE.

You really believe that the Democrats are the root of all evil, to the point that you just made up these affiliations - the Presidents who appointed the justices are a matter of public record. You didn't care. You were so hard over to assert that I was lying that you went ahead and posted a heap of steaming bullshit, to prove a point.

And you were wrong on the facts. A Supreme Court full of REPUBLICAN APPOINTEES gave you Roe, and another one full of REPUBLICAN APPOINTEES gave you Casey.

And even though you've just been corrected and taught the reality that you could have known, but chose not to, you're not going to learn a goddamned thing. You'll remain a stubborn Republican, believing your fantasies and flinging poop at anybody who touches a nerve.

Well, I told you the truth, and have all along. And like Democrats, you blind Republicans simply will not listen to the truth. You prefer to make up your own facts.

I looked back at this site to answer somebody's e-mail and saw your post. And decided that I would not leave with you having accused me of lies. So I re-established the truth, one last time, the same truth I said all along.

I won't see what you write back. I'm never logging onto this site again.

You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-01   9:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Vicomte13 (#120)

Is this list inaccurate?

Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R

Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more. Burger (D) Marshall (D) Powell (D) Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion. Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion. Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   17:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Vicomte13 (#120)

. You called me out as a liar, but you're wrong.

I also left the possibility that you were mistaken. Sorry for the words I chose.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   17:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Vicomte13, nolu chan (#120)

For my part, I'm just sick of it. I did see your post, and decided to reply by rounding on you and hitting you right in the face, calling you directly out for bullshit, and providing the facts.

On the facts. Chan provided a list for roe vs wads. You just said they were mostly Republicans. Can you provide a list to refute the one chan posted?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   17:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Vicomte13 (#120)

I won't see what you write back. I'm never logging onto this site again.

You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field.

You also said all the Republican leadership was perverts. That was not true. I'll take it that you just don't remember correctly.

Take care.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   17:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Vicomte13 (#120)

You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field.

You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   17:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: A K A Stone (#125)

You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right.

He sounds like you.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-01   20:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Fred Mertz (#126)

You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right. He sounds like you.

Yep.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-01   20:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#127)

Well, I'm sorry he left in such a huff. I suggested he take a break and come back refreshed and not heated like he apparently is today.

He was one of the most thoughtful posters here on this site. I'm sorry he departed and would like to see him return one day.

You ran war off too. Oh, well.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-01   20:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#123)

On the facts. Chan provided a list for roe vs wads. You just said they were mostly Republicans. Can you provide a list to refute the one chan posted?

I did not provide a list based on the party affiliation of the appointing president. My list is based on the party affiliation of the justices, as indicated in Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, page 1654, for the court of 1972-1975.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-02   3:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#123)

I inadvertently listed Justice Burger as (D) in error. He was (R) and was so listed in Black's Law Dictionary.

The Court contained 6 nominees by Republican presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan.

It contained 3 nominees by Democrat presidents FDR, JFK, and LBJ.

Justice Powell was a Democrat nominated by Republican Nixon.

Justice Brennan was a Democrat nominated by Republican Eisenhower.

The Court contained 5 Democrat justices and 4 Republican justices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackmun
(R) Eisenhower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_E._Burger
(R) Nixon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgood_Marshall
(D) LBJ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell,_Jr.
(D) Nixon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O._Douglas
(D) FDR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan,_Jr.
(D) Eisenhower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_Stewart
(R) Eisenhower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_White
(D) JFK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rehnquist
(R) Reagan

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-02   13:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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