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Title: 'It was sex': Law enforcement says Dennis Hastert hush-money scandal is about sexual misconduct with a male during his years as a high school wrestling coach
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... is-town-coached-wrestling.html
Published: May 29, 2015
Author: David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-05-29 16:14:24 by cranky
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Former U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert's hush-money scandal stems from sexual misconduct he committed during the years he was a high school wrestling coach, according to law enforcement sources. The Los Angeles Times on Friday quoted one source who said simply: 'It was sex.' Another told the paper that Hastert paid more than $1.7 million to cover up what the Times termed 'sexual abuse.' One of the officials said the 'Individual A' described in Hastert's federal indictment is a man and that the sexual misconduct allegedly occurred long before the former House speaker's political career – in the timeframe when he was a high school history wrestling and football coach. 'It goes back a long way, back to then,' the source told the Times. 'It has nothing to do with public corruption or a corruption scandal. Or to his time in office.' SCROLL DOWN FOR VIDEO AND TO READ THE INDICTMENT Former US House Speaker Dennis Hastert was a young high school wrestling coach (left, shown in a 1966 yearbook photo) when he committed sexual misconduct that has cost him millions to cover up, according to law enforcement sources. Hastert (right, in February) was indicted Thursday on federal charges including making false statements to the FBI SPEAKER: Hastert (right, shown with Rep. Nancy Pelosi in 2005) led the House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007 This Oct. 25, 1975 photo shows Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (top left) and then-Illinois State University wrestling coach Larry Meyer (top right) watching a wrestling demonstration at a clinic in Bloomington, Ill. In addition to the public humiliation of an unsealed felony indictment, Hastert lost his lucrative lobbying job on Thursday. On its face, the criminal case charges that he knowingly made illegal bank withdrawals in a pattern of amounts just small enough to avoid triggering federal reporting requirements. But beneath the surface now lurks a sex scandal that could change how Hastert is remembered by history. Appearing Friday on MSNBC, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said she was 'surprised' at the latest revelations and called it a 'sad' episode for Congress. 'When Mr. Hastert was the speaker, our run for winning the house in '06 was to say that we were running against a culture or corruption cronyism and incompetence,' she said. 'At the time there were many indictments but we had no idea that that would include the speaker of the house.' Guessing what kind of secret Hastert had been hiding quickly became a parlor game on Thursday and Friday among Washington insiders who know the former speaker. As with the Los Angeles Times' sources, none of them who spoke with Daily Mail Online would agree to the publications of their names. 'It has to be something about the wrestling coaching in the '60s and '70s,' said one Republican House aide who has been on Capitol Hill since Hastert's first days as House speaker. A FOLEY LINK? Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace while Hastert was speaker, after lurid texts and emails he sent to young male congressional pages were discovered – and Hastert allegedly sat on the information for months 404ed: Hastert's name and biography were stripped on Thursday from the website of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, the lawyer-lobbyist firm where he worked since 2008 The married 73-year-old former legislator's criminal charging document describes payments of $1.7 million in hush money to a person who lived in Yorkville, Illinois, the town where he coached and taught high school history. Including those details, according to one federal prosecutor, was a likely clue to the nature of the 'prior misconduct' Hastert was trying to cover up. 'The feds don't put superfluous facts in an indictment,' Jeffrey Cramer told the Chicago Tribune. 'If it's in there, it's relevant.' 'Individual A has been a resident of Yorkville, Illinois, and has known defendant JOHN DENNIS HASTERT most of Individual A's life,' Thursday's indictment reads. Cramer said Hastert's deep, dark secret could be devastating, given the size of the alleged payoff. '$3.5 million is a lot of money to keep a secret hidden,' he told the Tribune. 'Ten bucks says this is blowback from the Mark Foley thing,' a second Capitol Hill aide added Friday in a conversation with Daily Mail Online. That's a reference to a scandal that dogged Hastert while he was the most powerful member of the House of Representatives. HIDING A SECRET: It has emerged from law enforcement sources that Hastert's sexual 'abuse' of a minor during his coaching years led to the hush-money payments that put him in legal jeopardy THROW THE BUMS OUT: Hastert presided over the House during the period when President Bill Clinton survived a party-line vote in the US Senate following his impeachment by the House VINTAGE: Hastert is shown in 1985 when he was a member of the Illinois General Assembly In September 2006, then-Rep. Mark Foley of Florida resigned in the wake of revelations that he had sent sexually explicit emails and text messages to young male congressional pages. Hastert originally claimed he learned about the misconduct from news reports but later issued a statement acknowledging that he knew in late 2005 after staffers and other Republicans in leadership roles warned him personally about the problem. In the intervening months, Foley was allowed to co-chair a congressional caucus group focused on missing and exploited children. The bipartisan House Ethics Committee later ruled that Hastert was 'willfully ignorant' as the scandal unfolded. 'Why did he cover that up?' the second House staffer asked on Friday. 'Did he have a similar problem with a gay thing, and was he afraid of what would happen to him if he outed Foley?' But the Associated Press spoke with David Corwin, whose son wrestled for Hastert at Yorkville. 'You won't get anyone to say anything bad about him out here,' he said. 'Everybody loved him. The kids loved him and they still do.' Dickstein Shapiro, the firm where Hastert had worked since 2008, dropped his name and biography from its website within an hour of the announcement that a federal grand jury had charged him with two felonies. Hastert was previously co-leader of the firm's public policy and political law practice. The firm's website had previously noted that as a member of the Illinois General Assembly he 'spearheaded legislation on child abuse prevention.' He now faces two charges, each of which could send him to prison for five years and cost him $250,000 in fines. GLORY DAYS: Hastert was close with fellow former speaker Newt Gingrich Hastert was third in the presidential order of succession but now could go to prison for a decade Federal prosecutors in Chicago say he structured the withdrawal of $952,000 in cash in order to evade the requirement that banks report cash transactions over $10,000. He allegedly paid $1.7 million out of an agreed-upon $3.5 million amount to the mysterious 'Individual A' in order to 'compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct.' The indictment alleges that beginning in June 2010 Hastert withdrew $50,000 at a time and handed it over at six-week intervals. Two years later he switched to making withdrawals of less than $10,000. That's the cutoff point above which banks must file 'Currency Transaction Reports' with the federal government. The grand jury charged him with pulling money out of at least four separate banks on 106 different occasions, and lying to the FBI about it. In December 2014, according to the government, 'Hastert falsely stated that he was keeping the cash.' The Justice Department quoted him telling FBI agents: 'Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing.' He had allegedly told them that he didn't trust banks and meant to store his wealth on his own. The federal indictment does not explicitly say Hastert was being blackmailed or extorted, but does describe how investigators tried to determine whether he 'was the victim of a criminal extortion related to, among other matters, his prior positions in government.' In addition to leaving his lobbying job with Dickstein Shapiro, Hastert resigned Thursday from the board of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. 
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
He was part of the crew that sought to hang Clinton high for lying about a blowjob. As you measure out, so shall you be measured. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Total BS. This was nothing more than a shot across the bow of anyone who continues to pursue the corrpution of the Clintons, especially their so-called charitable Foundation. Remember Hillary have the FBI records of just about everyone. The clear message is if you pursue this we will get our revenge AND we know what you did. They are pure scum, as are just about all of the Democrats that cover for each other.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Of course, what else other than molesting underage school kids would be worth millions of dollars to cover up?
The GOP is trying to out-gay the Clinton's. They may need to bring in Mitt to help boost the queerness. Pander to atheists, pander to queers, pander to minorities, pander to communists.... repeat.
Published on May 29, 2015 Yesterday’s stunning indictment against former House Speaker Dennis Hastert had few official details on the circumstances surrounding it, but enough to infer that it had something to do with his time as a high school wrestling coach. New evidence — as well as a creepy C-SPAN video — hints at something far more salacious, and as much as we hate to admit it, when it comes to prominent political figures, we love salacious. The former Republican lawmaker was charged yesterday of attempting to structure nearly a million dollars in cash withdrawals to avoid reporting them to the IRS, as well as lying to the FBI when questioned about the nature of the withdrawals. According to the indictment, he had agreed to pay an unknown individual $3.5 million “in order to compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct,” and that the person, named as “Individual A,” was someone from Yorkville, Il., who’d known Hastert for “most of Individual A’s life.” Observers quickly noted that the official indictment went out of its way to identify Hastert’s former job as a high school teacher and wrestling coach in Yorkville, where he worked between 1965 to 1981. BuzzFeed spoke to one of Hastert’s colleagues, former Yorktown High School teacher Maria Steiner, who observed that Hastert was more focused on his work as a wrestling coach than teaching. “He would show movies in his class while he worked on wrestling stuff,” she recalled. And then this video popped up from Hastert’s Nov. 13, 2014 appearance on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal, in which a man identifying himself as “Bruce” asked Hastert: “Do you remember me from Yorkville?” He then cackled and hung up, leaving Hastert visibly uncomfortable. (The indictment said that Individual A had started meeting Hastert in 2010, and Hastert started making payments to that individual shortly thereafter.) BuzzFeed also reported that at the request of Hastert’s lawyers, the U.S. Attorney’s office agreed to withhold the “explicit” details from the indictment that concerned why Hastert agreed to pay Individual A $3.5 million in hush money. But at this point, we can’t stop people from jumping to conclusions.
Yes, that's right. If you're going to go after people about sex, you had better be perfect. If you're imperfect, it will be found out, and you will be destroyed for you own sins, because YOUR allies are intolerant (and, it would seem, wracked with guilty consciences about their past sexual sins). The answer is simple; leave private sexual matters private. Go after financial impropriety. Go after stupidity. Go after corruption. But go after private sex lives, throw stones there, and you had better be sinless, because if you're not, you're going to go down under the stones too. I believe that the strategic term for this is Mutually Assured Destruction…but with a difference. The liberal side is tolerant, so they won't actually destroy a person for sexual peccadilloes, But the conservative hypocrites will. So, the net result is that the conservatives TRY to destroy liberals over sex, expose their darkest secrets, and liberals, like the French, yawn, and then focus on the people who were crass enough to try to take people down using their sexual sins. And then comes the revenge. And conservatives will always eat their own. Net result: the conservatives charge into the guns again and again and get destroyed by the very charges they TRY to bring against liberals. Republicans fight politics like they fight wars: stupidly. And they lose. There is a way out of the suicide trap: leave people's sex lives alone. If you refuse to do that, then expect to see the conservatives continue to be destroyed on this battlefield forever, because they are just as sexually impure as Democrats, but they are also stupid piranhas who eat their own. If you want to keep losing, choose this particular ground on which to fight. Your champions are as sinful as your opponents, but your opponents are much more forgiving of their own than your side is. Barney Frank didn't hide who he was. And he retired. Hastert hid who he was, paid millions in hush money, and is going to jail anyway, for a crime committed so long ago that the statute of limitations ran long ago. Dumb. That's a high price to pay in order to be a hypocrite. Far better to be honest. Or, if you live in a glass house and CAN'T be honest, to not throw stones.
Vengeful, power mad people will use whatever they have at their disposal. In the SLickster's case he committed perjury will in office. That's why he was impeached and justifiably so. The Democrats covered his ass. The Clintons are infamous for there ruthfulness in destroying their opposition, one does not even need to be an enemy to be vicously attacked by them. This is undeniable. "Barney Frank didn't hide who he was." Bwanney Fwank washeld to account becuase he was gay but rather for sheltering his live in lover prostitute who made Fwank's home his brothel. There was a 10- month probe found that Fwank did not know about his lover's business activities in his home but that concluded that Fwank should be reprimanded for use of House privilege in waiving 33 of his lover's parking tickets and for writing a memo that attempted to end lover's probation for a prior infraction. The corruption was not the sexual activity but the abuse of power in both cases and perjury ans subborning of perjury in Clinton's case. Stop being a one trick (wrong trick at that) pony on this. What has just happened to Hastert is clearly a Democrat action to warn everyone to layoff the Clintons over their Foundation and Hillary's abuse of power will Sec. of State - as well as all of the other abuses of power by both of them.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Are you kidding? Have you been living in a cave?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Are you kidding? Have you been living in a cave?
What has just happened to Hastert is clearly a Democrat action to warn everyone to layoff the Clintons over their Foundation and Hillary's abuse of power will Sec. of State - as well as all of the other abuses of power by both of them. Are you kidding? Not at all. The Clintons have dirt on just about everyone, as does Obama. She illegally had FBI files in her possession more than long enough to copy them. Wise up.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Hastert molested a minor boy, or sodomized him, and it was severe enough for him to pay millions in hush money. That's far worse than committing perjury to thwart a Republican witch hunt over a blow job, or abusing privilege. It's orders of magnitude worse. Hastert was Speaker who went after Clinton and impeached him over a ginned up charge. The Republicans tried to strike at the king based on bullshit, and they lost. And now comes vengeance: mutually assured destruction. Gingrinch, Vitter, Craig, Hastert - the leadership that went after Clinton over a trumped-up triviality were defeated politically in their effort, but then THEIR sins were exposed and used to destroy them. Seems like justice to me. The government does not belong in people's sex lives. It has no right to ask questions about people's sex lives. When it does, I myself want to see the Inquisitioners personally destroyed, as they have been, as a warning to everybody else: touch THAT rail, and you will not only politically die, but you will be personally destroyed. Every Republican who ginned up the impeachment for lying about a blow job needs to be personally held up to excruciating scrutiny, and if they are not sexually pure, they need to be skinned in public, one by one, as a warning to all politicians: do not ever do that again - not the sex, the witch hunt. THEY started the war, and they lost, and now they are going to all be destroyed one by one. And that's good. They should not have started the war. Hypocrites, and losers. Hastert is getting what's coming to him, like Craig, Vitter and Gingrinch. Go after somebody else's sex life, and you had better be perfect, because if you're not, you're going to be annihilated. And most of us will cheer at your destruction. Leave people alone. Especially in sex. If you can't, then prepare to die. Because we're going to lynch you. God is the judge of man on these matters, not man. If a man arrogates that power of judgment to himself on matters of personal sex, then that man had better be pure and perfect, because if he isn't, he's going to be torn limb from limb - and deserve it.
No, I am not kidding. It's simple: Republicans attacked Clinton over his private sex life. Sex lives are off limits. Sure, you can make a scandal about it, you can embarrass and speechify. But they went past that. They ginned up an investigation, and then they ginned up an IMPEACHMENT, to remove a sitting President, for lying about a consensual blow job. It was an utter abuse of power over a trivial personal matter. The Republicans deployed for battle on THAT ground - and they lost. The public did not back them, because the GOP had gone into the fever swamps. For the first time in a century the out-of-power party LOST seats in the mid-terms. The political defeat was immediate. And then comes the reckoning. The revenge. Republican politicians who have no sexual sins have nothing to fear, right? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. Oh, but they DO have something to hide. Salacious things, horrible things. And so one by one those men who attempted to stage a coup over a blow job, who abused the Constitution by bringing an IMPEACHMENT, to remove a popular elected President, over a sexual peccadillo…one by one their own vile sins are exposed, and they are wiped out. They were living in cave if they thought they were going to get off Scot free, given their own sexual sins, for trying to lynch another man for his.
He didn't just lie, he committed perjury while a sitting President - something that he was convicted of in an Arkansas court. And if it were anyone but Slick Willie, especially a Republican, the Democrats and their political devotees such as Feminist and the MSM, would have screamed that this was clearly sexual harassment by a person in a direct position of power over a subordinate.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You need to get your facts straight. "William Jefferson Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice......................" And he was guilty of both but the dishonorable Demcocrats protected him even though they knew he was guilty as charged.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
All I can say to your sense of values is WOW!! Clinton got away with rape. And he had his hired hit people do everything to destroy his victims. "Hastert molested a minor boy, or sodomized him, and it was severe enough for him to pay millions in hush money." BTW, so far this is only an allegation. Another Democratic rush to judgment?
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Neither of you find the timing of this strange. The alleged action happened decades ago yet the demand for money by the alleged victim only recently? And on the heels of the revelations about Clinton Cash and the timing og Hillary's announcement to run? Riiiiiiiiight....................................................
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
A high school wrasslin coach that likes to fondle young boys? Who is ever going to believe that? Who did he think he was anyhow,a priest? BTW,this helps to illustrate my point about homosexuals being prime candidates for corruption in public office because they are easy to blackmail. Bring them out of the closet and remove the threat of blackmail causing them to lose their jobs,and this danger goes away.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Or at least that was the image he wanted the public to believe. Who knows what he was working on in the background and what deals he was cutting with the Dims in order to not be outed himself?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Pretty much anything that would or could keep a politician from being re-elected. Personal power is the worlds most addictive drug. Once people gain it,they never seem to be willing to let it go.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nah,they already have Lady Lindsey. Mitt's job is to draw attention away from her.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yes,he did. He was even married. He was outed when his live-in boyfriend was busted for running a homosexual prostitution ring out of Fran's condo/whatever. Once that happened he pretty much had no choice but to come out so he could explain to the world how he had "No idea dey wuz hooking going on in mah house!" I guess he figured trying to convince him that he didn't know his live-in boyfriend was a homosexual would have been a step too far.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No,it's not. How can you compare humping one teenage boy to humping the whole country,and come out with the decision that a private citizen (at the time) was guilty of a greater crime than the top law enforcement officer in the country,the President,abusing his power and the power of his office to sexually molest dozens of young women and committing perjury and make threats to cover it up?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
ROTFL
That's old news. Let's move on and talk about new news,like Hassert having sex with minors?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It happened right away. The speaker who replaced Gingrich - who also cheated on his wife and had to resign had to step down before the impeachment because he also cheated on his wife. Hastert was picked because he had a clean reputation. Now we know why Hastert was not linked to sleeping with women.
Pete, did you dream of Clinton humping you again? What humping did he do to THE WHOLE COUNTRY?
Thanks for confirming that you really are stupid.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Another RINO shows his true color … while RINO's continue to make more enemies.
Sexual debauchery is quite common in circles of men of high positioning If you don't have a strong moral support system founded in God then it is harder to resist temptation of wicked desires Hell if I was not a Christian I would probably be extremely obese, with self- mutilation scars, and several suicide attempts. (This sounds like someone I know) Just one of those times where you feel like getting scissors and cutting your skin up, or hope you never wake up again. Oh yeah, we're talking about molestation.
EDIT. Man, he got what he deserved. What comes around goes around. This has been around since the ancient day.
Simple - Clinton did not "hump the whole country". Clinton had consensual sex with an adult. The Republicans, who were (legitimately) investigating financial impropriety in Clinton's Arkansas land deals (Whitewater), veered off into a witch hunt about consensual sex. Now, had they stopped there, had they simply embarrassed Clinton, and then exposed his lies to the country, they would have done the maximum political damage to him that any of that sort of thing can do. They would have proven that he was a scumbunk and a liar, and a cheat. He would have been politically toast after that. But no, they had to overreach. They had to gin up an IMPEACHMENT, to try to remove an elected President from office for lying over a blowjob. It was at that point that the Republicans grossly abused their power, and demonstrated to the country that they were political Torquemadas - obsessed, with no sense of perspective, full of hatred, and ready to provoke a constitutional crisis over what are objectively trivialities. Consensual sex between adults is a triviality. That a runaway prosecutor was able to turn a land deal investigation into a n inquest o sexual life was abuse of power. Of course Clinton was going to lie about it. He did. And that lie could certainly have been bandied around politically. He could be held civilly liable, eventually. But to IMPEACH him over it? That was where the Republicans revealed themselves to be a power-obsessed minority, worse than the Democrats (they never IMPEACHED Reagan over Iran-Contra - they merely milked it for everything it was worth politically). So, they staged their little impeachment farce, which Clinton was certainly going to survive. He did. And then the American people passed their judgment on the whole affair and took seats AWAY from the Republicans in a mid-term congressional election for the first time that had happened in a century. And heading up the impeachment farce in the House? Denny Hastert, who had molested or raped a minor boy. So, you've got Clinton committing adultery with an adult, versus Hastert behaving like a Catholic priest. Which is worse? In the eyes of God, they're the same. In the eyes of the law, Hastert and the priests. In the eyes of the country: Hastert and the priests. Only Republicans would try to take their political animus and wave their hands around and scream "CLINTON!" as though the mere invocation of the name they hate and dread is supposed to move everybody in the nation to compare Monica Lewinsky to some boy raped by his coach. They're not comparable. And the fact that Republicans are so filled with blind hatred that they actually think Clinton's crime (lying about consensual sex with an adult) is worse than homosexual child rape shows just how out of touch they are, how obsessive, and why they are not the majority party in America, and won't be. No common sense whatsoever, just judgment-bending hatred.
And the people of his district ignored Frank's sexual proclivities because they did not matter, just as the people ignored Bill Clinton's, because they didn't matter either. The REPUBLICANS refused to ignore Clinton's, and went after him for it, set up a perjury trap, sprung it, and then didn't have the good sense to simply use it to embarrass him. Nope, they had to go Spanish Inquisition and actually try to IMPEACH him over it. They failed. And exposed themselves to vengeance. The Republicans who tried to lynch Clinton for a lie about consensual sex had better be pristine in their sexual morals. Because those who are not will be exposed and destroyed. Mutually Assured Destruction. Republicans have lost, badly, that game, because there are as many scummy, sexually perverse Republicans as Democrats. It was the Republicans who fired the first shot. The American public was not impressed. And now the Republicans who did the shooting have to live with the consequences. If you go after somebody for his sex life, you had better be perfect yourself. And you'd better STAY perfect for the rest of your life. Because if you're not, you're going to be destroyed for you hypocrisy. Count on it.
The Republicans started a war with the impeachment of Clinton. They lost that war, both in Congress, and in the opinion of the American people. Now the Republicans who launched that war are going to be under scrutiny for the rest of their lives, and if any sexual sins are found, they are going to be publicly destroyed for them. Because that's the way it goes in war: Mutually Assured Destruction. The moral is: leave people's private sex lives alone, or sooner or later you will be held accountable for your own. Gingrich, Craig, Vitter, and now Hastert. If you live in a glass house and throw stones, you're a fool. They all did. They threw stones. And their target threw stones back. It doesn't strike me as remotely strange timing. It strikes me as revenge, timed perfectly for maximum effect. Essentially, with the Clinton impeachment the Republicans decided to invade Poland. And now they're unhappy with the results. Too late. Don't care. The men who impeached Clinton will be hounded for the rest of their lives, and destroyed for any sexual imperfections. And they should be.
They IMPEACHED Clinton over a blowjob. They didn't just embarrass him - they IMPEACHED him, provoking a Constitutional crisis. They didn't impeach him for a rape. They impeached him, specifically, for perjury over consensual sex, which perjury was ginned up in the course of a political investigation regarding land deals in Arkansas years before. The could have used the perjury to great political effect. But they went for the jugular: IMPEACHMENT. The American people did not want this impeachment, not over THAT minor infraction - a lie told about consensual sex between adults. It was absurd. But the Republicans didn't CARE. Self-righteous pricks that they are, they struck at the President. And they lost. The loss was inevitable. One could simply count noses in the Senate and see that conviction was impossible. Conviction was impossible, and the people didn't want it. But the Republicans went ahead with a show trial anyway, against the will of the people and against all common sense. And the Republicans leading the charge were all hypocrites. They lost. And now comes the revenge, in which they keep losing. Moral: if you go into other people's bedrooms, you should expect to die. People hate that sort of intrusion. And if you think that politics excuses it - well, ask Gingrich and Vitter, Craig and Hastert if it was worth it in the end. The people forgave Clinton for lying about a blowjob. They won't forgive the Republicans who went through the farce of an impeachment over it. And the bitter-ender Republicans who keep on trying to defend their inexcusable behavior only serve to strengthen the resolve of Democrats, and to remind Independents like me of what obsessive, garbage- rifling scumbags Republicans really are.
Of course they would have. And that's fine. SCREAM about it. Scream to the rooftops. Make a big scene. Make political hay. But DO NOT IMPEACH A SITTING PRESIDENT for lying about consensual sex when the American public tells you not to. If you disregard the public AND your own hands are unclean (as all of the Republican leaders' own hands were, it turns out), then there will be hell to pay, and you will pay it. Hastert lived in a glass house. He threw stones. Now his house is broken. What did he expect? Idiot. Of course YOU'RE going to defend whatever Republicans do, because you're a Republican, and Republicans have demonstrated time and again that they have the same morals as Democrats - which is to say, everything is political. But the difference is that Democrats know where to push, and how far, and where to stop. Republicans are stupider and blunder off cliffs and into Iraq, and then lose.
"...sexual misconduct he committed during the years he was a high school wrestling coach, according to law enforcement sources..." If the "sexual misconduct" involved a child, I would hope that the GOP's 'Mr Speaker" is treated just like Jerry Sandusky. Wouldn't you?
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
As you measure out, so shall you be measured. Live by the sword, die by the sword. I'm not defending Dennis Hastert in the least; He was a disgustingly corrupt reptile before he was a Congressman as well as during. BUT here's an important question: Was Hastert an unrepentant serial molester his *entire life*? This is material because we know that Bubba Klinton has been a serial rapist, molester, traitor, and sell-out of principle during *his* entire life. That said, What exactly do you find objectionable in this case? Is it that Hastert -- a molester of boys as a wrestling coach decades ago -- should be part of the "same crew" to "hang" Klinton for a mere "blow job"? (btw you DO realize that "perjury" was the main charge, among other un-addressed charges like serial RAPE, right?); OR, do you find the notion that justice applied by someone like Hastert should NOT be part of any prosecution? In *that* case, since we are ALL hypocrites, how DARE ANY of us "cast the first stone" and apply justice?? REMINDER: While Bubba Klinton was President of the United States of America *and* Commander-in-Chief, he molested of-age interns, used the People's House as a personal whore-house as he as he engaged in treason and racketeering. While Governor of Arkansas the same Bubba Klinton engaged in rape, blackmail, murder, and drug running. Let us note for the record that the two last Democratic Presidents thoroughly abused the office of Presidency and USCON. But I digress... Ergo, do you still want to compare the relative sins of Hastert and Bubba?? "Live and die by the word," eh? Technically, you've sinned today. You sinned yesterday. And tomorrow you will sin as well. By that criteria shouldn't that very same "sword" and hammer of justice be inevitable for all of us who can't help *but* sin? Your sense of political as well as moral equivalency and justice is disappointingly warped. Your sense of Redemption, Repentance and understanding of Grace are woefully inadequate. (And NO, your Priest and today's per-communion confessional session will NOT make you "clean." EVER. That my friend is a matter of GRACE, and only Grace.)
No. Clinton certainly FUCKED the whole country. For starters when the asswipe baby murderer (that you defend) gave China technololgy so they could target us with nukes more easily.
No they are not. Says who? Come on you are covering up for a piece of shit that steals money from the working people That is what democrats do they steal from people working. Republicans let people working keep more money. You sound like a commie sometimes. Democrats are the party of the rich pieces of shit.
Yeah gay marriage. Rah rah rah. Not......Kick them in the nuts.
Come on you are starting to sound like a democrat moron. If someone lies under oath then you prosecute them.
Did someone hack your account? That isn't the christian view.
You're not going to defend Hastert and rail against the $10,000 reporting requirement?
Yeah shut up about immoral things. Let the democrats resistribute your money. Even though it is stolen money shut up about it. If the democrts do anything wrong. Bleme it on the Republicans and say it will backfire. Lie and say Republicans are for the rich. Even though it is the democrats who are for the rich. That is why they have high payroll taxes. That way you can't ever get rich. You have to pay money. That way the democrats can feed people christ said shouldn't be fed because they refuse to work. Who cares what Jesus said about working and eating. Them democrats are going to take your money you earned (it wasn't really your money anyways) and give it to them poor democrats who can work but won't. God said the fruits of your labor are yours. But Vic and the democrats have a better idea. Go to work. Work hard. Don't save for your kids future. PUt it in the ponzi scheme bucket so deadbeats who don't believe in God can take the money from the people who live godly. Socialism socialsim. That is what the Bible is right? God was a commie. Jesus was a commie. They were all democrats. /idiot speak off.
It doesn't matter. God made him that way right. Faggots are just as good at deciding policy as christians. How dare you judge that faggot who was using his office for fag prostitutes. SOmetimes you sound like you don't have a clue.
It is odd. I mean, Hastert's out of office. Why blackmail him now? Hell, I'd collect evidence of the blackmail (recordings, letters, e-mails), tell him to f**K himself, then use that money to hire lawyers and a PR team to turn this into a he-said-she-said blackmail scheme and press charges.
Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors based on perjury and obstruction of justice. Nothing in the Articles of Impeachment about blowjobs.
Wouldn't you? Well, I would expect him to be treated under the provisions of the laws of the state in which the crime occurred: State of Illinois (b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an action for damages for personal injury based on childhood sexual abuse must be commenced within 20 years of the date the limitation period begins to run under subsection (d) ... I don't believe charges have even been filed yet, and it's been what, 40 years?
Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?
The moral is: Leave Clinton' financial corruptions and abuse of power alone or sooner or later they will make sure that you are accountale for your own as the Democrats continue to give them shelter and enable more of the same.
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It is odd. I mean, Hastert's out of office. Why blackmail him now? ping #50
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That's what I was thinking. Unless "the victim" stated he was going to the police and Hastert offered money to change his mind. But that's still blackmail, I think. Man, that's 3.5 million reasons to fight it. Now the child abuse rumors are out there, Hastert has already given him $1.7 million, plus he now has those FBI charges against him. For something that happened 40 years ago.
Tell what were the impeachment charges being leveled at Nixon? How do those charges stack againt Clinton committing perjury and obstructing justice? Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?
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We had a local high profile case a number of years ago (coach Rick Pitino) - an old girlfriend tried to blackmail/extort money from him. He went to the FBI and she's the one that ended up behind bars. Hastert obviously looks like the guilty party for paying so much money for something that allegedly happened 40 years ago.
I don't find anything disgusting in the case, actually. Hastert's sex offenses were, what? 30-35 years ago? The statute of limitations ran long ago. I don't care what people did 35 years ago. And the boy was a teen. When I was a teenage boy, I was perfectly capable of saying yes, or no, to sex, and if I didn't want to do something, to avoid doing it. It may have been statutory rape, but it was consensual - the boy is now a grown middle aged man, and he's shaking down an older man, and the older man is paying him off because of hypocrisy. Now do I find the Clinton case disgusting. He and an adult woman had sex. Big freakin' deal. I'm not God. God will handle the judgment for sin part. From the perspective of law enforcement, I want the law OUT OF PEOPLE'S BEDROOMS. And I'm generally opposed to sneaking and snooping. What was digesting was the witch hunt against Clinton, using prosecutorial power granted to explore financial corruption, and turning it into an investigation of consensual sex between adults, then setting up a perjury trap, springing it. All of that was abusive. What went over the line into insanity was IMPEACHING Clinton for perjury, for lying about consensual sex in a political perjury trap. The public, myself included, were opposed to that impeachment. It was offensive. It was a brutal overreach. And it showed an "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" that was unbelievably bad. But the cherry on the sundae was to then find out that all of the Republican leaders were THEMSELVES sexual perverts. So, perverts impeached a pervert against the will of the people. As far as your opinions about religion go, you're entitled to them, of course. Nobody's going to persuade you differently. There's a reason we're not political allies.
Pitino still had a career and long life ahead of him. Hastert has but a few years left and a legacy to protect. Why should he spend the last years of his life fighting this out in court even if he was not guilty of anything. Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time. This whole thing is nothing more than a shot across the bow of anyone thinking of seriously pursuing the Clinton Cash corruption. Remember that Hillary illgeally had FBI files in her possession for quite some time. Like Obama, the Clintons have the dirt on everyone that can do them serious harm and they showed that the will use it at will.
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Because you are a democrat. You turn off your values at times. Make excuses for liars. Make excuses for cheaters. You're falling. Hope you can get back up.
Still falling lower I see. Now you are bearing false witness.
If you say so. Color me skeptical of that assertion.
Liberator doesn't make excuses for piece of shit democrats. Like you've been doing.
OK, you are so colored.
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Legalistic little games. You Republicans set it up so well, so carefully. But the people don't buy legalistic bullshit. This isn't Germany, and it isn't the Soviet Union. Clinton was impeached for lying about sex. That was not a high crime or high misdemeanor. It was petty. It was petty and the people opposed it. But you Republican legalists blew off the will of the people, and all sense of proportion, and impeached… and it all blew up in your faces, as it should have. The impeachment never should have been brought. The people, including me, told you that. You did it anyway, believing in your little legalistic martinet arguments. But an impeachment is a POLITICAL trial, not a legal one. Anybody who could count could see how it would come out. And it did come out just as it had to, and as it should have. So, you had your little win with the impeachment, but then the defeats began. Defeated in the Senate. And then defeated by the American people in the very next election. For the first time in a century the party that held the White House GAINED seats in the mid-terms…of an impeached President. The people, ignored in the first instance, exacted punishment on the Republicans in the next election. And the gift has kept giving. Gingrich out, and his political career destroyed. He runs for President, and all that matters is his affairs. Vitter. Out. He had an affair. Clearly unqualified - by Republican standards. Then Larry Craig and his tawdry little mess. And now Hastert, head of the impeaching house, exposed as a pedophile all of these years later. Revenge: it's what's for dinner. Nobody is lining up to defend Republicans for their asshat move impeaching Clinton except for other Republicans - and you people are the minority and becoming ever more minoritarian. The reason you lost is that you did things like impeach Clinton instead of addressing the nation's economic, trade, immigration, labor, health care and security woes. You played low sexual politics, and did THAT as badly as W fought wars and ran the economy. A real tour de force. No wonder you guys are dying out. Older and older you get. Old, bitter, clinging to foolish arguments from a decade ago. Meanwhile, your leaders who led the charge all turn out to be pedophiles, fags and adulterers. Could you people be more blind?
Gingrich. Vitter. Craig. Hastert. McCain (ditched his faithful wife, adulterous, married the trophy). There's no false witness.
If you say so. Color me skeptical of that assertion. I assume that you have a family, perhaps including grandkids, and a reputation as a decent if not good guy in your social and professional circles. Hypotethectical: What would you do if a woman that you knew for 30-40 years ago, perhaps even an old girlfriend, came to you tomorrow and said you raped me 30 years ago when I was just 16 years old. Pay me $5,000 or I will go public to everyone you know and then some with this story. BTW, here are some pictures from 30 years ago with you with your arm around me.
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BS, especially for Democrats. It's that old ploy. The same behavior is not sexual harrassment if the girl likes the guy, it is when she doesn't.
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Of course I oppose the $10,000 reporting requirement. Doesn't matter: Hastert sought to remove a president from office for lying about a blowjpb, against the will of the people. Republicans set themselves up as the moral arbiters. And they lost. And they were themselves scumbags. And over time, one by one, the leadership has been exposed for their own immorality.
Exactly. Now, imagine he collects evidence of interstate blackmail and extortion -- e-mails, phone calls, etc. He secretly records any meetings. He pays nothing. Then he puts together a team of lawyers and PR people and goes to the FBI. The statute of limitations for sexual abuse has expired. Now it's he-said-she-said, but the "victim" has no credibility because of the blackmail. Hastert would "rise above these sordid accusations" by not commenting on them. Sure, people would whisper and gossip, but that's better than what's happening now.
He didn't just lie, he committed perjury and obstruction of justice. He got away with it because the Democrats and MSM spun the story away from the high crimes and misdemeamors into a BS narrative. And the ignorant American people bought the BS because they liked the Slickster. I ask you again, what were the impeachment charges being drawn up against Nixon? Who forced Nixon out of office, the Democrats or his own party?
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BS, BS, BS, Blah, blah, blah. You Republicans enacted Roe v Wade, and have never reversed it, and you have controlled the Supreme Court continuously since 1969. You had a Republican President, and Congress, and Supreme Court, and Governor of Florida, but "nothing could be done" while Terri Schiavo was tortured to death by thirst, at the command of some corn-pone local probate judge. You controlled Congress and the White House and the Courts, and yet the Borders stayed open, the economy fell apart, AND you blew the wars. But we're supposed to listen to you jokers and follow YOUR moral leadership…of adulterers, gay bathroom cruisers and pedophiles. My God you people are a joke. A sick joke. I don't belong on a site with you. This is not the place for me. Neither is DU - Democrats are babykillers. Signing off for good. Bye.
Dick Armey, Tom Delay, John Boehner, Jennifer Dunn, Tillie K. Fowler. Ditching your wife doesn't make you a pervert. It makes you a fornicator.
My wife would say she's less concerned about what I was accused of doing 30 years ago than paying some blackmailing bitch $5,000 of "family" money. There is no way of that happening. None. Not an option.
Bye. Take a weekend break or a week, but don't leave for good. No way.
More false witness. Is that a "deadly sin"? Republicans didn't enact Rove V Wade.
Republicans didn't enact Rove V Wade. Just because some were appointed by Republicans. Doesn't mean Republicans enacted Roe vs Wade. There were members of both parties. Blackman was Nixon's fourth choice. That doesn't mean Republicans expected him to make that evil decision. You are in my opinion adding more into what happened.
When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away.
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Spin. The standard isn't "high misdemeanor. It is just a plain old misdemeanor.
How did it blow up? Republicans won the next several elections.
Uh. Bush won the next election.
Donald "Buz" Lukens predated Clinton your hero. Clinton was revenge for that. Do you see your error yet?
Most Republicans want to close the border. That is just a fact.
My God you people are a joke. A sick joke. I don't belong on a site with you. This is not the place for me. Neither is DU - Democrats are babykillers. Signing off for good. Bye. Vicomte13 Now you are running away. Hope it wasn't my questions. I like you. You are just full of things that don't seem to add up to me. I guess I will never get the answers i asked now. I'll assume I was correct. I have to you didn't rebut. Live long and prosper.
What f*cking BS this is. The FBI will not do a damn thing about the tens, if not hundreds, of million of dollars in Clinton Cash that the Clintons illegally did not report but snap to and ever so diligently pursue Hastert for a $10,000 cash transaction which was automatically, legally reported. What f*cking BS this is when the Fed, especially the DoJ, dosen't do a damn thing about Lois Lerner and her missing emails or Hillary's purged emails but can find a few purported "racist" emails by Ferguson Police within a matter of days of looking. What a pure f*cking Democratic joke!!!!!
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Yep. And Hillary said that Willie's BJ in the Oval Office was a vast rightwing conspiracy. And Bill wagged his finger at us on national TV saying in an everso firm voice that he did not have sexual relations with that woman. But we all know better don't we?
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You fundies are all alike with your obsessions about sex. There is literal "humping",and there is figurative "humping". Simple - The Republicans, who were (legitimately) investigating financial impropriety in Clinton's Arkansas land deals (Whitewater), IOW,humping the country with greed,graft,and corrupting by abusing the powers of his office. veered off into a witch hunt about consensual sex. Not true. They were also after him for once again abusing the power of his office to intimidate women he had raped into not saying anything about it. The evidence was there for some of these charges,but the Dims and some prominent Republicans refused to even look at it. They went after the "blue dress" consensual sex because the evidence was made public and couldn't be hidden,and because that case was the basis for impeaching him for lying under oath. The consensual sex thing was nothing more than the tool used. They went after him for committing perjury,and convicted him of perjury and impeached him. It was the US Senate that refused to remove him from office,but congress did impeach him.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You are completely delusional about this. HTF could ANYBODY embarrass a sociopath like Bubba Bill? And once again,they went after him because he was the top law enforcement officer in the country,and he committed the felony of perjury and should have been removed from office.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
But they'll vote for a reconquista with an R. The Republican wing is crap, just like their Democrat counterparts. They stand for nothing, so they'll fall for anything. Hope that Vic's digital paper cut heals soon, and he comes back. Yeah, people are going to disagree with you sometimes. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, man! What happened to TooConservative, did he have a wimp-out attack too?
Did Sandusky go to prison? I hope so,and I hope Hassert goes to prison,also.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Good question. Nothing wrong with taking a break now and again.
I'm just guessing,but my best guess is because he is now a connected lobbyist in DC,and is raking in multi-millions each year. Or WAS a connected lobbist,anyhow. He was fired after this news came out.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Spot ON! The good news is that at least someone is being held accountable for child rape.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That's what I was thinking. Unless "the victim" stated he was going to the police and Hastert offered money to change his mind. But that's still blackmail, I think. Technically they can be charged,but not in reality because the government needs them to testify against Hassert,so you know there has been a deal made to drop any and all blackmail charges in exchange for testimony.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The (Country Club) Republicans.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You don't care about the purges and murders committed by the Nazi's,Soviets,and the ChiComs? Hey! It was just child rape,right? If we start taking that sort of thing seriously,priests won't be able to lead Cub Scout meetings.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
On Friday, Hastert resigned from the board of the J. Dennis Hastert Center for Economics, Government and Public Policy at his alma mater, Wheaton College, a small, evangelical Christian college in the Chicago suburbs. www.latimes.com/nation/la...nduct-20150529-story.html Man, the more I read the more stunning this news is about the longest serving Republican Speaker of the House. Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.
Sadly we get multiple reminders of this every day. Thoroughly corrupt from top to bottom,and there isn't a damn thing we can do to change it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
$3.5 mil? Damn! It'd have been cheaper to just make the guy disappear like the Clintons would have done.
Right. A $10K hitman would be a lot cheaper.
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Does this mean Pericles daddy isn't coming back?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away. Does this mean Pericles daddy isn't coming back? LOL. Nasty!
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Clinton was asked and he lied about a PRIVATE matter in questions that gentlemen should not ask in public of other men. You should have impeached Clinton for continuing the war in Yugoslavia AFTER congress refused to pass authorization. Ron Paul even sued the WH on that matter along with several Republicans and Democrats. Nixon was involved in breaking the law on PUBLIC MATTERS that deal with the running of the republic.
If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.
Is that why you vote for Leftists?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Is that why you vote for Leftists? You have no idea who I vote for. But I am glad I am no longer a Republican. Who would want to be in the same party with trash like you? But you are still a woman for talking behind a man's back. You are not worthy of being called a man.
Now if I was talking "to you" and would have said "Pericles, is your Daddy leaving for good or is he just having a hissy fit???" then I would have pinged you. But since I was just talking "about you" I didn't see the need. Now if you have a problem with that then you might want to take it up with someone who actually gives a schitt! Which means that you would have to go elsewhere to have that discussion. Entender la perra?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Boy you Leftists have no manners whatsoever, oh wait I know what it is... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You are talking about me behind my back and bringing in parents and you do not have the balls to do so directly to the person you are talking about. What kind of man or Christian are you? Neither is the correct answer. You are just trash. And you know you are. The problem with the modern conservatives is they brought in toe picking, ill mannered, uneducated trash like you into the party.
I said, in that scenario, my wife would advise me not to pay.
Grow up...
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Of course it is. You can tell by all the manufactured civil unrest and foreign wars.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
F*ck you, you lying scumbag. Look at #100. And I didn't even mention you but had the courtesy to include you in my response BECAUSE you were mentioned by another. You are a total sh*tbag.
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You are a total moron. Clinton committed the crime of obstruction of justice while as a sitting President. Further he abused the power of his office to get Monica to blow him. He also used the public's Oval House to get his jollies off all over Monica. Then he utilized his office to agin access to public TV airways to lie to the nation about what he did. You also are an ignorant total moron. The first impeachment charge agianst Nixon was......wait for it.........Obstruction of Justice.........that's right, dickhead, the same as for Clinton. The second charge was Abuse of Power, something that everyone knows Clinton was guilty of to get his dick in Monica's mouth, his subordinate. The third charge against Nixon was Defiance of Subpeona for ignoring a subpeona for a duly lawful and authorized entity, something that Obama did while a sitting President. You asswipe liberal sh*ts are corrupt to the core, the most hypocritical turds ever.
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F*ck you, you lying scumbag. Look at #100. And I didn't even mention you but had the courtesy to include you in my response BECAUSE you were mentioned by another. You are a total sh*tbag. You are too stupid to realize I pinged all who were in the original - as is protocol.
Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. He was acquitted by the senate. So therefore Clinton DID NOT commit the crimes in question. The Clinton accusations arose from questioning a married man about his extra-marital affair. No one's business. Are you peeping toms? Nixon's alleged crimes were over election and vote manipulations. That is everyone's business.
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more. Dissenting justices: 1D, 1R White (D) filed a dissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist joined.
Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more. Burger (D) Marshall (D) Powell (D) Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion. Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion. Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion. Dissenting justices: 1D, 1R White (D) filed a dissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist joined. Rehnquist (R) filed a dissenting opinion. False witness or you just don't remember? Because you spouted this so many times.
Perhaps there was evidence he could not make disappear.
So you also act as the self appointed Internet protocol meister to go along with your other duties as wanna be (how gauche) Internet tough guy, you sure stay busy for someone on the dole Godwinson!!
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
It's common curtesy, like not picking your toes in public, Jethro.
Stone, you did not do your research. You called me out as a liar, but you're wrong. You listed a whole bunch of Republican appointees as Democrats. Now hear the truth: Here is the makeup up the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court, with the names and political affiliations of the Presidents who appointed them: Majority Opinion: (5 Republican and 2 Democrat Appointees) Harry A. Blackmun (Nixon - Republican) William J. Brennan (Eisenhower - Republican) Lewis F. Powell Jr. (Nixon - Republican) Thurgood Marshall (LBJ - Democrat) Warren Burger, (Nixon - Republican) William Orville Douglas, (FDR - Democrat) Potter Stewart (Eisenhower - Republican) Dissenting (one Republican and one Democrat appointee): William H. Rehnquist, (Nixon - Republican) Byron White (Kennedy - Democrat) Six Republican appointees. Three Democrats - and one of the Democrats was in dissent. The Republican Party gave us Roe v. Wade, just like I said. Roe wasn't the only abortion opinion. Casey was also an abortion opinion, which extended Roe. The Casey Court was a Republican court, and included two Reagan appointees who voted for it. The Republican Party OWNS Roe. They owned the Supreme Court that decided it. They owned the Supreme Court that expanded it. And they have owned the Supreme Court every day since Roe was decided. Republicans have ALWAYS HAD THE POWER to strike down that decision since the day that they wrote Roe. The entire Supreme Court has been replaced since then, mostly by Republicans, and yet Roe stands. Democrats always impose a litmus test on THEIR judges, but Republicans, INCLUDING REAGAN, run as "pro-life" but then APPOINT pro-choice justice after pro-choice justice: O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter...Harriet Miers, had she not been blocked. It's just like the Mexican Border. Sure, they TALK an endless game of pro- life and immigration control, to get your vote. But they dupe you every time, and then screw you when they get power. They've been doing it for 40 years, and they'll keep doing it. I'm telling you the truth, but you're so partisan, you treat ME as an enemy for pointing out the truth. You've been HAD by the Republicans, and if you looked with clear and open eyes, you would see it. Instead, you act like an abused woman who defends her abuser and hisses at people who tells her to open her eyes. You have been DUPED by Republican leaders, including Reagan, who were NEVER pro-life, except to get your vote (Reagan signed California's abortion law and put two pro-aborts on the Supreme Court), and who were ALWAYS open- border types (Reagan gave the amnesty, and the Bushes kept the Borders wide open). On issue after issue they lie to you, yet like an abused woman you return to them loyally and hiss and strike at anybody who tells you the truth. For my part, I'm just sick of it. I did see your post, and decided to reply by rounding on you and hitting you right in the face, calling you directly out for bullshit, and providing the facts. If you're smart, you'll LEARN from this and SEE that you are, in fact, a partisan DUPE. You really believe that the Democrats are the root of all evil, to the point that you just made up these affiliations - the Presidents who appointed the justices are a matter of public record. You didn't care. You were so hard over to assert that I was lying that you went ahead and posted a heap of steaming bullshit, to prove a point. And you were wrong on the facts. A Supreme Court full of REPUBLICAN APPOINTEES gave you Roe, and another one full of REPUBLICAN APPOINTEES gave you Casey. And even though you've just been corrected and taught the reality that you could have known, but chose not to, you're not going to learn a goddamned thing. You'll remain a stubborn Republican, believing your fantasies and flinging poop at anybody who touches a nerve. Well, I told you the truth, and have all along. And like Democrats, you blind Republicans simply will not listen to the truth. You prefer to make up your own facts. I looked back at this site to answer somebody's e-mail and saw your post. And decided that I would not leave with you having accused me of lies. So I re-established the truth, one last time, the same truth I said all along. I won't see what you write back. I'm never logging onto this site again. You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field.
Is this list inaccurate? Opinion of the Court 7-2; 5D, 2R Blackmun (R) delivered the Opinion of the court joined by 6 more. Burger (D) Marshall (D) Powell (D) Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion. Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion. Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion.
I also left the possibility that you were mistaken. Sorry for the words I chose.
On the facts. Chan provided a list for roe vs wads. You just said they were mostly Republicans. Can you provide a list to refute the one chan posted?
You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field. You also said all the Republican leadership was perverts. That was not true. I'll take it that you just don't remember correctly. Take care.
You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right.
He sounds like you.
Yep.
Well, I'm sorry he left in such a huff. I suggested he take a break and come back refreshed and not heated like he apparently is today. He was one of the most thoughtful posters here on this site. I'm sorry he departed and would like to see him return one day. You ran war off too. Oh, well.
I did not provide a list based on the party affiliation of the appointing president. My list is based on the party affiliation of the justices, as indicated in Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, page 1654, for the court of 1972-1975.
I inadvertently listed Justice Burger as (D) in error. He was (R) and was so listed in Black's Law Dictionary. The Court contained 6 nominees by Republican presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. It contained 3 nominees by Democrat presidents FDR, JFK, and LBJ. Justice Powell was a Democrat nominated by Republican Nixon. Justice Brennan was a Democrat nominated by Republican Eisenhower. The Court contained 5 Democrat justices and 4 Republican justices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackmun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_E._Burger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgood_Marshall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell,_Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O._Douglas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan,_Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_Stewart
#2. To: Vicomte13, cranky, All (#1)
As you measure out, so shall you be measured.
#3. To: cranky (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: SOSO, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: cranko, cranky (#3)
#6. To: SOSO (#2)
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
The answer is simple; leave private sexual matters private.
#8. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
I believe that the strategic term for this is Mutually Assured Destruction…but with a difference. The liberal side is tolerant, so they won't actually destroy a person for sexual peccadilloes,
#9. To: SOSO (#7)
What has just happened to Hastert is clearly a Democrat action to warn everyone to layoff the Clintons over their Foundation and Hillary's abuse of power will Sec. of State - as well as all of the other abuses of power by both of them.
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)
#11. To: SOSO (#7)
#12. To: SOSO (#8)
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
They ginned up an investigation, and then they ginned up an IMPEACHMENT, to remove a sitting President, for lying about a consensual blow job.
#14. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
Hastert molested a minor boy, or sodomized him, and it was severe enough for him to pay millions in hush money. That's far worse than committing perjury to thwart a Republican witch hunt over a blow job, or abusing privilege. It's orders of magnitude worse.
#16. To: Fred Mertz, vicomte13 (#9)
#17. To: cranky (#0)
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
He was part of the crew that sought to hang Clinton high for lying about a blowjob.
#19. To: cranko (#3)
(Edited)
Of course, what else other than molesting underage school kids would be worth millions of dollars to cover up?
#20. To: hondo68 (#4)
The GOP is trying to out-gay the Clinton's. They may need to bring in Mitt to help boost the queerness.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
Barney Frank didn't hide who he was.
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
Hastert molested a minor boy, or sodomized him, and it was severe enough for him to pay millions in hush money. That's far worse than committing perjury to thwart a Republican witch hunt over a blow job, or abusing privilege. It's orders of magnitude worse.
#23. To: hondo68 (#4)
The GOP is trying to out-gay the Clinton's. They may need to bring in Mitt to help boost the queerness.
#24. To: SOSO (#16)
And on the heels of the revelations about Clinton Cash and the timing og Hillary's announcement to run?
#25. To: Vicomte13, SOSO (#12)
And then comes the reckoning. The revenge. Republican politicians who have no sexual sins have nothing to fear, right? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. Oh, but they DO have something to hide.
#26. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#22)
No,it's not. How can you compare humping one teenage boy to humping the whole country
#27. To: Pericles (#26)
Pete, did you dream of Clinton humping you again? What humping did he do to THE WHOLE COUNTRY?
#28. To: cranky (#0)
Law enforcement says Dennis Hastert hush-money scandal is about sexual misconduct with a male during his years as a high school wrestling coach
#29. To: cranky (#0)
(Edited)
#30. To: All (#29)
(Edited)
#31. To: sneakypete (#22)
How can you compare humping one teenage boy to humping the whole country,and come out with the decision that a private citizen (at the time) was guilty of a greater crime than the top law enforcement officer in the country,the President,abusing his power and the power of his office to sexually molest dozens of young women and committing perjury and make threats to cover it up?
#32. To: sneakypete (#21)
#33. To: SOSO (#16)
Neither of you find the timing of this strange.
#34. To: SOSO (#15)
#35. To: SOSO (#13)
And if it were anyone but Slick Willie, especially a Republican, the Democrats and their political devotees such as Feminist and the MSM, would have screamed that this was clearly sexual harassment by a person in a direct position of power over a subordinate.
#36. To: cranky (#0)
Former U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert's hush-money scandal stems from sexual misconduct he committed during the years he was a high school wrestling coach, according to law enforcement sources.
#37. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
He [Hastert] was part of the crew that sought to hang Clinton high for lying about a blowjob.
#38. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
Simple - Clinton did not "hump the whole country"
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
Sex lives are off limits.
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
The answer is simple; leave private sexual matters private.
#41. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
they IMPEACHED him, provoking a Constitutional crisis.
#42. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
Hastert was Speaker who went after Clinton and impeached him over a ginned up charge. The Republicans tried to strike at the king based on bullshit, and they lost.
#43. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#44. To: Vicomte13 (#35)
But DO NOT IMPEACH A SITTING PRESIDENT for lying about consensual sex when the American public tells you not to.
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#32)
(Edited)
And the people of his district ignored Frank's sexual proclivities because they did not matter,
#46. To: SOSO (#16)
"The alleged action happened decades ago yet the demand for money by the alleged victim only recently?"
#47. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
"They IMPEACHED Clinton over a blowjob."
#48. To: Jameson (#36)
If the "sexual misconduct" involved a child, I would hope that the GOP's 'Mr Speaker" is treated just like Jerry Sandusky.
Sec. 13-202.2. Childhood sexual abuse.
#49. To: misterwhite (#48)
#50. To: Vicomte13, pewricles, sneakypete, All (#33)
The moral is: leave people's private sex lives alone, or sooner or later you will be held accountable for your own.
#51. To: misterwhite, All (#46)
The alleged action happened decades ago yet the demand for money by the alleged victim only recently?"
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
"Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?"
#53. To: Pericles, vicomte13, pericles, sneakpete, All (#25)
#54. To: misterwhite (#52)
#55. To: Liberator (#37)
#56. To: Fred Mertz, misterwhite, All (#54)
We had a local high profile case a number of years ago (coach Rick Pitino) - an old girlfriend tried to blackmail/extort money from him. He went to the FBI and she's the one that ended up behind bars.
#57. To: Vicomte13 (#55)
The public, myself included, were opposed to that impeachment
#58. To: Vicomte13 (#55)
But the cherry on the sundae was to then find out that all of the Republican leaders were THEMSELVES sexual perverts
#59. To: SOSO (#56)
Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time.
#60. To: Vicomte13 (#55)
There's a reason we're not political allies
#61. To: Fred Mertz (#59)
Color me skeptical of that assertion.
#62. To: misterwhite (#47)
Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors based on perjury and obstruction of justice. Nothing in the Articles of Impeachment about blowjobs.
#63. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Now you are bearing false witness.
#64. To: Fred Mertz (#59)
Innocent people pay blackmail or extortion money all the time.
#65. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#62)
But the people don't buy legalistic bullshit.
#66. To: misterwhite (#43)
You're not going to defend Hastert and rail against the $10,000 reporting requirement?
#67. To: Fred Mertz (#54)
"Hastert obviously looks like the guilty party for paying so much money for something that allegedly happened 40 years ago."
#68. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite, All (#66)
Hastert sought to remove a president from office for lying about a blowjpb, against the will of the people.
#69. To: SOSO (#65)
#70. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
#71. To: SOSO (#64)
"Pay me $5,000 or I will go public to everyone you know and then some with this story."
#72. To: Vicomte13 (#69)
Signing off for good.
#73. To: Vicomte13 (#69)
You Republicans enacted Roe v Wade, and have never reversed it, and you have controlled the Supreme Court continuously since 1969.
#74. To: All (#73)
More false witness. Is that a "deadly sin"?
#75. To: Vicomte13 (#69)
#76. To: Vicomte13 (#62)
That was not a high crime or high misdemeanor.
#77. To: Vicomte13 (#62)
But you Republican legalists blew off the will of the people, and all sense of proportion, and impeached… and it all blew up in your faces, as it should have.
#78. To: Vicomte13 (#62)
And then defeated by the American people in the very next election.
#79. To: Vicomte13 (#62)
Revenge: it's what's for dinner.
#80. To: Vicomte13 (#69)
You controlled Congress and the White House and the Courts, and yet the Borders stayed open, the economy fell apart, AND you blew the wars.
#81. To: Vicomte13 (#69)
But we're supposed to listen to you jokers and follow YOUR moral leadership…of adulterers, gay bathroom cruisers and pedophiles.
#82. To: misterwhite, vicomte13, fred mertz, All (#67)
Sure, people would whisper and gossip, but that's better than what's happening now.
#83. To: misterwhite (#71)
My wife would say she's less concerned about what I was accused of doing 30 years ago than paying some blackmailing bitch $5,000 of "family" money.
#84. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
Simple - Clinton did not "hump the whole country". Clinton had consensual sex with an adult. The Republicans, who were (legitimately) investigating financial impropriety in Clinton's Arkansas land deals (Whitewater), veered off into a witch hunt about consensual sex.
#85. To: Vicomte13 (#32)
The REPUBLICANS refused to ignore Clinton's, and went after him for it, set up a perjury trap, sprung it, and then didn't have the good sense to simply use it to embarrass him.
#86. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13, Fred Mertz, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#80)
(Edited)
Most Republicans want to close the border.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#87. To: Jameson (#36)
If the "sexual misconduct" involved a child, I would hope that the GOP's 'Mr Speaker" is treated just like Jerry Sandusky.
#88. To: hondo68, TooConservative (#86)
(Edited)
What happened to TooConservative, did he have a wimp out attack too?
#89. To: misterwhite (#46)
It is odd. I mean, Hastert's out of office. Why blackmail him now?
#90. To: SOSO (#50)
The moral is: Leave Clinton' financial corruptions and abuse of power alone or sooner or later they will make sure that you are accountale for your own as the Democrats continue to give them shelter and enable more of the same.
#91. To: misterwhite, Fred Mertz (#52)
"Just out of curiosity, can the alleged victim be charged with blackmail or extortion or something like that?"
#92. To: SOSO (#53)
Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?
#93. To: Vicomte13 (#55)
I don't care what people did 35 years ago.
#94. To: sneakypete (#91)
Illinois legislators put on hold a proposal to spend $500,000 to put a statue in the state Capitol honoring Hastert. He had declined the offer about a month ago, a spokesman for state House Speaker Michael Madigan said.
#95. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.
#96. To: nolu chan (#5)
#97. To: Logsplitter (#96)
#98. To: misterwhite (#71)
(Edited)
#99. To: SOSO, Liberator, A K A Stone (#75)
When faced with the facts the wicked usually run away.
#100. To: CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone, Pericles (#99)
#101. To: SOSO, vicomte13, pericles, sneakpete (#53)
Tell what were the impeachment charges being leveled at Nixon? How do those charges stack againt Clinton committing perjury and obstructing justice? Who forced Nixon out ot office, the Democrats or Republicans?
#102. To: CZ82, SOSO, Liberator, A K A Stone (#99)
#103. To: Pericles (#102)
coward
#104. To: CZ82 (#103)
(Edited)
coward
#105. To: Pericles (#102)
#106. To: Pericles (#104)
Who would want to be in the same party with trash like you?
#107. To: CZ82 (#105)
(Edited)
#108. To: ebonytwix (#98)
#109. To: Pericles (#107)
#110. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
Just goes to show the One Party System is alive and corrupt.
#111. To: Pericles, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone (#102)
If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.
#112. To: Pericles, vicomte13, sneakpete (#101)
Clinton was asked and he lied about a PRIVATE matter in questions that gentlemen should not ask in public of other men.
#113. To: SOSO, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone (#111)
Pericles, CZ82, Liberator, A K A Stone If you will mention my name ping me, cowards. You low rent trash types are always cowards.
#114. To: SOSO (#112)
(Edited)
linton committed the crime of obstruction of justice while as a sitting President.
#115. To: A K A Stone (#74)
Just because some were appointed by Republicans. Doesn't mean Republicans enacted Roe vs Wade. There were members of both parties. Blackman was Nixon's fourth choice. That doesn't mean Republicans expected him to make that evil decision.
Burger (D)
Marshall (D)
Powell (D)
Douglas (D) filed a concurring opinion.
Brennan (D) filed a concurring opinion.
Stewart (R) filed a concurring opinion.
Rehnquist (R) filed a dissenting opinion.
#116. To: nolu chan, Vicomte13 (#115)
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)
#117. To: Logsplitter (#96)
$3.5 mil? Damn! It'd have been cheaper to just make the guy disappear like the Clintons would have done.
#118. To: Pericles (#113)
(Edited)
as is protocol.
#119. To: CZ82 (#118)
(Edited)
#120. To: A K A Stone (#116)
#121. To: Vicomte13 (#120)
#122. To: Vicomte13 (#120)
. You called me out as a liar, but you're wrong.
#123. To: Vicomte13, nolu chan (#120)
For my part, I'm just sick of it. I did see your post, and decided to reply by rounding on you and hitting you right in the face, calling you directly out for bullshit, and providing the facts.
#124. To: Vicomte13 (#120)
I won't see what you write back. I'm never logging onto this site again.
#125. To: Vicomte13 (#120)
You may now dance on my grave. I leave you in possession of the field.
#126. To: A K A Stone (#125)
You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right.
#127. To: Fred Mertz (#126)
You act like you are the smartest person here and you are always right. He sounds like you.
#128. To: A K A Stone (#127)
#129. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#123)
On the facts. Chan provided a list for roe vs wads. You just said they were mostly Republicans. Can you provide a list to refute the one chan posted?
#130. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#123)
(R) Eisenhower
(R) Nixon
(D) LBJ
(D) Nixon
(D) FDR
(D) Eisenhower
(R) Eisenhower
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